Ok so because Aston Villa were lucky enough to win again and beat Portsmouth we have to win at Goodison, a draw or worse would be a disaster, what’s worse is they have Mario the mechanic back tonight and he will dominate our fragile midfield if we let him.
They have no real forwards so it will be a 4-5-1 from them as they tend to win from midfield, but we can spring a surprise if he attacks from the off so this is what I would do tonight.
It’s bold and it’s adventurous and it doesn’t involve his favourites but this is what I would do if Wenger let Le Grove pick the team tonight, and frankly after the Cardiff game, he ought to.
Almunia (because he will)
Sagna Kolo Djourou Clichy
RVP Diaby Nasri Vela
Bendtner Adebayor
The reason I would pick this team is because we could be creatively dominant with Nasri and Diaby, they looked comfortable after the shaky start the others had in the first half (against Cardiff) if we do that again Everton will hammer us. RVP plays out on the right for Holland to great effect and Vela can play out left, and when he plays we are better going forward and maybe as we have two big boys up front we can whip some crosses in with the long ball, don’t forget we hit them with the long ball last season to great effect.
I would have Eduardo on the bench as the impact sub as he destroyed them last year Wilshere, Denilson and Ramsey as cover for Diaby.
Following the news that Rosicky will make his comeback in March makes me even angrier that we have not replaced the injured players by now and we have had two players out for a year or more, you can put a temp in for so long but two for a year is just plain daft.
Still the news today that we have said was the reason he doesn’t spend has finally surfaced as the boss admits he is paid on performance, the article in the Guardian says he is paid handsomely because he makes the club money, so now we know, it’s not about the right player, it’s about his salary and that is why he persists with such young and ordinary players. If of course the article is true.
You judge for yourself (LINK) but it would explain why we keep getting in money and never spending it.
I still think we will get Arshavin though because he couldn’t stay at Zenit now and if they don’t sell him they will have to wait until the summer when the market will be worse and the player will be older and when we’ll be in the Uefa cup.
I wonder what the managers reward will be then?
I still have faith that we will sign Arshavin and another only because it’s obvious to the world that at least two players are not up to the standard we need to succeed and two others are long term injured.
Come on Arsene, now your secret is out spend the money and please don’t pick that team that played Cardiff, if you do we’ll lose, also try Nasri and Diaby together, when you do we look better, we really do and don’t forget you bought them, they’re your players too!
Have a great day Grovers Scotland is a long way to go to play a midweek game, let just hope the wheels are still on the team coach when the game ends, I meant no offence to anyone there as I know that people from the area do not steal hubcaps and I know Everton is not in Scotland I was being silly and trying to be funny about the fact that Liverpool is a long way up north, there humour explained.
3-1 to the Arsenal if he plays that team.
Le Grove is now smart phone compatible!
Pedro
Geoff
boom!
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Me?
Now off to read the post!
2nd, not bad.. Bring Ashy on loan then let him buy out his contract – Job done!!
To repost what I said earlier:
Morning all, what a miserable night of results last night was. Jeez, there seemed to be an FA rule that “one must send off a player from teams playing against those above Arsenal”. Add that to the non-event that is Arse Shavings signings and that even the spuds won last night and one could get pretty cheesed off.
It makes it all the more important we stuff the toffees tonight. On the up side, and I’m desperately trying to find one, our team tend to try harder in must win games than in ones we are expected to win. Oh dear, straw clutching there !
YOU ARE A CUNNING FOX……….IF WE LOSE TODAY………!!!!!!
YOU WILL EXPERIENCE THE WRATH OF THE FANS.
Asked whether Arsenal’s relatively frugal nature allowed him to be paid handsomely, Wenger said: “I am on a very good contract. I am one of the few managers who makes money for my club every year. That is the most important. I tell you something, if I would not make money for the club, I would not be on a very good contract.”
Personally I would start with Robin, and I also think Gallas will come back in – poss for Kolo
i repost too
Arsene Wenger knows his team wont win anything. He is just too proud to admit he got it wrong. He would rather give the club and fans heartache and persist with his ideologies hoping he sneaks in a trophy. He cant wait to say I told u that they would come good.
Lets be honest, its been 3 years since Diaby, Ade and Walcott came to the club. 4 years since Eboue and Song touched base. Yet not one of them is really cutting it yet. How long more do we have to wait???
Robin instead of Nik I mean
nearly 1700 posts yesterday is that arecord?
Rico Emile is 31 this year
Jeff/Pedro… The heading should have been “Arsene knows (how to make himself and the club money) but has no ambition to win a trophy!
While i admire you attacking verve Geoff – there is no way we could play that team.
Absolutely no defensive protection to the back 4 at all.
You need to have Denilson in there.
Almunia
Sagna Toure Djorou Clichy
Nasri Diaby Denilson Vela
RVP ADE
GMR. Your last comment sent shivers down my spine. I hadn’t thought about the RvP situation. AW saying things like ‘he has grown up’ , ‘he loves the club’. making him Captain. All while contract negotiations continue.
You are right. We have reason for concern
Franchise – then AW wouldnt even look at a player that age
I actually find it hard to believe about you know who, as he is 28 soon and wont have any value in two years time – and yet another player we buy and will no doubt end up letting go on a freebie
I remember making jokes ages ago that Wenger was on a financial performance contract! haha! The truth is outed!
So he sacrifices success for personal gain? He’s just like the rest of them! haha!
Great post. If he plays vela from the off I’ll eat my own turd. It just won’t happen
I highly doubt he will start with that line up Geoff……..
So 2-1 for me
I would have said 1-0 but you can bet your house on us conceding a set piece goal….Cahill anyone?
We all know what Team Wenger is going to play….
Al
Sagna Kolo JD Clichy
Eboue Song Denilson Nasri
Ade RVP
We will be losing 1-0 then he will take off Eboue for Bendtner and push nasri in the middle for the 3rd time, maybe sub song for diaby, then in 88th minute put Vela on….
NO way will we play 4-2-4. Nice idea though, and quite likely when we chase the game in the final 10 minutes !!
It seems forever Franchise……and the reason is because the board are just not ambitious like the manager, and they know there can get away with almost anything, including going trophy-less for half a decade….damn, it is a long time since we won anything!
morning all… cant see us winning tonight, lescott and jagielka are looking awesome at CB lately.
apparently we have to sign arshavin by 2pm today or he wont get a work permit… thats according to arseblog
where is the game on the net tonight??
What is our boss on, he has now said that Everton could still win the league!!!! Talk about praise up the side we are challenging – concentrate on your own team please….
What about Runnerbeano – seems like he is in a bit of bother…
I think you’re spot on sparrow. Everton score a lot from set pieces so it’s just as well we’re really good at defending them. oh fuck
It’d be nice to see a change in the line up but I just can’t see it. Very depressing.
I repeat.
AW is a man of principle. It is inconceivable that he would place persoanl profit before the well-being of the club.
ed atom if arsene wenger were ambitious he wouldnt be concerned about making money. he would be coaching a club like madrid that would back him with cash for transfers
A.T, I can’t see that mate. It would probably mean that he couldn’t play against the Spammers if he doesn’t sign by 2p.m todya, not that he won’t get a permit fullstop.
Raddy – i agree, if he is not spending i think its come from the board and not him. i just wish he and the board would tell the truth, then we could all try and understand. he just seems to come accross as being a tight old tinker.
I agree Raddy. I think much of his statement is open to misinterpretation.
Morning all……
As much as I would love too see that team fielded tonight it just wont happen. Wenger has been stubborn all season long so far so I dont see why he would suddenly change now! Apart from Nasri, our midfield will be made up of 3 out of the 4 fucking useless (maybe a little harsh on Denilson) players we have in the midfield berth: Diaby, Denilson, Eboue & Song.
Wenger will prove yet again that he is losing the plot, Song and Eboue will prove yet again that they are utter dog shit and Arsenal will prove yet again they have no clue in how to steer the club in the right direction.
I have 2 Everton fans next to me who cant see anything other than a win for the Toffee twats!!
Arsenal….prepare to get dominated!
Massively negative moan over!
Morning All, I have to say that there is as much more chance of my aunty starting on the left tonight than Vela, but it is a very attacking team you have selected, if only! I think tonight we will struggle to contain their midfield and they will dominate for the match and make us look very average at times (which is not hard with the teams that AW selects). I am afraid although nothing but a win is required in this game, we will need a lot of luck just to come out with a draw let alone a win. A season ago this kind of thinking would never have crossed my mind, but thanks to AW and the board I think like this on most match days now.
Sparrow, you’re probably right.
Steve – They are saying that he needs special paper work to play in the EPL. Not sure if its a work permit or not but they say it takes 2 days to complete and that it couldnt happen over a weekend. Therefor today looks like its pretty close to deadline day…..
Steve u dont say stupid things like that if u dont want to be misinterpreted.
since when did a football manager start to concern himself with making money for the club as opposed to winning trophies……there has to be an enquiry into this. Since David Dean left, we have slowly become a laughing stock on all fronts.
I think its hi time the fans start making their true feelings known. We want the truth.
steve, i read it takes 2 days to get the work permit papers done and it cant be done on the weekend… they can probably stretch it but i doubt theres allot of room to maneuver.
Ah, something to laugh about. The Brazilian striker, Fred, that the spuds were after failed to turn up for a meeting with the twitchy one. Another player tells the Spuds to go forth and multiply.
Im not quite prepared yet for another trophyless campaign. I think I need to start gearing myself for a possible trorhyless season and for a UEFA Cup campaign 09/10
maybe wengers contract is so good because he agreed to work with fuck all money… that way he gets the best of everything… loads of money, no pressure to sign anyone and no internal pressure to win because he doesnt spend and all the while he gets to play song and eboue 40 times a season
Michael no, I don’t think it’s a record! I think many of you can’t believe the manager would be anything other than honest with you, he’s no Jesus.
He wanted the credit for moving stadiums, he wanted the credit for selling Anelka and getting Cesc, so he should take the flack for winning nothing and buying shit players.
Oh balls A.T, I wasn’t aware of that.
Franchise, I agree. But I think the fact that he was talking about his own salary in the same sentence as making signings was bad timing and not a slight on Wenger’s greed.
I just saw Robinho has been questioned about rape in Manchester, that would explain his disappearance.
I will re-post what i said much earlier, in yesterdays blog;
As another transfer window draws to a close, and i know we still have time blah blah blah, but i look at clubs like Villa, who identify a weakness in their first team and try to eradicate it, Heskey comes in because of the Carew situation, and he earns them the win.
We, on the other hand do almost all we can not to spend any money on new players, the weaknesses and flaws in this squad are so apparent, but nobody does anything to rectify the situation. Well Grovers something’s gotta give. The Board CANNOT expect the fans, supporters, call ‘em what you will, to continually pay the kind of money they are forking out to watch a lower league player like Song, or a bit-part player like Eboue continually get first team games because that’s all we’ve got! That is totally unacceptable. We (PHW) brags how we don’t need external investment, and that we are the 2nd, 3rd richest club in the world. Yet i am reliably informed that for all PHW announcements and Danny Fizman’s ‘if Arsene wants to spend £30m on a single player’ bollocks, it is just that, bollocks! You’d think that with TWO billionaires at the club either Usmanov or Kroenke would get involved in player purchasing budgets? Well they are not even allowed to give money for players, not loan, give. That is totally and completely down to Fizman, who will not allow their involvement, make of that what you will. As a result AW has had to go with this youth policy because he has no choice. These two-faced cunts are lying to us and making AW take all the flack for them.
So, let’s be clear on this current situation, Everton, Villa & Co. haven’t suddenly become much, much better, we have been sliding backwards for three or four seasons now. To be honest, what is the fucking point of having a world class stadium when you’ve got a team full of lower league players playing in it??? I’d rather go and watch TH14, RP07 etc etc over at Mitcham Common, and pay top dollar for the privilege.
However, i will now add the following;
It’s now so painful obvious why we have to put up with the likes of Song, Eboue et al every fucking week, it’s because they are fucking cheap! The so-called ‘I will only buy better than what we have’ what a cuntish statement to have made knowing what we now know!!
The truly worrying aspect in all of this is, why would any player, not just quality ones, but any player want to come to a club whose only ambition is to make money??
With that eye opening statement that AW has now come out with, it brings into contention the reasoning for not starting particular players who have been signed from other clubs and have a performance related payment scheme attached to their transfers, all of this stinks to high heaven.
Grovers, while these people are running our club we will never win anything again, their priorities are no longer football, but money.
And Geoff, I totally concur with that. It’s the same in any workplace that you should get praise for a job well done but untimately, if you don’t reach your targets then you have to be held accountable.
So basically, his targets from the board are obviously financial and not trophies.
Geoff the incident happened 2 weeks ago
of course Arsene is ambitious, it’s silly to suggest he’d risk failure just to boost his own wages.
Being picky Geoff, its not rape, its a serious sexual assault, either way though its not good for him
blimey dennis
So I hear Arseshavin has a 3 million loyalty cause that he expected Arsenal to pay those greedy Zenit pigs. Arsenal said piss off and he said, fine I’ll pay it, but give me 80,000 p/w? To which they said fuck you Asshavin..Supposedly that is the sticking point.
Sorry to say this… because I don’t know the ins and outs of the case… but in general, I would say a good looking 24 year old athlete who earns £140k a week… doesn’t need to seriously sexually assault. I doubt there are many young girls who wouldn’t throw themselves at him…
I remember reading that Kanye West is scared of being single more than anything else becuase he worries girls will cry rape and ruin his career…
Has a case of rape ever been proved against a footballer?
we are fucked.
Wasn’t Raphael Meade done for rape?
I hate being Doom and Gloom, but what can you do? Its a shame that we can all probably pick a better team than Mr Wenger will tonight…. sniff!
BTW – Is the game on TV or is this a Stream jobby?
Interesting post, Geoff!
I wouldn’t put Nik up front yet. The boy gets carried away too easily (what Davi was accusing Theo of yesterday). Impact sub yes, starting line up – no.
Re the Arsh saga, I am pretty sure it will still happen. Zenit is now negotaiting through the press. Clearly, no fee has been agreed and ZSP are being creative to find a way to fill the gap between Arsenal’s offer and what they want.
Franchise, the squad we have can win us the FA Cup. The draw has been kind to us so far and Theo/Eduardo will be back after the WBA/Burnley match, with Fab coming back in April…things aren’t so bad.
Pedro:NO.its settled out of court.
Pedro – if it transpires they is no truth in this allegation, which like you i believe it to hold little or no substance, those making such an allegation should have the book thrown at them! What ever happens, Robinho will face cruel chants every week no doubt.
On the lighter side, he may just learn to hate it here and leave the UK, City dont deserve a player of such class
Also, if the board is stupid enough to compensate the manager for how much money he makes, we need a new board. We need at least one footballing man on the board.
Remember the flack RvP and Stack got…
At least one positive of living on the other side of the world! The game is live on TV!!!
At 4:00 am, but live nevertheless!
since he’ll never play that unbalanced gung-ho football manager team your prediction is way off the mark. And since their is a 66% chance that we won’t win, you practically put yourself in a win-win situation. Nice one.
The Summary of things IMO
1. Arsenal are not skint
2. the board dont force Wenger to make them money
3. the board allow Arsene to do as he wants cos ‘Arsene Knows’ and until recently had ensured that the club has known good times
4. Wenger chose to go the youth way
5. Wenger knows he is running out of time. His pride and self indulgence would see him persist with things as they are.
6. Arsenal board cant be happy about how things are going
7. Wenger has been talking thrash in the media cos he is running out of ideas
8. Until we sign 3 established players a DM, CB and winger/AM we wouldnt win shit
Tonight.
Here’s how I see it.
Almunia will only have two shots to save all night. Hence Everton will score at least once.
Song will have Fellaini in his pocket, and Denilson will outplay Arteta.
Cahill will be anonymous because WG will play and be deternined to show why he is a great player. JD/Kolo will snuff out there other striker.
Everton have a very strong defence and we will struggle to score. But Ade is coming into form and will bag at least one. RvP will score a screamer of a free-kick. And Nik will come on as sub and score with a header from a pinpoint Clichy cross.
Pienaar will be sent off for two yellow card offences.
So 3-1 to us.
A man can dream can’t he !!
Thats the wrong way to say it, hes saying that if he was to make no money for the club and we were in debt like the chavs, he wouldnt be on a mega bucks deal, but because he makes money, he is allowed to be paid accordingly
Same as any job
Hi grovers,
TBH i am not surprised by AW comments. It is the board that has prioritised the making of profits to trophies. AW has proved that he can win trophies when given the backing but when the emphasis is then placed on him to making profits he also delivers. Like I have always said AFC IS RUN AS A BUSINESS FIRST, the beautiful football, “principles” or “culture & tradition” within the club of the past was and has always been just part of the brand equity AW tried establishing
The board rewards AW for his co-operation by giving him the leeway and power to do whatever he deems fit on the footballing side of things as long as he keeps balancing the books -fair deal.
