Did I say on the wall? Sorry… I meant on the pad!
Yes, I went out yesterday to buy myself a snazzy notebook holder and I came across this little beaut by ‘Wenger‘…
Wenger Notepad holder... luxury defined.
Unlike the human, no expense was spared with it’s leather upholstered exterior and roomy yet practical interior. Since buying a Wenger, I’ve already doubled my ouput… which in fairness isn’t much more than switching my laptop on… but an improvement all the same!
Onto things of a more contractual nature…
It appears Arsenal are up to their usual tricks PR wise… Don’t sign any players, then the day after deadline day… ease all the fans worries by securing two marmite players down to long term, more expensive contracts. I really think Arsenal should wait before they do that if they are going to starve the fans of new players… because now, instead of everyone being rather accepting of Denilson and Nik here for another 5 years… they’re all spitting feathers that we’ve spent the £29million on new contracts.
This is a situation I kind of sympathise with Wenger over… he is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t… and it all comes down to players making a flump (Flamini like jump)…
Nik B has worked his Danish nuts off over the last year to integrate himself with the team, ingratiate himself with the fans… and improve his game. He’s had an amazing turnaround in all aspects of his game, bar composure in front of goal… which even he admitted was a bit Sunday league. For me… the big man deserves another contract because he is the youth most in danger of exploding this year and making the flump we’re all hoping for. Nik was in the last year of his contract… if he had 17 goals by Christmas and he started talking to rival clubs, Wenger would have been a marked man… so I can roll with that extension (especially if as many major clubs were interested in his as his Dad reckons *snigger).
Denilson however… is a bit of a mystery. I appreciate that we’ve come so far with him now, he’s seems like he’s part of the furniture. I don’t really know what he offers bar a solidish player who can play across the midfield. He isn’t particularly bad at anything, but at the same time… you couldn’t say he really excelled at anything. He’s not particularly mobile, he’s not very creative and he’s not overly hard in the tackle. What he does do is provide neat passing in the main, he reads the game quite well and he’ll do an average job wherever you put him in the middle.
What gets my goat is Arsenal refused to offer Edu what he wanted a few years ago when he was looking to renew his contract, and we lost him on a free. He wasn’t everyone’s favourite, but he worked hard at his game and he was a very silky midfielder by the time the last year of his contract was up… and a Brazil international. A few year later, Flamini had just performed wonders as the 8th choice right back in the Champions league… started showing signs of becoming a top player… and the only thanks he got was the opportunity to sign for Birmingham. The next year, we quibbled over 10k… and now he is plying his trade in Milan.
If you are going to go to the nth degree to sign the average players down to long term deals, I hope going forward you do the same for the great players. If we have to renew Arshavins contract next summer after he storms the league this year… I don’t want to hear we let him go because a rival team was prepared to offer him £20k more a week than we were… and with our ridiculous wage bill, I don’t want to hear that we can’t compete on the wage side of things… if that’s the case, we should start cutting down the contracts of our kids in favour of giving that money to the people who bring in the pound notes… the experienced players.
I generally thought that in the business world, if you worked for a smaller company when you were young… you might get more responsibility early on… but the pay wouldn’t match the multi-nationals… that’s the price you paid to improve your CV. Why is that reversed for Arsenal? We sacrifice success at the cost of premium youth contracts… surely that has to be addressed over the next few years…
Right, contract rant over. I’m pleased for Denilson and Thomas B… I’d just like to see the same respect apportioned to everyone.
Finally, you may have heard that Stan Collymore was allegedly a touch racist about French people and Arsenal… if you agree, complain here… not that I’d want to see an esteemed dogger and lady beater get into trouble of course…
There’s also been a lot of coverage over the sick chanting at Old Trafford again… this was a very interesting piece by the Online Gooner here… and it’s good to see that the issue, after much blog coverage is finally getting some mainstream attention (Guardian). If you can prosecute Spurs fans for abuse, why not Manc fans… they might be above the law with refs, but they shouldn’t be with the Police.
Plenty to talk about today, happy Thursday Grovers!
Le Grove is now smart phone compatible!
Pedro
Geoff
September 3, 2009 at 09:02
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September 3, 2009 at 09:02
Ohhhhh yes!
September 3, 2009 at 09:02
CL Hatrick?
September 3, 2009 at 09:03
Jersey stop hogging the podium
September 3, 2009 at 09:03
Yo
September 3, 2009 at 09:03
morning grovers
September 3, 2009 at 09:05
er top ten then, (bloody browser)
September 3, 2009 at 09:08
Gutten morgen Grovers!
September 3, 2009 at 09:09
morning y’all, long time no see
September 3, 2009 at 09:11
Best ever – has taig ever had a “bergkamp”
Good post by the way Pedro. Hows the old man? i like nik (if only for the goals against Spurs and am glad he has a new deal in place. Denilson mmm the jury is still out and i’m not sure thats a good thing after 3 years!
September 3, 2009 at 09:13
Cheers Jersey, he’s ok… I think he’s away on business at the moment!
You getting over to the gooners much this year?
September 3, 2009 at 09:13
Agree with that.
I understand the new deal for Nic, I think he has deserved it. His honesty to come out and say his performances were not up to scratch and his effort to put that right have been rightly rewarded.
Denilson though, I don’t get. He must be pinching himself. Not only did his rise from youth prospect to first team regular happen with no real effort on his part. A whole season of average to below average performances have given him a new contract.
Why does he need to try harder when these things just come to you without effort.
Well Denilson the pressure is on you now, We know you have a new deal, so start delivering.
September 3, 2009 at 09:14
What sort of figures are we talking about with Nik & Den though. Bendies contract was rumoured at 50k, which is no where near the kind of deals household names are on
September 3, 2009 at 09:16
Club trip planned for Feb? about 30 of us coming over. i shall let you know. iwant to do an away cl game as well but don’t really fancy any of this group stage destinations maybe Madrid in the semi’s
September 3, 2009 at 09:18
Morning all,
Anyone else see that Cashley’s up to £120k a week. I’d take Cheryl over the cash though anyday!
September 3, 2009 at 09:21
Denilson reminds me of dunga, even the situation with him, where Dunga was blamed for any slip up Brazil had in the early nineties and vilified by Brazilians for not having the flair of Romario or Bebeto 94 he was a WC winning captain.
September 3, 2009 at 09:21
Herbert, Rosicky is rumoured to be on £40k a week… so I doubt Nik would be on £50k… mind you, I wouldn’t like to hazard a guess!
Jersey, let us know when you’re over and we’ll meet for a beer again!
Chipo… I would take Cheryl… but apparently she’s not a fan of white guys, or so I’ve heard her say in interviews! I’ll stick with the ginger one… apparently game for anything that will talk to her! haha!
September 3, 2009 at 09:22
Hello ALL
Hello ALL
September 3, 2009 at 09:22
Morning all, one of your more alternative posts there Pedro and all the better for it. I sincerely hope something is done to Mank fans for the chants which are a good deal worse than the Sol Campbell ones that the Spuds got prosecuted for. The reason I say this is that whenever you accuse/chant “Paedo” at someone purely to goad an opposition manager you demean the level of suffering that children have endured at the hands of actual Paedos and thereby trivialise the seriousness of the offence. In fact to chant “Paedo” repeatedly says a lot more about the mob chanting it than the undeserved recipient of the abuse.
It will be harder to prosecute the Manks though as they will get a degree of preferential treatment not afforded to the Spud fans but that doesn’t mean that it is an objective any less worthy.
Finally I am a bit annoyed that we are so accommodating to ole 65% proof nose – did anyone see him in the executive box against the Bhoys on a reconnaissance mission 3 days before they played us? Why do we help the opposition like that?
We should have made him sit in the middle of the red action section. But then I’ve never seen Wenger at Old Toilet on a spying mission as I’m guessing the Mank staff, acting on orders from ole 65% proof nose, don’t allow him a seat in the posh seats.
September 3, 2009 at 09:22
It’s never nice to loose to Spurs, know why?
From everyone’s favourite rotund king of the last minute deflection, Frank Lampard apparently said Chelsea TV: “It’s never nice to lose to Spurs cos they make DVDs of it for the next 10 years…” Well done FF.
http://www.arsenalshorts.com/2009/sept09/20090903.html
September 3, 2009 at 09:25
Will do Pedro – at least i’ll be able to have a proper drink this time!
Chary agree re SAF but it shows he was worried!
September 3, 2009 at 09:27
Morning Grovers, and a nice post Pedro, I particularly like the ‘Flump’. Pat yourself on the back for that one.
September 3, 2009 at 09:28
Just sent this to Stan the Man!
“You’re employed for your opinions, fair enough. You clearly want to be considered as an intelligent, articulate commentator. However, recently your opinions have come across as prejudiced and xenophobic (your recent outpourings on Arsenal). I would suggest you might want to consider whether your future career will be hamstrung by alienating a significant proportion of your listeners. Those who agree with your views, in my opinion are either myopic or racist – not a group of people that you should be particularly pleased to be a champion of.”
Seems to be contracts are there to keep the players happy and to make sure we get decent money for them. Bendtner, in particular, would go for a fair bit in the middle of a contract. I’m sure we would be spitting feathers if they went for nothing.
Come on you Reds!
September 3, 2009 at 09:28
wow
September 20 – Super Sunday
Chelsea vs Tottenham
Manu vs Manc
September 3, 2009 at 09:29
haha, nice one Bob.
September 3, 2009 at 09:39
Blogus Fartus ?
September 3, 2009 at 09:40
Indeedus!
I’m off outus!
Have a good one!
September 3, 2009 at 09:42
Bob N7
A fine piece of writing, but can i suggest a different approach;
“Stan you fucking dogging woman beater…cunty dogger boy”
September 3, 2009 at 09:42
It’s this dam interlull !
September 3, 2009 at 09:44
Morning
I like both Bendy and Denilson. Some of the guys are saying Bendtner deserves it but Denilson, maybe not, and that he’s the one under pressure and needs to prove himself. Why? Bendy’s the striker and should be scoring the goals, and he admitted himself he’s not finishing. Why do you think it’s Denilson under pressure?
September 3, 2009 at 09:45
By the way that Wenger Swiss knife is pretty impressive, does it also come with a microwave??
September 3, 2009 at 09:46
bnsb
september 12
Man shitty vs Arsenal
Manu ve spurs
how about that
September 3, 2009 at 09:47
Complain to Amazon about them selling the disgusting chant. I complained and they sent me some rubbish about not censoring artists blah blah so I sent them this:
September 3, 2009 at 09:50
I think we should rally behind the team and support all our players. Bendtner and Denilson will improve greatly ……i fear for Senderos( He might improve and be better than Flamini and then leave on a FREE )
September 3, 2009 at 09:53
Gunnersmith,
Its six day week in this part of the world (:
September 3, 2009 at 09:54
Hi Guys,
I have been questioning the level of wages we were paying as a club.
However by selling Ade and Kolo, I would reckon we are taking 150k a week of our total bill.
Thomas V is probably on 40k
RVP, Walcott, Ramsey, Denilson, Nik B and Wilshire have all got new contracts.
So that is 6 players to share out 110k a week
If everyone got an extra 20k a week, and Wilshire an extra 10K then we are in the same situation.
However we have lost a lot of youth players so I am hoping the total wages bill for the coming season would actually drop.
September 3, 2009 at 09:55
we should be able to afford some new deals for these guys ..
i mean ade gone on 110k a week we can give every player a pay rise , and im sure the verminator isnt on toure’s money either so its not really going to affect any of that 29 mil ..
that was cream , still is cream ..
if anything losing 2 players and getting one
would only reduce the wage budget , even with the 2 new contracts ..
but sorry that doesnt make up for not spending the 29 mil on much needed players ..
good smoke screen as half the fans will accept now the money is somehow spent .. and move on ..
sorry it doesnt wash with me ..
id like this squad to whip some M-F’ing ass this season ..
not stay status quo ..
September 3, 2009 at 09:56
GS,
..and it would be really great if Spurs win both matches. DVDs for next quarter of a century!
September 3, 2009 at 09:59
Morning People
Does anyone know what was said by stan collymore?
September 3, 2009 at 10:01
Morning,
Sorry to say but I like the chants, I don’t care how sick they are…It feels like we are being hypocrites by attacking the Wenger chant. I myself many times shouted from the terraces abuse aimed at A.Cole, the Spurs being Yids and many many songs that were clearly abusive to the opposition.
ManUre get the Munich chant a lot. All this censorship is bullshit to be honest. In the old days you could stand and chant whatever you wanted. When the Yids got prosecuted for abuse at Sol, I was very disappointed.
It is football, and it makes it fun, even if the chants aimed at Arsene and Arsenal piss me the fuck off…but then you come up with something witty to respond with.
I feel like we are being UEFA here, banning Eddie but closing a blind eye on others. In that respect we want ManUre to be punished for their chant, but the same people have no problem with chanting “We’ll be running ’round Tottenham”.
Don’t get me wrong, the chant sickens me, but I would also like the option of free speech.
September 3, 2009 at 10:01
So will Sendy play as a the defensish 3rd midfielder in the 4-3-3 like preseason? He must be desperate for playing time, wonder if Wenger will give me a run out in the kiddie cup? I actually trust him more in that role since the missed tackle or u-turn of a the QEII might be as costly. I like the fellow, I really do, but the pace of the EPL does not seem to suit, not against the top 4 for sure atleast.
September 3, 2009 at 10:02
Simon
It is a personal opinion. I know Nic is not scoring at the moment, but when I watch Arsenal play, the one player that stands out to me at the moment as being out of his depth is Denilson.
It is also about development, I can see improvement in Nic all the time, but Denilson just seems to be…..well Denilson, he has not improved that much.
I am not writing him off at all, he is only 21 and maybe this is the year that he will start to show what Wenger sees in him, and I really hope he does.
I just feel that 1st team places and new contracts are a little too easy to get at Arsenal at the moment, and whilst it is not everyone, I do think that some have not done enough to deserve them.
September 3, 2009 at 10:02
*might not be
September 3, 2009 at 10:07
ethan – great minds think a like
September 3, 2009 at 10:07
Just sent my protests to amazon.co.uk – Suggest you all do the same! I’m taking my purchases elsewhere until they remove that filth.
Good post, by the way! I think Nik and Denilson both deserve their contracts – losing them for free next year (at least Nik’s contract had only a year left) would have been disastrous!
Also think that you should post a link to Uefa where we can send “valuable information” regarding diving players, obviously they are going to need some help since I haven’t heard anything about Ashley Young being charged for diving…
September 3, 2009 at 10:08
Duke-I think you are confused on the debate of free speech vs. slander. I can understand the common belief that it is everyones right to say whatever then want whenever they want but please keep in mind that slander is an untruthful oral/spoken statement about a person that harm’s the person’s reputation or standing in the community. If you belive calling the manager a paedo does no harm whatsoever to his reputation then so be it, but personally I feel it does and is harmful in characterising him in such a light.
September 3, 2009 at 10:08
Duke, the chant sickens me as well, but I suppose the person who should complain if he finds it offensive is Arsene Wenger, and I dont recall him even saying anything about it.
I dont agree that the likes of Amazon should sell it, but in the stadium, how do you stop thousands and thousands of supporters singing a song. You can only encourage them not to.
Thing with both the Wenger and the Munich song is that I honestly don’t believe that Man Ure fans think that Wenger is Paedo, in fact as football fans, they probably quite admire what Wenger has done at Arsenal by bringing the youth through. Likewise I very much doubt that any fan took pleasure in the Munich Air Disaster.
So yeah, I agree with you, Personally I think the chant is crude and it does sicken me when I hear it, but I think the Munich one is worse.
September 3, 2009 at 10:09
Duke…..think you made a good few points there mate.
I’m not so sure bout the wenger chant tho…..i think when that word is mentioned, people should stand up and take immediate notice cause it involves children….. I think you can dilute the meaning of a word by over using it. Maybe i’m being biaise towards Arsenal but, i’d never sing that song bout another manager…..its wrong!
As for the running round tottenham song….that is great cause it targets their fans…….and most spouds I know, are not Jewish but still call them selves yids……..
September 3, 2009 at 10:10
Stupidly I looked at the Republik of Manchuria site and one of the comments there suggests they believe Wenger is a paedo.
Classy eh ?
September 3, 2009 at 10:12
Well Chary, they will have an IP Address for that poster that could be traced (As long as he is not on a hotspot or in an internet cafe) and if he is traceable, then he should be pulled up on it.
September 3, 2009 at 10:14
The Munich chant is not about the character of a specific person, the Wenger chant is, therefore atleast legally anyone who wishes to argue the point has a point. I see how the chants are part and parcel of the game and I understand this plays into tradition but long gone are the days it would be allowed to socially utter racial slurs and or gender related comments which in a way I feel this comes under. If it is a personal character assination then it can be deemed illegal as slander (which I feel this is), that is my only point.
September 3, 2009 at 10:15
http://www.oleole.com/blogs/arseblog
September 3, 2009 at 10:15
Pedophile
Adult with sexual desire for children
An adult who has sexual desire for children or who has committed the crime of sex with a child
September 3, 2009 at 10:15
all right Arsenal didn’t get anybody when the window closed. AW better make sure his young guns can deliver. this early part of the season has been good so far but wht worries me is Jan and feb.
The grounds will be wet when the passing game will be problematic and some players go for the ANC. When they come back they could have been injured or knackered.
AW better make sure all loopholes aare covered. A repeat of previous seasons will be intolerable.
September 3, 2009 at 10:19
I am really pleased Den and Nik got their new contracts. we have been through many years of developing these players. to get rid of them at a time when they are just coming into their prime would be really stupid.
Neither of them are kids anymore, as they have been in the past. their performances have definitely improved and become more consistent. I think they can both have good seasons AND I think they will continue to improve.
September 3, 2009 at 10:19
While we are on the topic of chants, what do we all think of the Ashley cole chants that our supporters often sing?
“Ten men went to bed, went to bed with ashley..”
September 3, 2009 at 10:19
totally agree. Sign shite for lots of money and let the good ones go. I do think Wenger’s brain is getting a bit better now though. If not, he can go.
September 3, 2009 at 10:21
bollocks
September 3, 2009 at 10:22
classic bbk!
September 3, 2009 at 10:23
Denilson is a more important player than Diaby. Diaby is the sort of player who can cost you games. diaby is very inconsistent and does not track back all the time. OK so Den isn’t a flashy player, and neither do I think if everyone was fit he should be in the team, but as a squad player he is very useful and reliable. Never gets injured either. something to be said for that when you look around the other players.
September 3, 2009 at 10:23
LAzer how are you doing all good i hope
September 3, 2009 at 10:24
yeah that’s the problem he never fucks off
September 3, 2009 at 10:25
If they can punish the spurs fans for singing racist songs I am sure they can punish chants about wenger
September 3, 2009 at 10:25
Denilson was best Arsenal player against United on Saturday particularly second half and the guy is only 21. Again, you seem to expect all players to be Thierry Henry or Dennis Bergkamp and that’s just not reality. Signing a young talentd Brazilian at 21 is good business.
September 3, 2009 at 10:25
i mean c’mon now if all those teams were in for him why didn’t he just go he’s not doing anything here why doesn’t he go and be shit for barca the others did
September 3, 2009 at 10:26
What I am saying is that it’s a slippery slope and I would hate it for it to go down that road.
Lazer, I don’t have it confused…Slander is slander, but surely if you say it to a member of the press or something, not if you sing it off the terraces.
Examples of chants that I myself was guilty of which involve slander:
-10 men and their mobile phone went to bed with Ashley
-The referee is a wanker/cunt
-Keano Keano he is a dirty Yido
-Eboue oOoOo Eboue oOoOo he comes from Africa he is better than Kaka.
Well the last one is obviously a joke, but you get my point. I don’t want any chants to be banned at the stadium.
As for Amazon, well maybe you might have a point there.
September 3, 2009 at 10:26
only if he’s a talented brazilian
September 3, 2009 at 10:28
I hate when there is no premiership games!! I cant believe the city game isn’t on TV
September 3, 2009 at 10:29
There was a study done recently that suggested that there is a greater correlation between total wages and success than net spend on transfers and success. In other words, there is an argument that Arsenal invest sufficiently for success!
I just wonder whether the morale/confidence of the squad as well as the fans would have benefitted from another player in. Not that I’ve seen him play, but reports suggested that Matuidi would have offered cover for Song (to give him a rest/ACN cover/allow him to play CB if needed).
As it is I’m confident we can do well as long as we get our fair share of luck with injuries and referees.
Come on you Reds!
September 3, 2009 at 10:29
Let’s just put it this way,dnilson will never reach gilberto status at the club and bendtner will never reach bergkamp status at the club…
September 3, 2009 at 10:29
You are right the The Munich chant is not about the character of a specific person, but it is about people that have died. Just like the song sung to the Liverpool fans about Hilsborough. on those occaisions it was very likely that relations and friends of those that died are in the stadium.
Look i dont like the Wenger chant it is over the top, but I wonder if we are being a bit like UEFA here. I have heard that song about Wenger on countless occaisions at most grounds in the PL, yet it is now that we have decided to single out the Man Ure fans about it.
I agree that sites such as Play and Amazon are being irresponsible by selling it, but you really cant do a lot to alter the mindset of other fans.
I think as a fan you have to decide whether or not you join in with the chants, and it says a lot about the individual. I bet there are Arsenal fans singing the elephant and whore song to Adebayor in just over a weeks time. Is that much different to the Wenger chant?
Now of course the stadiums would be a better place to be without any of these racist/homophobic/paedo chants but because of the sheer volume of fans singing it, the only way it will be stamped out is via FA or PL intervention with games behind closed doors or huge huge fines.
September 3, 2009 at 10:30
On the contract debate. Nicky was in his last year and improved since last signed his contract, hence deserving a new contract and so we don’t lose him for free.
Den is playing much more but not hugely improved and still 2 years on his contract. 50/50 if he deserved a new one. I believe should have waited till next year for his one. See how he performs this season. But Wenger already thinks he is great so he gave him one this year.
