Le Grove Saturday Guest Blog: Loose Lips (Sink Ships)

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It’s summer and therefore that time of year when most Goons with internet access will click onto their favourite news feeds hoping for some signs of a proactive transfer strategy, or even any transfers to have a strategy for, to add to our threadbare, anorexic and, let’s be brutally honest, sub standard squad.

On the face of it we are lucky, in this day and age, to have such an all-encompassing means of accessing many sources of information to inform us who will be in and out of our beloved Ashburton Grove. The only shame of it is that 90% of the “stories” we find will, or so it appears to me, recycle the same two or three rumours that tend to circulate about any given club at any particular time.

Note the use of the term “stories” both by me and by hacks whenever they refer to some of their work.

We all know the old adage that “hacks never let the facts get in the way of a good story” but why do they do that?

To my mind that’s answered by another less hoary axiom “a hacks job is not to tell the news but to sell papers”. If you connect that with the first rule of “hackery” then we can take all the rumours, gossip, conjecture, speculation we see generated about player transfers with the requisite amount of salt.

Of course there’ll be times when a player commits a highly visible, or audible, clanger and that would make a story unequivocally impossible to misinterpret; I’m thinking Adebayor’s fateful press conference last summer where the seeds of disaffection were sown amongst the Arsenal fans. We all heard about, and remembered, what he said then so when his performances dipped this year (admittedly after early signs of improvement) those remarks came back to haunt him and he lost our trust. Conversely Gareth Barry’s protestations about leaving Villa for a club playing Champions League football – he, of course, meant one not in Europe at all (thus allowing him to take the Arab petrodollar to plump up his pension pot). Tony Alexander Adams’ also might have thought twice about revealing our possible transfer targets, but I’ll forgive him an indiscretion like that on account of his being an Arsenal leg-end as well as a legend.

This brings me to my main point that we expect too much news and in order to satisfy our craving for it the media will attempt to feed it. This means that when all match related questions have been asked players are then interviewed about all manner of non-football related items on which they have no real knowledge and/or authority. This means most will come across as stupid (a la David Beckham), deluded (our dear manager at times), out of their trolley (the reincarnated Glen Hoddle) or plain pissed (as in ole 65% proof nose aka “Sir” Ferguson – that is if he’s not had a hissy fit with that interviewer/TV channel and is refusing to talk to them anyway).

In a way we, and I mean all participants in the media-population interface not just us Grovers, are to blame in that we want to hear about our team more and more so the number of stories generated increase – and we all know what happens to which way quality goes as quantity goes up.

Older Grovers will remember when we only had a few minutes at the end of the News at Nine with saucy old Frank Bough to tell us about the football news of the day – this is the other extreme and equally unsatisfactory.

If you were to click on Arse.com it will come as no surprise to find that at least half the items on the home page are tasters for ArseTV online, so much so that it is little better than a bill board enticing you to subscribe, an electronic flyer that’s rarely informative or timely.

Many of these tasters are for player interviews, which I believe are in response to non official stories out in the media that are less sanitised but in my opinion no more valid.

As an example, some may recall the Gallas interview where he said that he had no particular best friend in the dressing room – well the hacks interpreted that as “Gallas is Billy no mates”.

The same applies to the near constant Cesc to Barca stories.

I can imagine a hack from Marca (the sports rag which acts as a mouthpiece for General Franco’s team, aka R Madrid) coming up to our Catalan maestro after Barca’s uplifting victory against ManUre on Wednesday and an exchange ensuing thus:

Spanish hack: “Hey, great display that night eh Cesc?”

Cesc:  “Yes, they played really well, they deserved to win”

Spanish hack: “The way Barca play their football now don’t you think any player would enjoy being part of that”

Cesc:  “Yes, I suppose they would”

The next Marca headline:

“Cesc wants to play for Barca”!