If we want trophies the board has to demand it and put the money where the mouth is, simple! Somehow I don’t see that happening as long ££££££ keeps flodding in and we look like we are challenging. The men running the club are businessmen first then fans second.
I wouldn’t be surprise if AW has a contract that forbids him contradicting the board to the Media. But this is a small sacrifice to make as he is unlikely to have the freedom to keep running his pet project in anyother club of a similar status.
DDM , well said and I have been having the same thoughts as you, if AW wanted to buy a 25-30mil player would he be geiven the funds? I think not which is why he doesnt even bother. I said at the beginning of the season that we will win fuck all and now I am convinced we will be in the UEFA cup next season.
Hiya rico, sorry but i needed to say all that, i can’t tell you how angry i am right now.
Raddy –
AVP….if he was making quality signings and winning trophies….then however he puts those comments wouldn’t have been such an issue.
I think these people know exactly what they doing when they cry rape. I mean even Rooney could pull a bomb of a chick . So Robinho should have no problems.
What Wenger seems to be saying in the interview Geoff mentions does seem quite inflammatory to me and provides primae facae evidence of what a lot of us feared all along.
I will reserve judgement on this till it becomes absolutely clear that is completely true as you have to remember the Grauniad used to be called the MANCHESTER Guardian, so of course they’ll have a vested interest in running down the Manks competitors.
Does it annoy other Arsenal fans to see how well Giggs is playing for MANU this years, in centrefield and anywhere he is put ?
Losing Pires, Giberto and others to that ridiculous over 30 contract rule has been shown in my opinion to be laughable
The sign of a great manager is one who can recognise and correct his mistakes, and improve the team on that basis. AW is so blind at times.
Sparrow, it may be on some algerian channel in a dodgy pub but otherwise it’s the trusty old laptop.
morning all..
how long will this arshavin saga go on.. wenger apparently had other targets no? I think its time to go after them…
zenit twats need another fuckin 2.5 mill… thats what they really want!!!
Tonight’s Team will have the same boring / useless faces playing.
Everton will play with full passion & come at us. Unless we show the same ( which we rarely see) then we’ll get beat.
Wenger & his players have got to really dig in now. Villa are becoming a real worry to our club.
And what is wrong with that G4L ?
i got a bad feeling we will lose tonight
I believe AW uncle scrooge policy will cause the gunners to slip into obscurity.
It could happen if his present buy young and loan/farm out policy to give the young stars of world class potenial experience do not work. What then ?
A period of at least two to three years is down the drain and back to the drawing board.The reason the gunners moved to ES was to generate cash for AW to compete in the transfer markets. Now all kiinds of excuse have been bandied about regarding the cash. We have read reports AW has gbp mil 70 and the oeb saying the cash is restricted.
One thing I know is if Arsenal don’t challenge for honours there will be gaping holes in the es.
for us arsenal is a love affair and for the board and sad to know for arsene it has become a business.
I want to know why Nina was removed from the board.I belive she had the club close to her heart that the two faced faggots.
My friends i stay 5000 miles away form the groove, and i wish to come there and start a protes against the fuckers.
I belive my fellow gooners out there will do somthing of a huge scale to get more transperencey from the gobs of thoses donkeys and let this club run like a football club but not like a brothel to make money for the greedy cunts
DDM, it was a good read mate, I enjoyed and agreed with it.
dennis – no worries, i can empathise, i think we are all very angry, bitter, twisted, and desperate for 2/3 good signings – but also beginning to realise it probably wont happen – summer all over again………..
ane AW says that Jan transfers need two-three months to settle into a new club….
Arsene – how the heck would you know that
Theo is in talks re new contract, they are in talks and he is confident theo will stay – Theo wants to stay…. mme, he will be gone soon then
if we had a quarter the luck of villa we’d be top now. 30% possession and 1 shot on target. To be fair they ran their arses off and covered so well at the back and Pompey are performing well below where they should be with those players. If Villa finished where their football deserved to finish it would be about 6th place.
AvP are u Wenger’s spokeman? what makes u think that if we spent money on players we would be in debt. last account shows we have £98million in cash reserves. the only debt we have is cos of the emirates which we are paying for over 25years and the flats which is ‘meant’ to be a seperate business from the footballing side of things. he doesnt have the same job as any job. his job is to deliver success on the pitch without straining the club financially. he is only saying things like his job is to make money cos he has won fuck all since 2005 lucky FA cup final.
I read that article last night and i was fucking disgusted, Wenger basically saying he is very well paid cos he makes the club money.
The aim of a football club is not and never should be to make money, the moment that happens the fans are being exploited.
No we won’t DG.
We are on a run
Football managers have always had to worry about the money a club has, If only on the level of how much they have to spend. What wenger said was nothing new, he gets paid well. yes, he is recognised by nearly every other manager in world football as one of the top managers. Scolari said he is in the top five in the world. he says he gets paid well to mange the team within a budget and not make the clubbust. well no surprise there. What manager would say I am paid to win trophies and the furure ofr the club can go to hell. Well apart from those who managed Leeds of course. So I cannot see what he said that was either contraversial or new. He has laways said he manges withn the budgets set by the club. he has always said he is proud of the fact the club works within its resources.
I am not keen on some of his selections. But I still dont get the vitriol people express against him. We are 5th and two wins away from second. Not 15th, we are in the Champoins league and not the Leyaland Daf. We are in the FA cup still and the season is only just over half way through.
I am aware my Glass is half full but as I have said before, if you have a choice of being positive or negative why choose negativity.
have a great day, we will stuff Everton tonight and the Villa’s luck will run out.
i wont be able to watch the match caz no one is screening in indo/pak region….
vela on left nasri denilson in center and who so ever on the right flank AW wish to play..eboue most probably…BUT NO SONG
Arsenal have to pay a short term loan of £133m back in April next year. It was hoped the flat sales would cover it easily. Since the property market went tits up, that £133m is becoming increasingly hard find. Arsenal are now channelling football money to pay off that loan, despite what they say about keeping football and property seperate. So right now Arsenal have £80m+ in the bank, but its not ours to spend. We may seem rich but we are not. we are still saving every penny we can find. Just my opinion though.
The team that was posted is basically a 4-2-4 with 2 attacking mids as the 2. Even KK at newcastle circa 96 wouldnt go that far.
That is way too unbalanced, esp away to Everton
villa luck aint running out, martin o neil knows they been lucky, but u need luck to survive as well.
look at liverpool they got luck and rafa benitez is probarly the lukest manager ever
we won’t sign anyone.. i can see it now.. squabbling over 2 or 3 mill… we will buy some teenager and he will be the new ARSHAVIN
some places in scotland are like liverpool, athough not filled ful of scouse cunts!!!
Well said Dave T
Almunia
Sagna Gallas Djourou Clichy
Nasri Diaby Den Vela
RVP Ade
Keep Eboue away from this team!
Hi Choy.
The laws on sexual assault in this country are heavily biased towards the victim.
I was on jury service recently and involved in a case where a girlfriend accused her partner of sexual assault, the guy spent 3 months locked up while waiting for his trial.
It turned out her claims were made up.
how you doing BR…
i am very upset at arsene and his friends
@gooner-Pak
If yoe are in orkut chek out the arsenal community gooners post some really hq streams.
Shabz. It wasn’t luck that scored their goal last night. It was MoN seeing a deficiency within the club, and acting upon it. That is great management, not luck.
Gazzap, you are assuming a lot.
Firstly, the first 90 flats sold at 100% value, generating £39m, so thats only £96m needed to be found. Even if they sold the rest at half price they would cover the loan, and theres no danger of them losing 50%.
People walking away from deposits isnt really a problem cos you can remarket the property at 90% original price and still make 100% of original price….or remarket at 80% and only lose 10% etc.
I would like to see Merida play on the left – and way before any idea of Eboue or Song playing there – For me Everton are too good to play either ot those two. But I have a feeling he will play Song alongside Denilson..
gazzap if things were that bad then arsenal would be up for sale already. property market isnt gonna pick up by next year. UEFA cup wont earn us as much as CL. Betrayed fans wont fill stadiums week in week out. corporate seats are up for renewal and lack of success on the pitch isnt appealing. Respected finacial media institutions like forbes and deloitte say we are making shed loads of money compared to highbury. stop making excuses for a man running out of ideas and lacking innovation. Arsene Wenger is loosing it. If he werent we would have at least won the CC once since he started his youth policy in the competition in 2002.
Well said Denis – I only wish AFC would start addressing the bleedin’ obvious problems they’ve brought on themselves.
Till tonight we can only pray that neither Song or Eboue start tonight.
If they do – well I’ll brace myself for the worst.
I bet Song will play tonight, could be a game won or lost in midfield and its sad to say but their midfield is stronger than ours.
the sad fact is villa are currently better than us…
Personally i would play gibbs on the left hand side of midfield and fuck Eboue of as far as a plane could carry the useless Knut but it isnt going to happen for the love of god gibbs would give us so much more of an attacking threat and ability to cross a ball as well as some passion!!!!!!!
Look on the Bright side Choy.
We are on an unbeaten run, if we win tonight, we are on the heels of the free spending Chavs , and all will be well in Le Grove.
a reporter needs to question Arsene to ask whether making money for the club is more important than winning…..
choy – lets see how good they are minus their most creative players mate
Big raddy
am not talking about last night, just in general this season
martin o neil is a fantastic manager, heskey is a good buy from them, he will flick balls on to gabby agbonlaor
Raddy were you watching on Sunday??? Of course I want us to win but with the teams he puts out we’ll be lucky to finish 5th, Pompey would have beaten us last night with their pace.
Wenger has started all that “January buys take time to settle” bollocks too now.
How long did it take Heskey to settle at Villa or Defoe at Tottenham?
£3.5m and Heskey has earned 2 points for Villa already.
Didn’t Adebayor score on his debut at Birmingham??
He thinks we’re all fucking stupid.
Sunny of Valencia is in talks with an unamed english club
he is a good prospect for the future, a defensive midfielder and he is 20
this looks like wengers kinda signing….
but its says portsmouth linked too
Even in the late 90′s and early part of this century Wenger always refused irresistable oppurtunities to strengthen his team that is why he never won b2b titles. For what he inherited in that team the back 4 and bergkamp the foundation was already there to build a succesful team. Now that he has to do it from scratch he cant.
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Wenger claims to be a man of ntegrity why would he keep working for an employer that keeps lying and putting the blame on him
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how many times have the board come out to say things like this
Hill wood in November
“Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood says Arsene Wenger has money to improve his squad in January, if the manager wants to bring in new players.
Wenger has often adopted a frugal approach to his transfer activiity, compared to the club’s chief rivals, with Samir Nasri the sole big-money arrival over the summer.
The Gunners boss has preferred to put his faith in youth, despite claims he needs to invest in experience to boost the team’s trophy hopes.
Hill-Wood insists Wenger has never been denied the funds to sign players and has backed the Frenchman’s judgement in the transfer market.
Very sensible
“Absolutely. There have been suggestions that we keep stopping him from buying – that is not the case,” Hill-Wood told ArsenalTV.
“He’s very sensible with the way he approaches the transfer market, he’s not going to buy anybody just because the press or fans say he should.
“He’s only going to buy somebody if he thinks they’re going to improve what is a young squad but a very talented one.
“He certainly has got money if he wants to spend it.”
If Wenger wanted to make money for the club he should have applied for Gazidas’s job, then we could have brought in someone who wants to win something to manage the team.
honest guys, am desperate for some new signings, any signings will do to improve this team.
hell i even would take michael owen and ledley king
the dim light at the end of the tunnel is slowly disappearing BR….
Osman, Fellani, Cahill, Arteta
or
A.Young, Barry, Sidwell, Milner
vs..
Eboue, Song, Denilson, Nasri
even nasri scored on his debut…
look at zaki, torres, santa cruz last year.. he’s just being skint…. thats all
gambon, Yes I agree with what you say and I dont know the finances down to the penny but I just get the feeling Arsenal are cutting their cloth accordingly right now. That means they want to be sure they can still pay all their loans off comfortably even if the corportate seats/boxes dont sell well, and Arsenal are not in the CL next year. they absolutely refuse to do a Leeds united and invest heavily and then be 100% needing the CL money to survive. we are going the other way and cutting spending and costs so that we can survive on a lower income in future seasons.
wenger is confident his younglings can fire Arsenal to the top in 1 or 2 years time without the need for significant investment. He still has £20m to spend this year but in the grand scheme of things and compared with other clubs, that isn’t a lot of money.
Arse&NoseEboue, Song, Denilson, Nasri
If Wenger wants to make money for the club he should sell afc trinkets door to door, if he knocks on mine he’ll cop an unfortunate one.
The truth straight from Zenits official website (translated fro those that cannot speak Russian !!!)…….. still washy and confusing, but the fella is a Club Director and has given us more than the ARsenal PR Machine !!!
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fc-zenit.ru%2Finfo%2Fmain.phtml&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Shabz. I would not argue about how lucky they are, but I agree with Choy – they are better than us so far this season. I firmly believe this is a flash in the pan, a quirk of history, but it is true nonetheless.
Compare our teams. IMO These players are better than ours…..
Friedel.
LAursen
Barry
Sidwell
Petrov
Agbon….
A. Young
Add to that their fighting spirit, and their team play.
I hate to write it, but all of those players would get into our first team. (maybe not Agbo..)
Be honest, and think of the tam that will play tonight. Apart from Nasri, I would swap our entire midfield.
Shit …. I have just read my post. I hate Vill, always have. Ignore me – it is the ramblings of an addled mind !
2nd from bottom link by the way !!!
No argument there Geoff. I was just trying to present a balancing viewpoint.
Is that the real Bud, or an impostor ?
The problem Gazzap is that its a self perpetuating cycle,
Reduce costs incase we dont make CL = the reason we dont make CL.
I have gone from questioning wenger to thinking hes an out an out cunt in the last few hours.
Arse and Nose, Id rather have Denislon and nasri over Osman and Fellani, but Id prefer cahill and Arteta over Song and Eboue. Id take nasri and denilson over Sidwell and milnerbut Id rather have Young and Barry over Eboue and Song. But my opinion is Id still pick our four over either of the other fours as a package. We will still finish avbove both sets at the end of the season.
AJ AJ on the blog
tell us where arshavin will end up??
The real deal Big Raddy !
Have you read that link yet (2nd from bottom on the page link I put above)?
what has william gallas ever done to be the highest paid at the club??
Won Titles and World Cups !
Gazidis and AW are pulling in the same direction – enriching the arsenal brand, then maybe win trophies. I think the saying is two hands are better than one lol!
As for bringing a manager that wants more trophies? why change a winning formula when the incumbent is working? except u suddenly become DD or Nina
AW might be a man of integrity, he’s integrity I’m sure would apply to the adherence of his contracts (no matter what the contents of the contracts are I would think)
Choy,
Wenger wants his babies, no doubt theyll be sulking smokers who hoard money like a squirrel does acorns.
bud which world cup
Nice to see that avatar again Bud.
Yes, I read it. Not much to say really. AA and his agent are complete knobs, I would tell them to F.O. but do we cut our nose to spite our face (whatever that means).
Just pay the money, and close the deal.
Bonjour Grovers,
Deviating from the Ars-shavin(g) saga/drama/opera, Ade’s crown as” Most Offside Player” has been nicked by Cissé.
Category Player/Team Total
Top Shooter Frank Lampard (Chelsea) 67
Top Passer Xabi Alonso (Liverpool) 1587
Top Tackler Lee Cattermole (Wigan) 106
Most Dribbles & Runs Shaun Wright-Phillips (Chelsea/Man City) 115
Most Crosses David Bentley (Tottenham) 232
Most Offsides Djibril Cisse (Sunderland) 43
Most Fouls Marouane Fellaini (Everton) 73
Team with most fouls Hull 320
Team with most shots Chelsea 331
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11662_2705370,00.html
Very sad….
we haven’t even won the carling cup since gallas has arrived
The idea that Wenger is happy not winning trophies is nothing short of ridiculous. Do you really think he happy to go through his whole career without winning the Champions League?
Wenger has never claimed to have been solely responsible for the move to the new stadium; although, he deserves a share of the success; Wenger has never claimed the credit for selling Anelka; the fact is, he was unhappy at having to sell him: his hand was forced; Wenger is 100% responsible for bringing Fabregas to the club and deserves all the credit associated with it. There is obviously very little news around so we are having a “Lets bash Wenger day”.