September 3, 2009 at 10:31
You are right the The Munich chant is not about the character of a specific person, but it is about people that have died. Just like the song sung to the Liverpool fans about Hilsborough. on those occaisions it was very likely that relations and friends of those that died are in the stadium.
Look i dont like the Wenger chant it is over the top, but I wonder if we are being a bit like UEFA here. I have heard that song about Wenger on countless occaisions at most grounds in the PL, yet it is now that we have decided to single out the Man Ure fans about it.
I agree that sites such as Play and Amazon are being irresponsible by selling it, but you really cant do a lot to alter the mindset of other fans.
I think as a fan you have to decide whether or not you join in with the chants, and it says a lot about the individual. I bet there are Arsenal fans singing the elephant and whore song to Adebayor in just over a weeks time. Is that much different to the Wenger chant?
Now of course the stadiums would be a better place to be without any of these chants but because of the sheer volume of fans singing it, the only way it will be stamped out is via FA or PL intervention with games behind closed doors or huge huge fines.
September 3, 2009 at 10:32
Arse&Nose – to answer your question, I fucking love it, and sing it every time we play the Chavs.
September 3, 2009 at 10:32
Am good. Would have been better if we fookin signed someone for once! and not this damn 2 week break till we get revenge on the shitty boys.
duke-a spoken word is slander, it doesn’t have to be written or published. Those examples don’t count because they are not direct characterizations of an individual. IF you said Ashley Cole is a faggot it would. Calling someone a cunt is not slander. Maybe the Keane one is close but that’s about it.
September 3, 2009 at 10:35
pat, agree with all you say bar the stadiums would be a better place without it. I like how you come up with original banter to the opposing team. I guess I just miss the old days
I liked football back in the day, it’s too commercial and family friendly now.
September 3, 2009 at 10:35
Am just making a legal point here really, the debate about whether we should have the chants in general or not is not one I am talking about.
September 3, 2009 at 10:39
I don’t see how Denilson can be applauded for simply playing 51 games last term or whatever the fuk it was. If you’re pedestrian in 85% of them how is that deserving of a new contract? I am not one to be after his case, but would have much preferred if he was honestly pushed for a place by the youth coming up. Wenger treats these kids too gently sometimes (and it shows on the field), they have to be able to fight for their places and their contracts imo.
September 3, 2009 at 10:40
Lazer, I know the definition of slander, but it’s not always easy to implement. I didn’t mean it has to be published. But I mean it’s not the same as if I tell the press or like Cheryl that I saw Ashley having gay sex, the same as me telling this to you in a pub.
If you come out with it, they can just say Fuck off, who are you? Where is the proof. Slander only becomes slander if you actually accusing the person of the wrongdoing, whatever it is. I would like to think that a football chant can’t be slander, and hopefully would not hold up in court.
What happened to the Yids abusing Sol? Who banned them from games? Spurs or the FA?
And how is the Ashley one not slander in your definition? The song says he like to go to bed with men…and a mobile phone
September 3, 2009 at 10:41
put it this way, had Den and Nik been sold in january I would have been very disappointed – especially as we would not have got much money on their remaining contracts.
If Diaby, Senderos or Almunia were to go I think I would actually be pleased. These are players that will cost Arsenal points – there is no question about that from my point of view. Diaby has one great game in 7, that keeps people thinking – Yes he’s certainly got it in him. But his 6 shit games are not worth it.
Eboue is worth keeping for his right back ablilities, but wenger must stop playing him as a striker.
September 3, 2009 at 10:41
I think the chants can be humourous enough without the abuse Duke, but I know what you mean.
I think the Football fan can come up with some absolute blinders and sometimes even a few words in a chant have me in stitches and that is the kind of chants i like at the ground. How about some classics you have heard guys that are funny rather than really crude.
September 3, 2009 at 10:41
Lazer I get the legal point thing, not sure how a football chant holds up legally.
September 3, 2009 at 10:43
In addition, he is a good reader of the game, I will give him that, but if he is physically lacking at the age of 21 mainly in terms of pace I hardly see him developing that any further. I can see him becoming a better positional player and perhaps someday adding a forward pass to his repetoire but a midfield general he will not be imo.
September 3, 2009 at 10:43
I think those Spurs fans were prosecuted in courts (As in the legal Courts not the Furniture sellers)
September 3, 2009 at 10:44
Well the “running ’round Tottenham” one has to be one of the best, but again it’s not that family friendly being anti-semitic.
September 3, 2009 at 10:44
I will give Denilson the chance this season LAzer
I could not see Song developing this time last year, yet now he is one of the first names on the team sheet.
Diaby though does concern me, he is 23 and still not really impressing me. horribly inconsistent.
September 3, 2009 at 10:45
The problem is where you draw the line. We have chants that call Harry Redknapp mum a whore!!
September 3, 2009 at 10:46
I like the we pay your benefits aimed at the Scousers.
Oh and “Overmars, Superstar, got more speed than a drug dealer”
September 3, 2009 at 10:46
pat, what was the verdict and sentence?
September 3, 2009 at 10:47
Here you go Duke
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1123823/Four-Tottenham-fans-banned-indecent-Campbell-chants.html
September 3, 2009 at 10:48
“Let’s just put it this way,dnilson will never reach gilberto status at the club and bendtner will never reach bergkamp status at the club…”
I disagree. Did you ever see Gilberto score a goal like Denilson’s against Everton? He has the potential to be our Xavi Alonso (who was never the most explosive player but was a vital cog – just look how pool are doing without him). We signed Gilberto age 28. I guarantee if Denilson is still here at 28 he will be infinitely better than Gilberto.
As for Nikki B, I think it’s pretty tough to compare him to Bergkamp, given that they play(ed) in totally different positions. Maybe he won’t become a legend, but he can be a top performer for us without a doubt. He is already technically better than Adbebaywhore and just needs a bit of work on his finishing and occasionally passing. The passing is already coming on due to his recent spell in midfield and the finishing will come in time. He’s 21. Again, we signed Bergy in his prime – 26. Let’s see how good Bendtner is in 5 years. Something tells me he will be a hot shit, 25 goal/season striker, but maybe that’s just me, and everyone else is as negative as you BBK………
September 3, 2009 at 10:48
Any Spurs manager really rob, I assume it’s the one which states that the Pope told him his mum is a whore. The same one we had for Jol…
Pat for the Scousers I like “And you’ll never get a job” to the tune of never walk alone and “Where’s your famous atmosphere at away games
September 3, 2009 at 10:49
but robgreen, she is!
September 3, 2009 at 10:50
Well perhaps we can agree to disagree then. I feel in this scenario it is a personal characterization that is echoed around a lot and having that as a very cognitive reminder in the form of a chant is considered slander. Cashley’s chant is not distinctly saying he hurts or harms other people and is on the realm of humor really so for me it does not apply. The distinction in my book is fine, but I believe there is a distinction.
September 3, 2009 at 10:50
Whether we like or not these chants will be weeded out of modern football because football is now an entertainment industry.
The number of times I’ve been at the ground and seen the looks of horror on middle class fathers & mothers sitting with their kids tell me that chants wont last.
Like it our not these are now the majority and the main source of income for the club. Who do you think buys club level tickets and boxes?
Arsenal is a business and they will listen to customers, and the most valued customers are NOT the loyal long serving ones who buy cheap seats in orange quadrant and stand and scream abuse…
… the valued customers are the ones who pay mega bucks, buy over priced hot dogs and like to watch a game without their Eugine and Isabella hearing naughty words.
September 3, 2009 at 10:53
Cheers for the artical Pat.
QTE
Magistrate Susan Waddle said: ‘There were families present, very young children. We also heard from witnesses who found the behaviour disgusting and embarrassing.
UNQTE
That’s what pisses me off, I don’t give a shit about this families, it’s a football game, if women and children don’t want to be exposed to it then don’t bring them. Sounds a bit harsh…but you know what I mean. It’s a piss poor excuse.
September 3, 2009 at 10:53
Vermaelen, woooooo-ooooo
Vermaelen, woooooo-ooooo
He comes from Belgium
He wants to kill your mum
September 3, 2009 at 10:55
Really happy that we have signed up Nik and Denilson. Two excellent squad players with potential to become very important players for us over the next few years. Both still very young, Den in partciular in that CM position is very young, and getting stronger every year.
September 3, 2009 at 10:57
bbk
no one will reach bergkamp status at the club
September 3, 2009 at 10:57
Duke i completely agree. My first football match was a total eye-opener, and a really good one!
If you don’t like hearing people swear, or don’t want your kids to hear it, don’t take them to a football match! Introduce them to tennis or golf (or even rugby) where they will be able to see ‘civilised people’ watching a sporting event! Don’t make us adapt to your wants just because little timmy heard the big man say “cunt”!
Same thing goes for the smoking ban. Pisses me off!
September 3, 2009 at 10:58
Arse&Nose, well said mate, well said. Oh how I miss the real football
Anyway, got a meeting, catch you soon. Good talk
September 3, 2009 at 10:59
A & N sorry mate i disagree with the last comment. i took my boy to his 1st game back in may (9yrs old) and explained to him he would be hearing things there that he would’nt at home. Anyone taking kids to a game expecting not to hear any bad language/chants is being very foolish. incidentally, he loved every second of it and the swearing was’nt mentioned after the game.
September 3, 2009 at 10:59
But those women and children have every right to pay the ticket price and come and watch the game and say to whoever that if you want to swear like a back street whore after a 12 hr shift don’t do it around us. I guess I am playing devils advocate here, I see you point, I really really do and wish things were from a time when no one gave a shit about all this. But sadly it just isn’t like that, there is always another side now and it isn’t all black and white. Its a public envoirnment and someone will clamour for cleaning up and all that stuff and for the most part people would agree.
September 3, 2009 at 11:00
Agree with that Duke,
I dont begrudge anyone a ticket at a Football match, but you have to expect swearing, and chants that are a little personal (Sometimes funny but sometimes ott)
I dont think the clubs do enough, it seems that the family areas are now the entire stadium, and as clubs move to new grounds, the Home End seems to be dissapearing. I really dont see why Clubs can’t section an area that comes with warnings about language, likewise areas (Larger if needed) for families where it is not tolerated.
September 3, 2009 at 11:01
Chipo,
Now I am really out…
September 3, 2009 at 11:04
That would work out very well Pat, I wish they would just mark the areas as over 18 or something of the sort and just be done with it. A smoking, drinking old fashioned chanting football public without having to deal with all the bullshit red tape. That’s a suggestion I would take to Gazidis to make the fans happy, not putting up posters and having annoying announcers.
September 3, 2009 at 11:08
Jerseygooner, I’m sorry I shoud not have generalised.
There are parents out there like you who will handle the situation in the right way like you have but from my experience I think it is rare.
The majority of ‘valued customers’ will not take kindly to homophobic or border line racist chants and will eventually force football clubs to clamp down on it, that is my opinion.
September 3, 2009 at 11:08
I totally agree. TH14 came close but he was still the best imo.
September 3, 2009 at 11:27
Just noticed that Szczesny has made it to the polish squad.He is only 18 right?
September 3, 2009 at 11:36
Off the topic, but I just cant stand Almunia anymore, I have never liked or rated him, and he has done nothing to show signs that he is worth the No.1 slot. When I see him play for us I just cringe. I seriously cannot wait to see the back of him. People complain about Eboue and DenilSong not being Arsenal material, but this guy is not even good enough to lace Mad Jens’ boots let alone have the number one jersey.
September 3, 2009 at 11:45
Gooners,pls,dont call Arshavin with than name ANDRIY ,just ANDREI,bcos the former went from
ukranian transcription.Suitable for Shevchenko
not for Arshavin.
September 3, 2009 at 11:46
Well, I really don’t know what to make out of this: one striker is not scoring goals; a midfield is doing a decent job, but often blamed when we lose a game for being lightweight!
Denilson deserves far more his contract extension than Bentner if you ask me, because from the prospective of what I see on the pitch, Denilson is far better footballer than Bentner. Denilson as well as Fabregas being both lightweight need a big man along side in order to perform in middle. He is our neattiest passer in middle at the moment. He is still young and hopefully he will grow a bit more muscle in the next two or three years so. I like Bentner hard work on the wing; but he’s got to score goals as he was signed as a striker. We can’t keep relying on our defenders and midfield to score all our goals.
Just give the lad a rest; it,s not his fault if he is not big. We have big men like Diaby who can’t even do half of what Denilson is doing at the moment.
AW keeps playing them (Diaby & Bentner)in big games and we keep losing.
September 3, 2009 at 11:54
wow, 7 comments since 11am – it’s quiet, almost too quiet….
September 3, 2009 at 12:05
ive got nothing personal against denilson and bendtner but these guys are not GE to be key components in a title winning squad
i blame arsene then. prove me wrong or kindly fuck off next May
September 3, 2009 at 12:07
its funny how the noises from the clubs change b4 and after season tkt renewals
all bloody bunch of frauds
September 3, 2009 at 12:08
Help, all my first team are on international duties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 3, 2009 at 12:16
AFTERNOON folks!so….it seems that Denilson has signed on the dotted line while Bendtner snubbed giants like BARCA,BAYERN & BOLTON…I’m pleased with Denilson signing on because i see a quality in him which he shows consistently,however i feel that he goes missing against the Big Boys.However that will come slowly and i think he’s gr8 to have as a squad player and i’d hav Nasri in front of him but would give him a run-out against the bottom 15clubs. I prefer him to Diaby who i think has v.poor positional & tactical awareness when he’s asked to take any responsibility i.e.boss/influence the midfield.He’s best when he has Fabregas, Den/Song playing behind him so he doesnt have to track back etc – he’s v.much like JET BENDTNER on the other hand has improved every area of his game except finishing. He’s played as the RF which is a bit alien to him but he’s done an ok job,however whenever Eduardo plays on the wing he looks more dangerous.As a striker i think Bendtner offers v.little goal threat – BUT to be fair to him Wenger has not played him as the main CF.I’d like to see Bendtner given a run as the CF with RvP playing RF or maybe even coming on for Eduardo in the 2nd half.i guess then we can r.judge if he’s got the killer instinct infront of goal and whether i’m wrong to doubt him.
September 3, 2009 at 12:23
franchise,
Next 7 matches till November will reveal how good we are against teams outside top 5.
September 3, 2009 at 12:24
Fran, your spot on.
We have seen a annual trend towards the manager and board talking about signings before season ticket renewals. Now that they have all the money in they have shown us their cards by re-signing duds on long term contracts.
September 3, 2009 at 12:32
GUNNERBLOG was on radio 5live this morning talking abt the Wenger Paedo chant. (just thought that i’d share that with u guys;) However it just seems like theres a massive Anti-Arsenal/ Wenger media campaign.Its everywhere esp. On talkshite ;/
September 3, 2009 at 12:35
bollocks afternoon all
September 3, 2009 at 12:39
Diaby’s at it again!
http://goal.com/en/news/1863/world-cup-2010/2009/09/03/1478198/injury-concern-for-france-goalkeeper-hugo-lloris-after-diaby
September 3, 2009 at 12:39
we the fans are nothing but pawn in the game
what else can we do but show our pleasure or displeasure at how our club is been run
im not gonna back the manager 100% if i dont agree with what he is doing
i want my team to win every game they play the truth is they cant do it and for every game we lose or draw the first thing that would come to my mind is if only we had better players
we have the money, i look at past wenger sides that won the league when there was less competition and i struggle to see how this side would win the league
starting well IMO has only prevented what happened last season. this team IMO doesnt have the stomach to susutain a challenge.
injuries would continue to deplete and not just any injuries the ones to key players im tired of blaming injuries
September 3, 2009 at 12:40
is there a Vermaelen chant yet?
September 3, 2009 at 12:42
lol the French Goalkeeper has been inured in training, by GUESS WHO!???
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1863/world-cup-2010/2009/09/03/1478198/injury-concern-for-france-goalkeeper-hugo-lloris-after-diaby
September 3, 2009 at 12:44
what i want to know is why people have not questioned the lack of depth being brought in on a wider scale it seems wenger has got away with this due to the stuff about eddy
September 3, 2009 at 12:45
BBK going forward we’ve got probably the most depth in Europe!
The only area we don’t have depth now is at DM, that’s the one place that worries me
September 3, 2009 at 12:45
and denilson and bendtner signing new contracts is a complete slap in the face by wengerlaar
September 3, 2009 at 12:46
yes your right a but it’s not very good depth
September 3, 2009 at 12:47
same goes for the keepers,defenders and midfield
September 3, 2009 at 12:49
when and if we keep our starting 11 together on a regular basis that’s acceptable,but when we get our annual injurys we are fucked
September 3, 2009 at 12:49
most depth in Europe??? some ppl
lets see where this depth takes us to. we are both gonna be here when honours are handed out
September 3, 2009 at 12:52
A,
I agree we have ridiculoud depth but i question if we have the individual quality.
We dont have a world class striker, something i feel is very important to be at the top.
September 3, 2009 at 12:53
Cesc, Nasri, Rosicky, Arshavin, Theo, Vela, Eduardo, Van Persie
I’d say that’s very good depth bbk going forward.
Keeper Fabianski is a very good keeper, but very annoying he’s injured, Mannone is untested as third choice, but which clubs have good third choice keepers?! Utd only have two back ups because Van der Saar is so old! Our second keeper is better than anyone else in the prem imo, and even when you look throughout Europe there are very few clubs with top second choice keepers let alone third!
In eboue, gibbs/traore that’s very good back up for full backs imo
Centre back Senderos, JD, Song, Silvestre is good back up at centre back imo even if not top top class. I’d have them over Evans and O’Shea, or Liverpool having to get in the old Greek because of injuries, though Chelsea have good depth there with Alex as back up.
September 3, 2009 at 12:53
Unless we get re-enforcements in January i really doubt whether we can win the title.Champions League is a maybe because sometimes u can get lucky but this year the competition is going to be tough and i think to reach the semis again will be an achievement of sorts.I think Wenger is looking at internal solutions to strengthen the squad i.e young guns coming through who will make the squad stronger rather than forking out on players.This however means we could be waiting forever to win because the likes of Chelsea,City,Mancs will keep buying quality players who are at their peak.
September 3, 2009 at 12:53
squad that is full of players that have done or achieved nothing in football
September 3, 2009 at 12:54
A,
And before you say Eduardo is our world class striker, i agree he could be, but at the mo Wenger doesnt seem to want him as our Torres.
September 3, 2009 at 12:54
OK Franchise, name a team with more depth when it comes to offensive players??
Cesc, Nasri, Rosicky, Diaby, Ramsey, Merida, Wilshere, Arshavin, Theo, Vela, Bendtner, Eduardo, Van Persie
That’s 13 offensive players in the first team squad, who in Europe has more?
September 3, 2009 at 12:55
Completely agree we need a world class striker. We need a goal machine up top!!
September 3, 2009 at 12:56
You cant say eduardo is world class yet!! IMO
September 3, 2009 at 12:56
if i go by ur thinking then we had as big a squad from february 09 cos we lost toure and adebayor
September 3, 2009 at 12:56
Keeper Fabianski is a very good keeper,pull the other one a
September 3, 2009 at 12:56
gambon it depends what you class as a striker. VP and Arshavin are world class forwards imo, and we don’t play with a striker as such, just with forwards. We don’t play with an out and out goalscorer because everyone rotates and plays deep, and everyone will score goals.
Eduardo could be a world class striker, but he’s still relatively unproven imo, but we don’t play with a proper striker as such, though i’d still expect him to be our top goalscorer
September 3, 2009 at 12:58
Next in Line for huge contracts improvement will be Almunia
Almunia could get next improved contract,trying us maybe for 10 yrs
September 3, 2009 at 12:58
I didn’t think merida was in the first team squad!! I don’t think you can include him. He has potential but he is unproven in the premiership
September 3, 2009 at 12:59
I consider him to be bbk, and i think he’ll become a top top keeper in due time
September 3, 2009 at 13:00
A u r full of crap attimes
all those players were here last season and we still were not good enough
Man City has a scarier creative line up if u ask me
September 3, 2009 at 13:00
Yeah RG he’s in the squad, he’s a first team squad member now, Wenger confirmed that, and he’s been on the bench more than Wilshere this season. He’s unproven, but still a player who’ll feature this season and prove that he’s up to it.
September 3, 2009 at 13:00
agreed there franchise
September 3, 2009 at 13:01
A – I agree. We cant spend every season waiting for players to become great players though. We need a quality Goalkeeper now. Agree?
September 3, 2009 at 13:01
a do you still think that this team can win the league
September 3, 2009 at 13:01
A,
Yes they are forwards. But i think any sucessful team needs a goal machine.
-Barcas success was built on Messi & Etoos incredible goalscoring.
-Utds dominance coincided with Ronaldo becoming a world class goalscorer
-Liverpools recent improvemnt is down to Torres’ goal threat.
-Our most sucessful season in the last 5 came off of a 30 goal season by Ade
-Wolfsburg won an unlikely Bundesliga off of the form of Dzeko
We have lots of supporting acts that will get 15 goals but no 30 goal scorer.
I would honestly swap Theo, RVP & Bentner for Torres.
September 3, 2009 at 13:02
Gambon – agree on that. Eduardo needs consistency now – not diving but scoring and impacting in big games and his only worry should be injury free.I think VELA is future worldclass striker. From our past/current transfer targets Edin Dzenko will become recognised as a top striker very soon – but he needs a move to a big league. Chamakh i believe can become anything frm Adebayor – Torres quality under Wenger.
September 3, 2009 at 13:03
Franchise I said we had more offensive depth.
We have 13 offensive players in the first team squad, City have
Ade, Tevez, Bellamy, Robinho, Benjani, SWP, Ireland, Petrov, that’s 8 players.
Who said anything about how scary creative line ups were?!
Last season we didn’t have Rosicky, didn’t have Eduardo, and Arshavin arrived late in the season, so we didn’t have the same players now did we
September 3, 2009 at 13:04
A – I very much doubt Merida will prove he is up to this season. I don’t think he will get a chance. He will be a regular in the carling cup team. People were saying vela will be class 2 seasons ago. Don’t get me wrong he might prove he is class he has already especially in the carling cup games. I just think some people get carried away and think all our youngsters will become world class players
September 3, 2009 at 13:05
I think Arshavin will be our Goal Scoring machine,but Only When Rosicky,nasri are fit.
