So we all now know that Arsene Wenger has turned Real Madrid El Presidente Perez 3 times, you would think if he had any brains he would work out by now Arsene doesn’t want the job! Why would someone want to manage a club that sacks its managers even when the win their respective league? Anyway, Arsene has the safest job in football so why would he leave? I also think his ‘judge me in two years’ comments mean that he will see out his contract and of course, project youth.
Well as I have said many, many time here on Le Grove, we are 2 or 3 players short of being a great side, he now has a great chance of signing players, as he has made it clear that he at last realises he needs them, so who will he buy and who do we need?
Centre backs, we have had a look at Hangeland, Vermaelen and Zapata all their current clubs or agents have said we are sniffing, who would I have? Hangeland, he’s big, has premiership experience and would partner well with what we already have. Who will he sign? Vermaelen or Zapata, why? Because they are young, but at £13 mil being talked about for Vermaelen I think he’ll buy Zapata.
One that hasn’t been talked about is Chellieni, I would have him over them all, but to be honest anyone will do for me because what we have clearly isn’t working.
So that leaves us with the age old problem, will he buy someone to play with Cesc, if he does, he’s saying that Song, Eboue, Diaby and Denilson aren’t good enough (yet) and to be honest, I don’t think he can bring himself to do that, I hope he does though, so who are our choices? Matuidi, Veloso, YaYa or Alonso.
Liverpool are in the shit so maybe they would let Alonso go, YaYa is African and with the ACN coming up I can’t see the boss hamstringing our chances in February, Veloso would cost too much, so the cheapest option would be Matuidi, seems like a Wenger signing, so that could be the way he’ll go, but having said all that, I seriously doubt he buy anyone in that position.
On an aside I think Ramsey can eventually fill that role and I would prefer to see him get the chances he gives to Denilson, Diaby and Song as I already think he’s better than them all. And before anyone goes on about stats, let me tell you 200 passes going backward or to a player surrounded with opposition defenders may look good on their opta but it does bugger all for the team.
Up front I would so love to see a winger, maybe Silva or even the Russian Jerk-off, but he seems to be gravitating around Dzeko, if that’s true it hugely exciting as this kid is the real deal, and great news you think because it would see the end of Adebayor and that would fund him and maybe a defensive midfielder, but what if it meant Robin.
Yes shockingly I fear that if we don’t sign a quality defensive midfielder then Robin won’t sign a contract and will be sold to inter for 30 pieces of silver, so now we come full circle with the Judas thing! I hope like hell I’m wrong with that conspiracy theory!
So Arsene deny Perez, but not us your fans, please make three signings that will give us all the hope our patience deserves, I renewed my season tickets because I believed that you now realise you have to spend, if you claim you have no money sell the following players to raise some. You would also save a boatload of cash on their wages.
Adebayor, Simpson, Randall, Senderos, Silvestre, Diaby, Traore and if Hoyte is ready to step up then add Eboue to that list. We would raise a good £45 mil from that lot, then add that to the £13 million we already have and that would finance the purchase of Chelleini, Alonso and Dzeko, now with those 3 coming in we could win the lot next year.
Maybe now all the internationals are over, we’ll see some movement but we know the Chav’s will bring in a shed load of talent, let’s get ours in first.
Have a great Domingo Grovers and enjoy the weather.
Arshy can play 2nd striker, as can RvP and Bendy… Eduardo and Ade is, at present, our only options up top. Seeing as how 1 is likely to depart, and the other’s fitness cannot be relied upon as yet, Id say we could do with a nother front man…
If one of Ade and VP or both of them leave then this is the perfect time to bring in Dzeko
He’s going to be more expensive next season if we dont get him now..imo…and the sooner he settles down in the prem…the better for us.
Its a little thing they call “strengthening”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdFVgSn9i68
You know even with Ade gone i still cant see Bendy breaking into the first team…because he wants the role that Arshavin needs to play.
Thats why i was saying the only way he can play would be out wide…where Theo is.
David, thanks for clarifying what strengthening is… I was unsure until you succinctly pointed it out to me.
Still can’t see it happening. I think we’ve got too much going on to splash out on him.
Not saying I wouldn’t want him… but if we are on a budget… I can’t see how Wenger could justify it.
