I think we needed that humiliating spanking… But will he change?

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I’m not going to dissect what was a pretty horrible result.

Just a few points, then I’ll let you guys do the rest.

Theo missed a bag full of chances today… but there is the key. He is getting in position to miss them, he is learning his role. Earlier in the year he was barely registering a shot. It wont take long for him to develop composure… training with a genius will speed up that process. I look forward to 15 goals from him next year.

Arsenal were woeful in today… the keeper, the midfield and the defence were all terrible. We need major surgery there in the summer, and I was glad to hear the coach indicate he would sign 2 experienced players. Do I think two players will be enough? No… but it’s a start right?

The fans won’t be conned this summer. We don’t want to hear that we’ve got enough quality in the side to compete next year, because most of us aren’t stupid enough to go along with that this year.I guess what is damning for Wenger and his loyal band of disciples is that even the players don’t believe in his ideology… Almunia, Toure, Adebayor, Cesc and Robin have all mentioned the need to recruit this summer. Thousands of seasons ticket holders, hundreds of Grovers, majority of bloggers, every quality newspaper, every ex-Arsenal player, every pundit, any rival manager who is asked… all say the same.

We’re not good enough to win the league, we need to recruit. Wenger says we have no money, so when he said we need to build a new stadium to compete with ManU and Chelsea, he forgot to tell us it would take another 15 years, wow some omission. Perhaps we should have stayed at Highbury, at least we had money then.

Wenger also said judge him in May… we’re now in May. So what do we think? Well, the proof is in the pudding, and the facts are, our pudding tastes distinctly average compared to what the top three are offering… we need some better ingredients… we need to get some fresh produce from quality establishments.

Life is not a dress rehearsal… if the kids aren’t cutting it, let’s recruit some men who can. Or get real world class kids in because the one’s we have are most certainly not. How many of our team would get into ManU? Cesc maybe? Would Song, Diaby or Denilson? Would Fish head? We know the answer to that don’t we!

Today’s performance was awful, the team selection was awful and the result was down right humiliating, but hey, there will be no doubt about what needs to be done when Wenger sits down with the board this summer.

The problem is the manager will do what he wants, no one will stop him, he is Arsenal, if he made changes he has to admit he failed and he won’t do that.

We have two games left, we will lose one and win one, how bad is that, that we know we go into a game with no chance, how can anyone say anything positive about yesterday? 4 years and counting, way to go Arsene.

Over to you Grovers, what do you think needs to happen?

1,130 Responses to “I think we needed that humiliating spanking… But will he change?”

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  1. Ja_Gunner

    Nope have not seen Dzeko….but I am basing thePgreb thing off his 10 min you tube video….I know thats dangerous…but from the video I see he has good qualities as I have stated above.

    1. He seems to have pace
    2. He finishes equally well with both feet
    3. He can take free kicks…his are all about power
    4. He is 6′ 3″ but he is not clumsy like Ade
    5. He is 25 years old..basically the finished product

    Remember Ade has no left foot….he also doesnt seem to be able to open his body on teh left side and score with his right foot. From the video I have seen pogreb do all that and more.

    Also we desperately suck at free kicks…From the vid I saw Pogreb score 3 times.

    We can get Pogreb because his contract is running out….and he will want CL football plus his friend Arsh is already here so its perfect.

  2. Ja_Gunner

    Oh yeah I forgot..we have to make sure to qalify for the CL…I hope we dont get a team like Fiorentina or Valencia..that could be very tricky.

  3. Dr Whiff

    Do you think the Arsenal players get angry with Cescs constant shit free kicks and corners?!

    When Andrey doesnt take them he takes nearly all of them and he has taken about 1 good free kick all season, its so frustrating…

  4. Confidentgoner

    Its unbelievable that our mid and defense were overrun so soon after the ManU humiliation. A mid table team would not have been overrun easily.

    We have problems emerging possibly from the formation AW uses. Playing a slow Fabergas in the hole and Diaby on the left. Why play RVP upfront? Honest, the guy has lost it. Listening to his interview, he said he did that because he felt his team will pass and move.

    Well, we had some good pass and movement for 20mins, before their first major attack, a set piece. Who was the tall man to defend set pieces against Chelsea’s big men? OK, we knew the system was not working (we were 2-0 down), why not revert to 442, after the two goals? Most importantly, why does his team not track by? How easy can a bunch of dudes make money?