September 3, 2009 at 13:05
BBK – No I dont think we can win!!
September 3, 2009 at 13:07
13 players proves what? that is why i said u full of shit
u said we have the best depth in europe and named 13 players of which merida, wilshere, ramsey are more fringe than barcas kids
what is the depth gonna do for us?
is that the basis trophies are handed out?
how many of this 13 are prolific and consistent?
Jesus is Lord
September 3, 2009 at 13:07
I think we miss a strong back bone (a spine), a top proven goal scorer and a decent keeper. We also suffer from to many injuries and I think we always will!!
September 3, 2009 at 13:08
gambon barca shared their goals out between etoo, messi, and henry, wolfsberg shared their goals out between dzeko and grafite,
Only Utd won something last year relying on one person to score the majority of their goals.
The way we play we can’t have a 30 goal striker – that means playing for one person to score, whereas any of our 3 forwards have an equal chance of scoring in games.
Eduardo, VP, Arshavin I expect to all get around 20 goals this season, Bendtner, Theo 10-15, Cesc, Nasri, Rosicky, Vela will all contribute too, I expect us to be around 100 goals without having any one player getting 30 goals….
BBK no I don’t – one loss at Utd has completely changed my mind, we’ll now be lucky to get top 4
September 3, 2009 at 13:09
yes good shout rob them carling cup games are meaningless it’s how they perform in the league that counts
September 3, 2009 at 13:09
I have to agree with Franchise what players below are quality, proven players and who are consistent?
Cesc, Nasri, Rosicky, Diaby, Ramsey, Merida, Wilshere, Arshavin, Theo, Vela, Bendtner, Eduardo, Van Persie
September 3, 2009 at 13:10
u can only field a maximum 14 players in one game
u might as well added Eboue as a creative player to make the 13 14
September 3, 2009 at 13:10
soon to be 2 losses a
September 3, 2009 at 13:11
RG I don’t think we need a top keeper now, it would be nice, but we don’t need one. Almunia isn’t amazing, but no worse than Cech or Van der Sar, and not far behind Reina imo. There are no top keepers in the prem, so it isn’t a disadvantage not having one.
Merida is very close to the first team, and he’ll show he’s up to it if he’s needed if we suffer injuries, though we do have a ridiculous number of players in that area so it’ll be hard for him to get many games, he’s very close though.
Vela playing for Mexico really stunted his development, in this new system he’ll play much more of a part this season though
September 3, 2009 at 13:13
A m8 what planet are you living on almoonia is no where near as good as the keepers in question
September 3, 2009 at 13:14
FRANCHISE – Why are u so NEGATIVE…Lets be positive with what we have.
If they were your children would you be that Negative. Wenger treats them as his sons and that’s why before a teenager signs for our academy his parents have to ask Wenger whether he will still be there for many more years to come and nurture them in the right footballing way.
THERE IS A SAYING THAT GOES LIKE THIS, IF UR MOTHER IS A WITCH YOU CAN NOT NEGLECT HER. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE ON A SIDE DESPITE THE NEGATIVE SENTIMENTS U GET FROM THE PUBLIC…
September 3, 2009 at 13:14
lol I won’t be happy with anything less than a win by 2 goals at City
RG, I’d say Cesc, Rosicky, Nasri, Theo, Arshavin, VP, Eduardo.
Franchise what’s the number of players that can play got to do with anything?! I was talking about offensive depth, come on it isn’t that difficult to understand. Depth is just down to numbers, noone was talking about the first team, or quality.
I said we have more offensive depth than anyone in the prem, probably Europe, and you made out that was a ridiculous thing to say, but have just proved yourself to be a bit silly unless you can find someone with more depth?!
September 3, 2009 at 13:15
BBK he is imo, all of them are just average keepers, there aren’t any top keepers in the prem, not a single keeper who would make a big difference if we swapped Almunia for them.
September 3, 2009 at 13:16
AsenakKenya im negative cos i have the right to be
simples
September 3, 2009 at 13:17
A – I completely disagree with this comment
”Almunia isn’t amazing, but no worse than Cech or Van der Sar, and not far behind Reina imo.”
Sorry mate but I think you have the blinkers on you think these players are better than they are and that they are going to be world beaters. We can wait as long as you want but they are never going to be world beaters and if one or two do. The likes of city, chelsea, united and Liverpool are just going to buy a finished article and always have more experience than us!! Project youth will never work IMO. How long is do we have to wait?
September 3, 2009 at 13:17
Almunia = cech = van de sar
drugs are bad
September 3, 2009 at 13:18
Only Cesc is truly world class in our squad.
Every other “superstar”, has to prove himself.
September 3, 2009 at 13:18
A – You honeslty think Theo is a quality, proven player who is consistent?
September 3, 2009 at 13:18
Almunia is rubbish. “nuff said”
September 3, 2009 at 13:20
On the flip side Rob – Who can you apply that criteria to in any other EPL team? (quality, consistent, proven) Every player has their off days but surely you must agree that one bad day at the office (and lets not forget it was at OT – arguably the hardest place to go and get a win) does not write off our season
September 3, 2009 at 13:20
BBK he is imo, all of them are just average keepers, there aren’t any top keepers in the prem, not a single keeper who would make a big difference if we swapped Almunia for them.A’S on fire today
September 3, 2009 at 13:21
RG Cech makes a clanger a game, and Van der Sar made mistakes last season, but was just very well protected by the team in front of him. Speak to any genuine Utd or Chelsea fans and ask them what they think of their keepers. I don’t think Almunia is any better than he is, people just think that other keepers in the prem are better than they really are!
The last top keeper in the prem was Cech before his injury, and since he’s been very poor, and I’m surprised Chelsea havn’t replaced him.
We’ll have to wait and see won’t we, Ramsey, Wilshere, Merida will all be world beaters, but are at a level now where they could start premiership games, and they will this season.
We all know that this is the last year if it doesn’t work, so we won’t have any longer to wait than this season!
September 3, 2009 at 13:24
We all know that this is the last year if it doesn’t work, so we won’t have any longer to wait than this season!How’s project kindergarten gonna change if they are skint
September 3, 2009 at 13:25
Jersey – I’m not saying players make mistakes and cant have bad patches but I would class the below in the list IMO
Gerrard, lampard, fabregas, Terry, vidic, cech, reina, carragher
September 3, 2009 at 13:25
my point is u can only play a max 14 players per game so having 13 creative players gives us no advantage
its not like its 13 of equal quality
i suggested u add eboue if u reckoned that 13 creative players gives us some advantage
vela, wilshere, ramsey, merida = too much too soon players
theo, bendtner, diaby, = HOPE cases
Rosicky = who knows
nasri, VP, Eduardo = good enough players
arshavin, cesc = top quality players
September 3, 2009 at 13:25
RG it depends what you mean by proven quality, not at the same level as Cesc, Nasri, Rosicky, VP, Arshavin.
But he’s a level above the equivalents in other prem teams imo
Who do Utd have as proven offensive quality?
Rooney, maybe Berbatov? Giggs and Scholes are shadows of their former selves, Giggs was embarrassing against us, but because he’s ryan giggs the pundits kiss his arse. Valencia is unproven, Nani likewise.
Torres, Gerrard, that’s it for Liverpool
Drogba, Anelka, Lampard, Cole, maybe Ballack only proven quality at Chelsea imo
September 3, 2009 at 13:25
OneofYou, re: 13:18
Arshavin is world class too.
September 3, 2009 at 13:25
Gallas, Cesc, Arshavin and RVP are all world class on their day.
Our squad is light weight on experience. Experience digs out results when things aint going your way, such as Chelsea first day against Hull.
We will struggle at times this year, especially if the likes of Gallas and Arshavin pick up injuries.
IMO – we should be selling Nic and Denilson, not giving them new improved contracts. Its a joke.
September 3, 2009 at 13:26
Franchise again, who said anything about quality? Eboue isn’t an offensive player, so I didn’t include him. Didn’t speak for a second about quality, that’s completely irrelevant to what I said.
September 3, 2009 at 13:27
Look if wenger and the board came out and said we don’t have any money to spend on players for X years. I would be behind project youth, back it and defend it but when they say they have money and don’t spend it and don’t challenge for the title that’s when I get annoyed!!
September 3, 2009 at 13:27
Almunia is sissy bag of shit. In my humble opinion
September 3, 2009 at 13:27
franchise you forgot your no hope list denilson,bendtner,senderos,djourou
September 3, 2009 at 13:28
IMO – we should be selling Nic and Denilson, not giving them new improved contracts. Its a joke.
EXACTLY H.B
September 3, 2009 at 13:29
The problem with our attacking players is – Arshavin playing out of position,RvP aint a CF – He’s a SS.Bendtner doesnt cut the mustard at present,Eduardo is good but needs to be played as CF maybe the he’l be a goal machine.RoSICKY has been invisible for last 2yrs.Walcott is not an intelligent player,hardly shoots,tries to outrun rather than out-think the opponent.And at present….against the top teams he gets found out once they look at his game. He needs to consistently produce good form (THAT l’pool run was magic) to be called world class.
September 3, 2009 at 13:29
When project bollocks fails again how are they going to change it if they are skinto
September 3, 2009 at 13:30
Man Utd only needed 2 quality players on the bench in the last season to put fear in the opponets Rooney, Ronaldo start Berbatov, Tevez on the bench they didnt need 13
arsenal didnt need 13 creative players to go 03/04 unbeaten
barca didnt need 13 CP to win the treble last season
neither did united in their trophy haul of the last 3 years
they relied on a handful of reliable players. a team filled with great competitors and winners
fletcher or park could play RW for an injured Ronaldo and they faired very well
13 creative players is IMO a luxury especially as a bunch of them arent reliable or consistent
September 3, 2009 at 13:30
Afternoon All….
Thx for the post Pedro…..all the fuzz sorrounding Bendtner’s new contract…for me ..means one thing..he has one year to prove himself…if not he will be next summers usual sale…and the hype to get as much cash as possible for him has started…
tom
September 3, 2009 at 13:31
RG – I’d agree with with the first 5 and Reina for his distribution and PK saves but Cech & Carragher are imho liable to more than the occasional clangers.
However your point has not drawn on any players from outside the “big 4″ so are we really as bad as all the negativity on here today suggests?
September 3, 2009 at 13:31
BBK – wneger has money
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/i-have-money-and-i-will-buy-insists-wenger
September 3, 2009 at 13:33
Jersey I am comparing us to the top 4 as we compete with the top 4. I am not going to compare us to Hull am I!!
September 3, 2009 at 13:33
The difference between Almunia & the other 3’s GKs is vast, i mean grand canyon style.
Surely the fact that neither spain nor england want him says it all, or are Capello, Del Bosque & their scouts all deluded?
September 3, 2009 at 13:34
Franchise, who’s talking about whether 13 players is something that’s gonna help us win the league?
As you say it is a luxury, it’s very rare, noone ever claimed it wasn’t, noone said it was going to result in us winning the league.
I said we had more depth than anyone in the prem and probably in Europe, and you made out what i’d said was ridiculous, despite it being factually provable, making yourself look a bit of a tit.
September 3, 2009 at 13:34
take bendtner for instance at 6ft 3in seems like our best built centre forward
the manager obviously doesnt trust him thru the middle so what is the point having him
ppl talk about what he might be in 5 years cos he is 21 and bergie was 26 when we signed him
who cares? the time is now
September 3, 2009 at 13:35
“project bollocks”
I lol’d!
September 3, 2009 at 13:35
Franchise as he tries hard and runs around a lot!! (Maybe a little bit harsh)
September 3, 2009 at 13:36
Theo can play upfront. However, he needs to find his brain and start making the right decisions and moves.
Most of the time, he plays without thinking. Time to mature – bigtime.
Almunia – potential to let you down, especially in the big games. Not disimiliar to Senderos & Diaby. Just don’t have the heads for it.
September 3, 2009 at 13:37
Fair enough but you still don’t think we’re going to challenge for the title?
September 3, 2009 at 13:37
That said
im actually more than happy with the squad we have,who i think is Great …cant see any players out there who i would spend any cash on…..
What have happened to silvestre ?
next goalie we should buy Akinfeev…at 23 he would be a great signing…it will never happen though…
and yes chamakh would be Bendtners replacement…so if he like i think is already agreed upon…well …
‘
tom
September 3, 2009 at 13:38
gambon van der sar doesn’t play for holland anymore, and reina doesn’t play for spain, though he’s ahead of almunia in the pecking order.
cech is czech so he plays internationally, but he’s not very good anymore!
none of them are top class imo
there’s very little to choose in my eyes between almunia and friedel, cech, green, schwarzer, reina, van der sar, given, james, gomes
September 3, 2009 at 13:38
why mention most depth in europe if u agree that quality and quantity arent the same thing?
u can choose to back down from the argument, if u agree
September 3, 2009 at 13:38
The problem with Theo is he just isnt a talented footballer. Wenger bought him way too soon, if he had watched him between 16-18 he never wouldve signed him.
He has pace and nothing else.
September 3, 2009 at 13:39
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September 3, 2009 at 13:39
Jerseygooner – I think we will challenge but I dont think we will win. I think chelsea will win. We are very lucky that united and liverpool are weaker
September 3, 2009 at 13:39
Franchise our central forward is the player who has the most creative responsibility, that’s why vp plays there rather than bendtner
September 3, 2009 at 13:39
“in my eyes”
Bingo!!!
September 3, 2009 at 13:41
I think the squad’s ok with lots of good to very good players in most positions (with the possible exception of CB depending what you think of Senderos) Contrary to what most of the media think I think the ultimate quality of the first team is the issue.
IMO project youth is also doing ok – making prem quality english players for other teams isn’t easy at all but to see whehter it can really produce Top4 quality players you’re still looking at 3-5 years to have a clear idea, there’s lots of very promising prospects english and foreign but like they say, not many will be able to make that final step up – if there’s 4-5 new first teamers from the system by 2014 that would be amazing and would make a huge difference to the team. At the moment you’d think at least some of Bendtner, Djourou, Wishere, Gibbs, Merida, Vela, Coquelin, Nordtveidt, Afobe, Frimpong, Aneke, Ozyakup or whoever you wan to pick out have a got a chance over that period.
September 3, 2009 at 13:42
huh Franchise?!
All I said was as you’ve posted “going forward we’ve got probably the most depth in Europe!”
that’s it, I didn’t say anything about quality.
Yet you claimed that was ridiculous, and as such made yourself look very thick because what I said is factually correct, it’s undeniable, it isn’t a matter of opinion, it’s a statement of fact!
I didn’t say better depth, i didn’t say more quality, I said more depth.
I didn’t mention it as having anything to do with quality, or us winning the league, or anything else, it was simply a statement specifically about our depth
September 3, 2009 at 13:43
gambon i’ve got to disagree, theo’s an incredibly intelligent player off the ball, his movement is superb, and he’ll benefit this season from the increased creativity behind him, and I expect a good 10-15 goals in all comps from him. This system should suit him down to a tee as well
September 3, 2009 at 13:44
All this rubbish about the team is a year older!! Everyone else is a year older as well!!
Wenger has wasted a perfect opportunity. Liverpool and united are weaker. Drobga is going African nations and they don’t have a great replacement. All wenger needed to do was two or 3 and we really could have won the title IMO. Now city and spurs have closed the gap on us!!
September 3, 2009 at 13:44
A more crap
CF most creative responsibility???
where do u come up with this stuff from?
its not like we play gerrard and lampard in midfield, even if we did CF priority is to try to be a scoring threat not a creative threat
u wld mention VP assists as some form of proof
BOLLOCKS
September 3, 2009 at 13:45
Fifa ban chelsea for 18 months from signing any players
September 3, 2009 at 13:46
September 3, 2009 at 13:46
Franchise I’ll simplify it for you, I essentially said
We probably have more offensive players than anyone in Europe
You said that’s ridiculous
Then when pointed out it’s a fact, you said, yeah but what about the quality, we don’t need that many players to win the league etc, when you realised that you’d said something really stupid, even though the quality, and EVERYTHING else other than the number of players, has literally no relevance.
September 3, 2009 at 13:46
BREAKING NEWS!!! FIFA have imposed a 12month transfer ban on CHELSEA!!!
September 3, 2009 at 13:47
A – Maybe I am going a bit over the top but you have to be mad to think all these players your mentioning are going to great this season.
September 3, 2009 at 13:48
Franchise you can see from the way we play that Van Persie has the most creative responsibility, he drops deep and creates whilst the other two forwards run past him, go and look at the chalk boards. pretty sure wenger even said the system was designed for him to be creative too!
September 3, 2009 at 13:48
Where you getting this chelsea news from?
September 3, 2009 at 13:49
A :
‘there’s very little to choose in my eyes between almunia and friedel, cech, green, schwarzer, reina, van der sar, given, james, gomes’
You cannot be serious???? Almunia and Gomes are not good enough to be on the list with those you mentioned, and not all the ones you mentioned are top class.
September 3, 2009 at 13:49
CHELSEA cant buy/sell players in the nxt 2 transfer windows.
September 3, 2009 at 13:50
Which players have I said are going to be great this season rob green??
Only theo and vela I expect to shine more than they did last year….
September 3, 2009 at 13:50
Eh? Chelsea banned from transfers WTF?
September 3, 2009 at 13:50
why? why?
September 3, 2009 at 13:50
il do the same thing you have done with real madrid
granero
kaka
guti
mosquera
ronaldo
tebar
VDV
benzema
raul
higuain
joselu
van nisterooy
that is 13
September 3, 2009 at 13:53
Thing is you look at Madrids and its different class to us…
Where’s our Kaka, Ronaldo, Benzema
September 3, 2009 at 13:55
So you found one team with the same players Franchise?
That makes me saying probably the most in Europe ridiculous?!
You’d need to find about ten with more players that us to make what I said ridiculous, you’ve not even found one!
And isn’t tebar a defensive mid?
September 3, 2009 at 13:56
gambon to be fair, not many teams out there have a kaka, Ronaldo and benzima. But I get the point you are making.
September 3, 2009 at 13:57
Kakuta: DRC decision reached
On the occasion of its last meeting held on 27 August 2009, the Dispute Resolution Chamber (DRC) was called to pass a decision in a contractual dispute opposing the French club Lens to the French player Gael Kakuta and the English club Chelsea.
The French club had lodged a claim with FIFA seeking compensation for breach of contract from the player and requesting also sporting sanctions to be imposed on the player and the English club for breach of contract and inducement to breach of contract respectively.
The DRC found that the player had indeed breached a contract signed with the French club. Equally, the DRC deemed it to be established that the English club induced the player to such a breach.
As a result the player was condemned to pay compensation in the amount of EUR 780,000, for which the club, Chelsea, are jointly and severally liable, and sporting sanctions were imposed on both the player and Chelsea in accordance with art. 17 par. 3 and 4 of the Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players.
A restriction of four months on his eligibility to play in official matches has been imposed on Kakuta. Chelsea are banned from registering any new players, either nationally or internationally, for the two next entire and consecutive registration periods following the notification of the present decision.
Furthermore, the club, Chelsea, have to pay Lens training compensation in the amount of EUR 130,000.
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/administration/news/newsid=1097777.html#kakuta+drc+decision+reached
September 3, 2009 at 13:57
Yeah I agree gambon, Madrid’s strength in depth is scary. Have to see how they gel, I still reckon Barca will win the league, hope so anyways!
Champs league will be interesting, I don’t hold out much hope for us there, but think we’ll win the league
September 3, 2009 at 13:57
and inter
etoo
millito
obinna
ballotelli
stankovic
sneider
suazo
quaresma
destro
litteli
zanetti
arnautovic
joel chukuma obi
luca tremolada
that is 14
September 3, 2009 at 13:57
Rob Green mate
a year older or not, it is clear for everyone to see that we’re much more of a team this year..and that we have improved,matured and actually plays very very well…
gettin rid of the chicken man(Ade)was crucial..
but you have a point and i think Wenger was fairly sure of getting Melo…that would have improved us..and may have been just what we needed,still thats over and we still have the best Squad in the premier…
for me this year is a battle of London..chelski will in the end be the only team that can keep up with us..
manc…not at all…they have been lucky so far and plays very poorly…spurs..give it a rest,,,l’pool already shaken..and rafa’s gone within a month or two…the Milan victory is the only thing that keeps him alive…manu..well not a chance..fergie is more interested in adjusting his play to other teams ..and thats the first sign of things going bad…still think Villa will be the team who is closest to the big four…..and Everton may yet be in it…
tom
September 3, 2009 at 13:59
Franchise zanetti isn’t an offensive player, if he’s offensive then denilson and eboue are!
so that’s 13 at inter
September 3, 2009 at 14:00
Franchise don’t cheat now
September 3, 2009 at 14:00
A & FRAN – gr8 sparring lads. Gr8 reading for Arsenal fans. TOM – i hope ur right abt the BENDTNER contract scenario. I hope Bendtner has a blinder otherwise Bayern hav been chasing him for a long time and i can see him doing well in the German league.CHELSEA’s ban means that they cant get a player if they hav a long term injury to e.g. DROGBA and they will have to rely on what they have and their youth.This evens it out for nxt year and is an advantage to all other contenders for the title. Chelsea will start praying that they dnt get any long term injuries & we better start praying they do
September 3, 2009 at 14:01
FIFA impose 2 year transfer ban on chelsea
September 3, 2009 at 14:02
its not two years is it i thought it was next two transfer windows!!!!
September 3, 2009 at 14:03
The Jan transfer window and the summer one 2010
September 3, 2009 at 14:03
Fuck that is massive
I bet Chavski get it reduced to just the Jan window though.
September 3, 2009 at 14:04
A so u still dont get my point. u dont name or count fringe reserve/first team players and come out with comments like u made saying we have the best depth going forward
zanetti plays mostly Right midfield since maicon arrived, i could also have added muntari who mourinho deploys on the left midfield
aha
September 3, 2009 at 14:04
Tom I don’t think the contract extension has anything to do with Bendtner’s last chance or anything. It’s simply because his contract was due to expire in 2 years, and he’s still in Wenger’s plans….