The same applies to the quotes in the Mirror from Rico’s favourite player, Bendtner, which “proved” beyond all reasonable doubt how big headed and arrogant he was. The fact that the rag had to issue an apology to our occasionally untrousered Dane will have been lost in the minds of Goons who were supposed to have turned against him; I suspect a similar situation has occurred regarding how we are supposed to have turned on The Arsh for demanding a pay rise to compensate him for a higher rate of tax he finds alien.

We are, like it or not, in a situation where the media are not, or have ever been, sympathetic to us so the more our players say (however well meaning their intent), the more the assorted hacks will find ways to destabilise the ship that is AFC.

Why do they do it you may ask? Or, why do I think they do it?

I’ll take you back to a post war air disaster that wiped out an entire football club. I’m not talking about that lot from Salford just yet – this was the Torino side who were on the cusp of great things in Serie A at the time. However the loss of those players and club officials was such that the team never recovered and are even now firmly in the shadow of their more illustrious city rivals Juventus. (Torino will be playing in Serie B for the 2009/10 season as a result of relegation this year). There was not the groundswell of sentimental support flowing to Torino in comparison to the tsunami of new supporters and sympathy ManUre gained.

Now as Geoff so succinctly put it a while back, the real tragedy of Munich is that it started the transformation of an unremarkable northern outfit into a global franchise. They were nobodies then (and how I wish they still were, but I digress).

So where does the pro ManUre bias come in?

ManUre gained a lot of support based on the sentimentality of the death of the Busby Babes and around the time of sporting media taking off in the UK in a big way a majority of the hacks around at the time came from that generation of football followers. Since then there is a lingering legacy of favouring ManUre both from the media and the FA; this is a question to fully elaborate another time. Just one example off the top of my head is the differing attitude to French footballers. We all remember the infamous kung fu scissor kick of Cantona’s at Selhurst park, and equally we all remember the band of apologists who indulged that example of Rooney-type yobbery as being merely “Gallic flair”. The same media apologists would also call for Paddy to be sent back over the channel for any of his indiscretions. Funny that.

At the beginning of each Premier League season, virtually all hacks will plump for ManUre to be Champions on the basis that it is easy to go for an obvious choice and to actually rationally consider the challengers would involve actual thought and not following the herd, his is anathema to your typical hack. In order not to look like fools it is in their interest to undermine any challengers, by any which way, because if any alternative team to ManUre does usurp the special place in the hacks hearts the “honourable members of the Press” will be proved wrong.

A Case in point was Mark Lawrenson who stated on match of the day that if Arsenal won the league, in the 1997-98 season, he would eat his hat. We all know what happened that year yet all of Lawrenson’s hat collection remained uneaten.

That is the reason why we should have less interviews with players as the more they say the more their words can be twisted (and the more words there are to twist)to unsettle players, the club and their fans. Fans turning on their club is not only a “story” to be milked but it also means reduced competition to the favoured ones. Sky may have divested themselves of their share holding in ManUre plc pre-Glazer so I can no longer say there is a conflict of interest in their stranglehold on Premier League coverage but I feel old habits die hard, as anyone who has to endure Andy Gray’s hysterical match day worship of all things ManUre can attest to.If you only take one thing from my earnest ramblings whenever you read a headline finishing with “…rocks Arsenal to its foundations” or “Arsenal in turmoil” treat it with the necessary caution it deserves, remember the agenda the story comes with and the mindset of the spin-doctors delivering it.

 

Chary.

 

903 Responses to “Le Grove Saturday Guest Blog: Loose Lips (Sink Ships)”

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  1. Stu

    Sevilla? What makes you think that Maciek?

    Also, Zapata was their right back and i hear he isnt all that great in the middle. Felipe is good tho…actually is a CB for udinese…not sure what he’s like tho.

  2. Maciek

    How about Matty Upson? I have read that we have signed him. It’s probably a stupid hoax but it’s shows that Wenger want to bring at least one new central defender.

  3. incesc

    lets face it whoever becomes our new midfielder will probably end up having a breakdown.

    Look at

    campbell
    gallas
    senderos

    wenger has a history of fucking up centre backs mental stability

  4. Stu

    Thats because any good defender he gets in goes to shite because he doesnt give 2 fucks about the defensive side of football.