Despite being tall, Dzeko usually doesn’t score many headers. He’s been clinical this year, I’ll give him that. Basing it on just this year, he’s like Eduardo/Ade combined with worse link-up play than Ade.
Can he replicate his best season in the PL and can he stay clinical? His finishing was never this impressive, so it might have been a 1-yr. thing.
Like I said, Gomez is more impressive in the Bundesliga than Dzeko yet not many teams wanted Gomez, who has been doing it for far longer than Dzeko.
I disagree loner – we’re developing the Barca system, and any of their forwards play centrally, they rotate.
Messi plays centrally by himself, and is no more suited to playing there than arshavin, theo, vela, bendy, eduardo, VP
In my eyes we’ve got 6 who can play there, and they can all play out wide too.
Regardless of the argument about whether ade is any good, it’s simply the fact that that system relies upon the forward players constantly rotating and floating out wide, and deep into midfield, as well as through the centre up front, and ade is simply incapable of playing that role, whereas the rest are very capable of it.
I’d love to keep ade as a plan B, but doubt that we could afford to retain him for that purpose
David;
Didnt you notice my use of the word ‘ahem’ after the beyonce being average comment? She aint a dog by any means, just not stunning… Shit, she’s an A lister, they put themselves up to be scutinised by alpha males on football related blogs!
So what do you propose Pedro?
We sell VP for 25 mill and Axe ade?
Its not a bad idea…if Dzeko can come in and truly be prolific.
Pat, Bayern bought him for £26mill…
If Dzeko scored more… wouldn’t he cost a similar price?
Can you see us lashing out that much?
we can dream of playing the barca system
1st choice – RVP Eduardo Arshavin
2nd choice – Theo Bendtner Vela
We are fine if “he” leaves and noone else comes in.
Did i forget anyone?
442 is the way to go
I don’t think RvP will go… for me, he is just as much Mr Arsenal as Cesc.
I’d flog Ade… get a centre mid, a defender and someone versatile with grit.
A;
I get ya, still kinda unproven with a few of em fella. Still, maybe while checkin out other players (Gentner??) the scouts notived Dzeko and feel he is worth goin for regardless…
LL
She wasnt always an A lister.
But she’s always been a juicy babe.
Id hit that is all im saying.
Plus what were we talking about in footballing terms again?
Oh. Yes i was giving up. And i agree with everything you said!
Fran, I agree with A… I think 4-4-2 is dead…
I suspect Gomez cost so much becasue he was moving from one title challenger to another. Otherwise, if he was moving abroad for example, he probaby would have cost a fair bit less.
Stu;
You forgot Rosicky, nasri, Traore, Wilshire…
Lovedup, i means for the front 3 positions. Everyone you named, bar Traore, will be in midfield probably.
Cant see 4-4-2 working for us with the players we got tbh…
I dunno loner. We’ve currently got 6 players who are coming through, and we’ve got absolutely no idea how quickly Dzeko would adapt to the prem, and as such where he would come in in that pecking order. To start with at least I’d expect him to come in behind Arshavin, Eduardo, VP, and Bendy.
The first three certainly, and I really doubt that with the work Wenger has put in with Bendtner, he’d demote him to 5th choice when he’s at such a pivotal age in his development
Stu; My bad, muchas apologias! Erm, Simpson and Barazite then!
4-4-2 is too rigid for the football Wenger wants us to play. Unless you have 1 disciplined DM allowing the front 5 to roam about when we have the ball.
A;
Yeah, the Dzeko rumour is probably completely baseless, he would indeed be a huge gamble, we would be hoping, once again a player comes in and settles in right away…
Roque Santa Cruz was anything but prolific in germany, came here and scored for fun…. You just can never tell, innit.
did the invincibles play 4-4-2? was that quite attractive?
The 4-4-2 is possible people.
One name
Francis Cocquelin.
i dont think so pedro with rosicky coming back i see us as a 442 team mostly. barca’s sytle and wenger ball are totally different IMO. arsenal play 3 in midfield and look like they have 1 player there it int our strngth 433 and i dont see 6 weeks of preseason changing that
* isnt
433 is an option against certain teams but i dont see it as our no. 1 formation
I dunno about that Loner – Santa Cruz was a one season wonder, but I get your point.