LOL making a good point on sky – they’re going to lose Essien, Mikel, Kalou, Drogba in the African Nations, and can’t sign anyone in Jan!
What about Carvalho getting on a bit too, Ballack likewise. I guess they’ll just keep the likes of Carvalho, Ballack, Deco around for a bit longer than they perhaps were planning to
September 3, 2009 at 14:05
they cant buy anyone until Jan 2011
September 3, 2009 at 14:06
The news hasnt made skysports or BBC yet
September 3, 2009 at 14:07
Pat – I think you are right there, they still have time to appeal and we know they will. So expect a huge reduction in this timescale.
September 3, 2009 at 14:07
how funny bout chavs……tranfer ban
September 3, 2009 at 14:07
Yeah.. but its on FIFA.com
September 3, 2009 at 14:07
Franchise i didn’t say we had the best depth going forward, I said we had the most, completely different things….
You don’t have a point, you said something that was silly, and tried to defend it by changing the subject and bringing in things that have no relevance.
Depth consists of players who are reserves, I just named players who are the back up for the first team, who are in the first team squad, I didn’t name any youth players, or reserve team players. All those players are members of our first team, and train with the first team, not the reserves
Denilson and Eboue have to count then if you’re counting those two, both play in advanced positions for us but I didn’t count them because they aren’t offensive players, just as Zanetti and Muntari aren’t….
September 3, 2009 at 14:08
I dont really like Chelsea but this FIFA decision worries me.
Once again we have seen a harsh sentence passed on to a English premier league club, do we honestly believe Barcelona or Real would have been treated the same way?
Platini and his chums have come out and spoken negatively about Chelsea’s spending and Arsenals acquisition of European youngsters and it seems to me too much of a coincidence that when they have had a chance to punish these two teams they have come down hard on them.
After the banter and jokes ease down we will see the bigger picture, which is that FIFA and UEFA seriously have it in for English clubs.
September 3, 2009 at 14:08
rg they’ve been discussing it on sky sports news for a while, it’s hilarious!
September 3, 2009 at 14:09
Arse&Nose it worries me a bit regarding the number of foreign kids we bring in, cesc, merida dodgyness etc
September 3, 2009 at 14:09
A for ur sake read back and find who is silly
‘almunia is no worse than cech’
well done
September 3, 2009 at 14:09
I think red rom asked for it on the quite, times are hard and no one can moan at him for not buying players
i think wenger could take the same route
September 3, 2009 at 14:10
This doesnt matter that much for Chelsea, think we’re getting a bot excited.
They wouldve been well aware this would happen. They probably wouldnt have been shopping in Jan anyway, and i dont see where they would have a desperate need in the summer anyway.
Obviously there are injuries but as we all know only too well you dont just go and buy a player every time one is injured.
Oh and they will be making a signing…..Joe Cole returning will be like a new signing!!!!
September 3, 2009 at 14:11
That chelsea news is massive!!
September 3, 2009 at 14:11
I think its curbing debts A&N
September 3, 2009 at 14:12
Wenger & our hideous board would be in heaven if we got one of these transfer embargo’s. Infact it probably explains why we’re bringing so many foreign youngsters in!!
September 3, 2009 at 14:13
It would matter for the chavs.. they have a big signing every single window!
Best part is that they can’t even sell anyone!
September 3, 2009 at 14:13
Again Franchise – going to something that is completely irrelevant to what we were discussing. I can’t work out if you’re just too proud to apologise, or lacking the intelligence to realise what you’ve done….
gambon I dunno – i reckon they would’ve been certainly looking in january if not definitely acting to cover for the african nations. Ribery available next summer too, and they do have an ageing squad.
It isn’t going to prevent them challenging for honours, but certainly is beneficial to the rest of the prem!
September 3, 2009 at 14:13
then u come out authoritatively and say stuff like ‘CF in our new formation priority is to create’
if u say IMO the CF….. we will hear u or may be not
u sound like u lead our training sessions
‘van persie dont shoot wait for diaby’s run and feed him the pass’
September 3, 2009 at 14:14
Franchise that’s what Wenger said as well….
September 3, 2009 at 14:15
choy its not only about debts, Platini and his goons hate the success of the premier league. The over look real madrids dodgey dealings and come down hard on english clubs at any opportunity, dont for one second think that the timing of these charges has nothing to do with englands bid to host the world cup in 2018.
UEFA,FIFA and the scottish members who have powerful seats on the boards love to see the english game suffer.
September 3, 2009 at 14:15
is there a day on here u dont mention intelligence?
September 3, 2009 at 14:16
did he say it in a training session u led?
September 3, 2009 at 14:16
Wenger: ‘A tell the forwards not to shoot’
September 3, 2009 at 14:17
dirty cheating chavs!!
ha ha ha
September 3, 2009 at 14:17
‘VP if u keep trying to run the channels i would play eboue ahead of you’
September 3, 2009 at 14:18
Fran – we’v got a better attacking squad than Inter, bar Eto & Sneijder i wouldnt hav anyone frm Inter. GAMBON – Madrid & Barca & then Arsenal hav the best attacking players on paper imo.
September 3, 2009 at 14:18
Lol, Wenger actually calls him “A” rather than his real name!
September 3, 2009 at 14:19
I bet Real Madrid dont get any sanctions against them for Ronaldo.
September 3, 2009 at 14:19
KM give me Etoo for a start and i would offer inter Bendtner and van persie
September 3, 2009 at 14:20
Balotelli is gonna be some player
September 3, 2009 at 14:21
Mancini wont be bad either, a natural winger
September 3, 2009 at 14:21
“Robin van Persie plays central because he can create space, he has a very quick brain and a very sure technique, that means he can give the ball. He gave the ball today to Ramsey. Our strikers at the moment are providers.”
September 3, 2009 at 14:22
I’ve had just about enough with Arsenal. Who are they to try and build a squad when we should just go out and buy. Our players suck!
Almunia is shit worst keeper in the league
Gallas is too old and injury prone
Vermaelen is untested
Sagna and Gael can’t cross and Gael can’t defend
Song is african
Cesc has had his head turned
Rosicky and Eduardo will be lucky to play 10 games
Arshavin will be off next summer and the system doesn’t suit him
RvP can’t score
Nik can’t score
Rest are unproven overpaid players who wouldn’t make it to Man U’s reserves.
September 3, 2009 at 14:22
KM,
Think i would rather have;
Ribery, Robben, Schweinsteiger, Gomez, Olic, Klose, Toni
Than our attack.
September 3, 2009 at 14:23
so why don’t chelsea just slash everyone’s wages in half – they’d have to just take it wouldn’t they?
September 3, 2009 at 14:25
‘ at the moment’ possibly meaning after the games we have played. he was trying to address questions about the lack of goals from the strikers, he is taking pressure away from the player
nothing there suggests that is what the new formation is all about
wenger didnt invent 433 if u dont know that
i watched eduardo against celtic live last wednesday and he played like a CF ought to. VP interpretation of the lone CF role is flawed
he said to the dutch press himself that he is struggling to adjust to his new role
September 3, 2009 at 14:25
Timao,
I assume you dont manage a workforce, lol!
September 3, 2009 at 14:26
timao, if they pulled a stunt like that no one would ever want to join them again!
September 3, 2009 at 14:26
Mayank…………….what r u on ??
September 3, 2009 at 14:26
Mayank sarcasm is the worst and laziest form of wit
September 3, 2009 at 14:27
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2620609/Chelsea-in-shock-transfer-ban.html
September 3, 2009 at 14:27
Gambon….
WHAT ?? gomez…a one year player..Klose..?? a shitty player…luca toni..hehehe
scweinsteiger…?? well mate you would be playin in the championship with that team..
and you would have more than enough to do trying to keep mr money man himself ribery..happy and content..though i think that is impossible….
tom
September 3, 2009 at 14:28
Another thing about Platini is that he is French from the old school, which by default means he hates anything English (Nick where are you??) and obviously the success of the Prem must be pissing him off. So he will do anything he can to give the English a kick in the bollox.
September 3, 2009 at 14:28
Chavs have previous – a certain Cuntley comes to mind.
Vile club.
September 3, 2009 at 14:30
is that saying chelsea players cannot leave either? I assumed it would be just not be able to buy.
I think its a really harsh sentance – against an English team. UEFA and FIFA are trying to reduce the power of England so we shouldn’t be too happy about this.
September 3, 2009 at 14:31
sorry… yep.. they can’t register new players
September 3, 2009 at 14:32
Tomstoned,
But Munich fans would say the same about our attack.
Eduardo – Proven in the Croatian league only
Van Persie – hasnt been that great since 06/07
Bendtner – A shitty player
Walcott – Hehehe
You’ll have trouble keeping Mr Money Arshavin happy!…though i think thats impossible.
September 3, 2009 at 14:33
yeah i’d slash their wages – you know they are going to fuck you over in two years anyway, let their contracts run down and leave on a free. in fact i’d put them all on a commission only basis where they get paid according to performance. and people like joe cole would have to pay their own medical bills. i’d soon get chelsea back where they belong!
September 3, 2009 at 14:33
Lol.. Mr Money Arshavin?
He’s taken a pay cut to play for arse.
September 3, 2009 at 14:34
Andy Jacobs on talksport upset over chelsea ban just brill fucking anti Arsenal twat he is
September 3, 2009 at 14:35
HA HA Chelsea!!
September 3, 2009 at 14:38
Gambon mate
well the only difference then between us and the munich fans will be ..we support a great team while the munich fans most certainly would agree theat Bayern has not been up there for a long time..and their start to this season has been pityfull..
furthermore im more than convinced given a chance the munich fans would trade their squad with Ours in a heartbeat…..my man the german league isnt very good…
September 3, 2009 at 14:39
TalkShit is to Radio what ANR is to blogging. Many of you hate it, but cant pull yourself away from it. Not too good for your blood pressure i guess from the comments I read.
September 3, 2009 at 14:39
Andy Jacobs is making piss myself over lunch lol
September 3, 2009 at 14:41
A & N – Totally agree with your 14.08 comment.
*********************Breaking News*****************
Arsene Wenger has asked UEFA for a retrospective transfer ban saying “Its true – i tapped up Thierry Henry – 4 Years is the least i deserve”
******************* Transmission Ends ****************
September 3, 2009 at 14:42
Best radio in ages Jacobs is really hurting, love it just love it
September 3, 2009 at 14:43
I presume we are talking about Chelsea’s 2year transfer ban?!!?! Unbelievably good news! Their squad will have an av. age of 41 before they will be able to sign anyone!
September 3, 2009 at 14:48
Tomstoned,
Pretty sure theyve won 4 european cups and a hatful of leagues!
But i suppose we do have an awesome record in the Emirates cup!
September 3, 2009 at 14:52
This ban would surely destroy chelsea’s season.During january when essien,mikel,drogba and kalou will leave they might find it tough.
September 3, 2009 at 14:53
Then there would be a statement saying.
http://www.arsenal.com/wenger+plans+to+strengthen
Arsene Wenger plans to strengthen significantly this summer despite a transfer embargo.
Wenger said “i will be looking for Super Super class players, im sure the fans will be reassured, there are maybe 10 players in the world we cant afford, dont worry about the UEFA embargo”
Arsenal would like to remind you to renew your season tickets and corporate boxes.
Wenger added “give me one more year”
September 3, 2009 at 14:53
nishanth lets just hope FIFA dont reduce the ban after an appeal.
September 3, 2009 at 14:53
Chelsea do have a bit of previous. I’ve been waiting for a while for a club to take a governing body to law. I believe there is a gentlemen’s agreement not to do this but possibly Abramovich might take exception to this ruling. On the other hand I think I read that The Lord Platini had spoken to the gangster about his own intended rule changes regarding each club’s financial viability re. European competition. If these were fixed in football law then I don’t see how a club who are constantly showing a year upon year loss of £60-70 million could pass the solvency test. It will be interesting to see what get-outs Platini builds in (for a consideration of course).
September 3, 2009 at 14:54
Gambon ??
seriously you cant really compare Bayern to Our Beloved Arsenal…??
madness comes to mind mate…
then again Ajax used to be a great team to and not to forget Napoli,,,
and not to forget good old Trappatoni who learned one sentence during his happy stay at bayern…ich habe keine angst,,,
nope mate the one thing bayern are good for are thier annual beer festival…
tom…und viel gluck..;)
September 3, 2009 at 14:54
Good chance of that happening.That ban is actually a little harsh.But who gives a fuck
September 3, 2009 at 14:55
England manager Fabio Capello believes the Arsenal Academy is a model by which the rest of English football should follow. The increasingly impressive Italian has been training with his squad at the Gunners academy ahead of Saturday’s friendly against Slovenia and the crucial World Cup qualifier against Croatia on Wednesday, and the set up has left a lasting impression on the former AC Milan, Juventus and Roma coach.
He told the press: “I’m very lucky, because I’ve had the opportunity to look at Arsenal’s academy where the England team train and their work is incredibly good.”
“It’s a very important example for the other English academies.”
“I’m very interested in the academies of the clubs in England, but they all seem to be working very well.”
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“I’m very, very happy about the future of England and I think it will be better.”
Ironically there are no Arsenal stars in the current England squad, as Theo Walcott is absent through injury.
September 3, 2009 at 14:56
why are u feeling sorry for chelsea?
the fuckers deserve no pity. chelsea went to court to impose a £17m fine on Mutu
footballers are rich fuckers but how is Mutu meant to pay £17m without going bust?
September 3, 2009 at 14:56
Nishanth..
good point mate,but is it really fair ?..i dont think so …for me its like their just havin another go at English clubs…
got a very bitter taste it does…
tom
September 3, 2009 at 14:56
Capello added “As soon as Arsene produces them myself and Psycho Pearce will ensure they are injured”.
September 3, 2009 at 14:59
Anyone else think that a 2 year transfer ban would be Wenger’s wet dream?!!!
lol
September 3, 2009 at 15:00
lol Chipo
September 3, 2009 at 15:01
If the ban stays chelsea would struggle a bit.They still have a great squad.The league is there for the taking though.We need to be really lucky with the injuries though
September 3, 2009 at 15:03
I don’t think chelsea have any player who can make a step up from their academy and atleast be a squad player
September 3, 2009 at 15:05
nishanth scott sinclair, mike mancienne and the brazillian dude
September 3, 2009 at 15:05
Nishanth, this is exactly what Kenyon said a few days ago. They have effectively admitted that their attempts to copy Arsenals youth system have failed and that none of their players has made the grade!
http://youngguns.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/impatient-chelsea-must-follow-arsenals-example/
(Michael Mancienne was in their youth system before abramovich so he doesnt count)
September 3, 2009 at 15:06
franco di santo?
September 3, 2009 at 15:06
yeah
September 3, 2009 at 15:09
Nishanth – do the Chavs still actually bother running an academy? Their “business plan”
Is “buy ready-made/past it players”.
September 3, 2009 at 15:11
Santo is okay.Defensively they won’t have that much trouble.But strikers i think.Anelka and drogba are not getting any younger.And then they have sturridge and kalou.They will struggle in those areas
September 3, 2009 at 15:11
By 2011, this will be how the chelsea squad will look:
Petr Cech
30
Goalkeeper
John Terry
31
Defender
Ricardo Carvalho
34
Defender
Alex
30
Defender
Branislav Ivanovic
28
Defender
Jose Boswinga
30
Defender
Florent Malouda
31
Winger
John Obi Mikel
24
Midfielder
Yuri Zhirkov
28
Winger
Frank Lampard
33
Midfielder
Michael Essien
28
Midfielder
Michael Ballack
34
Midfielder
Deco
34
Midfielder
Joe Cole
29
Winger/Midfielder
Nicholas Anelka
32
Forward
Didier Drogba
33
Forward
Lampard, Ballack, Anelka and Drog will all be past it. This is brilliant news.
September 3, 2009 at 15:12
whos the other forward stoch? he’s supposed to be pretty handy
September 3, 2009 at 15:12
sturridge is a blinding good player though – he’s the best youngster i’ve seen in the premiership since rooney.
September 3, 2009 at 15:13
I hate Talk Sport guys but please tune in, this Classic Listening
Jacobs is nearly in tears
Ha Ha Fucking Ha
Jacobs is passing it off as if Chavski have never done this before.
Ashley Cole?
Michael Woods and Tom Taiwo from Leeds?
Obi Wan Kinobe?
Vincenzo Camilleri from Regina?
September 3, 2009 at 15:13
then chelsea will go do another 200m!!
their ban will be reduced to a ban from the just the upcoming jan window in a month or 2
September 3, 2009 at 15:15
Stop us from buying youth players, but not senior players, dont punish the fans
Ha Ha Ha Ha Jacobs you fucking mug, this is the best bit of radio since he cried foul when Robinho went to Man Shitty
September 3, 2009 at 15:15
ive seen sturridge a few time and he was always impressive
September 3, 2009 at 15:17
Chipo i think youre overplaying the significance.
They only have to get through 2010, then January 2011 they may spend £150m in 3 days.
It really isnt a huge problem, they wouldve probably made 1 ‘Marquee’ signing next summer, and spent nothing in January anyway.
Put it this way, it wont affect their points total this season, and right now we need to focus on that, not the fact that we may beat them in 10/11, which is exactly what we’re getting pissed off with, always looking to the future rather than the present.
September 3, 2009 at 15:22
I guess we won’t be seeing Frank Ribery in a Chavski Shirt anytime soon then!!!!
You are right Chipo, this probably wont affect them too much, unless they get long term injuries or if Players want to leave. Be interesting to see if they have anyone whose contract runs out next Summer!!!!! If they have then those players can really hold the club to ransom over wages….
September 3, 2009 at 15:23
Ha Ha, now he is losing it with a QPR fan.
This really is great, it is a shame that he finishes at 4pm.
September 3, 2009 at 15:24
I think this is a case of the grass is always greener, look at Sturridge, Sinclair, Di Santo objectively and they are not even close to our very own Bentdner, Wilshire, or Vela !
We are quick to praise others and quicker to see negatives in what we have closer to home.
September 3, 2009 at 15:28
Now he is moaning about Mutu, A player they sacked and then wanted 14m from.
It is a shame this will be overturned, but I am going to enjoy it whilst it lasts.
September 3, 2009 at 15:29
A&N those guys dont play weekly. that is the problem
we are eating our bananas when they are green and calling it project youth
September 3, 2009 at 15:29
chelsea could be fucked here. Wasnt it abramovich who called platini and asked him to stop clubs that are spending beyond their means entering the champions league because he doesnt want to invest anymore money in transfers?? Thats why they are having a moan now at the youth system. Abramovich isnt going to be ploughing anymore cash into them so they wont be spending 150m in 3 days!
September 3, 2009 at 15:30
and no one on here questions vela or wilshere’s ability
September 3, 2009 at 15:31
What happened? WHy are chelsea not allowed to spend?
September 3, 2009 at 15:33
all teams in the prem have decent youngsters trying to break through
our first team is full of them
its part and parcel of football to have the impressive youngsters on the fringe of the first team
our problem is we are saturated with them thus robbing us of needed experience
September 3, 2009 at 15:33
Tapping up again Stu
September 3, 2009 at 15:34
vela or wilshere are proven premiership players. YET!!!
September 3, 2009 at 15:34
You mean teams get punished for tapping up? Thats news to me.
September 3, 2009 at 15:35
Pat
does this mean chelsea cant tap any of our youngens. Cant wait till Durham comes on and please gie that Jacobs shit…… its great radio
September 3, 2009 at 15:35
i mean unproven
September 3, 2009 at 15:36
It’s not even tapping up – they weren’t satisfied with tapping up, so went the step further in getting kakuta to just walk out on his contract and join chelsea!
September 3, 2009 at 15:38
Jacobs has called it Draconian, but they have been warned before, so it is their own fault.
September 3, 2009 at 15:40
He has said it again, that they should only be banned from tapping up er I mean buying youth players!!!!!
How does that punish them?
He says it is punishing Chav fans, and the senior players……
September 3, 2009 at 15:41
I never said our players were proven. My point is that Di santo and co look great because we never see them play apart from a highlight or so of something they do well!
Lets judge them by the very high standards we judge our youngsters by and then see if they are any good.
September 3, 2009 at 15:41
It’s completely different to ‘tapping up’.
From what i make of it, Chelsea encouraged/coerced/forced a 16yr old kid to walk out on his contract and join them.
September 3, 2009 at 15:41
Afternoon grovers!
So… this chelsea malarkey… is it for real?
September 3, 2009 at 15:42
This is hilarious. Diaby is a complete chump.
http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/26272/Diaby_injures_another_French_star_in_training.aspx
September 3, 2009 at 15:42
I saw a video of alex song , and he is great! He has skill and vision and he is everywhere on the field. He is a BEAST!!!!! He’s our new viera. WHat a player. If someone of you say that song is a player as denilson is. THAN YOU ARE FACKING STUPID!!! SONG IS JUST WHAT WE NEED!!!!!
September 3, 2009 at 15:43
Welcome back Pedro!
It’s been eerily quiet without you on here. I think people might actually be doing some work!
September 3, 2009 at 15:46
Sorry to get into middle of Chelsea thing but I was just in shower (where I do my best thinking) (I think its spelled thinking…) and in relation to Eduardo,
I hope we don’t appeal. Maybe there is something in this. The only problem I have is that UEFA have done this on media backlash and will not be consistant. Why have they not penalised Ashley Young dive for example.
The other thing is even if a player is yellow carded they should also receive a retrospective ban on the basis that the actual punishment is for “making an attempt to deceive the Referee”. Well even those players caught in the act by the Ref have committed the same offence. The fact they were seen by the Ref is neither here nor there. They have still made an attempt to deceive him. So even if you’re yellow carded for simulation you should therefore get a further ban (it would seem to me)
I would be happy with this:-
(1)Caught diving in a match by Ref = Yellow Card – followed by TVPanel review and if they verify it is a full on dive then this is increased to a 1 game ban.
(2) Caught diving in penalty area by Ref = Yellow Card – again followed by TVPanel and if verified this is increased to a 2 game ban.