  5. leon

    i do agree that aa can play any were in midfield and evon better in central just behind the striker i not sure were risicbky will play but he can play either wide or central and nasri can econ play dm role,but alot of attacking options there not tomany defensive players there though

  6. Stu

    The only Porto player i rate (that i know about) is Lucho. I’d have him in a second. Great midfield general.

  7. Stu

    Incesc, do what you like. But bare in mind that its all a hoax, faked, cheating. He is a LIAR! But enjoy it anyway…….

    Samir, Mosquera doesnt even get on for them. He is the ultimate utility man. A real beast of a player but if he isnt good enough to be a regular for them then he isnt good enough for us.

  8. Samir

    Another GREAT CB IS Federico Fazio. 23 years old and 6 ft5in? Also plays for Sevilla.
    But I think I must have played on Football Manager too long…

  9. Stu

    Navas is a right cheating bastard tho. He dives like noones business. Screaming and roling around on the ground trying to get someone booked and cheat the ref. Disgraceful! Decent winger tho :razz:

  10. Stu

    Well Maciek, im gonna assume its just someone messing about. Nothing whatsoever to back up a claim like that.

  11. Samir

    Nasri said once before he can play DM. But I don’t think he would be good enough there.
    “I think so, yes,” Nasri said, when asked if defensive midfield could be his future position.

    “In any case, I am more at ease in the middle. I have more influence on the game. Even if it isn’t up to me to do the dirty work, I feel capable of doing it.

    “In England, I have learnt to take the knocks. But I still need to adjust to the positions you need to take up because you have different demands to when you play on the wings.”

  12. Stu

    Nish, both of them are bad. Its just the typical spanish (based) player. Diving and cheating, they all do it.

    Samir, that interview was on Arse.com if i remember correctly. It was probably Wengers idea and him trying to calm us about not signing a DM.

  13. Maciek

    Stu, Lucho is great. Can he play out wide as a winger. Also 1 year ago we were interested in signing some big Turkish defender from Galata or Fenerbache. I have forgotten his name but he has impressed me at the Euro’s. Also, do You remember guys Rumunian defender(Radu?). He was great.

  14. Stu

    Not really Maviek. He is a CM leader. Dont know much about him tho apart from CL games and some internationals from a few years ago.

  15. patthegooner

    Samir are you player suggestions based on you watching them in the real world or from the virtual PES/FIFA/Championship Manager World?

    There are some names there right out of nowhere.

  16. Stu

    LOL PTG, i was thinking the same.

    But dont be so suspect. I saw many a great player in PES before i ever saw them in real life.

  17. patthegooner

    I know Stu, I was a Marc Overmars fan from Fifa, I then started watching him in real life and was over the moon when we bought him. great player

  18. Samir

    LOL@patthegooner. Ye suppose so. Football Manager Live really is an addictive game. And fifa… Don’t get me started on that.

  19. patthegooner

    Nasri was another I picked up on in Championship Manager.

    And I remember for years I kept buying an Argentine called Marcelo Gallardo. The reason being he was touted as the next Maradonna and was runoured to be joining us but went to Monaco instead. I was gutted at the time but alas he was pretty shit in Championship Manager and he turned out to more the next Perry Groves rather than the next Maradonna in real life too. Fuck knows where he ended up.

  20. patthegooner

    Given up on Championship Manager though. I think I was on the verge of divorce at one stage, i used to spend whole weekends on it and could not sleep at night trying to figure out why I just lost. It got to a stage where a poor season was as bad as Arsenal losing for real, it used to ruin my day

  21. Samir

    To be honest there don’t seem to be many “Amazing” CB’s around. Vidic is probably one of the best. Still when he comes up against a top striker in Torres or Eto’o he gets demolished.
    Defenders are real hard to find unlike Attackers.

  22. goonerpress

    PTG, Samir has named two very good players. Mosquera and Fazio are great players. Fazio is for me a very very good future CB. He just needs a move to a bigger club. Same with Navas.