To be honest, if VP was to go as well as ade I’d expect us to get in someone who’s more proven than Dzeko.
With the players we’ve got it’s much more suited to 4-2-3-1, and that’s the future, so talking about 4-4-2 is irrelevant now!
So Micheal Essien scored today. Ghana 2-1 win.
barca play 433 come rain or sunshine its what they have been playing since the days of cryuff
Mandanda;
I think its more about what players we had then, compared to now. 4-4-2 maybe aint the way Wenger wants the team to line up next season…
Disagree completely franchise!
With the players we’ve been signing, and the current squad, we’re much much more suited to barcaball than 4-4-2, and that’s what wenger has been moving towards throughout this season.
In 4-4-2, Rosicky, Nasri, Vela, Theo, Arshavin all have to play basically out of position
I still think we all might be surprised. I can see Yaya coming here. If not him, then matuidi who is 5 times the player Barry is, at least for our purposes and our football.
A 4-2-3-1 is a pussy formation. we played our worst games this season with that formation. the only reason why we played it IMO is cos we dont have a proper DM
Yeah, the 4-2-3-1 system looks more viable, IMO;
back 4 and;
Cesc – DM
Rosicky – Arshy – Rvp
Eduardo
———————
or
Back 4
Nasri – DM
Theo – Bendy – Vela
Dzeko
Oops! How did that Dzeko fella slip in there…?
A
would you put money on that statement? that we would not play 4-4-2 next season as one of the formations we play next season?
Franchise Barca play it, so how is it a pussy formation?!
We played horrific games this season with both formations, in fact that games we lost against Hull and Fulham we were playing 4-4-2, I wouldn’t say our poor performances this season had anything to do with the formation.
However it remains that it seems a certainty to me that’s what Wenger has had planned for a while, and my only surprise is that it’s taken longer for him to implement it than I thought he would!
442 is sooo last century Franchise!
Stop living in the past man…
4231 doesnt work when fabregas is playing behind the striker. its not his position and u really need to keep your best player in his best position. I hate the way we always change our formation when we play against the big teams. were not 433, 4231 or really 451 either. we always play our best possesion football playing 442
Man I’d put money on 4-4-2 being played much less frequently than 4-2-3-1, but it will vary and we’ll still play 4-4-2 at times, but it’ll be a secondary formation and system.
Gotta say, I think A is right. AW seems intent on that particular formation.
A barca play 4-3-3 with 3 forwards they dont play 4-2-3-1
etoo is not the lone striker
I cant see cesc playing in that support/half striker (whatever the feck its called) role again! Hope not anyways.
_________Almunia__________
Sagna Zapata Gallas Clichy
____Cesc__Yaya___Nasri____
RVP_______Ade____Arshavin
Of course, I’m assuming Ade will go back to his hardworking ways. Pep got Rijkaard’s team and what did he do? Made them ALL work. Kicked Eto’o out of training when he wasn’t trying hard. Thats what Wenger needs to do. Some more discipline.
…………….valdes…………………
alves………marquez………puyol……..abidal
……………..yaya toure…………………
………….iniesta……….xavi…………..
messi………………etoo………………henry
Pietro, Megan Fox! Now if ever anyone made me think about a fox and a box, that was it!
Arsenal content? None, sorry!
It’s just a case of what you call it Franchise, you could call it 4-1-1-1-2-1 if you wanted! The wide men don’t play alongside Etoo, they’re deeper, but more advanced than wide men in 4-4-2.
Its different because barca have Toure and we have Song.
I dont know that our passing is anywhere close to that of Xavi-Inniesta…and im not sure that Theo can play in the 4-2-3-1???
We only play different formations from 442 when were away from home or against big teams. I also think he tryed changing it last season coz we were a fat bag of at the back. Knowone good enough to protect the back 4 in a 442.
It was always a 4-3-3…not at 4-2-3-1
Franchise, it’s more
——–Valdes——–
Alves-Puyol-Pique-Abidal
——-Xavi-Yaya——
——–Iniesta——–
Messi————-Henry
———Etoo———
Though Xavi starts off level with Yaya, when Barca are in possession he has alot more freedom to go forward, and he also swaps with iniesta at times
David theo can ONLY play in 4-2-3-1, his best position is where Messi or Henry are in the barca system. Wenger has also said before that he doesn’t like Theo playing right mid in 4-4-2 as much, because he isn’t a midfielder, but likewise isn’t currently a central striker.