I seriously hate those f….king anti-Arsenal c….s who write absolute bollox for news papers like the Guardian.
our midfield is whats letting us down, the defence is quick, but the midfield is what is fucking up this year.
last year we had the same defence but we had flamini, gilberto and hleb now this year we got denilson, eboue and song
thats the difference
Dennisdamenace, very well put and well thought out. I often visit this site as it usually puts up a different viewpoint from simply accepting everything that is ok when patently it is not. I listen keenly to views regarding AW and find myself questioning him based on the topics raised but then feel disloyal as the guy has brought us the best years of our history, 2 doubles, unbeaten 04, a cup final in all but 2 of the last 10 seasons (and we won the league in one of them) So I am torn, is Wenger financially running this club with both hands tied behind his back, or is he the stubborn meiser he gets made out to be. If it is the former, he is not only the best manager this club has seen, but quite possibly the greatest manager in football, if it is the latter, then it is time to go. So all I want is some honesty. If we have no money, then fine I’ll accept what the club is trying to do and get on with it, if (as DFiz will have you believe) that we have stacks of cash and all Wenger has to do is ask and the player is ours, then AW performance is unaccpetable. Having listened to all of the AW out rants I pray just one thing, that the author of this article is not given the job.. Away to Everton with no cover for our fragile back 5 is suicide. I am not a GKB ha ha !
Welcome to Le Grove Rosey.
I still think Raddy that we’ll end up with Arshavin as nobody else seems interested and no way can Zenit keep him now.
Choy:he has disrapted the team,caused disunity,fucked up at villa,almost caused toure to leave,caught smoking.
i think we should go for arshavin and sunny of valencia
best we can do this january window
Welcome Rosey. Nice debut post.
Do I not get a welcome back Pedro??????
thanks god i do use orkut….is it on all the communities or any one specific…icant go to orkut at moment from office..i have added arsenal community (dont remember the exact name)
Nice post Rosey
and forget caz ur nick is thanks god…..thanks for info
Chaps, in fairness to AJ I think much of what he has said has been correct. There have obviously been unforseen hitches, but I heard from reliable scources that he is a gnat’s cock from signing for 3 weeks. I do think it’ll happen even now.
So anyway, does anyone have any gossip for me, what has been happening at Grove Towers……. been much fighting, any juicy rumours, tip offs in the offing bla bla bla…… ???
guys
if we go for arshavin and sunny of valencia, that would at least improve our squad big time, there is experience and also great future potential
sunny is similar to john obi mikel
which well would be better then song
I think Everton have more experience and quality in midfield and so do Villa.
Barry and Young are potential match winners.
Arteta and Cahill are consistently dangerous.
Can we really say the same for Nasri,eboue, song, denilson?It is no coincidence that our midfield is the youngest, and least experienced.
Steve
Of course it will still happen.
Arsnalised. WG is our best CB IMO
Steve. I have reached the point where I don’t care. Doing a transfer through the media is bullshit and not the Arsenal way. Let’s pray he is the real deal and not another Darren Bent (
)
Steve, one of the zenit guys last night said that because of paperwork it would have to be done by end of today otherwise it wont be rubber stamped in time for the close of the window.
In other words pull your finger out AFC.
Also AW said a DM was also needed, obviously that wont happen now.
Its all adown to AA and his agent. Apparantly according to Zenit, Arsenal are in talks today to try and resolve the agent/AA issue whereby someone has to pay this £2.2m. Basically if AA agrees to pay his own agents fees then we are in. If he wants to keep his loyalty bonus then he wont sign. How much does AA want to play for Arsenal – that is what it has come down to.
For me, if he is leaving Zenit then he shouldn’t be getting his entire loyalty bonus, and its his problem, not Zenit’s and not Arsenal’s. Is he a greedy player like all the others? it seems so, but we have a couple of days to find out.
This joke cheered me up for 30 seconds.
Why females should avoid a girls night out after they are married…
The other night I was invited out for a night with the “girls.” I told my husband that I would be home by midnight, “I promise!” Well, the hours passed and the margaritas went down way too easily.
Around 3 a.m., a bit loaded, I headed for home.
Just as I got in the door, the cuckoo clock in the hallway started up and cuckooed 3 times.
Quickly, realizing my husband would probably wake up, I cuckooed another
9 times.
I was really proud of myself for coming up with such a quick-witted solution, in order to escape a possible conflict with him. Even when totally smashed … 3 cuckoos plus 9 cuckoos totals = 12 Cuckoos – MIDNIGHT!
The next morning my husband asked me what time I got in … I told him “MIDNIGHT”… He didn’t seem p_off in the least.
Whew … I got away with that one! Then he said “We need a new cuckoo clock.”
When I asked him why, he said, “Well, last night our clock cuckooed three times, then said “oh sh _t.” Cuckooed 4 more times, cleared its throat, cuckooed another three times, giggled, cuckooed twice more, and then tripped over the coffee table and farted.
Steve,
i heard if the transfer is finalised it needs to be done by today 2pm for work permit reasons.
Where have you been Bud ?
Everton are nothing, they will be shit next month, they have just had a favourable run of fixtures. Re Villa, we have match winners, just they are all in the treatment room.
I wager my house, that if we had Villa’s injury record we would be top 2……… and that is not taking into account they are the luckiest c**** on the planet and their manger is THE most annoying turd ever to grace this poxy world !!!!!
Big Raddy:gallas is a good footballer but he is a bad person and that unfortunately affects the team.
ive had enough of phw and danny fizman,they are trying to make more money for the club so the value’s much higher when there ready to sell.
they are waiting to pick the right time!
they are dragging the love of the club away from the fans,also when you hear fizman speak do you hear in his voice the same passion dein had when he spoke about arsenal?
i bet if you asked a 100 fans if they are happy with the current squad,99 would all come back with a straight NO.
how long are we gonna let them get away with this?
also im really p’d off that if we beat cardiff,the next tie has been moved to a monday night because of poxy sentanta.
im worried for the future of this club,what have they done to our beloved arsenal?
I must confess Raddy, i’m getting bored with it.
Won’t it be nice to be going to a game excited for once though to see our new big signing?
Mind you, we all got excited to see Reyes for a bit.
Gazzap, the thing is surely his signing on fee with us will cover any pay back he has to make to zenit.
If we dont get him it would be a huge blow.
i recieved this mail from arsenal.com titled “The Official Arsenal Newsletter – 27 January 2009 ” and guess what is in it ha ha ha blinds and if u do recieve check tht pic of song against fulham
‘Song has started to play great football’
Sanjeet Tott was impressed by Alex Song’s performance during our FA Cup tie at Cardiff. “Before the African Nations Cup I wondered why we had Song but he has gained experience and started to play great football,” said Sanjeet. “He has impressed me and I’m sure he is a good replacement for Flamini. He can be the defensive partner for Fabregas in central midfield.” Sanjeet e-mailed in during Sunday’s Arsenal TV Online MatchDay Show. Join the debate during the Everton game on Wednesday night.
What about Nasri’s debut Steve ?
I’ve had to do actual true life work for once in my life……… the recruitment game is getting pretty battered, so I have had to avoid all temptation and concentrate !!!!!
Bud, is it even possible to have a 23 game favourable run of fixtures, we all have to play the same teams twice.
Gooner – Pak. There is no-one as blind, as he who will not see…………..
GunnerShabz:so arsenal will announce the news today.
He scored within 5 minutes Raddy so yes, was nice. Kind of kicks Wenger’s “takes time to settle” comments into touch doesn’t it?
Arsenalised
today is the deadline basically, if we dont sign him today, we wont get a work permit in time for the deadline
unless its all secret
Sorry to hear that Bud. Does your re-appearance indicate an improvement in business ? I hope so….
Gambon, not saying Everton are shit, they are a top 8 team, but bar the Derby’s they have had a comfy recent run of fixtures…… but we should not be held comparable with them. If we win tonight, we are 8 points clear and we are shit !!!
No Raddy, I have given up !!!!!!!
Well not given up, but fancied a break !
If my aunt had bollocks she’d be my uncle Bud. I don’t think we’ll win tonight.
You going Saturday btw??? Maybe a little Peroni fest is in order.
You workers deserve a little break every now and then…
Hmmm just looked at your suggested team……
For this once i’m with Arsene!!!! LOL
You can’t go to Goodison and play 4 strikers… against an 11 man defense, that’s crying out for a one nil home win.
I’m hoping for a patient 1-nil to the Arsenal, nothing too bold in the first half, stand up and be counted against the physical side, and we will get a few chances.
Just hope Ade rememebers how to shoot soon… RVP can’t do everything, oh wait… yest he can! Ok, RVP shouldn’t HAVE to do anything!!!!
Good post man,
Richaldo
Strange today thatAsrenal.com is wheeling out that we are…
“going to sign up Walcott”
“VP is fit and we did not have him for 2nd half of teh season last year”,
“Rosicky back in 8 weeks”
“Eduardo back in 2 games”
All because he is not signing anyone………. I hate this fucking club so much !!!!!!
Peronifest BOOKED !
Did anyone notice that the myP2P website didn’t have any links for English games on last night?
Doesn’t look like they’ve any for tonight either. That’s going to drastically reduce the options for a good stream.
I have toi be drunk to watch the shit that runs out of the tunnel these days !!!!
I dont get that work permit thing. every year players sign at midnight on deadline day. why cant we just get a permit on the 4th Feb? Not sure I understand this properly, but if someone could explain I would be grateful
gambon, what signing on fee? AA will just get his wages when he joins, no fee. Arsenal have experessly told him they wont offer more than 80k a week before tax. he wants more like 100k. No signing on fee is discussed anywhere.
I’ll be there Bud. I’m with you, can’t stand watching them sober at the moment.
How strange is this…. I was looking out of my office window contemplating whether to go drinking today and a Peroni van was stuck at the lights directly opposite. It has to be a sign.
I can’t stand watching them drunk either……. but usually if I am half cut I will at least get into an arguement with a steward and that generally distracts my attention away from the game for large periods !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1129983/Deferent-Arshavin-looks-past-plots-life-away-St-Petersburg.html
Gazzap, 90% of transfers have a signing on fee, it is amortised into the wage bill over the length of the contract so the figures are never shown seperately.
GunnerShabz:so what your saying is if i go to sleep today and no one has been signed thats it,till the summer.
chozzer i noticed they might have been clamped down by prem officials. if thats the case then we r fucked. hopefully its not. but if u use sopcast with ur streams the channels are cached in ur directory so u cold click on it thru sopcast and u might be lucky to get a stream. i watched the villa game that way thru the chinese ESPN
freeviefootball.com is no longer on air too.
livefutboll.net is quite good Franchise.
Almoon
Bac gallas djourou clichy
Eboue denilson diaby nasri
Ade-cantfinishfrom2yards-bayor RvP
Depressingly obvious lineup. Sigh.
Franchise, thanks for that info. I do use sopcast.
Chipo, that is EXACTLY what wenger will do and we all fans dont want him to do. as you say how depressing.
add to favourites
thanks steve
where is irish????
Fellaini is gonna crush both denilson and song with one leg.
If anyone finds a decent one tonight could you post it on her please.
the spuds finally won a game,against stoke!!!!!!ha ha ha fuckerz
Dunno mate, I miss Irish. She lovely.
fellaini is a beast. i wish diaby was half as tenacious as him
agh are ye guys missing me
Fellaini is screech from saved by the bell.
Anyway, pub is open. Laters Groovy Grovers.
yeah she is steve. she reduces the testosterone levels on here. Rico’s lovely too. Where are the ladies???????
Gazzap – I don’t understand that work permit thing with Arshavin either. Going back to your earlier comment about the finances:
Obviously I’m no financial guru so I’m probably talking out my arse here, but why don’t they just let Arsenal Holdings go bust. At the end of the day if it’s totally independant of the football club as they say then the bank loans would be irrelevant to the football club.
Then they could use the the 100+ million in cash reserves for players & paying the bonds.
Probably all too simplistic really & there are probably numerous things stopping them doing that, but anyway thats my suggestion & thats why I’m not running the club (lol)
we should of signed fellaini, he is a bargain at £15m, i bet he could of saved us 7 points at least
UUUrrggghhh!
Bad timing Irish. Gotta go, have fun.
yipee she turns up
even arsenal ladies cant hold on to there best players lol,karen karneys gone to the usa!!
Only on for a few mins Steve – have to go for brunch
Irish whats uuuuuuuuup????
am out,all the best goonerz.
I reckon Wenger will go 4-5-1 tonight. I think he’ll care more about not losing than actually winning the game.
its sad to see bolton think they have a chance to sign miquel velaso and we not even trying to sign him for £12m
we need some good news today!!!!!!!!!!
Irish – how u doin??
Do you have any good news to brighten the doom and gloom that is enveloping LeGrove?
No.1 Goon – they have been worried about the league in America for a while. It is a new women’s league that is starting and its fully professional. The Arsenal ladies have to hold down jobs most work in the Arsenal academy. Arsenal thought a lot would be off including Byrne, Smith etc. Marta is gone – its not really funny because it is undoing all the great work that has been done at the club.
c ya arsenalised
also where has bergkamp (legrove) gone too
this should cheer u up
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1130069/PICTURE-SPECIAL-England-boss-Capello-chooses-exotic-dancer-ahead-Emile-Heskey.html
Sadly guys no
I went to bed at half nine I was so upset. Last night Villa and Tottenham were meant to lose and United draw. Then tonight Chelsea and Liverpool lose and we win and thus make up loads of ground 
On a good note my nephew was born on friday and he’s already a certified gunner
O’Neil & his team remind me of George Graham’s Arsenal late 80′s/early 90′s. There is a main core of British players, with good spirit all playing for each other.
Does anyone else not think that he may play Kolo with Billy G tonight? It would fit in with his comments a few days ago about players not needing to get along to play along side each other!?
Also, if he drops Kolo, having him as captain only for games he plays in is a very disruptive strategy and yet even more indication the Le Boss is losing the plot!
I think Veloso must be overrated – I’ve not seen much of him but from the odd game I have seen he’s nothing special hence why he’s off to bolton lol
honestly guys how many teams in the top half of the table will want eboue and song???
west ham?
i would persist with manager until the end of the next transfer window when i would assess his ambitions. He would have to bear with me calling him a cunt for the next 8 months. If he dont change i would start a protest against him until he is sacked or retires
ive never understood the fact that the best ladies team in the country, dosent have the girls ‘s on full term contracts.
i mean how much would it cost to keep them together?
i know in u.s they get good crowds and paid good wages,but why dont arsenal just pay them!
it makes sense to keep them together,carney was a great little player!
I think he is avoiding playing Kolo and Gallas together not because of them not liking each other but because they just don’t work out in defence, we need Djourou for height and I’d expect Djourou to start because Everton are scoring a lot of headers lately
resigns
The league is semi professional. Yvonne Tracy is from limerick and a neighbour of my met her one day and she told him she’d never leave Arsenal cos she loves it too much but she did get an offer from America. I don’t think it would be sustainable to pay them major wages – don’t think they could compete with America anyway.
Tonight is a must-win game, no doubt. Everton have shown that they can grind out results and whilst we are on a decent run, it is by no means a convincing – yet.
Winning tonight will not only keep the run going, but will also instill some miuch-needed confidence in the team.
I’ve said it before, but I have to say it again : PLEASE MAY THERE BE NO SONG OR EBOUE IN THE STARTING LINE UP TONIGHT. IT IS PLAYERS OF THEIR CALIBRE WHICH ARE DRAGGIN THIS CLUB DOWN!!!!!
MIDFIELD OF: NASRI-DIABY-DENILSON-VELA
STRIKERS: RVP AND ADE
WILL GET US A CONVINCING WIN TONIGHT…..AND WILL HOPEFULLY ALLOW WENGER ‘TIME TO FOCUS’ ON TRANSFERS………….FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAS GAZIDES BEEN OFF SICK OR SOMETHING??? WHERE IS HE????
Do ya know what annoys me about Wenger?
If and thats a big IF we had no injuries we would have one brilliant team but still be missing a big tall central defender who takes no nonsense and a tough tackling midfield general. If he just flipping went out and bought the two of them we’d be cracking. Its like he almost has that great team but won’t go a little bit further to complete it.
Maybe the Russians kidnapped Gazidis – the bastards!!
Has anyone seen the article on Arse.com where Wenger says “We will not break our wage structure”? Preparing us for the “We tried to sign him but we couldn’t break our wage structure” excuses.
Oh dear, Jimbo looks like being the true voice on this one.
no 1 goon the ladies game in the UK is as good as being an amateur league. Female soccer is bigger in the states meaning that the teams can generate commercial, media and gates revenue and pay their staff as pros
Hey, I retract my earlier comment about Arsene and the salary thing…
On reflection, I imagine that he is saying if Arsenal weren’t making any money… he wouldn’t be able to command such a salary…
I’m still confident on Arshavin.
leave denilson out to as he is also dragging this club down fuck the stats he is wackkkkkkk
fucking arsenal…. the club should change the fucking name till they earn it back.