    AW has a lot to learn from Guus and Alex. A new manager or defensive coach might do us some good. When we won headers in the oppo 18yds, there was no intelligwence, to pick out a better positioned team mate with the header. This is fairly standard procedure for Bolton, Everton, Villa, Liverpool etc? Too many questions and no answers!!!

  5. Stu

    Im hoping Boro stay up and Newcastle and Hull go down. All in favour say ‘aye’. AYE! All opposed?

  6. Franchise

    i thought ANTM was shite what is BNTM all about???? what women make us watch?

    NTM = Next top model
    A = America’s
    B = Britain’s

  7. Stu

    It does 786 but they say ‘aye’ for i agree and ‘nay’ for no when casting votes for things. I dont know? Jeessss!!

    Im not happy. I hate the barcodes. Nothing likable about them.

  8. Stu

    Franchise, i’ve never seen the britain one but of what i’ve seen of the amercian one its pretty wank. ;)

    Its just them doing shit modelling things. Its not all bad tho…just boring.

  9. Franchise

    the owner doesnt deserve relegation with the amount he has invested in da club. he’s been hit hard by the reccession

  10. Stu

    Mike Ashley? He deserves what he gets for getting rid of KK when he was working wel with the club. Ashley should have tried to get involved with the director of football.

  11. Stu

    We should buy McManus off Celtic. He is a proper captain and is used to winning trophies…regardless of the poor league quality.

  12. Stu

    I suppose so Fran but if its between them and Boro then i would prefer Boro. I like Boro as a club.

    Bassem, i hope your not wrong. I would take him back if he wasnt too expensive.

  13. Stu

    I know Maciek. I was talking about it last night. His contract is up in november but i cant really see Wenger going for him. I hope we get him tho. Him and AA together would be brilliant.

  14. gooner786

    Stu what about Mcgeady?,or Gattuso even tho he’s 31 I think he’s got another few season’s at the top level left in him.

  15. Stu

    I dont really like McGeady. He is alright most of the time but anonymous in the big games. And for seomone coming from scotland being like that wouldnt be a smart move. He should stay where he is imo.

  16. Ja_Gunner

    Guys if the tables in the other leagues stay as they are now we will be playing one of

    Valencia, Fiorentina, Hertha Berlin, Lyon or Celtic

    in the CL qualifying.

    I hope we get Hertha, Lyon or Celtic

    What do you guys think?

  17. goonerpress

    I’ve got a Sneaky feeling we will get Hangeland, Flamini and Pogrebnyak signed up this summer. What a squad that would be.

    Almunia/Fabianski

    Sagna/Eboue Hangeland/Toure Gallas/Senderos/Djourou Clichy/Gibbs

    Rosicky/Walcott Flamini/Song Fabregas/Nasri Arshavin/Vela

    Van Persie/Eduardo Pogrebnyak/Bendtner

    The people who can fuck off:

    Silvestre
    Diaby
    Denilson
    Adebayor

  18. goonerpress

    Anyway, I’m off lads. Have a good night and look forward to more rumours linking us to players we won’t sign. I’ve got a feeling we will be linked with another striker tomorrow.

  19. gooner786

    Ja,I would try to avoid Lyon aswell, they have some very good player’s in Benzema,Keita,Makoun and Juninho who is a free kick specialist,especially with our shitty defence.

  20. goonermichael

    If we still have the same team by the time we play a qualifier it will be pointless playing in the champions league. We’ll have a better team by then and AA can play.

  21. Stu

    I’d probably have Dzekp just because he scores more goals and in a better league. But Pogrebnyak is more experienced and we know he would do well with AA. I dont really like Gomez. He showed his true worth in the Euros.

  22. Coadsi

    Stu do u know of Demba Ba of hoffnhiem? is he any good? i agree that Gomez flopped at the Euros but i still think he is quality

  23. Ja_Gunner

    Arsenal will enter the Champions League qualifying at the Play-off Round, which takes place the same week as that stage of the Europa League. But they may face a stiffer task this term as the best placed runners-up will play each other, with Champions of smaller nations in a separate qualifying area. It means Arsenal could, as the tables stand now, play Valencia, Fiorentina, Hertha Berlin, Lyon or Celtic.