Almunia = Valdes
Sagna > Alves
Gallas = Puyol
Zapata = Marquez
Song < Yaya
Cesc and Nasri <<<<<Xavi and Iniesta
RVP Henry
I think thats fairly accurate. Maybe Gallas > Puyol though
Actually A,
Franchise is right…Xavi is always level with Iniesta…ALWAYs…if anything Xavi is right behind Messi.
A its not. sometimes etoo is deeper than the wide players barca’s formation is 433 and xavi doesnt sit deep.
pat;
Almunia’s better than Valdes, IMO. Gallas is better than Puyol, no doubt and Zpata must be better than marques!!!
i dought wenger go for another striker unless ade leaves and i think he will,nikki b works very hard,a very good team player however i dont see him as fisrt teamer yet however is only 21 i would keep for sure
One of Xavi and Iniesta is always deeper than the other, but they rotate and both support each other. Xavi is usually the deeper one though.
I know franchise, because the central striker drops into midfield as well, just as VP has been recently, and the whole front three rotate all the time, but the wide men’s starting position isn’t up front, it isn’t that far forward, they make runs forward they don’t start up there. That’s why they’re so hard to mark
LL
LOL…guys i like how we are saying our defense is better than the European Champs when clearly our defense is shambles at the moment.
Anyway we strictly only have a formation in defence, in attack the players have the freedom to go were they want
4231 the 2 are DM and the 1 is a lone striker
433 one DM sitting infront of the back 4, 2 CM and 3 forwards.
holland, barca play proper 433
David;
Wow! Life must be sooo simple for you… Its all black and white!
Gallas IS better than Puyol FACT! Almunia IS better than Valdes (he is soooo average!) marques? I compared him to a player that plays for Udinese!!!
Shit! Barca didnt win the CL coz of their defense mate!
LOL
Thats exactly what i was trying to say…
I thot i was being retarded….
4-2-3-1
clearly that is 2 DM’s and a lone striker….
there you have it A, Is it still a “simpler mind” that would think that?
Fraid not franchise, simply not true!
There aren’t two DMs, there’s one DM, one passing deeper lying central midfielder, and one more advanced central midfielder, and that’s how Barca play! It’s generally Xavi who picks the ball up off the defence, or off Yaya, and his starting position is deeper than iniesta’s, though they do rotate.
Messi and Henry’s starting positions are much deeper than a forward’s, which is why Messi especially can pick the ball up so deep, and run at the defenders, play one two’s etc
LL
But they kept a clean sheet against the Mancs
Doesnt have to be 2 DMs tho!
Haha… Oh dear… This shite is almost as boring as the Ade v bendy nonsense from earlier.
LL, I didn’t want to sound too bias! haha
Actually, I’d have Rosicky and cesc playing, not Nasri. Rosicky is our best midfielder, imo. Arshavin excluded, obviously.
David;
True dat. But United were missing Fletcher!!!
TRU TRU TRU DAt.
Fletcher is the business when it comes to scoring against Barca.
Thank Captain Cesc for that!
Or was it VP?
I’d rather not buy another African. How many africans has rednose bought in his career? djemba djemba and a south african (can’t remember name).
Fortune, GM
quinton fortune and he was a load of cock!
Fergie’s just a racist tho!
lol jeeeeez is this still going on?
OK I’ll settle it,
Barca play 4-3-3 if you want to be pedantic then you can call it 4-1-2-3. Barca are probably the purest 433 there is at the mo amongst euro clubs. BTW messi was only moved centrally towards the end of the season, i think the match against Real was the first or send time he played mainly centrally
I’ll pick Song over Busquets and they won the CL playing Busquets in there!
A, was it you who said Ac Milan played defensively under Carlotti?
he never has the problem of the acn. If we ever did get yaya (highly doubtful) we’d lose another one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_(association_football)
a read about the formations check 4231 specifically
Im expecting signings this week and by god they better happen otherwise i shall be mightily pissed off and no mistakin!