  23. Stu

    I’ve only ever played PES and back in 05-06 i remember buying Tevez and Mascherano for arsenal not knowing who they were.
    It was a huge fluke i suppose because i used to play mascherano on the right wing.

  24. nishanth

    One of the players who i really liked was maxi moralez.Saw him play in u20 world cup.I liked his game more than sergio aguero.He is really short though 5ft3 or something

  25. goonerpress

    I play FIFA on PSP and in the manager mode there is a bit where youth players are discovered from within the club. I had to offer a young striker called L.Severin a contract and hes an amazing player. A bit like Rooney. Don’t know where the hell he popped out from.

  26. Samir

    goonerpress:) Fazio’s 23 and 6 ft 5in. That is a crazy height for a 23 year old don’t you think. Either he is that tall or some dumb ass has edited Wikipedia..?

  27. patthegooner

    Heard of Fazio GP, and have watched him on SS a few times, he does look ok,

    But the other fella, never heard of him. Just had to google him and apparently he is looking for a move to Mexico.

  28. incesc

    Stu

    you dont know what your missing

    bear was hunting beavers and he he put his arm in its entrance ffs

  29. Stu

    Beavers huh! Fucking pussy! It was probably a rabbit hole or something gay like that. They probably even gassed the poor little bunnies before he stuck his hand in to be “safe”.

  30. Samir

    Maciek– Football manager live is a great game BTW. Its online with thousands of other people. You like have a 500k Budget and have to buy a squad of 16. You can then play against other teams (real people around the world).
    When you get good enough and have enough cash you can buy the best players.

  31. Arindam@KOL

    Macie , you are taling about Diego Lugano – a hard-as-nails motha-fungler. But not our class.

  32. nishanth

    So is vermaelen going to be an arsenal player?Gooner talk says he will sign according to reports in belgium.I remember they said the same about some player last season and it never happened

  33. Samir

    LOL Bendtner on girls:
    “It is difficult to answer whether I prefer Danish or Swedish girls, because they are both lovely. Scandinavian girls are excellent and it is a subject which I often discussed with team mates at Arsenal, a topic that often comes up in the changing rooms, the Nordic girls have a good reputation around the world as beautiful and sweet girls who are easy to get in touch with.

    Perhaps most of the rumors yesterday that Swedish girls are delicious and they are also exceptional, but I chose therefore the Danish, because they hold just a really high standard – and I have to not annoy the Danish too much!”
    Bendtner was then asked for his opinion on English girls.
    The Dane went out with Steve Bruce’s daughter, Amy, during his time at Birmingham City a couple of seasons ago:
    “There is no doubt that I would prefer both the Danish and Swedish girls, rather than the English.”

  34. nishanth

    I really think bendtner will go on to do well with arsenal if given a proper oppurtunity.If dzeko comes it will limit his oppurtunites.Don’t really see the need for a new striker

  35. nishanth

    would love it if portugal don’t qualify.I think the portugese players dive more than the spanish ones

  36. Stu

    I agree and disagree there Nish.

    I dont want Portugal to qualify because they are a bunch of cheaters, whiners bla bla bla but if they do qualify its more games for their players and less rest for the likes of Ronaldo, Carvalho, Bosingwa. Good and bad in different ways.

    Also a lot of spanish clubs are full of divers but if you look through the spanish national team there isnt many, if any at all, divers. Whether or not thats just a coincidence or that the coaches dont pick players of poor character like that is anybodys guess. But Spain dont have divers like their clubs do.

  37. Stu

    lol David, i saw it. Worse than Bendtner! At leas when Bendtner misses its a keeper stopping him, Larsson, at the ripe age of about 40, had an open goal.

  38. Lovedup Loner

    There’s a saying… There are 2 definites; death and taxes… make that 3 things; death, taxes and david slating bendtner!

  39. Lovedup Loner

    And Sorenson is garbage… David, you really are a goldfish fella! Almunia is quality mate… get with the programme!