(3) If a dive in penalty area is not caught by Ref and therefore a penalty is awarded and TV shows it was a blatant dive then, on basis that he has achieved a gain (penalty) then increase to 3 game ban.
The only thing is that in the above synopsis Eduardo would get 3 games. But for the greater good i’d take it if it were consistant…
Anyone agree?
September 3, 2009 at 15:48
I dont agree ooby. Why should a player be banned for 3 games for winning a penalty unfairly just because the referee didnt realise it was a dive. That would mean players getting punished because of a referees mistake.
September 3, 2009 at 15:48
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11800_5535793,00.html
September 3, 2009 at 15:49
*and what if the yellow for diving is the players second yellow. And they are suspended for 1 match already. SO the diving and sending off you mean a 2 match ban.
September 3, 2009 at 15:50
Ooby i think 2 and 3 should have the same length ban… Instead of a 3game ban if he wins the penalty, it should remain as 2 and the referee who awarded it should receive a 1game ban as well. Apart from that it looks pretty sensible.
September 3, 2009 at 15:51
Ooby I agree, but only if shirt pulls and intentional fouls are treated in exactly the same way.
And everytime a player calls for a throw in, goalkick or corner, when he’s obviously kicked it off himself it should be a yellow card on video evidence!
However none of this will happen, and regarding diving they won’t be consistent, so we should appeal it and Uefa should rescind the ban, though it’s a matter of principle rather than anything else as we could come top of our group with our carling cup team! Might even be a bonus as eduardo would be fresh for the league!
September 3, 2009 at 15:51
Dutchman i think its a little queer that you “saw a video” and are now claiming Song is Vieira without even showing us the video?
September 3, 2009 at 15:53
Chipo… I’m surprised its so quiet… maybe people are throwing street parties in celebration of the new contract signings?!
September 3, 2009 at 15:54
Was it an amsterdam video?
September 3, 2009 at 15:54
But Stu the precedent is now there. The Ref didnt see Eduardo dive but he was penalised retrospectively. So UEFA have made their bed. If Rooney dives against us and the Ref gives a penalty (as he wasnt good enough to judge otherwise) they get the penalty but at least I know if it is proven to be a dive he will be punished. UEFA have created a rod for their own back but if this were consistant it might eventually cut the incidents down.
As regards the 2nd yellow card then he gets sent off and receives an additional 1 or 2 game ban as necessary.
September 3, 2009 at 15:54
CHELSEA GOT A TRANSFER BAN FOR THE NEST 2 WINDOWS.
September 3, 2009 at 15:55
haha with the aging squad the chavs have, chelsea are fecked. Anyone know if there is any player in their squad whose contract runs out sometime soon. If so, what happens then. Will he still be on a free transfer ? I was pretty sure that they were planning to offload drogba ballack and carvalho sometime soon.
September 3, 2009 at 15:57
Maybe just bring it in for penalty incidents as it would otherwise be too difficult to administrate (which it would anyway probably) but lets face it none of us like it when it goes against us but I remember how livid ive been seeing Gerrard getting away with it in ECL and I wasnt supporting the other team…
September 3, 2009 at 15:57
But its so hard to prove its a dive. Even the “experts” were saying its impossible to prove Eduardo intended to dive. It was the same as Rooneys dive but with Rooney Almunia made it easy for the ref to give a pk because he eventually made contact.
Not all dives are easy to tell but i agree that it should be sorted out. But its gonna be very hard to do so.
September 3, 2009 at 15:57
They can still renew contracts Rohan. I agree though, I thought Drogba and Carvalho would have been going soon too. Hopefully they won’t get the sentence reduced or suspended on appeal.
September 3, 2009 at 15:58
Cue Abramovic leaving Chelsea in the winter.
One can dream, right ?
September 3, 2009 at 15:58
Its the hypocrisy. Will a ban like that have happened to Real Madrid? I think not.
September 3, 2009 at 15:59
Ooby I’d hate it if they did that. Diving is the only thing that’s focussed on, despite it being only a tiny way in which players cheat, but other things are overlooked because of the stupidity of the macho mentality in this country.
It should be the other way round, all cheating is equally bad, but if there was any way in which one type of cheating was worse than the other, it should be cheating to stop a goal be seen as worse than cheating to get a goal imo.
September 3, 2009 at 15:59
I’m think more about Rooney few years ago. I agree the one at weekend would not get past a panel but i’m talking about the more blatant ones (eg.s on YouTube etc) like Eboue’s which are truly embarrasing.
September 3, 2009 at 16:00
eduardo was fined for trying to con the referee
a shirt pull or intentional foul are different. there are already sanctions for them in a game a yellow or red card
a dive or feigning injury is trying to con referee same as a throw in, corner or Goal Kick claim but the last three are not as serious and therefore cant be treated with the same severity
September 3, 2009 at 16:00
Does this put a stop on loan deals too ?
September 3, 2009 at 16:00
If they did apply it to Madrid David Ronaldo would only feature in about 3 games the entire Champions League campaign!
September 3, 2009 at 16:00
No one can prove intent, Eduardo could easily say he jumped a tackle to avoid injury and considering his history who could argue against that ?
September 3, 2009 at 16:01
Pedro: I too bought my very own Wenger a while ago. It has made me tight as a duck’s arse with my margins. Profits grow by the day. On a postive note, the future looks very bright!
2nd in the league behind the Chavs, but we will win the “One with the Big Ears”. Goon to the Moon.
September 3, 2009 at 16:02
blatant diving to earn a penalty has to be the worst though and it should be singled out imo.
Dont get me wrong I dont want Eduardo out but since UEFA have created this shitstorm they better see it through
September 3, 2009 at 16:03
At least Eboue would miss most of season
September 3, 2009 at 16:03
the only solution to all this is better on the spot officiating which would be helped by having 5 officials as we wld have in europa cup and hopefully video evidence in the future
September 3, 2009 at 16:03
a shirt pull or intentional foul is deemed cheating, and a yellow card
a dive is deemed cheating, and a yellow card
if on video evidence they give out 2 game bans to divers, where the ref made the mistake, then they have to do the same for other types of cheating, which would have gotten the same punishment if the ref had spotted it….
shirt pulling, where defenders do it intentionally in such a way to hide it from the ref, is intent to deceive the ref as well as a foul too
September 3, 2009 at 16:04
Mickey, after buying a Wenger… I couldn’t justify purchasing a pen to compliment it… especially not at inflated WH Smith prices… I nicked one from Ladbrokes instead.
September 3, 2009 at 16:05
Tyhe extra 2 officials are only to help make decisions in the penalty box tho. They wouldnt be able to help with anything else so diving anywhere else it would still be up to the ref. I dont see the point of 2 more refs.
September 3, 2009 at 16:05
Ooby I have to disagree, diving to win a penalty is in no way different from getting away with a foul in the penalty area
September 3, 2009 at 16:05
Anyone read this??
Apparently UEFA will not look at any more dives. So they just did Eduardo coz of the media storm and the SFA’s sour grapes
http://football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5535065,00.html
September 3, 2009 at 16:05
Yeah Franchise it’ll be interesting how the Europa League trial goes
September 3, 2009 at 16:06
A, I agree with you but whats wrong with saying “We cant do it with all scenarios but we’re going to focus on penalty area diving”
September 3, 2009 at 16:07
I’m all for dives being eradicated from the game. But don’t you think a dangerous tackle or an intentional foul deserves some sort of punishment ? ( that is, if the ref does not pull it up )
Wenger was right in saying that this is going to open a whole new paradigm where every dubious decision or instance of foul play is going to be discussed. Whether it will be detrimental to the game as a whole still remains to be seen. In most cases, there is no black or white – the interspersion of grey in between will result in a whole lot of controversies imo especially if the new rules are not enforced both objectively and comprehensively. There are points where I think that UEFA have dug their own grave.
The jury is still out though.
In my opinion, the current system of the victimized team appealing is essentially flawed. Why should an offender on a winning team be treated differently from the same on a losing team. A better system would be to
have a real time appeal ( w/ quota ) system in place or a post-match review committee.
Just my opinion though.
September 3, 2009 at 16:07
albania Uefa have to reduce or suspend the ban then on appeal surely, or they’ve fucked up massively. Something like this could genuinely give us grounds to start legal proceedings against them!
September 3, 2009 at 16:08
A, it would be impossible to inpliment all of those things at once tho. Diving is hard enough to stamp out. If there were bans handed out for claiming corners and throw ins, pulling the shirt, feigning injury etc etc then half the world would be banned all season.
September 3, 2009 at 16:08
a shirt pull should be easier to spot by a referee the problem is referees are not consistent with giving such fouls
outside the area they are quick to blow their whistle
however if it happened in the area they become reluctant to blow
my point is a lot of players get away with shirt pulls cos the referees allow it
however with a dive most referees get it wrong cos they are harder to spot
September 3, 2009 at 16:09
Because all cheating should be treated equally Ooby. It isn’t any more difficult to spot fouls that weren’t given in the penalty area as it is to spot dives that were
September 3, 2009 at 16:10
Pedro: With my now enormous bank balance, the bank gave me an even more enormous company cheque book, but sadly there is no longer any room inside me Wenger.
September 3, 2009 at 16:10
If a shirt is pulled in the box…and the player dives to show the ref he was being fouled..what should happen there? Should it be a pk for the shirt pull or a free kick for the diving? Both players booked or neither?
September 3, 2009 at 16:10
Stu currently shirt pulling is on par with diving in terms of cheating in the Uefa rule book, both are meant to be an immediate yellow card.
If they use video evidence for one, then they have to for the other
September 3, 2009 at 16:11
Hah.. for everyone that thought that UEFA were going to clamp down on diving..
Told ya guys.. it was just a one off case.
September 3, 2009 at 16:12
A it should be but unfortunately if you cant focus on everything then focus on one of the main ones and take it from there.
September 3, 2009 at 16:12
PK and the fouler booked stu.
Diving is cheating because it’s deceiving the referee, going down in those situations isn’t diving or cheating, and I don’t have a problem with it, as it should be a penalty.
September 3, 2009 at 16:12
imo Chelsea will be fine for this season BUT the bans gonna hit them when they have players wanting to leave nxt summer.They’l hav to beg/pay over the odds to keep em This ban is going to effect them nxt season bigtime. The only plus side is that youth players will get more of a chance.
September 3, 2009 at 16:13
david, IT was a video from the celtic game and everton game where you saw vermealen and sog in the video! He is so great, isn’t it?? Don’t you agree??
September 3, 2009 at 16:14
Dutchman, 2 games does not make a vieira.
September 3, 2009 at 16:14
stu its because of the so called ’soft penalty’ that referees are reluctant to give penalties for shirt pulls
if refereeing is consistent which would never happen thesoft penalty thingy can be eliminated or stamped with a seal of approval
contact spots are harder to referee
if a ref spots a shirt pull in the area but the player dives to earn a pen the rightful thing to do if he spots all this is to book the player for diving but give him a pen
September 3, 2009 at 16:15
I’m sick of work, off to take children bodyboarding. Loving the school holidays and the Atlantic rollers, tides right, winds great. Endless excuses! Chin up folks.
September 3, 2009 at 16:15
2 games does not a vieira make.
(thats the way its supposed to be…right?)
September 3, 2009 at 16:17
Apparently we have appealed the ban/
September 3, 2009 at 16:17
Was just reading through some of yesterday’s post and I quite enjoyed the heated ” being English ” debate…
September 3, 2009 at 16:18
good good stu, surely we’ll get it off, or a suspended ban for eduardo
September 3, 2009 at 16:18
Have ye seen Rooney comdemning divers. Hypocricy(sp) at its greatest.
September 3, 2009 at 16:18
Official Club Statement – Eduardo and Uefa
The Club is in receipt of Uefa’s reasoned decision in relation to the charge against Eduardo.
We strongly believe that the decision taken is deeply flawed and not based on any forensic review of the video evidence available.
There are obvious errors and inconsistencies in Uefa’s judgment and we intend to appeal.
September 3, 2009 at 16:19
!!!!Arsenal have appealed against Eduardo’s ban.!!!!
September 3, 2009 at 16:19
ppl say babel dived against us in 07/08 CL but there was contact and his fall didnt defy the laws of physics unlike eduardo’s assuming there was minimal contact
September 3, 2009 at 16:21
Rooney a diver ?????????? A statement that borders on the blasphemous, eh.
September 3, 2009 at 16:22
Stu, don’t you think that song is great?? He is one of our best man. Against united he was great too!!
September 3, 2009 at 16:24
I think Song has been very good so far this season..but great? He needs to play well in a few more games to even be considered as great. A season or 2 more in fact.
September 3, 2009 at 16:24
That all said cant the Ref be of assistance here. Surely he has to report that he saw contact, right?
September 3, 2009 at 16:24
The Club Stated that today was supposed to be the day Uefa hand out a clear explanation for their actions and set a precedence for future rulings?
September 3, 2009 at 16:25
The Babel dive….Babel Initiated the contact. Much like Rooney did to Almunia.
September 3, 2009 at 16:25
Looks like Chelsea might get another fine.The FA have just announced that racial and sexual misdameaners on and off the pitch will lead to fines and loss of points.-Im sure i saw Drogba win the womens 800MM at the world games in Berlin????.
September 3, 2009 at 16:26
I think that song is now great and he works his socks off for fabregas and thats just what we need!!
September 3, 2009 at 16:26
Is CHELSEA’s youth academy/team any good?
September 3, 2009 at 16:27
Exactly franchise and isn’t the ref’s decision supposed to be final?
How can you retrospectively judge an incident?
September 3, 2009 at 16:27
Is the eduardo ban canceled????
September 3, 2009 at 16:31
Nope Dutchman.. they have appealed to the Uefa though.
September 3, 2009 at 16:32
Roma were banned for 2 transfer windows but got it reduced to 1 transfer window by the Court of Arbitration for buying Mexes when he was still under contract, so I guess Chelsea will get their punishment reduced.
September 3, 2009 at 16:32
KM, they are trying hard to get their youth team and academy up to scratch and pumping lots of money inot it but are yet to see dividends as far as I know. You would probably be better off asking an OBJECTIVE chelsea fan imo.
September 3, 2009 at 16:32
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/official-club-statement-eduardo-and-uefa
September 3, 2009 at 16:32
Isnt there anyway FIFA can get involved?
Appealing it to the same body that handed the ban doesnt seem like the brightest idea.
September 3, 2009 at 16:33
Rohan @ 16.17 – what time did this Massdebate occur? and who were involved?
September 3, 2009 at 16:39
babel didnt initiate contact
fabregas tugged him just outside the box then toure barged into him like a lunatic in the box
September 3, 2009 at 16:41
So who said that no can of worms was being opened by UEFA’s decision to retrospectively ban Eddy? Looks like UEFA have realised that and chickened out of following through on divers.
Anyone here surprised by that?
And everyone tells me I’m just a paranoid gooner.
September 3, 2009 at 16:41
A… this intentional fouling in the penalty area you are talking about is a bit lost on me… that must be the rarest occurance in football… I can’t think of an occasion where a player deliberately intends to foul someone in the box… 99% of the time it’s an accident, who’d intentionally try and do that, it’s not worth the risk.
September 3, 2009 at 16:43
Bonsoir Grovers.
Guys I have a question. If Celtic had played Utd instead of us and Rooney dived, would the idiot from the SFA called UEFA for Rooney to be banned?
I dont think so, because he would have been S**t scared of Fergusion.
Wenger needs to toughen up a bit. He should also ban the media like Ferguson and Allardyce.
September 3, 2009 at 16:44
DUTCHMAN @ 16.26.if SONG gets injured longterm,we are Fcuked!i think we should get an older DM in the winter – how abt M.Diarra on loan frm R.Madrid?he’s experienced, played for a top club so he can handle pressure.
September 3, 2009 at 16:44
Wtf was toure thinking
September 3, 2009 at 16:44
i dont understand chary how have they chickened out?
September 3, 2009 at 16:45
I must admit, this is the first time my attention has been drawn to that supposed dive… didn’t look like a dive to me… it looked like the reason we flogged calamity Kolo.
September 3, 2009 at 16:45
gooner786 why would scottish fa exec be scared of ferguson? u guys take this everybody hates arsenal thingy too far
September 3, 2009 at 16:46
Pedro it happens in every single game, diving is far more rare! Players holding others back when trying to attack a header for example, defenders are constantly just holding attacking players in the box, which is an intentional foul. Every single time a player brings down someone in the box, doesn’t get the ball, but claims to have gotten the ball, or claims the attacker dived, he’s intentionally trying to deceive the referee
September 3, 2009 at 16:49
Fran – I surmised from the earlier posts that UEFA were treating it as a one off and they wouldn’t be making reviewing dives a regular event, as they have for Eddy. If that’s not the case then scratch what I said but I looked at the link Maciek provided ands that seems to be what UEFA have decided to do.
So – are they going to be looking at all dives in future or not ?
September 3, 2009 at 16:49
franchise.. you seriously think if rooney would’ve dived.. the SFA would’ve even said a word…
Alex ferguson would have scared the living daylights out of them.
Why else would they not look at further cases of diving.
Seems like wenger did stifle a couple of feathers in the UEFA stating that the scots in the organisation influenced the decision.
September 3, 2009 at 16:55
Ferguson has got too much power in football. He even picks the refs the haggis eating bloodclot.
I’ve HAGGIS enough of him!
September 3, 2009 at 16:57
The thing is i would put money on us having the best possible legal representation.
They will make toast of UEFA im sure.
September 3, 2009 at 16:57
if eduardo dived when the score was 2-0 up as opposed to 0-0 26mins it wouldnt have been such a big deal
sometimes circumstances matter
its not like we played celtic off the park at their ground both GK had nothing to do but we scored two freak goals
uefa had no choice but to react to the scottish fa complaints and media uproar
it wasnt just any game. the game was worth at least 25m
i have seen arsenal gain and suffer from dives. when u suffer we are quick to scream but when we gain we just go coy
September 3, 2009 at 17:00
KM,
I dont understand why you think Chelseas players are gonna want to leave next summer?
Is it just wishful thinking?
They are better paid than any club in europe, they will undoubtedly be competitive, why would they suddenly want to leave?
September 3, 2009 at 17:01
the simple truth is if eduardo was english the media wont have made such a fuss about it. its a media flaw not UEFA’s
the same way if walcott wasnt english he would have been criticised heavily by the media for being unimpressive
September 3, 2009 at 17:02
Franchise,
I totally agree with the ban, have been waiting for that decision for years.
However i cant understand the witch-hunt, ive seen 100 dives in the last few years go unpunished, and 100 more just recieve yellows.
September 3, 2009 at 17:05
Hey All
Pedro can I pick up on a post you made yesterday along the lines of ‘you start to sound like you want us to lose’. I agree completely.
When some people make pessimistic forecasts with what seems to be a great deal of confidence and (negative?) belief, I also wonder how they rationalise that.
No one likes to be wrong, so do they then hope there prediction comes true. And what happens if they are proved wrong and we either win the Pl or go very close..?? Do they feel great that we won, but a little stoopid that they were wildly wrong all along.
The flip side is that some of us feel we can win the PL and if we fall well short we will be very disappoiinted which is exactly how we should feel. Would a ‘doomer’ feel vindicated in some way…? Would that be right or a little odd..??
You see micro scenarios of this when someone like the Somali Pirate plays well, or when Denilson smashed one home from 25. There’s clearly some players who some fans refuse to support. I just wonder how deep it runs, and if that can extend to the whole team….
September 3, 2009 at 17:05
Franchise I disagree about Theo – I don’t think he would have been criticised heavily, but he just wouldn’t have been ridiculously hyped up and overrated so early in his career.
September 3, 2009 at 17:10
How can a footballing body be influenced by the Media?
I’m not saying that they can’t, I’m just questioning it.
September 3, 2009 at 17:12
Babel Initiated contact by stretching his Arms out wide…and went down at the slighted touch. The so called “Contact” was on his arm and not towards his body if that was a penalty then Hleb and Fabregas shouldve had penalties alll day everyday?
September 3, 2009 at 17:12
in the last year if u follwed the media u would think cristiano ronaldo and drogba are the only divers in the prem
why?
apart from the fact that they are very fond of going down too easily they dont get any protection from the media simply because they arent……..
this is an ex-manc and present chelsea player we are talking about. wonder why u meet fans from all teams and they all think they are witch hunted by the press and organisations
evra gets ban for fighting at bridge
rio apparently kicks a steward in the face after the same game and nothing happens
September 3, 2009 at 17:14
Franchise
Platini hates Wenger that is a fact. Platini instigated the Eduardo ban. Ashley Young dived against Vienna. How’s his ban coming along?
September 3, 2009 at 17:18
Yes.. but the point being they didn’t get banned for diving.
September 3, 2009 at 17:19
the truth like i pointed out last week is the media are quick to protect english players and also quick to vilify non english players
its cos apart from their club allegiances assuming they all support some club they also want the england to do well in intl competitions
that is why JW development would be more of interest to them than say denilson’s or vela’s
in that sense they would love arsenal until johnny foreigner gets into the spotlight for the wrong reasons
having said that they did like henry until the accusations about disappearing in big games.
September 3, 2009 at 17:20
Rooney dived against us. The difference is he was much more convincing than Eduardo because he obviously practices it more.
September 3, 2009 at 17:25
platini also hates lithuania cos a player of theirs got retrospective bans for diving 2 years ago
it would have been worse if uefa did nothing cos i cant remember a game where a there was such a big deal about a dive
a lot of us never knew of the article 10. now we know let us see where this takes the game to
like craig gordon said the dive was worth it
September 3, 2009 at 17:28
Doesn’t take the game anywhere.. next case to be heard two years from now!