And on that bombshell….Im like gone…outta here….
gm, we’re already losing Song for the ACN
fergie is a rednose alky.
AMEN LONER!
4-3-3
4-3-3 Formation
The 4-3-3 was a development of the 4-2-4, and was played by the Brazilian national team in the 1962 World Cup. Quite simply, it is a more attacking 4-3-2-1. The extra player in midfield allows a stronger defence, and the midfield could be staggered for different effects. The three midfielders normally play closely together to protect the defence, and move laterally across the field as a coordinated unit. The three forwards split across the field to spread the attack, and may be expected to mark the opposition full-backs as opposed to doubling back to assist their own full-backs, as do the wide midfielders in a 4-4-2. When used from the start of a game, this formation is widely regarded as encouraging expansive play, and should not be confused with the practice of modifying a 4-4-2 by bringing on an extra forward to replace a midfield player when behind in the latter stages of a game.
A staggered 4-3-3 involving a defensive midfielder (usually numbered 4 or 6) and two attacking midfielders (numbered 8 and 10) was commonplace in Italy, Argentina and Uruguay during the 1960s and 1970s. The Italian variety of 4-3-3 was simply a modification of WM, by converting one of the two wing-halves to a libero (sweeper), whereas the Argentine and Uruguayan formations were derived from 2-3-5 and retained the notional attacking centre-half. The national team which made this famous was the Dutch team of the 1974 and 1978 World Cups, even though the team won neither.
In club football, the team that brought this formation to the forefront was the famous Ajax Amsterdam team of the early 1970s, which won three European Cups with Johan Cruyff. Most teams using this formation now use the specialist defensive midfielder; Chelsea F.C. and F.C. Barcelona are the most famous recent examples.[7]
At the 2006 FIFA World Cup Spain and The Netherlands played both a variation of 4-3-3 without wingers. The three strikers would interchange positions and run the channels like a regular striker would.
And Kolo and EE. Not that important on the face of it but if we have some injuries (which happens occasionally to us) we’d be up shit creek without the proverbial
Franchise,
Common you know better than to disagree with A,
He’d prob check up some stats or video footage about how the front 4 “rotate”
At the 2006 FIFA World Cup Spain and The Netherlands played both a variation of 4-3-3 without wingers. The three strikers would interchange positions and run the channels like a regular striker would.
3 forwards running the channels like a striker would. thats the barca 433
i think wenger is going to use just one striker next season.
he has to clearly start playing arshavin behind the main striker.
so it could be
beach bum
…back 4….
walcott/rosicky cesc DM nasri/rosicky
…..Arshavin/rvp….
…..Striker….
OK franchise, well if you’re going with the wikipedia definitions, obviously being the fountain of knowledge that wikipedia is – then i’d say Barca play a mixture of 4-2-3-1 and 4-6-0 then!
4-2-3-1 – This formation is also currently used by Brazil as an alternative to the 4-2-4 formation of late 50′s to 1970. Implemented similarly to how original 4-2-4 was used back then, use of this formation in this manner is very offensive, creating a 6-man attack and a six-man defence tactical layout. The front 4 attackers are composed as wide forwards and playmaker forward in support of a target striker in front.
“4-6-0
A highly unconventional formation, the 4-6-0 is an evolution of the 4-2-3-1 in which the centre forward is exchanged for a player who normally plays as a trequartista (that is, in the ‘hole’). Suggested as a possible formation for the future of football,[14] the formation sacrifices an out-and-out striker for the tactical advantage of a mobile front four attacking from a position that the opposition defenders cannot mark without being pulled out of position.[15] However, owing to the intelligence and pace required by the front four attackers to create and attack any space left by the opposition defenders, the formation requires a very skilful and well-drilled front four. Due to these high requirements from the attackers, and the novelty of playing without a proper goalscorer, the formation has been adopted by very few teams, and rarely consistently. The formation was first professionally adopted by Luciano Spalletti’s Roma side during the 2005-06 Serie A season (mostly out of necessity) as his “strikerless formation”,[16] and then notably by Sir Alex Ferguson’s Manchester United side in the 2007-08 Premier League season (who won the Premier League and Champions League that season).[17]
Thats whay we should get Vermelean and Zapata
I think Barca not conceeding in the final has a lot to do with the way barca kept possession esp in midfield, the presure they put on manure defenders and the fact that manure were pants on the night…
it is so stright forward that they have a great defence, they’ve scored a lot this season but conceded quite a few. they might have the best defensive record in spain but that might be bcos the spanish league is generally more open but i wldn’t be stating that as fact suggest a wild guess!
a that wiki article must have been written from some credible sources see the diagrams. u never like to admit u r wrong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4-2-3-1.gif
4231 image
not so straight forward
Franchise every team adapts a system to suit it’s own players.