  24. Stu

    I know OF him. Dont know anything about im tho.
    But if his form is anything like his teams then he has been poor in the second half. They were top at new years and are down near midtable now.

  25. gnarleygeorge9

    Ja, Don’t be too worried about Celtic, they huff & puff, but @ the end of the day are pretty harmless :) & besides Irish teams don’t do that well in CL qualifiers :lol:

  26. Coadsi

    Best-placed team Play-off
    The following teams will enter in the play-off round, joined by the 5 winners of the Best-placed team qualifying round:

    Arsenal
    4th placed team of La Liga 2008–09
    4th placed team of Serie A 2008–09[6]
    3rd placed team of Ligue 1 2008–09
    3rd placed team of Fußball-Bundesliga 2008–09

    JA those five teams will be joined by 5 others methinks

  27. Coadsi

    dont think uefa will want the big guns facing each other that early. so i think those 5 teams would be considered as seeded teams to face the other 5 unseeded teams (i think)

  28. abdulhakim09

    does it make me any less fan if i live outside england/n.london? Does it make me a plastic fan if i question the management of wenger? As a fan, do i have no right to question wenger eventhough it’s something that he can improve? :?

  29. Coadsi

    i think these 10 will have it out first to determine which 5 plays with those in our group

    For best-placed team
    Unknown seeding

    Runners-up of Liga I 2008–09
    Twente
    Runners-up of Scottish Premier League 2008–09[4]
    Runners-up of Süper Lig 2008–09
    Runners-up of Ukrainian Premier League 2008-09
    Runners-up of Belgian First Division 2008–09[5]
    Playoff Group Winners of Super League Greece 2008–09
    Runners-up of Gambrinus liga 2008–09
    Seeded teams

    Sporting CP
    Unseeded teams

    Dynamo Moscow

  30. Fire Wenger!

    The board are quiet. Don’t they have any feeling left for the club or are they all busy counting their money?

  31. Fire Wenger!

    Potentially, these players will leave of their own volition :

    Arshavin
    Gallas
    Robin Van Persie
    Senderos
    Traore

    Do you think Arsene will replace them?

  32. Fire Wenger!

    We reward incompetence with new contracts!

    Theo
    Wenger
    Eboue
    Adebayor

    Look at the list of players who have renewed their contracts over the last 12 months.

  33. Fire Wenger!

    Does anyone think that Arshavin has been impressed with the players with whom he shares his dressing room? Or do we think that he has a special loyalty towards Arsene Wenger who dropped him for the most important game that he was qualified to play?

  34. Fire Wenger!

    Buy your wife an expensive diamond necklace, Arsene!

    Learn to spend your money first, then maybe you will be able to screw up the courage to spend some money for the club.

  35. Stu

    In the summer i’d be happy with Hangeland and good DM and Pogrebnyak in november.

    Whats up with ‘arry Redknob? Going mad because a player who only plays once a week MAX goes on a piss up. Whats the big fucking deal with players drinking as long as it doesnt affect their game!

    And I was talking with my mate a while ago. His club, liverpool, have brought in a free player every summer for the last 4 or 5 seasons. I got to thinking. I might be wrong but wasnt Campbell the last player we got in on a free. Its the best way to avoid spending on a transfer fee. You’d think Wenger would jump at the chance to get a free player being a cheap fucker and all.

  36. Stu

    AND when we concede a goal look at the players reactions!!! They just look at each other with no anger. Noone gets blamed even if its blatantly their mistake! Noone cares enough to get pissed off at letting a goal in. Its so fucking annoying!!!!!

  37. Stu

    Well he is better than JD and being a Bolton player can deal with a high ball. I still wouldnt pay anywhere close to 10m for him, let alone 20m.

  38. Stu

    Fine so BBK, you grumpy fucker! Who would you have at the back? Hangeland is the best we can hope for.

  39. Stu

    Well there are better defenders but none that we (wenger) would think about going for. We all know he is clueless when nuying good defenders so hopefully all the coverage around Hangeland this season will force Wengers hand.

    Wenger doesnt scout defenders because any good defender is over 20.

  40. BOY BETTER KNOW

    there’s so much bollocks going on in the board we keep hearing there’s money then there’s not alot,to much shit going on…….

  41. Stu

    2 players would help but wont solve all the problems. Chiellini and Villa would help but we would still need help after than.
    We are fucked!