  40. David

    Yes. THats right Loner. Sorenson is garbage and Almunia is world class…ROFL…Thats why i love Le-Grove…you guys always cracking jokes.

  41. kingsley

    Anyone watching the brazil game? felipe melo is looking very good. He’s like an essien/gilberto love child.

  42. David

    Someone asked the question….

    nishanth Says:
    June 6, 2009 at 19:47

    hows bendtner playing….

    ===============

    It needed an answer. An honest one.

  43. Lovedup Loner

    Sorenson had 1 decent season about 8 years ago…

    Anyone who rates him is a complete jibbering , droolin basket case who likes dressing up in his dead grannies underwear…

    David, you were sayin…

  44. Lovedup Loner

    Choy;

    We have Gazidis now. As long as potential targets have been identified by AW, the new chief exec should be the one who sorts the tranfers out, otherwise, whats the point of employing him?

  45. Stu

    Yes, true Lovedup. Wenger has done his bit (hopefully) of identifying the players he wants. Its up to Ivan to get the deals done.

  46. David

    He;s still class compared to almunia.

    And you can call his performance today class…as well…..no coincidence when he came off the bench in the Stoke city game the scoring just about stopped.

  47. nishanth

    I don’t remember us creating any chances in the second half against stoke.Alumnia this season has been solid.

  48. Stu

    Yeah, we stopped scoring when he came on because the game was more or less over and we started taking it wasy. Not to mention the keeper he came on for was absolutely awful. He should have saved at least 2 f the goals with ease.

  49. David

    Thomas Sorensen
    2008/09 Premier League
    Games Saves Clean Sheets
    36 112 12

    International duty…Clean Sheet in last 5 games (commentary says its an International record…dont know about that)

    Manuel Almunia
    2008/09 Premier League
    Games Saves Clean Sheets
    32 84 14

    International Duty ——-> N/A

  50. Stu

    And really 4th choice keeper for Spain is nothing to be ashamed about. Casillas, Reina and Valdez are all great keepers.

  51. Stu

    Even if we get Vermaelen Maciek? 3 new defenders would e a bit much unless we are selling Senderos, Silvesre and either loaning or selling someone else.

  52. bk

    Id be just as keen to know who we are going to sell and by fuck do we need a bit of house keeping.The squad in general has no balance. Wenger seems to be collecting attacking midfeilders and trying to fit them in other positions.We have no natural wingers,you have the likes of ebuoe,diaby,bentner,denilson and eddie playing there and for arshvin,walcott and nasri its not there position. We havnt one natural wide man.Its like hes afraid to sell fringe players in case they turn good but quite a few have to go

  53. Stu

    Completely agree there bk.
    We are like a better version of spuds atm. They have an array of attacking players all for the same positions and a shite defence unless everyone is fit. But obviously with everyone fit we are a billion times the team they are.

  54. Stu

    I know Dan, i just chose 3 spaniards that are ahead of Al anyway. I think its Palop thats their actual third choice for tournaments.

  55. David

    Actually thats

    Sorensen 1 clean sheet every 2.11 games

    and Almunia 1 clean sheet ever 2.3 games…

    Sorensen has about 3.11 saves per game…

    Almunia has 2.625 saves per game.

    What is funny is that if A, had said that Sorensen was class and ALmunia was the shite..im pretty sure you wouldnt argue with that Stu. Just cuz its A that said it…but since its David……

  56. RayGooner

    well, Ibrahimovic has still not done anything right for the Swedish National team…
    It’s games like these i’m ashamed i’m swedish…

  57. nishanth

    We have got fullbacks.Clichy is not the greatest but i can hardly think of any good LB who is playing currently.Gallas is an excellent defender.Wenger makes it look a little unbalanced at times.Playing diaby wide left.Eboue right.I am sure ramsey,vela,arshavin,and nasri ar capable of playing in the wings

  58. Stu

    How did you work that out David? 12 clean sheets in 36games is 1 in 3.

    And i dont know what A said but i dont think Sorensen is top class. He is good, not great…just like Almunia. We should be looking at far better keepers than both of them.