September 3, 2009 at 17:31
September 3, 2009 at 17:33
would chelsea have got a transfer ban if lens didnt make a formal complaint about makuta?
would mutu have been asked to pay chelsea 17m euros if chelsea didnt make a complaint?
would chelsea, a.cole, pini zahavi have been banned and fined if arsenal didnt lodge a formal complaint?
how about roma when they got a transfer ban over Mexes?
see the trend developing
the bodies in charge react when they are compelled to
mostly by official complaints been lodged
these things happen too often to act on. that is why the best way to prevent this is better on the spot officiating. then lets see how platini’s hatred of arsene would affect us
September 3, 2009 at 17:34
choy from that video i just wonder what stand the sniper was
September 3, 2009 at 17:36
the article says that players MAY be charged for conning the referee
not will, shall, must
September 3, 2009 at 17:37
The minutest contact would have brought him down. he should study how the great players leave thier feet on the floor and start going down before the contact to make sure there is contact.
September 3, 2009 at 17:38
if i have anything against the governing bodies it is the refusal to implement video technology
fifa are so traditional for whatever reasons i dont know
uefa are implementing the 5 match officials in europa cup lets see if it makes any difference
September 3, 2009 at 17:42
I think video technology for ll it’s benefits will take something out of the game. I’d rather money is spent to train refs better or something. I think football is a game and in the end human error is a big part of any game.
September 3, 2009 at 17:45
LOL^
“i think football is a game”
September 3, 2009 at 17:52
Sharkeysure 17.05, great point…
Heck if we have Drogba in our fantasy team we’d want him to score, unless it’s against us. Everyone loves to be right. So i agreesometimes there can be a clash of interests.
September 3, 2009 at 17:54
STATEMENT ON FIFA SANCTIONS
Posted on: Thu 03 Sep 2009
Chelsea Football Club has issued the following statement:
Chelsea will mount the strongest appeal possible following the decision of FIFA’s Dispute Resolution Chamber over Gaël Kakuta.
The sanctions are without precedent to this level and totally disproportionate to the alleged offence and the financial penalty imposed.
We cannot comment further until we receive the full written rationale for this extraordinarily arbitrary decision.
September 3, 2009 at 17:54
it might take something out of the game but referees need help
goal line technology for starters wont be bad
basketball has 3 officials to oversee 10 players at a time covering 28.65m x 15.24m. none of them are linesmen
football has one official covering the the outfield and two linesmen, 22 players and standard 105m x 68m
it makes no sense
September 3, 2009 at 17:55
I’m sorry Fran I’m not having that – a dive is a dive irrespective of circumstances and who the injured parties are. You either apply the same rules to all matches or none otherwise you end up with degrees of importance.
Like would It matter if it was 1-1 ? With 10 minutes to go or 80 ? If we’d played fairly well and looked like probably going through – do you retrospectively punish or not?
Also your point about “media uproar” – just how much of it should there be before it’s deemed important enough to retrospectively punish? 5 minutes on the post match analysis? 10 minutes, 15?
You either punish all or none otherwise you’re going to look foolish and inconsistent, which is what UEFA now look.
September 3, 2009 at 17:56
standard 105m x 86m area i meant
September 3, 2009 at 17:56
Fran, Gooner786 is saying that the SFA are more likely to be sensitive to the most successful current manager from Scotland than a whinging frenchman.
Simples.
September 3, 2009 at 18:02
Goal line technology makes sense, a linesman can’t be expected to be in a good position to judge a possible offside and the goal line.
However i’m not for video technology for fouls etc.
The hawk eye thing in cricket for judging LBW puts almost every decision in doubt.
The LCD advertisement boards are about all the technology i can handle in football.
September 3, 2009 at 18:02
Cheers Mayank….I was begining to feel a little ignored.
It has always puzzled me how some fans can be so defeatist. Your sarcastic post earlier wasn’t picked up as sarcasm by one or two cos it somehow rang a little true based on what you sometimes read here.
September 3, 2009 at 18:06
Sharkey… it’s the, ‘we’re only doing well because the teams we’re playing are having off days’ attitude… there is plenty of time to be miserable as a football fan… at least wait until things go down the shitter before getting worked up about it!
Last year it felt shite from the off and most of the way through the year… I refuse to feel that way until I absolutely have to this year…
September 3, 2009 at 18:07
… and don’t get me wrong, I am all for high emotion and honest opinion when things are bad… but so far, I think it’s looking ok!
September 3, 2009 at 18:08
a dive is a dive i agree that all divers should be punished if not by the referee for spotting it then retrospectively
eduardo has been scape goated and with the overall circumstances surrounding the incident i dont blame scottish fa for making a big deal out of it and i dont blame uefa for banning him
kapish!
say it was a side like inter we faced and the reverse happened to us after loosing the home tie to two freak goals i can imagine the response on here
but cos its celtic and u all reckon that it we would have qualified anyway then its meant to be different
that is the closest the celts would have tgo justice cos the game cant be played again anyway. i feduardo didnt dive the match could have ended 10-0 to us or 0-2 to them no one knows.
September 3, 2009 at 18:09
LOL Sharkey,
That wasn’t really a sarcastic post, it was just a collection of criticisms for all the different players in our first choice team by grovers. Every player in our team has his harsh critics who will not see any good in him. Bar Cesc and Arsh perhaps. Cesc because he’s courted by all the biggest team in the world so they can’t all be wrong and Arsh ’cause he hasn’t been here long enough.
September 3, 2009 at 18:10
Fran, I agree that he should have been banned for the dive… but UEFA can’t leave it at that… this has to be a precedent… they have to treat everyone with equality.
Like this Chavski ban… they have to make sure everyone is dealt with the same if they are going to enforce this punishment.
September 3, 2009 at 18:11
Pedro. Lovely notebook cover. what make is it?
September 3, 2009 at 18:12
It’s a ‘Wenger’ Raddy… note pad heaven some say…
September 3, 2009 at 18:12
and never did scottish FA imply that they were protesting cos our coach wasnt ferguson
i fully 100% understand their sentiments. they felt robbed. at 0-0 whether u like it or not they were still in the game
fine lets assume that we were the better team and we deserved to win even without the penalty what makes u sure that the same freak goals that made us loose to manu couldnt have happened on that wednesday?
the better team doesnt always win
September 3, 2009 at 18:13
franchise celtic had 2 shots on goal…
I think we could put ethan’s house on the line that they would never get a result at the emirates.
September 3, 2009 at 18:13
Also about the dive(surprisingly a gate hasn’t been added to it to make it dive gate by the hacks yet), as i’d mentioned in a post and also Pedro in one of his the ban is for the ref’s inability rather than the die itself. A dive merits a yellow if spotted and a straight red if it’s good enough?
September 3, 2009 at 18:14
Can one buy a Wenger, if one is not a Club Level S/T holder? I am deeply envious
September 3, 2009 at 18:17
The video evidence above makes me question if it was a dive. Either way, AFC should fight it because it is such a stupid precedent to set.
September 3, 2009 at 18:17
What if the ref gets it wrong and sends off someone by mistake?
September 3, 2009 at 18:17
You can indeed Raddy, follow the link to stationary nirvana…
http://tinyurl.com/n7xc5c
September 3, 2009 at 18:17
Franchise Celtic aren’t the Scottish FA though – if it had been the other way round then I very much doubt the English FA would have stepped in, and likewise if it was Utd who had beaten Celtic, then I very much doubt the condemnation from the FA would have been the same
September 3, 2009 at 18:18
that was my point pedro. its not like it was the first time uefa were banning a player retro… for diving
September 3, 2009 at 18:19
Mowbray said: “I have not seen a re-run of it, so I cannot sit here and complain about it. However, you cannot deny that over the two legs, Arsenal had more quality and deserved to go through.”
September 3, 2009 at 18:20
Mayank, Ped,
Everton was viewed as ‘tough start’, and many thought a draw would be a good result. For 25mins it was fairly even.
Since the ManU loss its been revised to Everton being shite. I expect that from meeja mugs..but not from our own fans.
I’m not seeing too many problems at the the mo…cos even with some pretty decent players out, so far we’ve had a cracking start, although there’s been a little too much drama and controversy for my liking.
September 3, 2009 at 18:20
if the english fa dont come to our aid when we need them its cos they are shit
u think the scots would have given a fuck who stood before them and 50% of their yearly revenue
September 3, 2009 at 18:20
Really, this is a good time to start putting the case for video evidence on the table…
Maybe teams have two calls a game or something… and if the ref needs another look, he can go to the video adjudicator…
Too much rides on football to carry on along the lines of, ‘you win some, you lose some’…
September 3, 2009 at 18:20
‘pretty decent players OUT’ !!!
September 3, 2009 at 18:21
choy united had 0 shots
September 3, 2009 at 18:22
Look Man i know its off topic, but i was looking at clips from the invinsible era and started wondering what happened to ljumberg, pires, edu, gilberto were they all offered shitty contracts and basically told to fuck off. what happened. Man I feel like killing someone.
September 3, 2009 at 18:22
Yeah, the real test is always how you come back from a loss… if we beat City convincingly… confidence will be sky high and we can crack on.
September 3, 2009 at 18:24
I thought you were joking Pedro. It really is the pinnacle of stationery achievement . My order has been placed.
I await my Wenger with bated breath
September 3, 2009 at 18:25
stop comparing utd to celtic!
September 3, 2009 at 18:26
‘fine its a dive but its ferguson’s team’
September 3, 2009 at 18:28
September 3, 2009 at 18:29
Video evidence is so obvious, but we have UEFA . A body that rejected the chip in the ball to ascertain if the ball has crossed the line which is hardly cutting edge technology.
However, even with video evidence it is hard be categorical as to whether it is a dive or not. As such, surely Eduardo is innocent.
September 3, 2009 at 18:29
why choy? united were as much as a threat as celtic were
u see why they say goals change games. diaby’s OG morally killed the united game
almost the same way eduardo’s pen killed the celtic tie
September 3, 2009 at 18:30
It’s the double standards that annoy me, if we play bad and win then people complain about the performance if we play well and lost then the same people say “the scoreline doesn’t lie”. Double standards to prove that the team you support, contrary to popular belief, is indeed shit. That’s twisted thinking right there.
They say Wenger loves to say ‘I told you so’, well not more than any of us, but at least when Wenger says it we’re doing well.
September 3, 2009 at 18:31
no doubt roman will send his goons round to the leader of fifa and uefa to uplift the ban,shlaggggggs
September 3, 2009 at 18:32
Mayank double standards or not ppl are pissed off cos of the cobwebs in our emirates cabinet
and our sofa of CA$H
September 3, 2009 at 18:33
The Eduardo pen didn’t kill the Celtic tie, the two goals in the first leg did, we would’ve won by a minimum two goals in that game even if the penalty decision had been down our end of the pitch! Celtic are worse than our reserve team, even Mowbray said that the penalty decision had no bearing on the outcome of the game.
September 3, 2009 at 18:33
Franchise that’s not even the point. The point is how do you judge whether a player dove(dived?) or was avoiding contact. Esp. in eddy’s case. Also he never appealed for the pen, it was given by the ref. We know it was a dive, but the evidence would never hold up in any court of law.
September 3, 2009 at 18:34
one question, how is video evidence going to help OFFSIDE calls.
teams suffer more from wrong offside calls the most IMO
September 3, 2009 at 18:34
Master B why did you have to post that…you’ll have Fran going into overdrive !!!!
For me Ljungberg did very littlein his final two years with us, partly due to no Bergkamp, but also injuries.
Gilberto, although I love him, did not look the part when he got his chances in the ‘Flump’ season (07-08), so it made sense to let him go, albeit 3yrs later, and he had good seasons post 2004 as well.
Likwise Pires didn’t leave til 2006, and had tough competition from Reyes in his final season.
I loved Edu….he’s the one I would have pulled out all the stops for, everyone else who left I have no real problem with, ie Lauren > Eboue, Cole > Clichy, Fab > Paddy V, Henry > Ade/RVP….
Some of them won titles elsewhere but didn’t (imho) reach the same heights that we’d seen
September 3, 2009 at 18:35
Very true Mayank… proving intent is a tough cookie… especially in sport.
Calculating murder and manslaughter is tough enough… but in the heat of sport… it’s almost impossible…
September 3, 2009 at 18:37
that is for u A. why did celtic bother turning up if the tie was over.
i bet at 87mins chelsea v barca 08/09 semis u would have said tie over
we lost to fucking hull after going a goal up last year, would u have predicted that?
September 3, 2009 at 18:38
Everyone has a right to be pissed off Franchise, but that doesn’t make it right. Fine we haven’t won anything, so berating the team and Wenger will give us a trophy? Is spending in the transfer window the only wasy to win? When we sold Henry were we not a better team the next season? Just because the majority of the team in the world are choosing to buy success doesn’t make it the only way.
September 3, 2009 at 18:39
its easy to dismiss celtic but the fact remains that of all our games so far they have been the most solid side we have faced and we have played mancs and everton
September 3, 2009 at 18:40
buy success. oh AKBs
September 3, 2009 at 18:40
even when henry left we still won f.a
September 3, 2009 at 18:41
I disagree Pedro.
Rooney’s *professional’ dive was undoubtedly intended. He saw the Blondie coming and dropped his foot on him.
Dudu didn’t have time to make that type of decision, so to my mind, the charge that he was trying to deceive the Ref was nonsense.
September 3, 2009 at 18:42
if we dont need to buy success the board can start by reducing ticket prices cos they dont really need the cash. what do they need it for?
September 3, 2009 at 18:42
Fran…at times I really struggle to see the logic of some of your arguments/posts. It sometimes seems that you are simply playing devils advocate.
Celtic…tough opponents. Tie not dead with 2 away goals…its not like were 2-0 up against the Chavs or Barca. Its CELTIC for crying out loud.
September 3, 2009 at 18:43
dudu was shot by a scot that is why he flew so far
September 3, 2009 at 18:43
No of course the Chelsea Barca tie wasn’t over! Celtic turned up because they had to! They didn’t hold any realistic hope of winning, they’re no better than Hull, and we’d beaten them by 2 goals at their place, where they’re about 3 times as good as they are away from home! Celtic was a walkover, we rested players, and thrashed them playing in 2nd gear, if they’d scored we could have upped it 2 or 3 gears and destroyed them, the penalty decision had no influence on the result of the tie, even their manager said as much
September 3, 2009 at 18:44
By saying ‘buy success’ i mean investing a lot of money in players that are past their developmental stage. ‘oh AKBs’ is just a way to avoid having to put up a real arguement.
And BBK i said we were a better team, not that we won.
September 3, 2009 at 18:45
Raddy…there was a time when for a Pen you had to have the chance of retaining possesion taken from you. That ball was knocked so far in front of Rooney, he was never gonna get a second touch, unless he entered the stands
Compare that to Eddy touching the ball on by 3-4 yds
September 3, 2009 at 18:45
Come on Franchise…..
I think you are just being contrary. Who could REALLY imagine that Celtic were still in the tie. They had to score 3 unanswered goals. They didn’t have a shot on target in the first leg and only one in the second. The penalty made no difference whatsoever to the result.
Do you honestly beileve that Celtic would beat MU? Honestly?
September 3, 2009 at 18:45
Celtic that have beat Milan, Barca, Mancs in CL are no better than Hull
is this another almunia is no worse than Cech moment?
September 3, 2009 at 18:47
ive said it several times already whether u like it or not at 0-0 at emirates celtic were still in the tie
September 3, 2009 at 18:49
buying players that are past their development stage is now a crime or am i missing a point here MAyank?
September 3, 2009 at 18:49
thats was a classic from a earlier….
September 3, 2009 at 18:49
SS. Rooney had no chance of retaining the ball after he knocked it past Blondie. Therefore he dived. Sure there was contact, but he created a penalty. That is pre-meditated. Dudu’s wasn’t.
We need a change of rules to eradicte this type of pen. What is the keeper meant to do – stay on his line? Almunia dived with his hands close to his body, fully aware of the possibility of Rooney taking advantage, and trusting the Ref had a brain …. he was wrong.( But then so was Blondie for rushing out.)
September 3, 2009 at 18:50
LOL franchise, if Arsenal reduced ticket prices ‘under-achieving’ would be alright? The ticket prices however high are not something you are forced to pay. Its simple supply and demand. Where the money goes is anyones guess, i’d say it goes into servicing the debt, there’s a looming danger of action being taken on clubs under large debt by the FIFA.
Also ticket price is not directly proportional to the no of trophies fans are entitled to. The the sunderland fan who pays as much as a liverpool fan should ask for the same success on the pitch.
September 3, 2009 at 18:50
yes in the world of arsenal it is franchise they couldn’t possibly make any money could they
September 3, 2009 at 18:51
are we now a player farm? my advice is mind the crap AFC propaganda machine feeds you.
September 3, 2009 at 18:51
Fran I don’t like it !!
You shoud have looked at the ‘in play’ odds of Celtic going thru at the time of the penalty.
Not sure anyone’s taking you seriously with this /celtic had a chance.
I repeat Raddy’s line…. 3 unanswered goals !!!
C’mon, time to concede now surely
September 3, 2009 at 18:53
No Franchise it is not a crime you are totally missing the point of what i said. I said that buying success is one of the ways not the only way. By that i meant that buying players past their developmental stage is one way of building a team but it’s not the only way and perhaps what we’re doing may also be one of the ways. Only thing that’s for sure is there is no sure-fire way.
September 3, 2009 at 18:53
OK Franchise. You believe that Celtic were in the tie at 2-0 down away from home. You are the only one. Even their own manager disagreed with you.
September 3, 2009 at 18:54
and yes celtic has been the most solid side we have faced so far this season
we didnt have the first leg easy at all, both keepers had nothing to do
we should have beaten mancs last week but too many developing players in the side
September 3, 2009 at 18:56
well its sure a hell this way of winning is not working for us,i think the buying route is the best bet in todays game
September 3, 2009 at 18:56
Raddy…its all about Almunia knowing better at his age, he knows he’s at OT, and he should know what Rooney’s like.
Like I say refs USED to look where/how far the ball went
September 3, 2009 at 18:57
You surprise me BBK !
September 3, 2009 at 18:57
Cech has been shocking since his injury, he’s pants now, and i’m sure he has cost Chelsea more goals than Almunia has us in the last 2 seasons!
Yeah Hull and Chelsea are a similar standard, playing teams in the group stage is very different to knockout games, how many times have they beaten big teams in knockout??
It wasn’t 0-0, we were 2-0 up in the tie, with both of those being away goals at their place.
Hull stayed up last season, Celtic would struggle to imo in the prem
September 3, 2009 at 18:57
why raddy????
September 3, 2009 at 18:58
if i use ur logic then anytime we have a deficit to chase in the CL against a team that is better than us on paper then we should just give up
when the Italians were the powerhouses in Europe we went to San Siro and won 4-1 against Inter a game we needed to win to stay top and avoid the other table toppers
September 3, 2009 at 18:58
SS. Perhaps Platini’s idea of having more than one Ref has legs. Something has to change, and a behind the goal ref is a beginning.
September 3, 2009 at 18:59
BBK …. that you would think buying is the best policy ….
September 3, 2009 at 19:00
5-1 it was not 4-1
September 3, 2009 at 19:00
Franchise on paper the difference between us and the very best team in Europe, Barca is less than half of the difference between us and Celtic, but if Barca came to the Emirates and beat us 2-0, I still wouldn’t be very confident going to the Camp Nou, but much more confident than Celtic coming to us with that scoreline!
September 3, 2009 at 19:01
why would that surprise you
September 3, 2009 at 19:01
Franchise the group stages are very very different to knockout.
September 3, 2009 at 19:02
I disagree about Cech A
He’s prone to the odd mistake but i’ve seen him save chelsea’s ass too many times for me to say he’s been pants.
September 3, 2009 at 19:02
Fingers crossed Raddy….behind the goal they can read players movements and intentions(?) a lot better than if the same player is runnig away from you
September 3, 2009 at 19:04
and what if the refs behind the goal disagree with each other?
September 3, 2009 at 19:05
you run a poll out of all the top 4 keepers and ask different set of fans who they would vote for and im sure almoonia would end up bottom of the pile
September 3, 2009 at 19:05
Before the Ronaldo dive and freekick against us we still had a chance. But oh i forgot that was Man u they’d have beaten us anyway. And Ronaldo probably didn’t dive either.
September 3, 2009 at 19:06
circumstances were even worse we lost two and drew one of our opening 3 games. we were bottom with 1 point
we had to win at san siro to have any realistic chances of qualifying. no one gave us a chance at san siro
match day 4 we won 5-1 at san siro
5 – 1
September 3, 2009 at 19:08
that reminds me .. we need to cut out the free kicks we keep giving just outside the box.
we’ve conceded far too often from set pieces and thinking back it was almnunia again at the near post!
September 3, 2009 at 19:08
group stage and knockouts are different in that knockout could offer more shocks if anything
arsenal being knocked out by PSV for example
September 3, 2009 at 19:10
Mayank using SS, A, BR logic no way we would have gotten back into that tie cos united were the best team in the world and we were just a team targetting 4th
September 3, 2009 at 19:11
BBK Almunia is no worse than Cech what are u saying?
September 3, 2009 at 19:11
mayank he still makes awesome saves, but makes really poor errors, he flaps like anything nowadays, one in every three crosses he comes for and misses, he lost his bottle. Understandable after the injury he suffered but still takes alot away from his goalkeeping ability
Yeah I agree bbk, but if you spoke to chelsea fans they’d rate cech as much lower than most non chelsea fans rate him. Likewise van der sar. Reina probably the opposite, Liverpool fans rate him higher than the media/other fans do, going on about him flapping etc.
September 3, 2009 at 19:12
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8236483.stm
Rooney is now being paraded as a paragon of footballing virtue across the media. Were are all the defenders of truth and justice now Oliver Holt, Sean Custis and Henry Winter are nowhere to be seen to point out that Rooney has numerous dives against his name.Ask Sol Campbell or Dawson has Wayne ever took a tumble. A cursary glance at youtube proves the rubbish he spouted today is a complete and utter lie but thats okay he plays for Man U and England.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cmpozcslIA&feature=related
September 3, 2009 at 19:14
Well.. franchise.. even celtic’s manager disagrees who watches them everday doesn’t agree with you.
September 3, 2009 at 19:15
lol.. what is that supposed to mean
i mean even mowbray doesn’t agree with you!
September 3, 2009 at 19:15
SS, Raddy, A when Park scored at Emirates last season in CL, knowing we had to score 3 to go through did u believe we could do it or not?