  42. BOY BETTER KNOW

    to fucking right stu,now having to qualify to qualify wile playing a stronger team in the champs league is fucked,yet again its wengers fault for not buying at the start of the season and replacing the cunts that left……

  43. Stu

    BBk, i think your negativity has rubbed off on me. I tend to be agreeing more and more with what you say.
    Being negative is one thing but completely different when its right. Wenger has fucked us over and its his fault we have gone to shit.

    It seems that its only us gooners that are growing to ‘dislike’ Wenger. Everyone else still thinks he is the dogs bollocks.

  44. Ja_Gunner

    Here are some names for defensive mid from another blog

    Nenad Milijas (Red Star Belgrade & Serbia)
    Demy de Zeeuw (AZ Alkmaar & Netherlands)
    Miguel Veloso (Sporting & Portugal)
    Daniele De Rossi (Roma & Italy)
    Jeremy Toulalan (Lyon & France)
    Lorik Cana (Marseille & Albania)
    Tomas Sivok (Besiktas & Czech Rep)

  45. Ja_Gunner

    He looks very attcking in the vid..but he is listed as a defensive mid….so if he defend..his long range shots may be a bonus lol.

  46. Stu

    In the way that you cant truly judge a player based on his youtube clip its even more true for defensive players.
    Youtube clips are compiliations of goals and assists etc but since defensive players do the opposite its impossible to judge them on a few clips.

  47. Ja_Gunner

    Yea its all fun and games for me really, I am jut throwing sme names out there that I have seen from other sites thats all.

    God knows who Wenger will sign.

  48. Stu

    Exactly BBK. Damn near everyone in the squad prefers to attack than defend. Thats where our prolem is. Noone cares enough or at all about keeping a clean sheet as long as they get a chance to score themselves. The best example is Gallas. How often this season have his goals been an equaliser after he fucked up for a goal.

  49. Ja_Gunner

    Attacking players lol

    Pavel Pogrebnyak (Zenit St P’burg & Russia, ST) ++ partnership with Arshavin
    Milos Krasic (CSKA Moscow & Serbia, RM/W)
    Moussa Dembele (AZ Alkmaar & Belgium, RW/LW/ST)
    Yoann Gourcuff (Bordeaux/Milan & France, RM/W)
    David Silva (Valencia & Spain, LM/LW)
    Fernando Llorente (Bilbao & Spain, ST)
    Marek Hamsik (Napoli and Slovakia, LM/LW)

  50. Stu

    Ja, the only one of those that is even slightly likely is Pogrebnyak because he is on a free in november. And Dembele because he plays in a shit league and is 21.

    Other than that they would be too expensive.

    BBK, on Paddy Power they are 4/5 but they will have to play Reading or Burnley in the final.

  51. Fire Wenger!

    Stu, BBK is not making you change your point of view. It’s the teams abject performances and the manager’s strange team selections that are making you change.

    You are very rational as you have always been.

  52. A

    what did people think of the reserves today?? lovely JET goal.

    does anyone know whether the youth league final is home or away? banfield said today it’s been scheduled for sunday i believe

  53. BOY BETTER KNOW

    j.e.t is the only one out of all of them who can make it at arsenal he is sick,the rest are shit

  54. A

    not sure about that bbk – coquelin is class, murphy has something about him, miquel looked absolute quality too, and bartley and ayling have a chance, as does frimpong just about. sunu could have a chance as well, JET is quality though

  55. A

    won 2-0 against west brom stu, both goals in the second half, JET got his first for the reserves.

    It was interesting for me that Bartley was given the armband for the first time with randall the official captain there, makes me think that he could be staying at the club rather than going on loan next season, and maybe reserve team captain see if he can make a push for the first team squad

    maybe i’m reading too much into it though!

  56. A

    disagree with that bbk – i’d say coquelin is a level above him, or at the very least on the same level, though i expect coquelin to turn into a much better player! i think we’ll see miquel really start to show his class next season as well, and if murphy stays fit he’ll score a goal a game for the reserves

  57. BOY BETTER KNOW

    miquel likes to go forward to much coquelin has just got energy j.e.t has got the lot he drives that team forwards

  58. A

    and that’s just out of the team today – wilshere obviously is a level or two above him, merida just above him, and i have high hopes for freeman, afobe, and ozyacup (no idea the spelling) though they’re all an age group or two below

  59. A

    incidentally the england u17s are playing turkey tomorrow at 545 on eurosport and wilshere, freeman, and afobe should be involved

  60. A

    yeah JET does have something special about him bbk – i just hope it can transfer to the top level. next season the reserve team could be scary, will be interesting who goes on loan and who breaks into the first team etc, as well as the league cup team.