  59. David

    Sorensen’s international record is unquestionable…when he has a real defence infront of him….the likes of Stoke and Aston Villa.

  60. Stu

    We have good fullbacks until they are asked to contribute going forward. thats when they become average…in the final third.

  61. Dan

    I heard that Cana’s passing isnt the best and thats something we defenately need as a possesion team

  62. KM frm WALES

    hi guys

    just watching Uruguay v Brazil and its a gr8 match.
    its being played at a crazy pace – end to end. Uruguay are playing like Chelsea – long balls etc but Brazil are just amazing in attack and defence.

    i was looking at the players etc —

    Forlan for all his goals this year just has not got involved but Luis Fabiano has impressed me he would fit right in at Arsenal. Brazil’s defence has been really good but i havent been impressed by Melo – he seems strong but would struggle to fit into our fast paced football. i’d rather have Flamini or someone similar in terms of playing style.

  63. bk

    No wonder we cant afford wages.I think its time to let some staff go.who would yal let go? At least they will find gainful employment and its tough out there job seeking

  64. David

    nishanth

    I dont know about ramsey playing on the wings…i’d much prefer to play Eboue on the wings than Ramsey or Bendy…what we know is that Bendy cant play on the wings…cant play as a lone striker and only seems to perform well in the SS role linking up behind the striker…but thats Arshavins natural position….we should play Eboue on the wings imo…good defensive cover for Sagna when he drops those occasional odd clearances..

  65. KM frm WALES

    Denmark beat Sweden 1-0

    so Bedntner had the last laugh. Although he missed a sitter (nothing changed there) & Ibrahimovic came close with a free kick.

  66. David

    Out of Curiousity???

    Hungary, Malta, Albania…and Sweeden.

    You want to compare countries to EPL teams?

    heh. Ok end of conversation.

  67. nishanth

    But eboue gives us nothing going forward david.Sagna is a much better defender than clichy.I would rather have some cover for clichy than sagna.I am not saying ramsey is going to be a world beater playing in the right wing but it will be a good option.If wenger can try diaby left wing why not just give ramsey a chance?I think he played RM for wales today

  68. KM frm WALES

    Samir

    i’m just curious. why do u think that CANA is not good enough for us? who would u recommend? how abt this matuidi kid? was he playing for france U-21′s today?if he was i didnt spot him….

  69. David

    RayG

    it wasnt just Ibrahimovic imo…Larsson missed the best chance of the game…imo….honestly i think it must have been Nikki Pink boots that got in their heads talking about how he’s going to be the greatest or greater striker in 2 years time…fair play to the boy he got in their heads…its a shame he cant do it against United….he’d be laughed off the planet.

  70. nishanth

    There are not many DM’s out there within our budget.It looks like wenger will sell ade.I would rather buy a world class DM with that money than buy another striker

  71. Stu

    I was just wondering David. Nothing more. Who was the ther team tho? You only named 4.

    ANyway…Nish. I agree re Ramsey playing more if Diaby gets so many games. Ramsey is defo better that Diaby but i guess Diaby plays because of “physical presence”. Rambo played DM for Wales today and they won 1-0. Young guns say he did pretty well there but gave the ball away a small bit by trying too many difficult passes and trying to beat his man too often. He will learn tho.

  72. David

    I disagree Nismanth

    In those very tight games…Eboue gives us decent crosses into the box and Van Persie free kicks.

  73. incesc

    lol

    david

    come on eboue usually runs for a bit then get confused and loses it, he never gets the chance to cross, but i guess those free kicks that van persie never scores from are invaluable

  74. KM frm WALES

    Anyone watching the Portugal v Albania game?????

    it should give us an indication on CANA’s ability.

    btw i cant believe Portugal are on such poor form!!! they have so many good players ?!?

    the brazilian keeper Caesar is REALLY good – he just made some cracking saves. Brazil have a gr8 defence now.

    btw that villareal DM Eugeren plays for Uruguay and he hasnt been so good 2day….

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