You could call it 4-3-3, you could call it 4-1-2-2-1, you could call it 4-1-1-1-2-1, 4-3-2-1, 4-2-3-1
It’s nothing but semantics, and doesn’t take away from the fact the system that Barca plays is almost a carbon copy of the system that we’ve been developing, and is going to be our future!!
A
don’t you mean we’re developing a carbon copy of the barca system? You make it sound like they’re trying to be us.
there was 433 b4 barca please!
there was entertaining attacking football before this barca too!
Franchise… change has come…
Yes franchise, but it’s far too simplistic to just list a diagram and therefore say any team that plays a similar system plays exactly the same system!
In the same thing you quoted about 4-3-3, it says
“The 4-3-3 was a development of the 4-2-4, and was played by the Brazilian national team in the 1962 World Cup. Quite simply, it is a more attacking 4-3-2-1.
Then it says
“A staggered 4-3-3 involving a defensive midfielder (usually numbered 4 or 6) and two attacking midfielders (numbered 8 and 10) was commonplace in Italy, Argentina and Uruguay during the 1960s and 1970s.”
so 4-3-3 is actually 4-3-2-1, but can be staggered to be 4-1-2-2-1
That’s closest to what barca play, except for iniesta and xavi don’t play level with each other, one always drops deeper as the playmaker, mainly xavi.
so 4-1-1-1-2-1, rather than 4-2-3-1, it’s just writing it different ways
gm – yeah it could sound like that, but obviously not the case, which is why barca play it, and we’re developing it….
Fuck me…
4-2-4
4-3-3
4-5-1
4-4-2
Lets keep it simple!
fack.. crazy formations…
That’s impossible though pedro – as football is more technical and you’ve gotta analyse systems deeper than those old simplistic categorisations!
Hasn’t wenger generally played 442 when we play (what he percieves as) weak teams and the other one when we play tha mancs and chavs etc?
gm he used to play 4-4-2 most of the time, and 4-5-1 on the odd occasion, this season he’s been playing more and more 4-2-3-1/4-3-3/4-3-2-1/4-5-1(whatever you want to call it) against more or less everyone….
yeah 442 and 451
on a more important note what does everyone think of cesc’s new mowhican. (could be a hoxton fin though haven’t seen the back)?
i think AW is on record saying he feels 442 is the formation, he feels, gives a team the best balance between attacking and defending, hence why he plays it a lot. i am just pleased he has decided to be more flexible in his formations…
pedro shearer’s 1st criticism was that he kept changing formation from one game to the next. there is no team in the world that dont have their base formation. wenger imo is a 442 man through and through. 4231 was played to plug the defensive holes in midfield it didnt stop villareal, roma, united opening us up like a 24hr off licence store. its not wenger imo
barca are 433 simples i dot get this 4111111
It’s really not that complicated Franchise! That 4-2-3-1 image of the system is the closest to what barca play, but with Xavi not being a DM, and playing slightly more advanced than Yaya, but not as advanced as Iniesta
Boring! see ya 2mora for a new post and hopefully some new signings
lol
pool play 4-2-3-1
barca play 4-3-3
quite simple really
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4-2-3-1.gif
That’s the closest to what barca play, but as I said with one DM, and Xavi slightly more advanced than Yaya being a CM
A barca primarily play 3 forwards no wingers 433 like the dutch do with vp, kuyt n ruud/huntelar
thanks man
barca play one dm two cm
pool play 2dm 1rw 1Lw 1am and 1 forward that is why keane hardly played with torres
Franchise you got all that from wikipedia – which says that 4-3-3 is actually 4-3-2-1, but just 4-3-3 is easier to write! When they analyse it they say it’s 4-3-2-1!