  61. BOY BETTER KNOW

    ARSENE WENGER appears to me as if he can’t see what’s wrong with the current Arsenal squad and the set-up at the Emirates.
    The Gunners manager is without doubt one of the best of all time but I am now beginning to wonder whether he is still in tune with the Arsenal fans.

    Why hasn’t he replaced Thierry Henry?

    Why hasn’t he found someone to fill the huge gap left by Patrick Vieira?

    Why haven’t Arsenal had a top-quality keeper since David Seaman hung up his gloves?

    And why doesn’t he play Theo Walcott straight down the middle as the natural goalscorer Arsenal desperately need?

  62. BOY BETTER KNOW

    Ian wright is spot fucking on,it’s time wenger had a good look at himself at what’s going on and put things right,the time is now wenger this summer is your last hope for not fucking up your name at this club all together…..

  63. el tel

    I know there is nobody out there at this unearthly time but a comment that may get read anyway.

    Wenger has got to go. Where is Van Basten off too as he quit Ajax? Can we have him and DB10. Maybe Van Basten can get more from Van Persie and Nikki B, then we can get rid of cunts like Ade, Diaby, Eboue,Almunia.

    Why did Diaby play?
    Why does our best aerial player come on and play the wings?
    Why does the crowd boo Nikki for missing chances but cheer Theo when he misses about 5?
    Why did he buy the Mancscum cunt?
    Why does he mug himself by saying Almunia is world class?
    Why does he play Ade?
    Why does he leave players on the bench till the game is lost?
    Why has he never been a tactician?
    Does he fool himself and the players with his tactics?
    Our greatest Manager only has a slightly better record than George Graham but he had twice as many years to achieve this.

    The only thing to do now is change things. We keep saying the Chavs have no stability but they are better than us over the past 5 years and it never hurts Real Madrid for long when they dump Managers.

    Here is my list of candidates for Arsenes job.
    Moaninho
    Hiddink
    Van Basten and DB10
    Jol (yes him)
    Rikaard
    Capello

  64. el tel

    Other managers to think about.

    Bilic
    Moyes
    Scolari ( would suit our style better than the Chavs and he would have a point to prove)
    O Neill

  65. el tel

    IN

    Huntelaar
    Green
    Toulalan
    Lescott
    Richards
    Alonso
    Villa
    Senna

    OUT

    Ade
    Diaby
    Almunia
    Van Persie
    Toure
    Gallas
    Mancscum
    Clichy
    Eboue

    PROMOTE

    Jack Willshere
    Gibbs
    JET
    Vela
    Coquelin
    Ramsey

  66. Pat

    el tel, we don’t need all that really.

    how about this?

    _________Almunia___________
    Sagna__Zapata/Chilieni__Gallas__Clichy
    ___________Alonso__________
    ______Cesc_____Rosicky_____
    RVP______Eduardo_______Arshavin

    Bench: Nasri, Theo, Coupet, Toure, Tevez,Gibbs, Hazard/Dzeko

    Thats a fucking quality team right there.

    Alternatives:
    Chilieni/Hangeland/Sakho for Zapata
    A hard-working CDM instead of Alonso
    Playing Theo through the middle(where he is much better), or buying Tevez/other striker.

    Sell Djourou, Ade, Diaby and Denilson
    Buy Tevez(or other), one of those CBs(preferably Chilieni, although I really like Zapata), Coupet.

    Cesc and Rosicky could work like Iniesta and Xavi. Rosicky is our best player, MAYBE 2nd to Arshavin. If he does play next season, you will soon remember what I’m talking about.