September 3, 2009 at 19:16
Franchise there was a chance, because we were at a similar level to Utd, even though I didn’t think it was likely we still had a chance. If it had been Wigan who were in that situation then I wouldn’t have given them any chance at all, which is the equivalent of Celtic against us.
September 3, 2009 at 19:16
Celtic manager has stayed too long in the minnows he has small manager mentality.
if not he wont have said that crap. the pen killed the little hope they had if he cant see that he should go back to WBA
September 3, 2009 at 19:17
You think before ladyboy dived we still had a chance?
Didn’t read anything to that effect ever from your side.
September 3, 2009 at 19:18
similar level last season are u ok?
September 3, 2009 at 19:20
Getting promoted, scoring the most goals on the way.. yes of course.
We’ll agree to disagree..
September 3, 2009 at 19:22
Yes we beat them 2-1 earlier in the PL, Man utd.. just won 1 of the games against the top4.
September 3, 2009 at 19:25
aston villa are also on our level cos they beat us at our home and we drew at theirs
maybe they are a level above then
September 3, 2009 at 19:29
Have a look at this kind of funny!
September 3, 2009 at 19:35
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September 3, 2009 at 19:37
Exactly at 2-0 down last season you’d give Villa a chance ’cause they weren’t at a very different level. And they did come back from that scoreline. Hence proved.
September 3, 2009 at 19:38
Fran. Scoring 3 goals was not beyond us, but to do it unanswered was a tall ask.
But please donlt compare our beloved Arsenal to Celtic (via our Milan recovery) in this way, its ridiculous.
You’re comments are getting a bit trollish now. I don’t know why you’ve got half an ST at the Emirates, you sound like you should half each of one at Parkhead at OT.
Until you called my name twice on this, I really though I’d made my last comment on it. I cannot believe you’ve dragged this notion out even this far, ignoring even the comments of the Celtic manager !!
HOnestly this is getting silly now…
September 3, 2009 at 19:39
Edu left and inhabited the treatment room at Valencia for two years. Flamini proved to be a one season wonder. Hleb kept a lovely shine on the Barca bench and wished he’d never dreamt of playing for Barcelona. The truth is Wenger gets the best out of ordinary players who think they are world beaters.
September 3, 2009 at 19:43
I hear ya TomRom,and if he gets a good player then they become worldbeaters
September 3, 2009 at 19:58
Tom, he doesn’t take ordinary players… he takes players of the highest technical ability and fits them into a jigsaw…
Hleb, Edu and Flamini were not ordinary players…
On the Edu thing… just because he got injured at Valencia, doesn’t mean he would have got injured with us…
September 3, 2009 at 20:05
Edu was one of my fave players…kept it so simple but so effective. Super efficient in everything that he did.
I thought Hleb was a top player too, dunno why he thought he’d get a look in at Barca.
Flam was a fighter, not technically the best, but a real winner, and a real asset to any team if used in the right way.
September 3, 2009 at 20:13
SS im very objective whether it concerns Arsenal or not
September 3, 2009 at 20:16
Tom Rom
I certainly hope so…because Denilson has looked nothing but Ordinary to me.
September 3, 2009 at 20:17
its not like we are a mix of different club fans here. lets save ourselves some crap please. no one is here to prove if they are the best fan or not its not the objective of the blog
September 3, 2009 at 20:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cmpozcslIA
Rooney the serial diver
September 3, 2009 at 20:19
try that again
September 3, 2009 at 20:19
im gettin old…
am i the only one who loved John Radford and thought Charlie George was way ahead of his time…didnt care much about Pires though..and Bergkamp well he was a slow starter…but then wow..Brady most have had the best left foot in the world…i miss Tony Adam’s cheeky smile everytime he had buried a forward…but most importantly i think the squad we have right now actually has the potential to be the best we have had yet….and i know there is close to impossible to judge players from different times…its just a growing feelin i have…
sorry to barge in from the cold like this
Tom
September 3, 2009 at 20:19
I was a big fan of Edu, I think he was gutted to leave us, and I think his tears walking around the ground on the last day of the season showed that.
I wonder if he had known that Vieira was off that summer would have changed his mind.
Wenger gets the best out of players and I bet if he had stayed that we would have been better for it, and Edu would have had more Brazil caps.
Hleb again, thought he was a good player and goal scoring was the only thing missing. God knows what he was thinking last summer, he was never going to break into that team. At least he has the balls to admit it now. I would take him back.
Flam was a player that every team needs. Thought of him in the same veign as Grimandi. Never a world beater but a player that will consistently give you 110% week in week out. Again I would take him back. Instead though I can see his career fizzle out in Serie A and he will probably end up in a club like Udinese or Napoli.
September 3, 2009 at 20:19
I think it is because of this youth project that we have going on.. we’re very very harsh on such young players…
Does anyone even know how good henry, bergkamp, pires were at 20, 21?
September 3, 2009 at 20:21
Choy, Bergkamps goalscoring record was worse than Bendtner at 21…
September 3, 2009 at 20:21
ill be here all season with u guys. everything u say will be used against u in the court of franch
let me hear anyone of u complain about results when we suffer from dives
what is good for the goose is good for the gander
September 3, 2009 at 20:24
choy….these players are no longer 20, 21.
Theyre a year older now.
September 3, 2009 at 20:29
Point is. There shld be no more excuse for inexperience. And Wenger is still blaming our loses on inexperience.
September 3, 2009 at 20:29
its wenger’s obsession with youth that the players are criticized so heavily
September 3, 2009 at 20:31
is this what I think it is?
Namely, an aging Chelsea unable to sign new players for a couple of transfer windows.
Also, on the subject of chanting and exposing kids to it…
last time I was in England I went to the Portsmouth away game, enjoyed the very loud away supporters
particularly the “Is there a fire drill” as the home fans filed out early
what I also found amusing was the kid next to me asking her Dad, “Does the referee work in a bank?”
September 3, 2009 at 20:32
that is why we should go for bergkamps not bendtners
21 then when he gets one good season he remembers barca is his dream club
September 3, 2009 at 20:32
the this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/8236187.stm
September 3, 2009 at 20:32
hehe pedro.. good stat that
September 3, 2009 at 20:34
U sure about that Pedro?
I keep hearing that DB 10 goal scoring record at 21 is not as impressive as Bendy.
Im looking at some stats here and he got
28 goals in 39 appearances at 21.
Bendy
in 38 appearances hes got 14. at 20-21
Blasphemy. Unless i have my stats wrong.
September 3, 2009 at 20:37
1990/91 season at 21 (22 at the end of the season) bergie scored 28 goals for Ajax
September 3, 2009 at 20:37
25 games… 8 goals… 1989-1990
September 3, 2009 at 20:39
He was 20.
September 3, 2009 at 20:39
Lets see what happens when Nik finishes the season as a 22 year old.
September 3, 2009 at 20:40
making comparison with bendtner and berg is looking for trouble if u ask me
September 3, 2009 at 20:41
pedro i can bet u nick dont score 15 this year
September 3, 2009 at 20:41
Bergkamp had 28 in 94 appearances at 21
Bendtner has 35 in 77 starts at club level, 22 for us, 8 international goals in 27
Bendtner is head of where Bergkamp was at that age in goalscoring
September 3, 2009 at 20:42
unless he plays in carling cup
September 3, 2009 at 20:42
Lets make that bet Fran…
A, thanks for that… not to mention that Bergkamp played in a weaker league pound for pound.
September 3, 2009 at 20:42
Franchise i’ll take that as a gentleman’s bet, he scored 14 last season, and has improved, and is likely to play more this season
September 3, 2009 at 20:43
Fran… it’s not asking for trouble… it’s just showing people that you can’t write a player off at 21 just because they’re not banging in goals like Messi.
September 3, 2009 at 20:43
A fuck the starts if u cant do the same for bergie
also fuck the intl goals
September 3, 2009 at 20:44
Bergkamp was born in 1969.
He wouldve been 21.
September 3, 2009 at 20:44
15 A, lets not underplay his contribution.
September 3, 2009 at 20:45
berg was talent of the year in the 1990 so he couldnt have done that bad
aliadiere was hopeless at 21 and he is still hopeless today
September 3, 2009 at 20:45
Fran 20.17.
Yeah sorry mate, I got a little carried away back there.
September 3, 2009 at 20:46
David, the year Bergkamp got 8 goals… he’d have finished the season 21 years old. The same comparative school year… Nik got 15.
September 3, 2009 at 20:47
u can paint bendy’s stats all u want we all know he is anything but prolific in front of goal
September 3, 2009 at 20:47
Speaking of international goals, really hope on saturday bendy plays as well as he did for denmark when he pissed all over portugal last time, could more or less put denmark into the world cup!
Yeah David, that season he scored 28 goals is the equivalent of this season for bendtner
September 3, 2009 at 20:48
Not quite.
He was born in may which means he played the whole season at the age of 20.
September 3, 2009 at 20:48
Noone’s trying to claim he is Franchise, people are just saying that Bergkamp wasn’t great at that age either. So if Bergkamp had arrived at the club at Bendtner’s age, and developed as Bendtner has, then he’d have had fans booing him and saying he’s shit!
September 3, 2009 at 20:49
… and I hate to say it, but the most Bergy ever managed for us was 22… and I think he joined when he was 26.
September 3, 2009 at 20:49
arse.com says bendtner has scored 24 in 98
which is still quite good requring no photoshopping
September 3, 2009 at 20:49
In fact, after his last year in Holland… he only managed more the 20 in a season once…
September 3, 2009 at 20:49
So there’s 4 months difference between their birthdays David – the fact that Bendtner would have 4 months extra at the age of 21 doesn’t make much difference!
September 3, 2009 at 20:50
I only counted 22 Franchise, my quick adding up must have been a bit retarded
September 3, 2009 at 20:51
David… you go by school years… they’d have been in the same school year… so it’s the right comparison.
September 3, 2009 at 20:51
Comparing NB to DB10 ? I like NB but DB had so much more to his game than goal scoring. Hopefully NB will develop in the same way, but I very much doubt he has DB’s intelligence.
Furthermore players develop at different ages. God8 was crap at 21 and he became an goal machine.
September 3, 2009 at 20:52
Fran re your ‘bet’. Please read my post from 17.05 it now looks quite prescient.
Pls let me know your thoughts….
September 3, 2009 at 20:52
Raddy… that’s the point… not that Nik is a better player than Bergy or will be.
September 3, 2009 at 20:52
Not quite. This is football. We’ll go by the season and the age. It sounds a bit silly comparing 30 year old players and comparing their school years. Should be no different for 20 year olds.
The fact is Bergkamp at 21 is better by far than Bendy at 21.
September 3, 2009 at 20:53
overall berg was good for us though the guy gave us so many great moments
all great players give moments
arshavin has only been here how many days but he has done some terrific things
goal against bburn, goals at anfield, goal at OT
bendtner doesnt look to have the talent to be that sort of player if u ask me i wld say jack wilshere, vela, merida, maybe ramsey are the youngsters that can bring such to the table
September 3, 2009 at 20:54
A. Damn right. My apartment overlooks the Parken where Denmark will play on Saturday.
If Nik can bag a couple he will be a national hero (though he already is as he plays for us !!)
September 3, 2009 at 20:54
David… it’s not silly. That’s how they would have come up through the ranks… in the same age group.
It’s silly because it proves that Bendtner is on track… and you don’t like that.
September 3, 2009 at 20:55
David surely by 21 the fact that Bergkamp had a worse scoring record in an easier league would show otherwise?! Bergkamp was an absolute legend, but a late bloomer
September 3, 2009 at 20:56
Franchise, maybe he won’t prove to be as good as Bergkamp… but if he can bag us 20 goals a season, that’ll be enough to justify his place in our squad.
September 3, 2009 at 20:57
SS if wenger keeps playing bendtner on the right and eboue ahead of him how is he going to score prolifically?
i said earlier
Franchise Says:
September 3, 2009 at 13:34
take bendtner for instance at 6ft 3in seems like our best built centre forward
the manager obviously doesnt trust him thru the middle so what is the point having him
ppl talk about what he might be in 5 years cos he is 21 and bergie was 26 when we signed him
who cares? the time is now
September 3, 2009 at 20:57
fack.. i love the topics of discussion on le grove
September 3, 2009 at 20:57
Ofcoarse it makes a world of difference A
Even if you want to compare theyre “school years” as Pedro suggested
Bergy Scoring is better.
At that age Berg’s goal scoring is 0.32 goals per game
Bendy’s goal scoring is 0.291 goals per game
September 3, 2009 at 20:57
I’ve got it sky plussed Raddy as I dunno if i’ll be home for it, ESPN seems to have good international matches.
September 3, 2009 at 20:58
… just like Drogba was…
32 games, 7 goals for Le Mans!
He was shite until 2002!
September 3, 2009 at 20:59
Saturday is Argie vs Brazil, who wins Messi or Kaka?
September 3, 2009 at 21:00
David, it’s good to know that over 33 games and 30 minutes, Bergkamp would have had one more goal on average than Nik… in a weaker league, with a comparatively better team.
September 3, 2009 at 21:00
Messi zeus, every time! Kaka is good but Messi is on a level of his own.
September 3, 2009 at 21:01
Franch
Bendy is absolutely useless as a lone striker. Even in international games he plays so deep you’d think he was a midfielder.
September 3, 2009 at 21:02
pedro dutch league was hot in the 80s
September 3, 2009 at 21:02
Pedro
Its very debatable. For one Bergy had less oppurtunities. For 2…Its no coincidence that Bendy’s goal scoring record is against “weaker teams”
September 3, 2009 at 21:04
Point taken Fran….but 15’s not exactly prolific. Bendy didn’t get too many starts last year for his decent return. 14 or 15 was it.
Are you saying that if he starts thru the middle you fully expect him to beat 15..??
My Q still stands… if we win the Pl or go very close, would you feel bad about having been so wrong, so strongly..??
September 3, 2009 at 21:04
Ah.
Indeed. The dutch league was definately hot in the 80’s i believe 1 or 2 teams won the UEFA cup?
September 3, 2009 at 21:04
where is rooney’s dive against us the other day in dive watch??
September 3, 2009 at 21:06
The time is now. Good title for a song …..
September 3, 2009 at 21:08
ade got 30 as the focus of the attack, bendtner could get 20 if he plays through the middle
ade at his best is definitely better than bendtner so far at his best
imo bendtner would lead the line better than vp does if given the chance especially aghainst juggernauts like vidic
September 3, 2009 at 21:08
Nikki B missed 4 against burnley alone!
and another 2 against blackburn.. had they gone in, he would’ve been our top scorer!
September 3, 2009 at 21:09
Yep. Ajax European Cup winners 88′
September 3, 2009 at 21:11
and we have to reflect on the fact that players usually comes trough younger age today than some years ago..players get younger and younger..
and i must say about flamini…he didnt prove much did he…one season…i think he is over rated..he should have stayed put..then maybe,,,pires stated the fact that Our Beloved Arsenal is a very special place to be…Bergkamp did..Vieira did..Henry did..Adams did..hleb is finally admitting it…we have something very special going on
”’
tom
September 3, 2009 at 21:11
I love these Bendy discussions…….
The man is a Gooner and proud to wear the red & white.. End of
September 3, 2009 at 21:11
Yeah Ajax were one of if not the best team in Europe for a time end of 80s early 90s David, they had a ridiculous assembly line of young wonderkids coming through.
In 10 years time we’ll hopefully be thought of in the same way!
September 3, 2009 at 21:12
and fran, stop being so negative about everything.
stop comparing bendtner to one of the best players to ever put on an arsenal shirt. if nik is half as good as bergkamp i’ll be pleased.
but i think he’ll be more than half, hes a big lad with bags of ability.
September 3, 2009 at 21:12
i would be happy SS if we win the league cos im judging us based on experience. experience being the last 4 years
wenger has not done this b4 and succeeded that is build a team from scratch filled with unproven inexperienced players
i look at our last title winning squad and look at this one and i look at the competition then and now and my brain tells me very slim chance
September 3, 2009 at 21:13
choy
There is no doubt that if he bangs in half his chances he’d be a top striker…but sadly he doesnt seem to be learning much from his mistakes. Seems to me he is just content to hold his head and look like in his own words a “Sunday League Player”…
I dont think its entirely his fault though. If he had a class striker to watch and learn from maybe he can start applying some mental aspects to his finishing…and know what he is actually trying to do not trying anything.
September 3, 2009 at 21:14
sam read back and find out who compared nik to bergie
if i wasnt negative there would be no one to chat with here
September 3, 2009 at 21:14
Yes Tom. The Arsenal is the greatest team the world has ever seen !
September 3, 2009 at 21:14
Still dodging the big Q eh Fran..?? ;-0
September 3, 2009 at 21:15
September 3, 2009 at 21:16
What pains me about the invinsibles is that we were predicted to dominate the league for years to come. But Wenger took that all apart.
September 3, 2009 at 21:16
Franchise. Compared to some, you are a shining light of positivity !
September 3, 2009 at 21:17
what Q?
September 3, 2009 at 21:17
Franchise \ David… I know Ajax were hot in the 80’s… but the Dutch league as a whole wasn’t.
The big players back then weren’t flocking to ply their trade over there were they!
So Bergy was playing in the best team of a generation, in a weak league… all I’m saying is his goal return looks weak when he was 21.
22 onwards is where he kicks off…
September 3, 2009 at 21:17
I agree David, I was looking and clips and to be honest to say that we didnt mke enough effort to keep the team together would be putting it mildly.
September 3, 2009 at 21:18
David.. yes just finishing required at 21.
Isn’t that a positive rather than a negative?
September 3, 2009 at 21:18
Posts crossed Fran..
Thnaks for your answer mate….
No offence mate buy I have to say that part of supporting a team is that sense of hope, even if its based on very little
September 3, 2009 at 21:19
I mean, it refreshed memories of their class and to be honest these kids are never gonna be that good. Cesc was good enough and he showed it early on, the rest well just keep hoping…….
September 3, 2009 at 21:20
David, Master B.
Who left in that summer of 2004..??
September 3, 2009 at 21:22
SS re Arsenal i can live with losses, lack of silverware etc but i really dont know what is going on from board to management level
the same trend every summer. same failed promises
im nothing but pawn to them all i can do is moan
i wish i could do more
September 3, 2009 at 21:22
i just couldnt agree more Big Raddy
all well on the Danish front i hope ?…
and a small point everyone seems to miss out on,when/if Fifa regulations on how to run a club financially correct makes more of an impact..and it will…Our Beloved Arsenal would be even better off…this is such a important point and i do suspect that Wenger and Arsenal are planning for it…
tom
September 3, 2009 at 21:22
Bergy started scoring goals when he was 21…not 22.
And i dont know if the rest of the teams in the Dutch league are any weaker than the lower teams in the EPL around the 80’s. Its certainly open for debate.
Choy
Its not just the finishing. Its the hold up play. Its his first touches….its his offensive awareness in relation to where the ball and defenders are…etc…etc..etc.
We are not having this conversation about Carlos Vela. And yet he’s younger.
September 3, 2009 at 21:22
just check out their touch, confidence, coordination. No way, I think they were the best team in the world at the time. I dont think even the current barca compares to them in class
September 3, 2009 at 21:23
SS
Did we win something in 2005?
September 3, 2009 at 21:24
the media loved us in 04. that is the point i was making the other day that ppl take the witch hhunt thingy too far
the ppl that hated us then still hate us now cos they were ex-spuds and liverpool fans that cant get over 89
if andy gray says i doubt arsenal are going to win the league a lot of ppl get pissed off but one cant really blame him
September 3, 2009 at 21:26
Pedro mate..
firstly hows Geoff gettin along,give him my best..
Ajax had the same magic as we do…telling by the fact that most of the players back in the days are returning,now if Ajax had the means today they could once more become a solid player in the game..not to forget that Ajax well was the founder of youth programming..together with Dinamo Kiev..who was greatly inflected by the military thow…
well just thoughts..
tom
September 3, 2009 at 21:27
tomstoned i must say i like ur style, everything u say sounds a bit tongue in cheek to me
u the opposite of bbk but same in in terms of charm levels
September 3, 2009 at 21:28
All good thanks Tom, though it absolutely pissed with rain here today, and I got soaked a number of times.
How is the frozen North?
You make a good point re: the finances.
And….. there is a proposal about having homegrown players in the team (5 I think). And at that point AW’s project youth will have added value. (If it comes to fruition)
September 3, 2009 at 21:28
sharkey Arsenal are the perrenial Chokers, but in terms of comparing that team at its peak to this there is no comparison. you are living in a world of what ifs, what then, If so, then this…… I mean it is a big pressumtion Bendy will ever be as good as Berk. Van scord more goals dosent make him a better player.
September 3, 2009 at 21:28
Fran….for me its all about the fact that our fit first 11 are a match for any team in the world…yes even Barca.
Thats surely something to be positive about and thankful for…
September 3, 2009 at 21:29
In 2005 chelsea got ninety fucking five points playing shite football.
September 3, 2009 at 21:31
He’s all good Tom, back tomorrow!
September 3, 2009 at 21:31
SSure
I think you are alone in that assumption. Especially with Almunia keeping and the fact that we have so many out injured.
September 3, 2009 at 21:32
Fit first 11…oh i misread that.
We still have ALmunia keeping and Song against Messi?
Geez man.
September 3, 2009 at 21:33
Kevin Phillips won the European Golden Boot and I think Bendtner is a better player now than KP ever was.
Goals are not the be all and end all for a forward.
September 3, 2009 at 21:34
Big Raddy..
Glad to hear that everythings going fine..be happy its just rain mate…snowflakes here yesterday..and cold as..hehe…still what a start to the season…im impressed with the Team…and that keeps me warm…started negotiations with Misses …christmas shopping in London..so here its all about Oxford Street..selfridges..manicure and pedicure…all is allowed in love and war..isnt it…well it looks good so far…and i have high hopes in grabbing a couple of games this year…:)
tom
September 3, 2009 at 21:34
In 2005 Chelski got ninety fucking five point playing shite football. Defence has been our archilees heel, like it was against MANURE.