Hiya Irish. A reasoned voice on here at last
Wotcha Bud – I’ve got a bit o’ grove Gossip…………..rico has admitted at being furry!!!
Hmmmm, or was it a friend of the furry
i thi9nk we should through jack wilshire in, he has the class to play in the premier league at his age
he is like wayne rooney a special “english” talent
Chary – any idea who is on the best wages and how much they get? I think its Gallas isn’t it?
yeah fair enough,its just really sad to see such a talented team just be broken up like that.
its a shame that womens football does not get the credit and crowds it deserves in this country.
but i cant complain about them moving on and securing a better future for themselfs.
oh well we need to win today… nothing new there.. but its going to be tough…
CMON ARSENAL!
Rosey – Many Thanks for those kind words, and welcome to the madhouse
gallas and ade are on about 80k a week… i read cesc’s rises every year as well.
From what I recall I thought it was Gallas on £80k/week as he came to us as part of the C***ley deal he got a bigger salary much in the way Sol got.
Yeah so the best Arshavin could hope for is £80,000. That would be plenty the greedy little fecker
United have got Brown and Ferdinand back. WTF
I want to win the league so badly. If it were just Pool we were chasing I would have been a lil bit optimistic.
I agree with Wenger on the wages… £80k is plenty… and if he wants more and gets it… everyone else will ask for more.
You can’t break the pay structure for a player who isn’t proven…
Hate Football…….. going out for a bit to get away from this poxy hernia called F5 (refresh) on Newsnow……..
Do i, as a fan, now have to reasses my priorities? By that, i mean should i now get excited over the fact that we make in excess of £3m every home game rather than going to Wembley and winning The FA Cup????
Is it possible to fall out of love with your club?
YES !
Would any of you guys take Flamini back ? week after week he just sits on that milan bench, He should never been allowed to leave in the 1st place over £5000 week, it will cost us more to repalce a midfeilder and pay his wages
Exactly Pedro and did he not say he’d take a pay cut to join us?
Wenger – “The players who come in here are all on our wage structure or they do not come in,” he said. “It’s as simple as that. Nobody will come in above the highest level we have here.”
Suggests to me they will pay him up with the top earners but nothing more.
I reckon its Arsenal or bust for Arshavin.
Madrid are meant to be in for Valencia of Wigan which makes sense.
why does it take 28 fucking days to figure out that arshavin has to give zenit 2.5 mill back???
Bud, talking of Newsnow have you got a decent link for it ? I’ve got one via the Arsenal-world website and that sometimes gets stuck. Cheers mate.
Looking forward to plenty of “F5’ing”.
I wouldnt give a damn about pay structure at the moment. get rid of the excess would bes and the never gonna happen(s) and pay decent players good wages
DDM… too fucking right it is mate… i love the arsenal but at the same time i fucking hate them right now! i hate them for what we’ve become… a joke version of a ‘big’ club.
nobody fears us, nobody respects us, im not all doom and gloom but over the last few years we’ve become the also-rans of the top4… we’re looking at being even worse than that now with villa and everton pushing us
Franchise – £80,000 is a good wage. Say we did get rid of Song, Eboue etc and put Fabregas on £100,000. Then RvP, Nasri, Gallas all the way through would want more money. It’d never stop.
(Yet) Another thing that annoys me about the deadlines AFC impose is that since we have signed the Russky presumably they’ve put their alternate plans into place to get the midfielder we need ?
Do we feel confident AFC have a plan B to fill the deficiency Wenger himself highlighted a monthg or two ago?
What annoys is that they probably haven’t got a contingency plan for when/if the Arshavin deal goes belly up.
Dave… it take flam back in a heartbeat mate… id carry him back!
Only 5 more days and 5 more hours of this thank god
plan b is rosicky coming back god knows when.
Hi Irish.
No Dennis. Arsenal is for Life … Sorry.
Big Dave (a fine moniker). I would take him tomorrow, but Gattuso and Seedorf are finished at the end of the year and the Flamster will get a starting position. No way he will come back.
chary… conveniently not having a plan saves them 15m to mate!
also they can say ‘look we tried to get him, we offered 15m!!’.
then we’re supposed to sit back quietly like good boys and girls and say ‘never mind, maybe next year’
Chary – I’m starting to believe that the board and Wenger are felling if we get Arshavin that’s fine but if not then we plough on with the players we have. I don’t see us going for anyone else unless they are been very, very, very, very quite about something.
Hi BR – you keeping well mate?
Chary… click the link to news now in the sidebar —–>
Arshavin is the smokescreen for a 15 yr old russian
I said yesterday I would of given Flamini his 70 or 80 grand a week, you all said ah not breakign the wage structure for him! yet they did for waste of space Gallas, what’s the bets gallas returns to team tonight and we lose after been on 8 unbeaten match run. Tim Cahill 1 nil
i would have rather we signed ribery, alonso and hangeland over the last 3 years. 1 a season
my dream squad of 24
Goalkeepers: Given, Fabianski, Almunia
LB: Clichy, Traore
RB: Sagna, Eboue
CB1:Gallas, Toure
CB2: Hangeland, Senderos
CM1 (DM): Alonso, Diaby
CM2: Cesc, Denilson
RM: Nasri, Walcott
LM: Rosicky, Arshavin
Forwards: VP, Ade, Bendtner, Eduardo, Vela
youngsters on the fringe of the first team
LJW, Rambo
I must head away guys. Might catch ye later on if not c’mon the Gunners 2-0. One a pop from Nasri and RvP
Irish…ONLY??????
Chary, i really hope your wrong in that Arsenal WILL and DO have a contingency plan and that they have tapped into the fans’ frustration at what is quite an obvious set of deficiencies.
The fact that AW remains so coy and tight-lipped over tranfers is not good, imo. Describing Arshavings tranfer as ” a distraction” is not, surely a good sign. Even though he is remaining coy and tight-lipped (which in all honesty is in-keeping with the “Arsenal way”) he could still allow for some optimism and hope for the fans….
FUCKER!!!!
Big Dave,
How do you even know that Flamini would have stayed if he’d gotten an extra 5K a week? He’s half Italian, grew up watching Serie A. Anyone who was being honest with themselves knew he would leave when he continued to procrastinate signing another contract. A year and a half ago most Arsenal fans didn’t give him a second thought and would have gladly ofloaded him. Why should players show loyalty, if fans don’t show loyality?
the pay structure is flawed already cos we paying too many deadwoods and crocks
Earth to Franchise
Earth to Franchise
AT. We take the Arse through thick and thin, for better or worse, sickness and health etc etc
We are not glory hunters. We are Gooners, and that requires a bit more spirit than giving up the team because of a few average (def. not bad) years. Or because we don’t sign a Russian. Or because we don’t like what is happening at Board level.
“I’m Arsenal til I die….”
AJ lets hope you wrong about that.
Flamini got %million for putting pen to paper as his sign on fee for being a free agent. we couldnt afford to give him that
AJ….let’s hope you are completely wrong….there is a lot to be said for consistancy
what do u mean choy???? earth to franchise
BR….you Legend! Totally right mate…..but i still wanna see some good signings!
there is no way we have anyone else lined up…
we said that the ultimate deadline was the 16th or we’ll go for another target… the only other person with been linked with was n’zogbia from newcastle who we get linked with every 2 months (just because he’s young & french).
arshavin is our only target, wenger must have lost his list
franchise.. your dream squad didn’t have song
5 million sorry
Arshavings
Richards
Hangelaand
Upson
Diambe
NZogbia (please God, no!)
Alonso
Veloso
Chiellini
De Rossi
All been linked to us recently…….
….the big question is….HOW MANY WILL WE ACTUALLY SIGN????????
everyone on that list is ours already except
given
arshavin
alonso
hangeland
IMO unless Fabianski is ready to step in
GK, CB and DM are our priorities
Pato, Alonso, Inler, Barry, Cana…….it’s just an endless list so that Wenger and the Board can turn round and say….”look, this is who we TRIED to sign…but we couldnt reach an agreement”
10 out of 10 for effort??????
Flam and Hleb are not happy – now there’s a surprise, but neither can or will come back.
raddy… i agree and im not saying id ever change teams or ever loose enthusiasm…. i meant my feelings of frustration have taken over from the old feelings of pride and love you know?
its more down to not knowing whats happening behind the team than the way the teams performing… if this is the best squad arsene can put together with the resources he’s given then no problem, but lets not delude ourselves into the bracket of ‘title/CL contenders’, if however this is his chosen squad and he’s happy with it then thats a different story because he’s obviously loosing his edge it he believes it.
i hate talking about the money/lack of but thats what it seems to boil down to, that or incompetence from the board
this has got to the point where i would want chelsea to beat villa
and i never thought id need that scummy chavs i hate them!
We are signing nobody! We need to stop being in denial now gents. This bullshit trf window must fuck off now & we must just get back to supporting our club & accept things for how they are. Maybe in the summer we can get some new recruits but for now concentrate on finishing in the top 4, winning the FA cup & getting as far as possible in the CL.
Wotcha ATom – How goes it?
‘The club should change the name until they earn it’…………..excellent line fella………
A player who decides t leave us usually have a downward spiral afterwards. Henry, Pires being the exceptions really to the rule because they probably didnt want to leave. Noone else has achieved personal success.
DDM, not bad mate… a little irritated shall we say!!! and u?
nice big post earlier?? is it really you?? only usually see that many lines next to each other when your here alone!!!
Anyone up for a protest outside the Emirates come the 3rd February!? I’m pretty sure we’ll have ammunition in the fact that we didnt sign anybody to throw at them!!
wenger has lost his mind.
can anyone remember the last time we played our great football
and actually got chances and put teams on the backfoot?
Tell me again why the trf window is closing on the 3rd Feb & not 31 JAn?
Arsenal have a habit of making average players look better than they actually are. Flamini could do a job for us but he was always gonna look like a muppet in Milan’s midfield beside the likes of kaka. Hleb without his goals and assists can only be a role player in Barca.
Kirby I miss ourstyle of football. I really do. We were such a joy to watch win or lose.
A statement on the FA website said: “After full consultation with our partners in the Premier League and Football League it has been agreed to push the transfer deadline through to 5pm on 2nd February.
“This is because 31st January falls on a Saturday and, in order to fall in line with procedures adopted by Foreign Associations, the closure has been moved from a weekend date to the first available week day.
“This is consistent with the decision taken in August when the deadline was extended to 1st September and has the support of the majority of national associations and European Leagues.”
cos of the weekend break lewdy it closes on monday the 2nd at 5.00pm
The thing I hate the most about our football is that no matter how well we play we still dont thump teams anymore and im sure our conversion rate is awful too. Last night I think Villa either had 1 shot or just 1 on target and still fucking scored. It would take us at least 10 shots to score in a game. If we cant create chances we should at least have te strikers finishing the few chances they do get.
AJ
What’s the latest from your GrandPa?
Thanks Franchise & Tonyadamsisgod.
Yeah AJ . What have your people been saying?
GOOD ARTICLE FROM ARSENAL TRUTH
In-sène Wenger
Wednesday, 28 January 09, 11:20 AM
“There are five or even six teams who could still win the title. Do not rule out Aston Villa and even Everton. It is much tighter than people think.” ~ Arsene Wenger
Everton lie 14 points behind Manchester United and have won 3 home games from 11 – they last won the title 22 years ago.
Is there a single football pundit or supporter in the entire world – including Evertonians – who think the club has a cat in hell’s chance of winning the title?
Where do these insane comments come from?
Is our manager completely deluded or is he just having a laugh?
Is anything Wenger says worth paying attention to anymore?
If it’s about psychological warfare – on Wenger’s part, it’s quite obviously feeble and he’d surely be better off saying nothing.
This is the most ridiculous comment I’ve heard from the manager since erm… last Saturday:
“It is always tricky to come back to your home town club for the first time because you can sometimes overplay. “I think he [Ramsey] showed that he can be a great player.”
I’ve been biting my lip on that one.
In my opinion, Ramsey looked completely out of his depth. Well, someone had to say it.
Since Ramsey joined the club I’ve seen nothing other than a technically-proficient 18 year old. He could quite easily be just a piece of hype.
Bentley was hype, Pennant was hype, Upson was hype, Senderos was hype. Why not Ramsey?
Ramsey MIGHT be a great player when he’s 25, but he didn’t show a thing on Saturday, nothing. I’ve seen a lot of 18 year old’s perform a lot better than that.
Am I the only blog writer with the guts to challenge Wenger’s ridiculous statements? Seems so – I really think it’s about time someone did.
So what do you think? I’d be really interested to know what other Arsenal supporters think about the sort of garbage Wenger has been putting out over the past 10 months.
Is it all tied to the club’s underperformance?
Is it the case of a manager spouting off any old rubbish to deflect the fact that Arsenal have become an average team in an average league?
Do players actually believe all this? Has talking up Eboue improved Eboue, has talking up Song improved Song, has talking up Bendtner improved Bendtner? Do they open the papers on the team bus and have a good laugh behind Wenger’s back or at least secretely think, “duh?!” You have to wonder.
As an Arsenal supporter, do you ever feel patronised by your manager?
As Jules will testify after a conversation yesterday, unless we buy in this transfer window i’m not going to a game again this season! Now before you say i’m a glory hunter, I stood in the north bank week after week watching far worse Arsenal team than this one!
Our competition strengthen, we pay higher prices in a fantastic new stadium, the club therefore make a huge profit year on year however we’re expected to toe the line, shut up whilst accepting mediocrity & lies!!
lewyd its true its nothing like it was, its become to obvious no one shoots and
its worrying.
need to beat everton or were in trouble!!
ATom – Yep, all my own work fella, i thought i’d get in there nice and early before someone wanted me to do some fecking work!
i agree franchise hes the new bobby senial robson…
There’s a good article on the online gooner as well – saying that the current squad bears a worrying resemblance to the latter days of George’s side. Crux of the piece is that there is too much mediocrity in the squad with players in side who’d struggle to get into a lot of premiership sides XI.
Couldn’t agree more…
SHOULD BE: ARSHAVIN, DIABY, NASRI, VELA
COULD BE: NASRI, DIABY, DENILSON, VELA
WILL BE: EBOUE, SONG, DIABY, NASRI
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM………
The question now is will the board do anything about it like they did with GG.
Wengers experiment lost him his job at Monaco, he waited a bit longer to start it here but it looks like its going the same way.
So….whos next to take the managers seat at the Emirates because if Wenger continues like this then we are royally fucked and he still has a few years left on his contract, that he never breaks.
I said it ystdy or was it Monday that being 18 didnt excuse Ramsey from having such a shocker. %mill we paid for him meaning he was special. Im yet to see anything special from him. Wilshere and Vela u can tell are special. Other of our youngsters like Bendtner, Djourou I cant see anything special in them
stu… maybe martin o’niel… he looks good at turning mid-table (which we will be if this continues) teams in top 4 teams!!
* 5 million i meant here we go again
Players signing for us was never about the money….it was about the football….
players wanted to come to Arsenal to play with the likes of Bergy, Vieira, Overmars, Petit, Campbell, Pires, Freddy, Henry etc…..
we really dont have that attraction any more….do we???
Franchise makes a very good point about Flamini in Milan.
Extending that to our current team, no one except Sagna, Fab and RvP (maybe Kolo) could hold down a regular place in a real top team. I know Kolo was on the Invincibles team, but he had Lehman behind him and sol next to him.
We need to be looking for world class players, players who can revolutionize this team, not players who add incremental ability. AW needs to rebuild and rebuild big.
Mood-swinging once again!!! Can’t some of us be consistent with our belief? Y’day I read from several pple of the possibility of coming 2nd giving that we are 6 (or realistically 9) points adrift United. Just because Villa won, y’day, most grovers are saying we are doomed for Uefa cup. IMO, we are more INconsistent than song and Eboue (sorry song and Ebuoe)
Inadequate players recall last days of Graham
There is a sense of déjà vu with the current team for some observers
By Richard Hatton
Only now do I begin to realise how spoilt we have been. The memories of the last George Graham years are now starting to be resurface, woeful football being played by dreadful players. Please don’t get me wrong, as in the mid-Graham era we saw some marvelous football played by some excellently talented footballers. Anders Limpar, Paul Davis, David Seaman, that majestic back four and of course Wrighty, every signing was massive and the football brilliant.
Then the crap starting arriving, Chris Kiwomya, Glen Helder, John Jensen, players that were one, maybe two leagues above their station, and the standard of football became woeful. We became reliant on Ian Wright’s goals and the meanest back five in the land, that was it.