Calling it something other than 4-3-3 is just analysing it deeper, rather than keeping it more simplistic!
4-3-2-1 is just a sub-category of 4-3-3, not a different formation.
Barca play 4-3-3. Nothing else.
They play the 5 at the back. 1 DM, 1 CM and 1 AM and then the 3 forwards. Not wingers but they just have their starting positions out wide to stretch the opposition.
What we play is 4-5-1 because Theo isnt a proper winger, nor a wideman. Plus neither Theo or AA have a starting position high up the pitch. Therefore its a 4-5-1.
Man it’s only simple if you choose not to analyse it any further than the simplistic categorisation of 4-3-3!
Messi and Henry do NOT play level with Etoo
Yaya, Iniesta, and Xavi, do NOT play level with each other.
Calling things 4-3-3 is just an incredibly simplistic way of thinking, in saying that a player’s role is only “defender”, “midfielder”, or “forward”.
Night everyone!
night pedro
Stu it isn’t 4-5-1
Wenger himself has said that when we play “4-4-2″ with theo, it’s actually “4-3-1-2″, because theo plays in between the midfielders and the forwards, which is where Messi plays most of the time…..
We played 4-2-3-1, with Song as one DM, a passing CM alongside him, Nasri or Cesc, and a more advanced central midfielder, the other one of nasri or cesc, with theo and arshavin/diaby out wide
Barca play one DM, one CM, one AM, and two wide forwards who play further up the pitch than midfielders, but not as far up the pitch as a forward
A not playing level dont prove anything footie is about movement. in a 442 the 2 cant always be level. from the sort of runs and decisions the players make then u can make out if they are wingers or forwards. its also easy to distinguish a DM from a CM
A
433, 442, 451 etc are genralisations obviously players are not robots and they move during matches. hence, a 433 may turn to a 4221 to 424 and so on during the match!
the formations provide general guidance. i’m of the opinion, like many others, that formations are not that important if you have the players with the right mentality and instructions.
as a generalisation barca play not 4231 which is what pool play!
i go to bed by saying
barca play 433
liverpool 451 (4231)
arsenal play 442 and occassionally 4231
chelsea play 433
manure mostly play 422
madrid play 442
Yes franchise, in a 4-4-2 you can have DMs, and CMs, but once you analyse it further if you’re being more specific then should that 4-4-2 have a DM, and a CM, then it turns into 4-1-3-2, but if you’re talking simplistically, then it’s just 4-4-2
I’m being kicked off the computer. catch you all later
4234114324241332442314 lol
manure 442
Man u play 443 (with the ref playing a kind of sweeping role)
barca play 433
4-1-2-2-1 is a type of 4-3-3 gm, as is 4-1-1-1-2-1, which is what Barca play, so you’re right there!
A u trying to change ur position the way u started this argument is not the same way u r going bout it.
that is a proper team photo
http://www.fcbarcelona.com/web/thumbnails/534_198/Imatges/2008-2009/futbol/primer_equip/plantilla/poster_primerequip.JPG
4-2-3-1 suits us very well i think with the players we have. like people have alreayd pointed out, formations are just a guidance , players will natuallry move about the pitch
i dont neccessarily like it 4231 we were mostly shite with it
I like 4-3-3 but only if the front 3 are forwards and not just atacking mids put out there. And for that formation you need a proper DM and a CM that will come back and defend whenever necessary.
i think even with the same team we will be better next season its natural a young team could would improve but if we add 2/3 we’ll be better still…the type of formations played are secondary in my view
if Busquets can win a CL match i don’t see why Song can’t play…yeah we may need another to buffer the position esp with Song going to the ACN and any injuries that may occur, obviously better if this players is older/more experience as we’ve got relatively young players already
players = DM/CM player
We’re talking formations and no one invited me??? I agree with everything A is saying. Simple.
LOL LAzer, take the easy way out!
difference is busquets is 3rd choice and song is 1st. bus has 2 ppl ahead of him plays less than song does hence less pressure and the privilege to grow into the role
Franchise, are you ever wrong?
Man i dont agree 100% with u when two good teams meet tactics i.e formations are very important
Of course…no one wants to bang on with Mr. A when it comes to formations 4123123232134512313.
never stu simples
And i believe you too.