September 3, 2009 at 21:35
It isn’t Song against Messi is it David. It is Clichy and TV against Messi ….. not that the outcome would be that much different
September 3, 2009 at 21:36
Ahm, your saying Bents finishing and overall play is better than KP…….OK.
September 3, 2009 at 21:38
Tom
Are there cheap flights up to you from Copenhagen? I have never been further North than Aalborg !
September 3, 2009 at 21:38
BR
Reason i say that its because A,
In the past has been so kind to explain to me the system which Barca play with Messi cutting in the middle often times and rotating with Eto O or in recent times Ibrahimovic.
So a Messi vs Song would not be unheard off.
Its still the ultimate slap in the face after the FA cup final against chelsea that proved the failure of project youth.
September 3, 2009 at 21:39
A guy like Cana would be useful against messi, the way Yaya cancelled CR7 in the CL final.
September 3, 2009 at 21:40
SS that is the problem we wont face barca when we want to
we would face them when denilson and song are the only fit midfielders knowing our luck
eboue would also be the only player without a doubt
cesc, nasri, vp, rosicky, arshavin would be 50-50
if we had money we dont have any excuse for not strengthening when we could
unless there is smtin the club is not telling us re funds
September 3, 2009 at 21:40
MB. I didn’t say that his finishing is as good. As to his overall play…. definitely. Which is why Phillips never played for a decent team.
September 3, 2009 at 21:40
David. Win..?? More like stole….I’m on record on here as saying I preferred the 2006 loss to the 2005 ‘win’. That win was a little embarrassing.
Master B, wot that team did was out of this world, were you hoping it would happen again the following year..??
That team had (possibly?) peaked age wise and performance wise. Fabregas and Reyes (prev Jan) were added to that team to bring some youth to it.
My point was that we basically had the same players the following year and we did not achieve a great deal. That team cannot serve as a credible benchmark fior other Arsenal teams to follow….well thats my opinion anyway
September 3, 2009 at 21:41
kevin phillips was a very good finisher and he did well in most clubs he went to after his 30 season
September 3, 2009 at 21:42
David. Whilst I can accept your Song argument, I really cannot agree about the Chavs game.
September 3, 2009 at 21:42
Big Raddy..
Yes there are…if you check Ryanair they have cheap travels up here mate…
Aalborg was the town all Norwegians travelled to back in the 80’s…boxing…ole klemetsen you know..havent been back there though..but nice city great people..good food..good beer…all around a nice place.:)
tom
September 3, 2009 at 21:42
well if your opposition has a player like messi, ronadinho etc your DM can manmerk them, when you loose possession
September 3, 2009 at 21:42
Thanks Pedro
tom
September 3, 2009 at 21:43
Dunno how that relates to me David?
You mean the League Cup final against Chelsea?? IMO that league cup campaign proved the success of project youth
September 3, 2009 at 21:43
David. ‘fit first 11′ meaning chosen from a fully fit squad.
Fair play re Almunia though…he’s out!!
September 3, 2009 at 21:44
The thing is Forwards are mainly there to finish chances and if they cannt do that, well just put them in the midfield if hes so creative. Albiet ive seen Bendy whip in some delicious crosses.
September 3, 2009 at 21:44
You arent convinced about the FA cup?
Well how about the 4-1 drubbing at home?
We ended the game with Essentially the same team.
No Arshavin.
Infact its the fact that we do have Arshavin thats saving our skins against the Mancs.
September 3, 2009 at 21:45
Right, I’m hitting the sack… have a good one!
Geoff is back on tomorrow…!
September 3, 2009 at 21:45
Thats because in your opinion A,
losing is winning. Its a bit weird. but i accept you as you are no worries
September 3, 2009 at 21:46
nite Pedro…
tom
September 3, 2009 at 21:47
Franchise. Would you have been happy to see Phillips at THOF ?
I wouldn’t.
September 3, 2009 at 21:48
David. I refer you to A 21.43
September 3, 2009 at 21:48
Nite Ped…
Thats me out n’all guys…
Nite all
September 3, 2009 at 21:48
Sharkey
I will NEVER prefer a loss to a win.
let me repeat that.
I WILL NEVER PREFER A LOSS TO A WIN.
Do you think the Mancs give a toss about how “embarrased” they feel they won the game last saturday?
No. 3 points is 3points…unless ofcoarse ure playing for a trophy which is doubly important.
September 3, 2009 at 21:48
I’m going to bed with Pedro
September 3, 2009 at 21:49
You said final David, so I assumed you meant when the kids lost in the league cup final, rather than the fa cup game last year, although that proved absolutely nothing imo!
September 3, 2009 at 21:49
I mean the kids still crack under pressure, they couldnt string together 2 passes in the second half against the MANCS and having played competitive sports I could tell It was nerves and it has been that way in all big games that we have played.
Even if they have the skill, they are not gonna show it at the highest level. The mancs were much more compossed and clinical on the counter.
I mean what do you put the Almunia and Diaby mistakes down to, the occassion got to them and they lost their nerve.
September 3, 2009 at 21:50
Raddy.
Losing by 2-1 or losing by 4-1. Take your pick.
And in both cases it proves success?
September 3, 2009 at 21:52
When did we lose 4-1 in the fa cup David? I’m getting more confused….
I said the league cup campaign proved that project youth was baring fruit, it showed that a bunch of kids we were bringing through were capable of getting to the final of a competition, and giving as good as they got against one of the best sides around. Although it would have been nice to win, it was the same as the reserves and youths, more about the performance than the result
September 3, 2009 at 21:53
nite Big Raddy
keep it clean you hear !!!
tom
September 3, 2009 at 21:54
nite SharkeySure..
tom
September 3, 2009 at 21:56
I was talking bout Chelsea game at home and the fa cup Semi final. Granted Silveste was in the team at home. But it was essentially the same project youth team without Arshavin in the FA cup final. It only proves that this team without experienced class cant challenge for anything.
Right…im off to the gym. I’ll be sure to be back lamenting how we didnt sing a CF and how VanP is wasted in the CF position…Nikki B isnt the Answer and how Jan and Chamakh cant come sooner.
September 3, 2009 at 21:58
A we agree project youth is great if you want to second best. I am proud that a team with Arsenal resources and histroy can produce a team that is second best at everything. Thanks for that.
September 3, 2009 at 22:01
oh ok David. Well we lost the FA Cup semi because of silvestre, so I don’t think you can blame the youth project!
September 3, 2009 at 22:01
huh Master B, you’ve lost me
September 3, 2009 at 22:04
Does anyone know if the u21 game is on tomorrow?
September 3, 2009 at 22:12
The point of competition is to win, doing it gracefully… well thats only inportant if you win.
My point being that, It is not good enough if you cannt finish off the good work that you have started. Which these kids cannot, it is obvious.
We as fans should not stand for being second best, if we can be the finished article with a little more effort and investment in players.
Unless Arsenal is in great financial trouble, not spending 20 mil more cannot be justified.
Yes its great to blood youngster, If they can can come in to a winning team to slowly replace established stars, until that happens its not worth loosing just so we spend resources and more importantly our emotions, on players who will leave once they are established.
September 3, 2009 at 22:14
well off..
Have a great evening all Gooners and Grovers alike…
later all…
tom
September 3, 2009 at 22:16
One of the things that are most important to players, besides money is trophes, and even the like of henry and cesc wont stay if they dont achive it, so you are back at step one. Its a vicious cycle a downward spiral and we have been in it for the last 4/5 years.
September 3, 2009 at 22:26
Viera, Henry, Gilberto(still a starter in the Brazilian national team), Edu, Pires loved arsenal. The first two left because they knew they would never win the CL with Arsenal(Henry even hinted at it in the post final interview, saying Arsenal were not a big Club yet). They were vocal about Arsene not signing established stars.
The rest were pushed out. I think Arsene sometimes dosent give established players the respect they deserve for what they have given the club in the past even though they dont justify their current wage.
September 3, 2009 at 22:33
Viera left because he couldn’t win the cl with us then joined a team that we pissed on in the cl the following season.
September 3, 2009 at 22:36
Vieira was offloaded because he couldn’t last 90 minutes anymore, Henry because he was crocked, Gilberto left because we couldn’t guarantee him first team football and he wanted that to keep his place with Brazil, Edu and Pires were allowed to go at the end of their contracts which was a pity, but again neither were guaranteed first team footy anymore
September 3, 2009 at 22:44
who did we get to replace gilberto, edu, pires, viera who has had the same impact.
Henry could have regained fitness, who have we replaced him with, whos doing the same job he is in barca.
I dont know but it was always obvious any player that makes it with arsenal wants to leave, ade, hleb recent examples, hleb left because Arsenal wassnt a big enough club for him.
September 3, 2009 at 22:46
Hleb left because london was too noisy for him… lol
September 3, 2009 at 22:49
LOL, well that and no trophies… Im not saying they made the right choice, but is Arsene running a sustainable model. Considering we are a big four club, our players show the least loyalty and finances and fame or the lake there of plays a big role.
September 3, 2009 at 22:50
*lack…….im chory
September 3, 2009 at 22:51
If we hadn’t sold Henry then we wouldn’t have been able to get Eduardo Master B. Henry was also on ridiculous wages, and had been crocked for two seasons, and arrived at Barca fucked as well. He was good again last season, but we couldn’t keep him at such an expense that it would eat away at our funds massively.
September 3, 2009 at 22:54
The best way to improve our financial situation is to win things….namely the CL(winner gets a cool 150mil for fucking 9 games, two titles and we can kiss our debt goodbye, muanh….)
Thats how big clubs get bigger, not by arsing bout the semis with kids and complaing about the finances.
September 3, 2009 at 22:59
Most of our current best players(RVP,Arsh) are complaining about the lack of signings. RVP took a long time to sign an extension why?????
Even Fab thinks we should try Viagra(Impotence).
September 3, 2009 at 23:01
ahm Edvardo hasst been crocked at all has he now, hes played more games for us then Henry during Injury and at Barca.
I think I get it now, I can finally see the light.
September 3, 2009 at 23:57
What is this about Chelsea’s signing ban?
September 4, 2009 at 00:13
It’s hilarious Luke, they can’t sign any players until 2011
September 4, 2009 at 00:20
Master B why are you making things up – you don’t get £150 mil from winning the champions league now do you!
Bendtner and Denilson took longer to sign an extension, we’ve got absolutely no idea why contracts were signed when they were!
We couldn’t really expect Eduardo to break his leg could we
September 4, 2009 at 00:40
no doubt that decision will get over turned as it always does with them
September 4, 2009 at 00:44
i feel eduardo will get banned for even more games now they should just accept the punishment and move on they should also tell that diving cunt eboue to stop that shit aswell
September 4, 2009 at 01:13
A Says:
September 3, 2009 at 22:51
If we hadn’t sold Henry then we wouldn’t have been able to get Eduardo Master B. Henry was also on ridiculous wages, and had been crocked for two seasons, and arrived at Barca fucked as well.
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and you say i talk shit !
you couldnt know what henry
WOULD HAVE DONE OR NOT !
he wasnt played as much by barca due to competition and also took a differing role
in a 3-3-4 when he did .
also he only had 1 shit scoring season .
the last , and for good reason he had back issues .
also then we couldnt get dudu ?
WHY 1stly ?
are you admitting we only buy if we sell ?
or are a selling club ?
and secondly dudu if you want to deal with the facts only played a handful of games prior to getting injured as wenger favored ade and nik together , thus limiting dudu’s time on the pitch .. just when he hit his stride he got the injury ..
to say we would be worse off than with TH14
given what happened to dudu is pure fabrication
and speculation
September 4, 2009 at 01:18
you blabber on in the most misdirected fashion , and secondly id like to hear from you as to why
i talk rubbish ?
what have i said recently ?
that wenger wasnt interested with numchucks ?
or we dont really need a clinical finisher when both our MAIN strikers still havent scored in 5 games ?
or that big al is shit and we need another goalie ?
or for years that ade is crap and the second he has gone we play better ?!
i cant think of too many things i say that dont hold true …
UNLIKE YOU and Everton finishing 3rd HAHAHAHAHA
and man U out of the top four . your a fuckin joke man !
September 4, 2009 at 02:03
http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/p5/20090903/16/2309894196.jpg
Arsene musta said hey mitchel how about that dive from the granny shagger
September 4, 2009 at 03:59
lol Goonersmith, when was that? Platin looks bored out of his mind listening to those 2. Delighted…i hope they are giving him an earful.
September 4, 2009 at 06:18
I am finally over the Utd loss as I have drawn this conclusion…
In the game of football, shit happens and players make mistakes. That is a given aspect of the game, and you can only try to control it so much. The best players in the world make mistakes. We went to old trafford and outplayed them. We were missing Cesc, Nasri, Rosicky, arguably 3 starting eleven midfielders. We made united’s first choice midfield look pathetic with our second choice midfield in my opinion. We lost concentration, gave up a penalty. We still looked good, VP hit the bar, what else is new. Then Diaby headed it in. He made a huge mistake, but those things happen. We played great minus the two mistakes, and we did it without our starting midfield at old trafford, with a horrible ref. The form our boys are in will bring points. It already has. 6 pts out of 9 is not bad. THe form utd in will cause them to lose to teams like burnley. They played horribly, got lucky, and wound up with the points. You cant get lucky for a whole season. Im proud of the boys, and I want to give big al and diaby a hug, more than I want to hit them in the face or kick them in the balls. COME ON YOU GOONERS!
September 4, 2009 at 06:33
Diaby looks to be like he is mostly half asleep even while playing. Injuring players in training, and committing blunders can be attributed to only this reason. Was not it Diaby too when sneijder was
injured in the emirates cup last time?
September 4, 2009 at 06:37
Daiby needs to be subbed at 60th minute if he starts. Cannot stay concentrated.
September 4, 2009 at 06:38
* if not a bit before
September 4, 2009 at 07:54
Hello All
September 4, 2009 at 08:28
Hello Sabeel, looks like another quiet morning.
September 4, 2009 at 08:33
Arsenal’s All Premier League Goal Scorers:
(1992/1993-2009/2010)
Thierry Henry-174
Ian Wright-104
Dennis Bergkamp-87
Robert Pirès-62
Fredrik Ljungberg-46
Emmanuel Adebayor-46
Robin van Persie-39
Sylvain Wiltord-31
Nwankwo Kanu-30
Patrick Vieira-29
Paul Merson-28
Marc Overmars-25
Nicolas Anelka-23
Kevin Campbell-22
Ray Parlour-21
Cesc Fàbregas-19
Gilberto Silva-17
José Antonio Reyes-16
John Hartson-14
Nicklas Bendtner-14
David Platt-13
Tony Adams-12
William Gallas-11
Lee Dixon-9
Emmanuel Petit-9
Kolo Touré-9
Tomás Rosický-9
Alan Smith-8
Davor Suker-8
Ashley Cole-8
Sol Campbell-8
Abou Diaby-8
Lauren-7
Edu-7
Mathieu Flamini-7
Alexander Hleb-7
Andrey Arshavin-7
Theo Walcott-6
Samir Nasri-6
Andy Linighan-5
Eduardo da Silva-5
Nigel Winterburn-4
Martin Keown-4
Stephen Hughes-4
Gilles Grimandi-4
Francis Jeffers-4
Philippe Senderos-4
Denìlson-4
Paul Dickov-3
Chris Kiwomya-3
Christopher Wreh-3
Sylvinho-3
Pascal Cygan-3
Jermaine Pennant-3
Júlio Baptista-3
Emmanuel Eboué-3
Steve Bould-2
Jimmy Carter-2
Anders Limpar-2
Stefan Schwarz-2
Paul Shaw-2
Giovanni van Bronckhorst-2
Mikaël Silvestre-2
David Hillier-1
Paul Davis-1
John Faxe Jensen-1
Steve Morrow-1
Glenn Helder-1
Scott Marshall-1
Stefan Malz-1
Paolo Vernazza-1
Jérémie Aliadière-1
Justin Hoyte-1
Bacary Sagna-1
Gaël Clichy-1
Alexandre Song-1
Carlos Vela-1
Aaron Ramsey-1
Thomas Vermaelen-1
September 4, 2009 at 08:50
Arsenal’s F.A. Cup Goal Scorers:
(1890/1891-2008/2009)
Cliff Bastin-26
Joe Hulme-17
Alan Sunderland-16
John Radford-15
Frank Stapleton-15
Jimmy Brain-14
Dennis Bergkamp-14
Reg Lewis-13
Ted Drake-12
Ian Wright-12
Jack Lambert-11
Charlie George-11
Fredrik Ljungberg-11
David Jack-10
Doug Lishman-10
David Herd-10
George Armstrong-10
Malcolm Macdonald-10
Charlie Nicholas-10
Sylvain Wiltord-10
Robert Pirès-10
Jimmy Logie-8
Tony Adams-8
Charlie Buchan-7
Don Roper-7
Freddie Cox-7
Alan Ball-7
Graham Rix-7
Brian Talbot-7
Tony Woodcock-7
Marc Overmars-7
Thierry Henry-7
Robin van Persie-7
Billy Garbutt-6
Billy Blyth-6
Alf Kirchen-6
Derek Tapscott-6
Vic Groves-6
Ray Kennedy-6
Alan Smith-6
Harry White-5
Albert Beasley-5
Ray Bowden-5
Cliff Holton-5
Geoff Strong-5
Charlie Lewis-4
Joe Baker-4
Johnny MacLeod-4
Peter Storey-4
Eddie Kelly-4
Ian Allinson-4
David Rocastle-4
Paul Merson-4
Ray Parlour-4
Emmanuel Adebayor-4
Eduardo da Silva-4
Charlie Satterthwaite-3
Bert Freeman-3
John Coleman-3
Tom Fitchie-3
Alex Graham-3
Harry King-3
Alf Baker-3
James Dunne-3
Arthur Milton-3
Stan Charlton-3
Len Julians-3
Jon Sammels-3
Bobby Gould-3
Brian Kidd-3
Willie Young-3
Paul Davis-3
Viv Anderson-3
Martin Hayes-3
Nicolas Anelka-3
Patrick Vieira-3
Nwankwo Kanu-3
Edu-3
Francis Jeffers-3
Kolo Touré-3
José Antonio Reyes-3
Nicklas Bendtner-3
Andy Ducat-2
Percy Sands-2
Peter Kyle-2
John Rutherford-2
Billy Milne-2
Bob Turnbull-2
Sid Hoar-2
Bobby Davidson-2
Ian McPherson-2
Peter Goring-2
Jimmy Bloomfield-2
Danny Clapton-2
Dennis Evans-2
Mel Charles-2
George Graham-2
Liam Brady-2
Paul Mariner-2
Niall Quinn-2
Anders Limpar-2
Kevin Campbell-2
Emmanuel Petit-2
Sol Campbell-2
Lauren-2
Tomás Rosický-2
Harry Offer-1
George Davie-1
Arthur Elliott-1
James Brock-1
James Tennant-1
Thomas Low-1
Walter Anderson-1
Tommy Shanks-1
Jimmy Sharp-1
Tom Hynds-1
David Neave-1
Sam Raybould-1
Matthew McKellar-1
Roddy McEachrane-1
John Chalmers-1
Gordon Hoare-1
David Duncan-1
Fred Groves-1
Fed Pagnam-1
Harry Woods-1
Sammy Haden-1
Dr. Paterson-1
Alex Mackie-1
Jack Butler-1
Harold Peel-1
Alex James-1
Herbie Roberts-1
Bob John-1
Ralph Birkett-1
Peter Dougall-1
Jack Crayston-1
Reg Cumner-1
Ronnie Rooke-1
Wally Barnes-1
Denis Compton-1
Les Compton-1
Tommy Lawton-1
Joe Haverty-1
Bill Dodgin-1
Gordon Neilson-1
David Jenkins-1
Jimmy Robertson-1
Peter Simpson-1
Pat Rice-1
Frank McLintock-1
Brian Hornsby-1
John Matthews-1
Trevor Ross-1
David O’Leary-1
Steve Gatting-1
David Price-1
Sammy Nelson-1
Vladimir Petrovic-1
Stewart Robson-1
Kevin Richardson-1
Perry Groves-1
Lee Dixon-1
Michael Thomas-1
Andy Linighan-1
John Hartson-1
Stephen Hughes-1
Christopher Wreh-1
Luis Boa Morte-1
Gilles Grimandi-1
David Bentley-1
Carlos Vela-1
Emmanuel Eboué-1
William Gallas-1
Theo Walcott-1
September 4, 2009 at 09:03
Morning guys. Whats with the lists?
September 4, 2009 at 09:04
luke
ill go with the kicking them in the balls option !
September 4, 2009 at 09:04
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/the-funniest-football-chants-1774361.html
September 4, 2009 at 09:07
I second that Ethan, a kick is the balls is the best makes the point very well.
September 4, 2009 at 09:09
NEW POST!
September 4, 2009 at 09:12
Uefa have really lost the plot this year. The Platini-Blatter axis of meglomaniacs have really gone over the top with this harsh punishment business. There is absolutely no precedence in imposing such heavy penalties concerning both Eduardo’s and the Chavs case. If the argument is made to say someone needs to be made an example of, that sounds a bit fascist to me really. In our world a law and penalties are clearly defined before anyone is prosecuted for them. These cunts are making the laws at a whim and the penalties while sucking on there fat cigars after a few too many whiskys. Pathetic and shameless it all seems to me.
(True a part of me sees it as redemption for the Chavs having a rich benefactor splashing the cash for years and the cashley cole affair but if we are to live under such unannounced penalties what’s to say what they will come up with next.)
September 4, 2009 at 09:26
Morning all, top post Geoff!
I thought the same about Rocky… I’d love to know the stats for his return —> straight into the national team ratio.
Does he ever come back and not play for the national team straight away?
How desperate are the Czechs that they have to play him? It’s infuriating…
So the Chavs have fucked themselves with the ACN… 5 players going… not ability to find replacements… tut tut!
September 4, 2009 at 10:38
Fucking car tax has gone up again… the further into a recession we get, the more we’re taxed… and I got a parking ticket in Bromley… what a fucking ball ache.
It’s Friday though… happy days.