Then along came Dennis, then Wenger and then a flood of brilliance. Footballers you wanted to watch play the game we love to the highest standard. One touch telepathy from an extraordinarily talented collection of professionals, and this was the spoilt era. This is when we were had the hottest seats in football.
Now whether there is a coincidence with the demise of our team and the sacking of David Dein, I don’t know, however it does seem that our negotiating arm has been severed and we are now forced to put up with sub standard football played by very sub standard footballers. The list is worrying, and maybe what’s more worrying is that Arsene Wenger, a man who I had great admiration and respect for, really seems to believe that Nicholas Bendtner, Emanuel Eboue, Alexander Song are even close to being Premiership footballers.
They are awful, no ball control, no football brain just nothing and in Eboue’s case a cheat and a liar also, a ploy he uses to make up for his lack of ability on a football field. I am positive Arsene understands football much better than I do but why is he being so ignorant with regards to this footballer? How many more bad touches and poor finishing does he need to see from Bendtner before he puts that particular dog out of its misery.
I realise you have dry years. Years to rebuild and become trophy hunters again, I would afford patience if progression was evident, but it’s not.
Arsene Wenger has revolutionised our club, dragged it into the new millennium. However now I feel like I was spoilt and an unnerving feeling of déjà vu is haunting me.
im no AKB ,
that’s for fucking sure .
ive said in the past if he cant do the job he has to move on ,
his sub’s sometimes are like some football dad giving every team player a fair go , instead of intelligent sub’ing that can change a game .. his persistence with crap players .. whilst he used to be on the ball and gave us some great memories, they are getting far and few in between !
i always thought he was getting a cut for his monetary dealings based on performances , AFC is about as corrupted as half the architectural firms are in the western world
good post pedro ?
because he makes the club money, so now we know, it’s not about the right player, it’s about his salary and that is why he persists with such young and ordinary players.
he might well do , but who is the driving force behind the motivation . who structured his contract to ensure anyone who took over the reigns of manager will be tempted by the bonus purely based on the boards tight wad stance on spending . he has been force fed this logic by clauses within his contract .. you sure as hell would give it a try if it means your own pockets are lined with gold EH ?, i know i would try too meet the objectives and 99% of the people reading this would also be tempted to buy and sell at a profit to meet quota also ..
Wenger can be replaced by anyone but its the boards tight waddedness
, thats fucking us over …
the wengers can come and go .. but whilst the board keep dangling the tight wad carrots in front
of there staff they will penny pinch with ruthless effectiveness .
If the board really REALLY cared we would have secured arshavin ASAP , and got a DM in also .
they dont want wenger to spend ( a la arshavin) any more than they have too !
Players used to want to come to Arsenal for the football….
To play alongside the likes of Overmars, Petit, Vieira, Pires, Freddy, Edu, Campbell, Bergy, Henry etc……we have always had a wage struture, so we cant really use that as an excuse.
We just dont have that special attraction anymore…do we? DO WE!!????
If we beat Everton and keep a clean sheet, we will have kept our momentum going and that will hold us in good stead.
We might even continue this string of draws and wins to end up in the top 4, 3 or 2, but it still won’t make this a good team.
BTW, I wouldn’t mind GG back. At least we didn’t leak goals like this in his era!
What happened to the protest which was being planned earlier?
Wenger is only part of the problem. Sacking him will not fix the board. I’d rather sack the board and have Wenger goaled on silverware and style than on money.
Doesn’t the house of commons call it ‘A Conflict Of Interests’?
Why would our manager ever want to ‘rebuild big’ as PDT put it?? Where’s his incentive? By doing such a thing he eats into the clubs profits, thereby reducing the bonuses/benefits he recieves for doing a ‘good job’…………when AW measures success by how much he earns then he is no better than the overpaid prima donnas that masquerade as Arsenal players……
the only thing i can think of why wenger makes these stupid comments,
is because he is trying to take the pressure of his players.
but if we havent got players who can deal with the pressure, what are they doing here?
Arsenal don’t need an Uzbek, we need a compensation specialist!
I wouldn’t mind seeing Frank Rijkaard or MArco Van Basten take over as manager.
Even a klutz like Roman understands the need for silverware and style together!
Ojaimo no one comes to a blog to discuss arsenal everyday of their life cos they are bored. a lot of us love our club and want to see it succeed. ive read a lot of intelligent comments and articles from other arsenal fans from diff parts of the world on this blog. we arent here to whine. We expect more, deserve more as fans that is why we are worried.
We dont even play beautiful football anymore. we cant win trophies. we cant pay fransfer fees. we cant pay wages, board members fired. etc how can all the signals coming out from a club be so negative?????
Part of being a football fan is the ups and downs. currently most from our club has been a consistent downer. 8 match unbeaten and im scared to get excited cos ive seen it go pop on too many occassions, this is the time to prevent that by signing players yet we are told we arent close to any1 and wenger can only be so well paid cos he makes the club money. WTF
AT this rate, I don’t know if I want Wenger kicked upstairs….I would prefer he was fired along with PHW and Fishboy….which of course wont happen because it is their club.
Wenger is driving the Arsenal microeconomy towards deflation! Ironic, given how much is made about his economics degree!
I’m going to become a Salamanca and Beveren supporter in protest!
i wouldnt sack wenger i would sack the board,its all down to that tosser fizman.
all he wants to do is fill his pockets,make my words he will be off soon.
we need to make a stand,show this board we are tired of this s*** and we want answers.
How must Fab be feeling sitting on the sidelines and watching the crap that passes off as Wengerball!
Wenger still has his continuosly dwindling faithfuls. Sm1 on here last night said they would take Song over Carrick
The clock is ticking and we have yet to make a signing, same old drama being played out again. This is going to be the season that will shake things at the Arsenal, we will not qualify for CL and as a result some of the players will leave the club. We will have a takeover and major changes will happen. The major losers out of it all is us the fans.
If we are not going to buy anyone, and our only purchase was Nasri (am not including silvestre) then as fans we deserve anwsers from the club be it from the board or wenger about our situation, we get conflicting reports about the finance, Fizman says we have the dosh, or is it wenger who does not want to spend, at the shareholders meeting we were all given the impression that new players would be brought in joking wenger said to ken friar “you will busy this summer” BS !
I really think Dein is the answer to most of our problems. We need dickhead fishboy to kiss and make up with Dein.
Dein and El Nina should gang up together.
Swap Scolari with Wenger! Haha!!
Some good news…………………..re THEO
AW say he wants to keep Theo (obviously) and say he will be offered new contract.
“We will sort that out. We are in negotiations.
“He wants to stay and we want him to stay, so we should find an agreement.”
When Dein left the club, it has since gone down hill, get rid of hillwood get some young energetic people into the club to take us forward , at present on the playing feild we are miles behind Man ure
no 1 goon if we are to believe the arsenal holdings accounts fizman only received £25,000 (salary) for the whole year as his emolument. he didnt make fuck all from the club the only thing of worth he has are his shares which are useless to him financially unless he sells them. Arsene is the stumbling block
Wardo – yes, he wants to keep Theo, but then he waffled on and on about image rights and our wage bill and how other clubs cook their books and we are the great shining light of the EPL.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
here is proof no1 goon
http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/documents/sep_08/gun__1222765802_annual_report2008.pdf
Bring Dein Back! Being Dein Back! Bring Dein Back! Being Dein Back! Bring Dein Back! Being Dein Back! Bring Dein Back! Being Dein Back! Bring Dein Back! Being Dein Back! Bring Dein Back! Being Dein Back! Bring Dein Back! Being Dein Back! Bring Dein Back! Being Dein Back! Bring Dein Back! Being Dein Back! Bring Dein Back! Being Dein Back!
wardo… sounds very flamini-ish to me mate
go to page 38
yeah get rid of phw and fizman,we need to shake the board up and there the one’s who should be going.
look at that statement phw made about kronke only to have to eat his words then have him on board.what a muppet.
and fizman he sounds like he just sits in his chair smoking the finest cuban cigars all day thinking how can i make more money off this stupid fans!
Anyone else got a feeling Ramsey may start again tonight, he gives Eboue chance after chance to recover his form/confidence (erm, did he ever have any form) so logic suggests he’ll do likewise???
no1goon, if the wankers had accepted Kranky on day one, Dein would still have been around and we wouldn’t have been in this almighty mess!
i cant remember exactly..but wasnt it phw that said dont do what the fans want or something like that…what a prick, he just thinks the fans will keep coming every matchday to watch players like eboue and song instead of what once was..
I don’t mind Ramsey getting a start. He is better than he was against Cardiff…..Denilson-Diaby-Ramsey-Nasri wouldn’t be bad, though I wish he gave Vela a start too.
So…..We want Dein back, Nina back, the boards to feck off, get some ambition and trophies. Job done then!
I dont want Wenger on the board if he doesnt change things. For all we know he wont let the next manager either.
even though dein said some stupid things he always had arsenal in his heart,he spoke with real passion.
i would love lady nina bracewell to come out an tell us the real reason she was booted off.
was she asking to many questions and billy big boots lashed out?
Ramsay has played three games now – Burnley, Portsmouth reserves, Cardiff away – where he has been absolutely awful. He’s looked nowhere near ready to play regularly.
It looks as if Wenger has done another almighty fuck up with Ramsay, similar to the ones he made with Song and Denilson. Buying them young as exceptional talents, when they’re not, they’re merely talented and may or may not make it.
So, he’s left with even more youthful congestion, more young upstarts that have been promised first team football before signing, and hardly any of them are equipped to do so on a semi-regular basis.
Wenger is extremely close to totally screwing up his legacy here. Closer than improving upon it anyway.
Breaking NEWS!!! David Moyes of Everton have agreed to allow Arsenal win his boys today so that the arse fans will not sack wenger by month end.
Thank you David, that’s very totful of you.
OK, so I need to go and follow a different game till 2011 when Wenger retires. I hope.
Paulinho, what about Fenerbahce (twice), Villa, Wigan, Blackburn, where Ramsey played really well?
jimbo 100% with you mate,why was fergie so pissed when we signed him then!
give rambo time.
OJ, thats a match fixing scandal. Be careful!
Jimbo stop exaggerating things he was ok in some of those games u mentioned
Ramsey will come good and fast! He is on the Cesc path.
Three points, clean sheet and Arshavin signs tomorrow.
Bye all – have fun – and remember that we will win the Treble in 2012!
There is always the argument that Rambo would be better at United because he would have talent and experience around him. I mean if they can make the likes of Welbeck and Evans look great then im sure they could do the same with Ramsey. unlike here where hes surrounded by Eboue, Song, Silvestre, Denilson etc etc etc
Breaking NEWS!!! David Moyes of Everton have agreed to allow Arsenal win his boys today so that the arse fans will not sack wenger by month end.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28012009/58/transfers-transfer-talk-sorry-city-eye-aguero.html
Fergie planned to loan Rambo out back to Cardiff for another year cos he knew he wasnt ready yet and he couldnt give him the games he would need. he only started 11 times i thnk for cardiff last season. as a CM he is years away from being the bollox. i dont mind having him but he looks so out of depth at the moment. someone more experienced should be making the numbers not ramsey. Championship football is better than reserve football.
He’s talented Jimbo but there are three games now where he has looked absolutely dreadful – I mean it’s almost as if he hasn’t played football before.
He’s lacking the basic fundamentals of the cesc-like prodigy he’s supposed to be. Things that just came naturally to Cesc look complelely beyond Ramsay, which do not compute with all the hype he was getting before he joined. I thought he was supposed to be special and as good as Ryan Giggs?
He’s got talent, I’m not denying that. Great shot and a few nice step overs when he’s loosened up and confident but the problem is he won’t be ready for another two or three years at least…. if ever. He’s got far too many flaws to put your house on him making it at Arsenal.
That’s what I mean about Wenger screwing up. He’s bought yet another youngster who will need years to groom, when his place could have been taken up by a seasoned pro like Arshavin.
Good news……..SONG is on the BBC. He has made the list of Crimewatch: Britains Most Wanted…
I presume for raping the Arsenal midfield………who gonna shop him??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/
Transfer Talk is feeling sorry for Arsene Wenger, who has been playing perhaps the coolest game of transfer window poker in the history of football with his attempts to prise Andrei Arshavin from Zenit St Petersburg.
Yet every time the Arsenal manager seems to be about to scoop the Arshavin pot, some idiot standing behind him blurts out ‘hey, that’s a good hand!’ and destroys what we assume was intended to be yet another brilliant bluff or counter bluff.
That’s what seems to have happened when Zenit claimed that they’d agreed a fee with Arsenal for the Russian international, and Wenger’s subsequent denial (“I can’t be responsible for what other clubs say… there seem to be several voices coming out of the club…” and so on) rings about as true as the protestations of a blushing card player trying to pretend that the idiot standing behind him was only joking.
Gallas is there as well Wardo…
For every Cesc there would be at least 3 Songs. Cesc since he made his debut at 16 has never looked out of his depth even when he needed to partner Gilberto, Vieira or Edu in our last season at Highbury which was Cesc’s 2nd at Arsenal. U dont come across those players everyday u know.
ArsenalKenya – I couldn’t give a shit mate – I’ve had enough of Wenger and Arsenal’s crap. Every other team manages to go out and buy players in a fairly straightforward way.
What are we really benefitting from with all of AW’s secrecy? Nobody else’s transfers are getting hijacked all the time. Even the feckin spuds can manage to sign players…
get off rambos back,he has done well in most of the games his played.
he is learning and he will pick it up fast im sure.
i think the kid can become a arsenal legend in years to come.
Wilshere is in the Cesc mould.
Watching Ramsay the other day made me remember how good Cesc was when he first came in. Little things you take for granted like first touch – I think it took a year before Fabregas gave the ball away with a bad first touch.
just a quick drop in….before i go to work
I think the AA thing will not happen..why? If it is true we have not agreed a fee, we have not talked personal terms..then there is still a fair amount of work to be done. At least not comcluded until Thursday…Bearing in mind the work permit approvals take two days in russia, if it is not done today/tomorrow that means we miss the deadline. potentially….dead duck I fear.
We will only sign RVP and Theo!
We will make a load of signings. Rosicky, Eduardo, Walcott, Cesc all returning from injury, RvP signing a contracr extension and whoever else signs an extension. All new signings that will win us the title because we are only about 1 or 2% off totally dominating the league.
there is no need to jump on Rambo’s back – how can you even begin to use Ramsey as an excuse for our shortcomings?
He is very talented and will develop, imo, into a top-class midfielder, but he is far from bein the source or cause of our problems.
Wenger should have brought in re-infrcements in the summer, nevermind now!!!!
breakin news
http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/13378/Arshavins_agent_accuses_Zenit_over_deal.aspx
ramsay should have been a luxury signing… one we did just because we could but because of our atrocious summer dealings he became our 2nd biggest deal (after nas)
i want the whole board out, kronke as owner and dein in as chairman
Ramsey had one bad game after his home team crowd booed the hell out of him. for christ sake give the lad a chance.
he has had a lot of very good games for us and he does have a bright future despite what some are saying on here.
wenger’s trouble is he hasn’t played him at times for a month. that means you have a very rusty player on your hands. Then he is expected to come into the first team seamlessly. that is not going to happen. players can only play near their peak when they have been playing regularly.
If wenger now does not use him for another month and then needs him again when we get injuries and suspensions, you simply cannot expect him to come in and be brilliant. wenger has to be fair to his players and give them regular appearances even as a sub. this is also my issue with Vela and wilshere. If they are on the bench then they need to be coming on virtually every week if possible. Having them sitting there going rusty is bad for the player.
I want a new, dynamic board, a board that’ll give AW a rocket up his arse, and get his priorities right……………..let the fucking finance director worry about the club’s finances, and certainly not have the manager’s performance related pay be linked to the club’s profits, but to on-field success!
Ramsey wont come good unless we sign top players for him to learn off of.
Cesc is undoubtedly talented but has Vieira, Edu, Gilberto etc to learn from. Ransey has noone
thats my point Atom. Assuming Nasri was signed to replace Hleb imagine (saying Rambo in current form) was signed to replace Flamini
A late response as I popped out to lunch: thanks for the Neswnow heads-up Pedro.
Irish/Michael P I thought the whole reason for the 26th deadline was because AFC told Zenit that they needed the remaining 6-7 days of the transfer window for their “plan B” ha ha .