  67. A

    alonso couldn’t do that job by himself pat, but otherwise i like that starting line up, provided chiellini/zapata are up to it.

    i’m absolutely convinced that wenger is copying the barca system, with xavi=cesc, iniesta=nasri, and currently song=yaya. they’re all pretty similar, but just a level below currently. likewise messi=arshavin, henry=theo, and vp=etoo, though with vp rather than etoo that’s the one big difference in the system, because he’s someone who isn’t going to run in behind as much as etoo does, but he’ll play in the wide men more than etoo does, as he did with theo on sunday. eduardo could end up in that role though, or maybe vela?!

    i agree about rosicky, he’ll return and be a wonder player next season, and will be first choice ahead of nasri. The thought of him interlinking with cesc, arshavin, and vp is mouthwatering!

    now just to sort ourselves out defensively….!!

  68. A

    bbk i really dunno about JET at centre mid – he’s too tactically inept to even play there for the youths, so i’m not sure if he’ll ever develop that area of his game adequately to play there for the first team….

  69. A

    though it will be interesting where he features regularly for the reserves next year, my guess is as an attacking mid/second striker, or out wide

  70. Stu

    El Tel, i like your lists. The ins and outs. But Green is one of those keepers who excells at a lesser team. Hence why no matter how many saves he makes he will still concede. Im not sure about Richards either.
    Other than that i like it.

  71. Pat

    A, thats why my alternative was a hard-working CDM. I have doubts about Alonso doing that job too. At Liverpool, he has Masch to help out.

    Cesc, like Xavi, likes to play a bit deeper.
    Rosicky can assist, score great goals, and is probably our most intelligent player(like Iniesta for Barca).

    I’m hoping this summer AW keeps his word and realizes that we are not that far from being great. 2-3 great signings is all it takes, imo. A CB, CDM, and possibly another striker to replace Ade. These have to be class players though.

    I’m a bit worried about AW telling us Rosicky will be one of our world class signings…What if he gets injured again?

  72. Stu

    Until just recently i had forgotten about the Ajax keeper Stekelenbyrg. He is supposed to be the dutch no.1 but im not sure. And it seems e has been frozen out at Ajax because he is playing for their reserves and Vermeer, who is fucking useless, is starting all Ajax’s games.
    I think he would be worth a shot because of his age, about 26, and he plays for his country.

  73. Pat

    I don’t see why an Arsenal fan would want Gallas out. He’s been one of our only world class players this season. Hell, if he had a partner like Vidic I’m sure he’d be better than Rio.

  74. Stu

    Some of us want Gallas out because of his attitude and performances at the start of the season. I would keep him purely based on his ability. But other factor have to be taken into account.

  75. A

    yeah i agree completely Pat – tbh i think song COULD become that player, and he’s come on leaps and bounds this season, but with kids in so many other positions all across the pitch, i’d rather see someone like yaya come in who’s there already rather than on his way to that level. Someone top top class, and can really do the midfield defensive work properly. Song is still tactically naive at times, and having someone holding to fort centrally who really knows what they’re doing rather than learning their trade could help the entire team.

    i really really don’t think there’s any chance of a forward, and wenger even said he’s not gonna sign a striker.

    we started the season with vp and ade as the starters really, and bendtner as a reserve and occasional starter, with vela to come through, and eduardo to return

    next season, even if ade goes, we’ll be starting the season with vp, but then a fully fit eduardo, bendtner who needs to start more games than last season, vela who i reckon will be in the position to play as much as bendtner did this season, not to mention arshavin! Theo too will eventually play through the middle.

    so even if ade goes we’re still overloaded with forwards, and with bendtner and vela needing to play more to develop, along with eduardo returning, there’s no way wenger would bring someone in over their heads. there’s also no way that wenger would offload bendtner or vela, as he rates them very very highly.

    the only way i could see a forward coming in is if ade goes, AND vp doesn’t sign a contract, so we have to sell him, otherwise with just ade off or even staying noone will come in there.

    i agree about a CB and a DM, top top quality, and i think that’s it, or a second CB should gallas go.

  76. A

    pat i’m not sure he’d be better than rio, but he is a top top class centre back – the only reason he’d go if he does this summer is because of personal problems and relationships, nothing to do with his footballing ability.

  77. A

    yeah but pat it’s unnatural for him to be quiet – i think he’s just putting up and shutting up until he can get his wish to vamos off to pastures new in the summer. I wouldn’t mind a swap with sakho, on top of a top top quality signing alongside that. sakho as back up with time to learn his trade and play the odd game in the mean time in the league cup etc

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