Dennis Lachter is in Tel AViv!!! WTF? He should be in St Petersburg sitting on the same table as Friar and Zenit chairman. what a stupid c*nt. How the fuck can arsenal resolve the agent issue with him in Tel Aviv? The mind boggles. OK so he has a phone I presume but things are never as easy over the phone – you cant thrash things out over the phone.
franchise… its pathetic… we should kept the same squad, maybe let gilberto go but only him, nasir should have been brought in to stop eboue playing and to help with rosicky being injured, ramsey shoudn’t really have mattered
gazzap – doesn’t that tell all you need to know about the likelihood of this transfer actually happening?
this is what le boss said on signing Ramsey
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“We’re delighted to have signed Aaron Ramsey,” said Wenger.
“He is a young player who has shown huge potential with his performances for both Cardiff City and Wales at Under-17 and Under-21 levels.
“He is still only 17, but has already shown that he is a very intelligent and mature player with great quality.
“Although he mainly plays in midfield, Aaron is a versatile player and can also play across the defence.
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he can play across the defence is he being serious
plan b is diay on the wing and song becoming a starter week in week out.
A new board will surely resolve most of our problems.
They will force Wenger into winning things, buying better quality players and fuck him out of it when things go horribly wrong.
Lady Nina and DD back on the board would go a long way to helping too. They were both Arsenal through and through. The current board are only here until they can sell their shares at maximum profit. And they oust anyone who threatens that plan.
He’s sitting on a beach sunning himself and he wants a £3m fee? He can fuck right off.
That’s true Paulinho. It was breath taking watching Fabregas.
My prediction is this: Wenger will play Ramsey in the replay: he always give a player a chance to redeem himself and Ramsey will play so well he will be awarded man of the match.
Ramsey wont become the next Fabregas but he will become the next best thing: the new Gerrard.
our new CB pairing for 09/10… ramsey and song
Franchise, I think wenger was referring to the several games Ramsey played at full-back for Cardiff and did very well, a la Flamini.
Fucking parasite………
im glad the cardiff fans booed rambo… now when they play again at our place he’ll think ‘you booed me for nothing! fuck you’ and destroys them
several games gazzap??? the kid only featured 22 times for cardiff city
Ramsey, if he starts the replay, should fuck them out of it and score a hattrick for the fun of it. Its disgusting booing an 18year old who was a youth at their club. Great fans huh!
gazzap, the club are far better at controlling the PR that most people give them credit for: The day after we loose the 49 match run they announce that Wenger will sign a new contract; we loose the CL final and the club announce that Henry is staying. We loose to Everton and the club announce that we have signed Arshavin to cheer us. You get the point, a new signing is always a way of burying bad news; the club know this and will use it if and when they need it.
yeah the cardiff fans were wrong to boo
yes it was a run of games to cover injuries. I dont know how many, but I heard about it the other day. guess it was something like 5 or something – that was the impression I got.
Cardiff fans are classless in the extreme. I didn’t expect much better from them. A few of them clapped him but most wanted to boo the lad.
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/news/kind=1/newsid=795753.html
Apparently Eduardo is ready to play for Croatia! So we’ll see him tonight, right!?
very wrong to boo ramsey…atleast a few tried to make up for it by clapping him when he was subbed…twunts….
Streams for tonights game:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090128051811AAFErOX
wenger has said Eduardo will play an Arsenal friendly then a Croatia friendly and then be ready for the Arsenal first team. The first game he would be ready for would be the FA cup game against Burnley/WBA – providing we beat Cardiff of course.
thx wonderboy
Eduardo’s injury occured on the 23 Feb 2008 and he will return on 16 Feb 2009. Virtually a while year out. Missing a year might actually extend his career. I think it did for Bobby.
Gazzap – I hope it does! I know I’m just being eager but I cant wait for Ade and Nikki B to get that kick up the arse they need. And RVP, although loving the plaudits, must be getting annoyed at leading the line on his own!
im telling you guys eduardo is as lethal as david villa probably more
I don’t need a stream as I will be there… oh yeah… at Goodison on my first away game of the year!
Guys i have been really busy with work all day and was playing 7 a side at lunch time so i have missed everything today…. Any news on Arshaving or anything intesteing???
Pedro i wish u good luck. Are you there yet? Would be worse for the away fans if we cant get all 3 points. especially after mancs, villa and scum got all 3 ystdy
Kenny,
Basically, we have until 5pm today to get his paperwork sorted otherwise he won’t sign because of his work permit. News at Arsenal – Nothing…. Therefore Players in = 0
A woman goes to the doctors and says,
‘Doctor, my vagina talks’
The doctor asks her to remove her trousers, as the doctor bends down to take a look, her vagina says,
‘Liverpool are going to win the Premiership’
The doctor stands up and says,
‘Nothing to worry about, there has been an epidemic of cunts talking like this recently’
very Poooooooooooooer indeed!
bets for today? Wenger “I Believe in my kids” yep and i’ve been waiting 4 years for a trophy Arsene
DDM, it’s never good enough is it?
Well should the expected happen tonight & we fail to win, look on the brightside, it may just force the board & wenger’s hand to go & make a signing. We could possible be 6 points of Villa & have Everton just 2 points behind. If that doesn’t make them act then I’m afraid nothing will.
You’re expecting us not to win GMR?
Pedro – You are to quality joke telling as Song is to quality youth development
Pedro…you had everyone in my office pissing themselves with that one!
NICE :-S
ddm….thats very very harsh man….
Its looking more and more likely that we wont make any signings!
This would be truly devestating to 99.9% of the fans! How can a club stooped in History, silverware and legends go through an entire season on the whims of a mad man? I just dont know what to expect of the team I love anymore! What happens next? The board and manager have shown no signs of wanting to improve things at Arsenal. They show no motivation. They show no commitment. They show no passion. No wonder its so hard to attract the interest of top players! Wenger’s press conferences have become so unbelievably predictable and boring that I no longer care what he has to say. Its either lies or more of the same bullshit – ‘our injured players will be like new signings’, I am happy with the squad I’ve got’, ‘I have faith in the youth’………ITS ALL FUCKING BULLSHIT!
This is how angry I get when I stop and take a second to look at the situation we find ourselves in! Why has this happened? Why are we fighting for 4th and not 1st? Are the borad lying about funds? Is wenger lying about funds? His persistance to field players like Eboue and Song are nothing short of Childish! He’s acting like a spoilt brat and refusing to acknowledge the he has got it wrong! Every fan, player, ex-player, coach, commentator, pundit etc can see that these players are draggin us down. If you trust your youth, play them Wenger! This is what you told us at the start of the season so now is the time to show us! A blindfolded, one legged Wilshere would be better than than Song and Eboue! Why are the board seemingly happy with the results he is achieving. Money of course! That whole interview and comment about being on a good wage because he makes money is nothing short of immoral. How can they charge fans the prices they do and then allow the manager to make comments like that when they get nothing in return…no star players, no silverware, not even a much of a fight to wina competition.
I just cant believe the state that this club is in and truly saddens me!
Lets put it to the vote…….
What will the result be tonight….AFC to WIN, LOSE, or DRAW?
I’m going for a WIN….Oh yeah!!! Next stop….eternal optimism!!
DDM, I don’t know whether anyone has told you… but Song is pretty crap.
Or did you mistype Cesc?
Michael P… your office has good taste!
Pedro
Hope you enjoy your experience tonight, I’m going to the Emirates to watch the game in club on the big screens.
I’ll be home before you
You going Pedro?
However, a pal in France told me that Arsene yesterday gave an interview to Canal+ in which he said that the transfer is “unlikely” to happen.
TonyAdamsisgod I could not have put that better myself, well said.
I am indeed Geoff… don’t worry though, I have safety bolts on my wheels.
Pedro, isn’t it about time you hit the road?? FYG if your seat is more than halfway back and you have to try to duck to see the pitch, you get your money back when you write to the club (they don’t have restricted view on the ticket)
Geoff – I just dont know what to think about it all anymore. How people can find optimism about anything Arsenal at the moment is beyond me! Surely there can’t be any AKB’s left out there……apart from the cunt that sits opposite me at work! Wenger has run out of ideas and I think its plain to see he is struggling to see a ‘Plan B’ which is ludicrous when you look at the bench and see players like Vela, Wilshere, Ramsey, Coquelin etc.
For the first time, I really dont think this AA deal will happen. The mix of how quiet it has all gone plus Wengers comments about wage structures, Focusing on the current squad all adds to my suspicions. Also there have been far too many news articles about Arsenal recently – Theo’s new contract, Eduardo & Rosicky close to return, Concentrating on the Everton game. You have to wonder if Arsenal are putting this out there to take our minds away from the breakdown of this deal – if in fact there really was a deal in the first place!
BBK, ain’t that off the bottom of gunnerblog post?
Pedro does not do aways. As far as I know he has only done 2, when we won the League at Old Trafford and when we won the League at WHL……… does that mean tonight is the turning point?????
fucking bang on t.a.i.g all roads lead to a loss tonight i really cant see them being able to deal with screaches hair,height and cahill’s movement from set pieces if arteta plays.HELP
BBK, Don’t believe the French, they said that they would put up a resistance to the Krauts. They lie.
Here we go, who has a French wife and a son born in France?
MP – Pedro has a history of being a joke bindipper…………….
yup gunnerblog have confirmed what we didnt want to hear, the deal is off.
BBK – Yup, I just cant see tonight going well. Wenger will field his usual uncreative, completely undynamic, brain dead midfield bar Nasri. He wont think that the creativer minds of Wilshere and Vela can do anything for the side so he’ll hope that Song and Eboue can instead – what a fucking joke that is! I know we all say it but honestly, I think I would have more chance of grabbing 3 points tonight! I hope my very very wrong come 9:45pm!
I think you are right to say that the hairy one and that little ausie cunt will cause us no end os problems tonight!
Pedro – I can’t see anything other than a defeat. We have continually struggled at Everton of late & despite that 4-1 win there, which lets be honest was about as undeserved as you can get.
Everton have a strong defence & we aren’t creating chances. Everton have a great mixture in midfield, we are one dimensional & finally Everton aren’t big scorers but seem to be able to pull out a goal, Arsenal never look likely to score these days.
Well said Tony
ddm…..what do you think about tonights game?
… and plenty of Cardiff trips Bud…
We’ve never lost when I’ve been away in the league and we’ve always won the league when I go.
DDM, I tell great jokes…
GMR, I am going… so we’d better not lose.
I think we’ll turn them over… our team is rested, there team is depleted and knackered.
It will be a good game I think. We’ll concede… but I think Ade will want to make amends and I hear RVP is due a freekick related goal at some point soon!
I think the AA deal may still go ahead…..basically, Arsenal are offering one price and Zenit trying to do all they can to get more. Including stupid comments in the press…….I think Arsenal’s plan has been to make them sweat and hope the deal go through so, expect this one to go down to the wire….which is why Arsenal have not said, 26th was deadline day. Deals off….
I still think it is a dangerous game as Zenit really dont give a flying fuck so, may cut their nose off to spite their face.
I just hope Arsenal are trying other signings. If we were top, AW could say, signings not needed. But, as GMR says, we lose tonight and we’re 6 points behind 4th spot and only 2 points clear of 6th spot………….AW and the board can not argue with fact and that my firends is a FACT !!!
im not gonna even bother watching it,i know the out-come already..
This might be petty but I’m getting really pissed off that Wenger keeps giving foreign (particularly French) tv & media information on the possibility of signings, but tells us british Arsenal fans nothing.
If he doesn’t like the british media thats fine, don’t talk to them, but tell Arsenal fans whats happening via the website. He tells French tv the Arshavin deal is unlikely to happen & tells us nothing.
Pedro, I think I may have a spare for WHL with me, you fancy it?
wardo man let it go, let it pass. let it BREATH.no one is coming in that is the reality the geezah wants 100k he’s not going to get it end of
gunnerblog is always wrong so that means he will sign
got my arsenal v fulham tickets today, eduardo hat trick comeback game!
GMR….adding to your last comment……..
I have wanted to see Arsenal take on Soccer AM’s “cross bar challlenge”. Arsenal have never agreed to take part in this. I use to wonder why. Was it cause we had a zero press policy on our training ground…………..THEN, Arsenal team does take part in the cross bar challenge for a French equivalent of Soccer am………..it was reported in Canal+ and in Arsenal programme. I FUCKING COULDN:T BELIEVE IT.
oh, and Almunia was the only one to hit the bar.
Definitely Steve!
come on people we have the best 2 midfielders in the world denilsong will see us through
GMR, you do have a good point . He has given foriegn media plenty of hints and snippets of info that he fails to give over here. Maybe its do with the british press, they dont exactly treat him well, while in France he is well respected. However I cant help but feel that its the Arsenal fans who miss out, and we are the ones who pay his wages.
BBK…….its not off completely. Still a chance but, its a slim one. Its only off on Feb 2nd 5pm.
Lets change the subject as Football is fucking shit at the moment………
HAS ANYONE SEEN “DON’T MESS WITH THE ZOHAN” ……………………….the funniest film I have see in a lifetime, fecking brilliant !!!!!!!!!!!
In all seriousness I may have a spare. It’ll be free too. Will know by the end of the week.
is that the adam sandler one bud
Pedro – You have obviously been to the Arsene Wenger school of spin young man!
Goalkeepers are always the one to hit the bar on the crossbar challenge.
Steve, sounds excellent… let me know!
Right, I am off… COME ON YOU GOONERS!
1-2 Ade, RvP
and the rest pedro
Wardo – I remember watching some grainy footage of that challenge online, it just further alienates us from the club.
Arse&Nose – As I said he doesn’t have to talk to the British media (plenty of managers don’t) just tell Arsenal fans whats going on via the website, I don’t think thats asking too much really.
I hate the fact we are known as the French leagues 21st team, that doesn’t impress me at all.
Yes. I thought Sandler since Happy Gilmore has not done a remotely funny film, but feck me, I had to stop the film on several occassions to rewind as I had such fits of laughter I missed huge chunks as I was bent over in pain and couldn’t see, let alone hear the TV…………. Legend of a film !!!!!
Tropical Thunder tonight…….. anyone seen? Is it as funny as it looks???
See what Wenger has done to me, turned me into a film nonse to get my happiness that the Arsenal used to once provide me with !!!!!!!!
smell it,smell it,now take it lolllllllll
i like tropical thunder bud, funnier than i thought it would be. Never be a classic, but certainly worth a watch
Go on Pedro, let them have it.
How can Wenger say we are in a good position to win trophies this year?
No Cesc, Theo, Rosicky until the end of March!
No Eduardo for another couple of weeks!
No new signings – Even if AA signs that wont be enough!
Song is fucking terrible and he is quite a regular!
Eboue is fucking terrible and he is even more of a regular!
Diaby is average on one of his good days!
Denilson is average full stop.
Ramsey needs time.
Vela doesnt get played enough!
Wilshere needs to find where Eboue and Song have hidden the picture that prove Wenger is a pdf file before he can play.
And worst of all…….the one person who has the power to change all of that is the same fuckingt bloke that has created all of this!!
gmr publishing anything on the official website is the same as releasing the info to the press. No manager and no club openly discusses all the goings on regarding transfers, and players they’re after, unless they’re intentionally trying to unsettle players or generate new interest. We’re far too professional for that, which is something i’m proud of
Oh, go and see Role Models! Its fucking class! Nothing better than little kids swearing their bollocks off!!
MP – The truth is i can’t see us getting more than a 1-1 draw, but if he starts with Song, Eboue and Denilson then we a royally fucked. Not one of those muppets is AFC 2009 material, but who cares, i’ll tell you who cares AW & the Board coz they are fucking cheap, so we’ll get a cheap result 2-1 to the lesser bindippers……….
Hey Pedro – That was the best line ever mate………..”you tell great jokes”………….i tell ya i laughed so hard i’m sure a little wee seeped out
TonyAdamsisgod, I think that Wenger thinks he is bigger than the club. Bud that was me at White Hart lane, that was the 21 pint day, remember?
Geoff – I dont think he thinks he is bigger than the club…..he thinks HE IS the club!! And we’re stuck with him coz as we all heard – he makes the club plenty of cash!
Where is the game being streamed tonight??
Wardo – Looks like you could be bang on! SSN just reporting that its Zenit that haven’t agreed the terms yet! They are saying they want £15m!
Heh, Zenit haven’t even agreed a few, the beavery looking one has spoken..
£15m plus huge wages means no transfer! Lets hope we can call their bluff!
tonyadamsisagod…….I really dont like what you said bout Wenger there “pdf file”. I feel very stongly bout that word and believe it should only be used in extreme circumstances………when that word is used, people should stand up and take it very seriously as kids are involved. Those wanker fans up the road sing that all the time which endorses my hatred of them.
Pls dont call wenger that again. He may get things wrong but he is not that.
according to sky sports news zenit are spouting off again, and have said they’ll accept 15 mil, which is their final offer, but we’ve offered 12 mil plus 3 mil add ons, whereas they want 15 dead.
Sounds pretty ridiculous considering they published on their official website we’d reached an agreement etc. Zenit and all the people involved from their side really are a bunch of bellends, i’d imagine people will be very reluctant to do business with them in the future with the way they’ve conducted themselves
Darren, you’re not likely to find out until k.o time.
Zenit are insane!
We’d be better off just calling off negotiations and biding for someone else.
A – the longer this goes on, the more they will panic………..they are just complete arse holes
tonyadamsisagod…….should have said, I do agree with some of the other points tho mate.
yeah i agree, bunch of complete idiots. It must put anyone off doing business with them in the future. The managing director saying there is a verbal agreement amongst the top clubs not to sign anyone who buys out their contract stinks of desperation and fear. I wouldn’t expect clubs to refuse to go for arshavin if he bought out the contract purely because it’s zenit who have been fuckheads so arshavin would be completely within his rights to buy it out!
Wardo: Appologies – only meant to illustrate what it takes to get into the team!
Nil – I was thinking that earlier…….tell them to fuck off, start the media going on a £10 mil bid else where. Zenit will come calling agreeing the £12mil plus £3mil add ons within a day
Dont see why we dont do this, we are playing the “zenit will panic” game anyway……..
i love the fact that we’re using croatia as a reserve team game to get eduardo fit. Lets hope he bags a hattrick
Ha Ha Ha, and once again AFC look like a bunch a tight arsed amateurs, big club my arse!
A player that might mean the difference between ECL football next season or not, and these so-called guardians of AFC can’t see beyond their own fat fucking self serving interests.
These are the very same wanker that preach about club values etc etc, but are quite happy to sell off anything that was nailed down at Highbury for a fast buck, cunts the lot of ‘em………..
Just tell them and Arshavin that is all off! No way back! Dont want to deal with you children anymore!
They’ll be happy to get the £12m on its own!
yeah ddm, it’s definitely us who look like the amateurs here….. ffs
Ahhhhhhh yes, it was you Geoff……. you got thrown out for fighting with Spud stewards…….. we was in the Bill Nicholson Suite and a table and meal and everything that we did not eat because it was not Pork !!!!!
yeah i almost think we should tell them the deal is off. Then again there are so many zenit “representatives”, the the media outlets are so willing to believe any of them, and believe that they’re genuinely representing the club, the club can’t necessarily be held responsible for all the bollocks spouted.
Dont get me wrong – I think we should ctry to call their bluff. BUT, if they out think us then I would still handover the £15m coz at the end of the day thats not a lot of money for someone of his quality!
If what the managing director says is true though, we’ll also be having to pay 7-8 million in wages, so will actually be paying fair bit over 20 mil in total, whether or not he’s worth that i really don’t know
ok wenger gets bonuses for not spending a red cent ..
well so would i !
in fact i did ,
ok mine was more like no more than 5 k annually ,
a pat on the back and a cheap bottle of red at christmas .
there you go son ! … next year we want more of the same ..
but it was my bosses who created the theory ! who set the monetary parameters in place .
for me to meet objectives .. football however is a different ball game,more so than main stream economics in the work place .
wenger is like 50% the way thru his contact , and by getting arshavin he probably will blow this years bonus .. and the next … possibly ..
Like i said all along its the board’s mentality that wont change .. ive read over the years PHW has many times called wenger a dream manager for turning a profit and getting bargain players who turn into stars .. generating income , revenue, on a constant basis , its only natural after some time you would be saying i need my cut also !
but who is really promoting the mentality ?
i think we all know the real answer !
and its not wenger .. so your all saying sack wenger and throw the dice to see if someone can
buy cheap unknown players better ? because if you sack him , whilst the board is still in place
you will get the same setup … just differing faces ….
no one can juggle the budget like wenger …. can you imagine huges doing this or redknapp?
their answer is to spend stupid amounts on average players ..
im not holding him unaccountable however.
but this is a case of the company policies are having a detrimental effect on the FOOTBALL club, this is a simple matter of current market trends and company policies colliding .
and to still run with this policy is madness ..
the board at some stage need to say , hey … we need a better class of player …
……
(yet under there breathe they say ) …..but remember your bonus
Weak all round …
Yes we fucking do, entering into some sort of bargain basement negotiations for a World Top Ten player, fucking hell are we serious or not? They were willing to accept 15m for this monkey, yes? Yet we were only willing to offer 12m, well fucking walk away and go shopping in fucking woolworths then………..although i admit it’s been painful dealing with the Russian mafia this has been fucking shambolic!
he’s not one of the best ten players in the world, and we’re offering no less than the players worth, or anyone else would be willing to pay at the moment….
the only thing that’s been shambolic about the transfer is the incredible idiocy of the russians, we’ve not done a single thing out of the ordinary
ethangunner – thats a massive possibility and could be quite near the truth. But on the other hand its not PHW that is picking Song and Eboue week in week out. Also, I couldn’t see Hughes or Redknapp doing that either!
call the deal off, russians are a disgrace, is their any nice russian people out their?
yes there are AJ, i’ve got a couple of very good friends who are russian.
you couldn’t see hughes or redknapp doing what tony?! ever managing a decent team?!
A – yeah that and playing Song and Eboue!
i’d play song and eboue when necessary. Redknapp and hughes would’ve ever have the chance to manage them because they’re embarrassments of managers. How hughes has even got to manage city i’ll never know, he’ll be gone soon enough.
it actually says zenith will accep arsenal 15 mil offer
Can everyone on here list all the nationalities of all friends and family to avoid another nuclear fallout please.
well have you ever seen a club runned by russians like this? this is a disgrace and no wonder why noone else has put a bid in for arshavin, the club, the player, the agent are a disgrace,ban them from the game
I am surprised Michelle Platini has not said anything bout this………when its an English club (Ronaldo off from Real, Barca offer for Henry / Hleb etc etc etc), I’m sure Pratini said something to ply more pressure……….
AJ, they are just playing the more money game. They know their deadlines…….how they go bout that it up to them. I wish they wouldn’t but, this is Football for you.
Can I just say that Wnger is now wheeling out Risicky ready in 8 weeks, just days after saying a new signing will take 8 to 12 weeks to bed in…….. we are yet again being mugged off by The Professor of Bullshit Spin aka Arsehole Wenger !!!!
AJ, Zenit have put a price on 1 of their players and nobody has reached the valuation. That isn’t Zenit’s fault or Arsenal’s. I don’t blame them at all for their stance. If we priced Cesc at 30m and Barca offer 20m would you think it o.k to chastise Arsenal??
or people could just not insult nationalities or races?! though i didn’t think the welsh thing yesterday warranted the chaos that insued
Captain Monty!!!
That should be WENGER and Rosicky……… see what happens when I get angry……. I press the buttons real hard and the wrong letters come out……. fuck you Arsenal, see what you are doing to me, turning me dyslexic you fuckers !!!
AJ…i think wenger will same the same thing on feb 3rd….
Sky Sports says Zenit have accepted a 15m bid by Arsenal.
A…the welsh thing????
Ha, ha I remember that meal Bud, we said fuck off!
now Zenit say they have accepted a bid for another zenit striker Paval Pavrazuk but the player deny’s it, so zenit to sell arshavin, pavracuk and tomanzx to bolton. 3 big key players, this will never happen, their fans would go mad and the team would be finished
Darren…..Monty is an arsehole!!! agree?
Its difficult to blame Zenit for this.
Arshavin got 3msigning on fee for agreeing a 4 year contract, he has only completed 2 years so he owes half of that fee back. This is quite common practice in European transfers, Arsenal should not have to pay this-its up to Arshavin to pay it back as it was a bonus paid for his loyalty.
It is up to Arshavin and his agent now, they seem to be more interested in money however and for that reason I dont care if he doesnt join anymore.
And they’ve given me Tourettes…….. C**** !!!!!!!!!
Wardo I agree.
they have said they will accept 15 mil, does not say accepted or arsenal Lewyd
Do you remember singing Champions, just the 2 tables of us Gooners in amongst all those low life spuds……… was fecking marvellous…….. it did help that the other table of Gooners were the most massive aggressive gangster looking collection ever ammassed to date in this country………. was like WWF Raw !!!!!
No Wardo…not at all.. he s a legend!! will be a great captain and so much better than faldo!
Well I now believe we are in a bigger mess than at anytime during the 12 years of Wenger.He has consistently told us about bringing in players in the summer which amounted to Nasri for hleb, an amateur in bischoff, an over age croch from united (fergie must have been jumping for joy to .75millon for him) and a young prospect in Ramsey.Yet a year ago we were top of the League,and now wenger is saying finances are more important than trophies and is even giving Everton a boost (in the tabloids) on the day we play them.
The world and his mother is waiting for us to fall from grace,which all predicted would happen months ago.our net spend in the summer was 4 million are we arsenal or Hartlepool.I take the valid point that the paying fans feel more cheated than those who can’t attend.And by the way why doesn’t our new CO say something, a month in and not a dickie bird.You would be hard to write a script like that anywhere. If i was a board member and call an extra ordinary board meeting so the real answers can be demanded,instead of this cloud of mystery surrounding our great club.Too late now for this season, so he might as well play the kids we have nothing to lose.How very sad.
difficult to blame zenit for this?!?!?!
Noone is blaming zenit for the fact that they havn’t yet accepted a bit, but they have been absolutely ridiculously unprofessional in releasing information the entire time to the press in an attempt to improve their position etc etc, often releasing contradicting reports, blaming people for this, that, and the other etc.
They’ve conducted themselves horrifically, and they’re completely to blame for that!
check out the transfer stories and updates and you can see pretty much every club involved in this signing or that signing…except arsenal who have been stuck negotiationg over AA. Who the fuck is dealing with this???? How crap are AFC in transfer dealings????AAAAARRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
it is zenit fault, they have put Arsenal football club, who have been very professional and quiet throughout whole deal, the player, agent through all papers and news by releasing statements every day, confusing everyone and making the whole thing a joke! so yes the directors at zenit and the football club need to take a good hard look at themsevles, Zenit have acted just as bad if not as worse as Real madrid do, no other football club does business like this, disgrace
just checked sky….cant see a rpt saying Zenit have agreed £15mil today…..have seen something similar Monday or Tuesday
fuck Arshavin, lets sign somebody we need, although just like August, AW has left it too late, pathetic.
AJ…ur sounding just like wenger will next tuesday!!
A, if Arsenal conducted transfers in the proper manner it would never have got this far. We blamed L’Om for the Nasri debacle and Madrid for the Baptista debacle and now Zenit for the Arshavin debacle.
There is only 1 common denomonater here.
Darren, he’s not a legend but, I do agree he will make a good captain and I’ll support him BUT, he’s still an arsehole.
He talks down to people all the time……..such an arsehole. Not as bad as Bob Geldof tho…..
Raquel??
Gourcrouff or whatever his name is has a 15m buy out clause… offer them the cash instead!!!
if not him then try for david silva or arteta there are plenty of players out there!!
Wardo I just saw it now as breaking news at the bottom of the screen.
disagree Wardo
Steve… very good point mate… even the sagna deal was dragged out.
Darren….bout Bob or Monty??? or both??
Sorry!
cheers Lewyd24……checking it now
Are we talking Ryder Cup?
I don’t think Monty is much of a ‘people person’ by all acounts.
I remember telling Paul Allen he dived in the 1980 cup final and he was a fucking little cheat and getting John Pratt to sign the Tottenham programme congratulating us on winning the league!
A & N. You go to a shop where there are no prices on the goods. You say “I will give you £12 for that”. You get a reply of “NO way – that is £20 ”
Then the shopkeeper keeps changing the price as you walk out the door, having made what you see as a fair bid. You turn round when he says, “OK , I will take your £12″. You say “great, I am happy with that.” And get out the flexible friend. Then the shopkeeper says “Well actually I have changed my mind. How about we settle on £15 ?”
What do you do, say Sod it, I will pay the extra money, or walk away from the deal ?
I would tell them to sling their hook. If this deal goes pear-shaped, it won’t be because of Arsenal, who have been consistent in their bid. It will be because Zenit, and AA’s agent have different moral values to us.
AA may be a great player, but he alone will not make much difference to this team. I see him as a Rosicky replacement. And do you think that just by putting Mozart into this AFC team, we will be contenders ? I don’t. I would tell Zenit ” you have 30 minutes to accept our bid, or you will be left with a player who doesn’t want to play for you. Take it or Goodbye”
I can safely say that I have never been this depressed about ‘things Arsenal’. I’m fed up with talk about finances, meaningless speculation and spin. Forget about all the arguments over details….one thing is clear. There is either a lack of intelligence amongst those who run our club or a lack of integrity. Obviously it is a mixture of the two. The lack of integrity covers everything from dishonesty to motivation purely for financial gain. I must admit I am close to my wits end with all this nonsense.
The failure to consider the possible negative interpretations from AW’s most recent interview just about sums up the club’s lack of respect for the fans. It wasn’t an intelligent thing to say and if it was intended to justify not buying players it showed a lack of integrity.
steve what would be conducting transfers in a proper manner be?! the only thing i could think of would be having turned our backs and walked away as soon as zenit started spouting off to the press, though it was the agent at first.
madrid are cunts when it comes to transfers, you could find much more to show them the common denominator than us….
nasri was just complicated, but there weren’t problems, and we didn’t blame anymore. It was agreed well before, it just couldn’t be completed until ben arfa had signed for marseille etc.
This is the only transfer deal that’s been a complete debacle, and it’s down to zenit, if it wasn’t for zenit we would never have known what had been going on, which would have been better for everyone.
however it often happens that clubs try to fuck each other over with big transfers, like utd with berbatov, and hargreaves.
In this case it feels like we made an offer for a player who wants to come to us, and we’ve just stood around trying to act like adults and looking bemused whilst zenit conduct a full on circus act. If there was an alternative we would’ve walked away on day 1, but wenger obviously very highly rates arshavin, and doesn’t have an equally good alternative
Tom, it always is with us. i remember when Wenger first joined that people had no idea he was looking for players and poof, there was a picture of them on the pitch at Highbury in the Arsenal shirt.
is someone at home watching sky? have arsenal agrred a deal with zenit or what or are zenit just sayign we will but have not yet accepted arsenal 15 mil deal, plys get the facts boys, cause i see on website it just has on transfer clockwatch that they will but have not accepted a 15 mil offer, arse have only offered 12 remember
AJ. You said it in far fewer words than me !!
Monty will be a great captain..he is well respected amongst his fellow players and knows how to win a Ryder Cup more than most… he ll have a great team behind him as well.
there are other ways of making a profit, other than selling players.
TV revenue and competition revenue is an unknown each year.
If you win the FA Cup you get 2 mill, if you get knocked out in the 4th round you may only get a few 100K.
If you win a CL game, you get 1.5 mill, if you lose you get nothing.
If you finish 1st in the league, you get more than finishing 4th.
If you win the CL, you get more than being knocked out in the last 8.
I am sure Wenger is aware of this, and he should be working on winning competitions, to increase our revenues and therefore our profits.
is deal accepted? report asap
No problem Wardo.
I’ll be honest. I would prefer if we did our transfers like the scum up the road.
Harry comes out and says, “we are after that player”.
He then says, “meet our new player”, or “we are not going to get them now”.
What do we get from Wenger…. shit like………….. “It is somewhat ill conceived to believe that the conception of all manifestation is in fact a scholastic misinterpretation” ……….. or other equally pathetic fucking pox-hole cryptical no sense nonsense !!!
Maybe A, none of us have been privvy to the negotiations unfortunately so we’ll never know. Maybe Arsenal haven’t been as pure as the driven snow and threatened Zenit with Arshavin’s buy out situation next summer. Time will tell I guess.
is he well respected darren?? I’m sure he is as a person, but as a player I was under the impression (kinda like faldo) he was well known to be a bit of a bellend, and most people disliked him somewhat. Great player, but nobhead
I concur Bud.
AJ according to Sky Zenit have accepted a 15m bid.
MArk C its not exactly an unknown the figures are very well known
no aj, zenit havn’t accepted an offer, sky just claim zenit told them they have decided they will accept 15 million in cash, whereas our offer was 12 million plus 3 mil in add ons
good afternoon grovers how we all doing? quick Q, anyone know what site is decent to watch the match on tonight? on the wagon so no boozers tonight!
I have to confess that I always thought that Monty wasn’t well liked on the tour, much like Faldo. Look how shit that appointment went.
He made Gallas look like a power of strength and stability.
but didn’t zenit say this on their website yesterday? transfer clock watch says they will accept 15 mil bid but don’t say arsenal are the team or they have bid 15 mil, this is weird. is it the yellow breaking news box on sky tv down the bottom? than that’s proper breaking news and true
Steve….one of your words in you last post is bound to offend someone!!! ha ha ha
no lewyd that isn’t true. According to sky zenit have stated they WILL accept 15 million up front, but we’ve offered 12 million plus 3 in add ons.
yeah steve i don’t for one second try and claim we aren’t and havn’t been playing hardball. But whilst we’ve been fighting hard we’ve still acted in a very professional manner, whereas they’ve used underhand tactic after underhand tactic, released constant conflicting and untrue statements, used the media for their own objectives etc etc
faldo IS universally hated no? in golfing circles
eduardo, try http://www.livefutboll.net
Bit hit and miss, bit like Adebayor.
thank you A, that’s what i thought, god wardo u got our hopes up, were still in the same mess
Darren…..good luck to him. Hope we win it. Its the least that arsehole can do for European golf. Think we’ll leave that one alone now
Kelsey Good Evening.
I don’t agree with your synopsis that we have nothing to play for. We are still fighting on 3 fronts. Nothing is impossible.
But a good point about Gazidis. Isnt an MD meant to lead from the front? Where is his Press statment.? And if Usamov wants to get his feet under the table with the Atrsenal fans, whyy doesn’t he pay AA’s shortfall ?
Wardo
I keep checking, just to be sure.
*disclaimer…when i say “to be sure” i’m not being derogatory to the irish.
Steve, yeah the good old days when him and dein just got together wenger said who and that was it.
the arshavin signing is the most un-arsenal deal ever… big money, big name, all public… its a complete contrast to everything he’s done before
yeah nothing has actually happened aj. I wouldn’t even trust a word coming out of that fat faced transfer gossip specialist’s mouth anyways, he says things that contradict what he said 5 minutes ago anyways. Doesn’t seem to know anything whatsoever, just reports gossip from the internet as if it’s insider news coming from his “sources”
they should fuck this deal off and go pay ac milan 20 mill for gourcuff
now he would be worth it
gourcuff is on loan at bordeaux until the end of the season, we need someone now
alonso
TEARS TEARS TEARS
AJ, when did I get your hopes up mate???
Steve….classic but, I meant the poof bit ;-o
Full name Yoann Gourcuff
Date of birth July 11, 1986 (age 22)
Place of birth Ploemeur, France
Height 1.85 m (6 ft 1 in)
Playing position Attacking Midfielder……this geezah is the one we need
its hard to know whether this is news or not because its all become so complicated and SSN are probably just behind the times.
yesterday Zenit had said Arsenal had agreed to pay 15m (12+3), but they wanted an additional 3m in the form of the loyalty bonus payback from AA.
If they are now say they dont want 18m but 15m is OK then that does change things because our original offer of 12+3 or even 15m stright would be OK without the need for AA to pay back his money. HOWEVER, there is still the issue of the agent who wants his fee. Zenit were going to give some of that additional 3m to the agent but if they drop to 15m, I doubt they will give anything to the agent. So who pays the agent? AA? If he works for the player then yes AA should pay Lachter.
As I said earlier, how much does AA want to play for Arsenal? If he doesn’t want it badly enough then I dont want him here.
Franchise, the figures are unknown.
At the start of the season no one will know where we will finish, and how far we will go in the cups.
The TV revenue will also increase depending on how far we go in the cups
bbk we need someone now!! gourcuff isn’t available until the summer. When we sent senderos on loan to milan i though it’d be in return for first choice in gourcuff, not so sure now with us looking to bring in arshavin
Hi all, I’m doing quite fine on my ” Not-commenting-on-Arshavin ” day .
BBK… he has a 15m euro, buy out clause to…
HAHAHA Wardo, don’t start. I meant as is in piff paff poof, not hankies, tasches and denim rollups.
Whats all this about Gourcuff? Great player he is but doubt we would ever bid realistic money for him.
i think he would be better suited to us then that cunt shaving his arse
yeah at the end of the season the figures are known
Steve – I’ll just hand you the shovel and you start diggin mate……ha ha. Quality……
The shop analogy doesnt work because chocolate bars don’t get paid a salary.
Raddy Ken Friar is MD, Gazidas is Chief executive!
Anyone, where can I get a live feed, I’m in Spain so I’ll wander but just in case.
latest from the skysports web-site…
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4864850,00.html
says they ‘understand zenit will accept a 15m bid’
geoff save yourself the despair m8 and don’t bother watching it
geoff the website i usually get links for just has links for chelsea, man city, and liverpool games, ridiculous!!
it’s a big match, surely it’ll be on somehwere
i realy see vill as any threat to arsenal all the simply dont have the squad and will drop points without dought, i also feel chelsae and liverpool will drop afew points but not mush and although i feel manu might get a few draws they look extremly good from adefensive side 10 games without conceding a goal that is impressive, i feel they have most complete squad and have more depth to there squad than arsenal. i have no dought that arsenal have the ability to go on long winning run and edwardo and wilcatt will be huge plus i just feel arsenal are still short to players in midfield i feel the quality is there but the midfield lacks a bit of depth. and will wenger lack of spending you have to question just how much he has availeble i feel if arsenal lose nasri they in trouble which displays the complete lack of depth and i suprised wenger has not addressed that
Geoff, you’ll find a bar there surely. Are you back for the peronifest Saturday?
try this link PAY MORE MONEY TO ARSENAL TO WATCH THE GAME LIVE ON A BIG SCREEN and don’t expect nothing in return ie new signings…..
does anyone remember the Harry Kewell transfer from Leeds to Liverpool.
the price kept dropping, it was so embarassing.
Then the agent took 25% or something, and the player a similar amount, with Leeds left with small change for at the time, one of their best players.
Luckily for the Prem, and lady luck, he turned crap, and hardly ever played.
11 games w/o conceding leon
Wardo, you are right mate. I’m gonna back door it before anyone notices. Adios.
ooeer “back door it”
you know what i mean.
ha ha….Steve.
C’mon you gooners………
As I said before try http://www.livefutboll.net
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch1.html
Geoff, they have 5 channels, should be on there.
do you have to register Steve?
http://www.football4less.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24624
Geoff. Pedantic Mate … you know what I meant.
So, are you cruising the bars of Southern Spain tonight ? Lucky LAd.
Channel 1 / TVAnts – (English Comms)
Soccer 2 / TVU Player – (English Comms)
Eurosoccer / SopCast (68573, 68574), TVAnts
Setanta US / Sopcast 69470, TVAnts
http://www.mitrovica.ucoz.com/ live-tv-110_E.html
No mate.
Click on the number that is showing the country you want (normally screen 1) and go from there.
All free and available generally. Doesn’t normally show anything until just before the game though.
Good luck Wardo.
I’m off before anyone gets upset. Goodnight gooners.
cheers mate….
Kick off isnt for another 3 hours right? So why are ye posting links already. Wait til its nearly time.
its only cause I don’t have a scooby Stu…….I’ll check this site just before KO
A scooby stu, HEHEHEHE. Simple things please simple minds.
I dont get it?
to the tune of Agadoo (aka the Utd Anderson chant):
ARRRR SHAAAA VIN VIN VIN
HE IS RUSSIAN HE IS QUICK
AR SHA VIN VIN VIN
AND HIS AGENT IS A DICK
SHIMMIES LEFT SHIMMIES RIGHT
HE’LL RUN UP AND DOWN ALL NIGHT
HE SCORES GOALS GOALS GOALS
AND HE SHIIIIIIIIIIIITS ALLLLL OOOOVERRRR SCHOOOLES
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA……………………..
etc.
repeat as and when he signs.
Cheers boys! I will be cruising soon, I’ve already hit the beer, Steve if I’m not banned by then I’ll be there.
Raddy it was a bit pedantic sorry mate!
Rhymes with Scooby Doo…..so…”I don’t have a Scooby Stu mate”…..ha ha. nice one Steve
Fairplay Geoff. I’m going to score some Tuborgs.
Nice Chipo. Hope it’s not premature.
What do you reckon tonight guys
I have had a good day at work and am feeling optimistic.
I dont Everton will put 11 behind the ball and RVP will have a stormer
I think we will sneak it 2-1
Only doubts are if we bow to those who earn more and play Toure and Gallas together and if Song has another shocker and they dominate us in Midfield
Pat I’ve had a beer and don’t think Song or Eboue will play so 3-1 Arsenal.
Put Song in the middle & Eboue on the Wing. We do that we got it in the bag.
i think we’ll steal a 1-0
team will be –
almunia
sagna–djourou–gallas–clichy
eboue–denilson–song–nasri
———–vp–ade
or maybe diaby for eboue. Bendtner to come on and either set up or score the winner late on
i feel arsenal will want strong phsycal presence to guard against there set plays diaby and and delinson in the middle
We are now hearing the returning players /new signings rubbish again .
” they will be like three new signings coming back “. WHAT ?! how can a NEW signing come back Arsene !!!!!!!!!!!!!
He also told the Islington gazzette he would not be bothered if we did,nt make any new signings .
This is now worse than the summer . at least we had some hope then . This is shit
AA would have needed to sign by today for a permit so thats fucked and where any sign of a defensive mid player .
this is a total an utter farce , an embarrasment .
I am now beggining to dislike Wenger . I feel sick .
Fucking pathetic Arsenal . WHY CAN WE NOT FUCKING SIGN ANYONE
i agree about the physical presence but that’s why song will 100% play in the middle leon, not diaby. Diaby might play wide though, or 4-5-1 with vp dropping into midfield. I’m certain song will play though because he’s our strongest midfielder by some distance
Let’s be positive, Everton to get over confident and attack us – 2 goals on the counter! Robin Bang Bang Persie!!
Jules thing is those players will probably not be back until March and I dont even think Cesc and Rosicky will play again this season.
I fucking hate the returning players are like new signings bullshit excuse not to buy
It really fucks me off
AND
what the fuck is Gazidies doing . what have we heard from him ?
Ken Friar is doing all the negotiation with Zenit .
what bollox . even the scum can sign two players in a day without a long embarrasing
pathetic soap opera
I like that chipo can we use it for song if arshavin doesn’t come?
A, conducting business properly with Zenit means taking them to strip joint, buying their directors a few ‘working girls’, getting smashed on vodka, have a drunken bobsleigh tournament in the early Moscow hours….. that kind of thing.
Disarm them and then when they’re all sleepy Friar will get them to sign an agreement. Job done.
Jules, he always says this rubbish, I’m not even thinking about signing new players (even though NewsNow is on my other browser). We just have to hope that the boys do it tonight and get confidence and go on a winning run. We are a great team when we are confident, even with the current crop of players.
BTW – the Squad is
Arsenal (from): Almunia, Sagna, Toure, Gallas, Clichy, Eboue, Denilson, Song, Nasri, Adebayor, Van Persie, Fabianski, Diaby, Vela, Ramsey, Gibbs, Djourou, Bendtner, Wilshere.
No Eddy yet, it would have been nice to see him on the bench, esp after what he did to Everton last season!!
Pat
then another 3 get injured anyway wenger you cock , thats why you need a strong squad , aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhh ,
I am so angry . Fuck buying anymore tickets till I see if some one arrives . I just hope there is stuff going on behind this possible smoke screen .
fuck am I spending any more money in that stadium. £ 7 fish and chips < meal deal !!
12 pins and curry in a hurry all the way .
yes grovers, im out and would LOVE a link to watch tonights game online……
(apologies if its been done – if so, let me know!)
Peace and Love and a Victory for the Gunners
my comments are not coming up
Jules, he always says this rubbish, I’m not even thinking about signing new players (even though NewsNow is on my other browser). We just have to hope that the boys do it tonight and get confidence and go on a winning run. We are a great team when we are confident, even with the current crop of players.
BTW – the Squad is
Arsenal (from): Almunia, Sagna, Toure, Gallas, Clichy, Eboue, Denilson, Song, Nasri, Adebayor, Van Persie, Fabianski, Diaby, Vela, Ramsey, Gibbs, Djourou, Bendtner, Wilshere.
No Eddy yet, it would have been nice to see him on the bench, esp after what he did to Everton last season
well the long post didn’t!
easier to get you links when its near gametime!
Starting to get excited boys. 4 beers own. Cant wait for the game.
No Eddy in the squad, it would have been good to see him on the bench especially after last seasons display against Everton!!
Arsenal (from): Almunia, Sagna, Toure, Gallas, Clichy, Eboue, Denilson, Song, Nasri, Adebayor, Van Persie, Fabianski, Diaby, Vela, Ramsey, Gibbs, Djourou, Bendtner, Wilshere.
No Eddy!
4 beers own. Sorry meant 4 beers down. Its the beer I tell u.
no eddy in the squad
Sparrow you were stuck for some reason mate, I’ll keep my eyes open!
now the posts are coming up, Strange!!!!
So where is the long post Sparrow ?
Cheers Geoff, sorry for the re-posts guys
lewyd it’s only half past 5 you’ll be on the floor by kick off
OK got it………
hey big Raddy, 4 lines is long for me – Especially with a hangover!
What’s wrong with that GM.
And what are you doing on here ? You should be putting on the Gladrags, splashing yourself with Old Spice and getting ready to party !!
I hope Mikel Arteta is not playing!!
He was injured long term at the weekend they said!
he’s 50/50 apparently
be a big bonus if he’s out, though even if he’s on crutches if i was them i’d play with ten men have him hobble on just to deliver set pieces against us!
Apparently he is 50/50 to play now!!
snap
Goonermichael nothing stops me from watching the love of my life play. Certainly not alcohol. Il be up dny worry about that.
Big Raddy
It was a lunch
Seafood platter
12 native oysters
seared scallops
fishcakes
langustines
And a loaf of greek bread.
We are going to get destroyed in midfield tonight.
It is a game for the long ball to Adebayor, and layoffs to the oncoming players. Our best chances will come from RvP’s imagination.
Our defence has to be aware at dead ball situations.
Hate to say it, but Song will be an important player tonight.
If I had 4 beers I’d be on the floor already
Big Raddy dnt hate to say it. He will important. Thats a fact. We have nobody else with a physical presence & we need that.
Sounds splendid GM. I am deeply envious.
My lunch was
2 slices of Danish Rye Bread
A tin of Mackerel
A tomato
A slice of cheese.
2 glasses of Water
A weak instant coffee.
How many years have you served this time round GM ?
I would like to see Wenger break with tradition and put Fabianski in goal tonight,Almunia has it to easy as automatic numer 1, fab gives more authority to the box and the defence seem to have a better understanding with him..But of course it won’t happen
Lewyd. My fear is that he has been slowly improving, and I do not want to see him ‘lost at sea’again.
As you rightly say, we lack his physical presence.
Goonermichael started drinking at 4pm its now 8pm in South Africa. Just had a shower & feeling fresh waiting for the game.
No it won’t Kelsey.
As I said earlier …. there are none so blind as those who will not see…..
Good evening all, Nice post Geoff. I am completely fed up with all the nonsense and shit spin coming out of our club, and I would not be surprised if Arsene was making himself a shed load of money for sticking with our inadequate group of players. Clearly we are not going sign anyone as our returning injured will be like new signings, now where I have i heard that before? Listening to Arsene speak is beginning to make me feel sick. The man has lost the plot imho. Every other club that has any ambition has strengthened, while we do absolutely nothing.
any links ??????
Actually for all the stick he gets,Song’s volleyed goal against fernebache (I think) is a lot better than Eboue has ever done.
The man to watch will be cahill,(we could use him)
7.15 here Lewyd. Nearly two hours to kick-off. I could be in seroious trouble by then. I am already halfway through my first bottle of Red
Raddy the thing is that he is improving. Maybe his confidence is growing.
I’ve seen in the Crystal Ball the following:
1.Kolo finished at the club.
2. *If* Arshavin signs – He’ll be the only one – as that uses the whole years Transfer Fund ( unless players are sold/traded)
3. Highbury Square is draining money.
4. Fiszman to sell to/or Kronke to become chief choncho by next year.
5. Arsene to call it a day & move upstairs within 18mths – with Van Basten & Bergkamp coming in
4 years Raddy
My regard for Song waivers. He has been impressive over the past 2 weeks, but prior to that he was awful.
And being better than EE is no great shakes , is it ?
Same as me GM. This one gets better each passing year.
Raddy Im not a huge fan of him & I really pay alot of attention to him during the games. But his form has been improving so Im trying to stay positive with him.
DG.
If Kolo doesn’t start tonight, you are correct.
AW will be off at the end of his contract.
Me too Lewyd. I support anyone wearing the shirt, and wish them the best.
Even EE, who after the game is over, I slag off all the time.
BR:
My Crystal Ball also shows Arsene is now getting tired & definately feels this is his last contract as he can’t work under the current conditions
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Great post Geoff!
whers pedro
will someone tell me the best site to stream tonights game please?
Pedro’s gone to Goodison Lewdy.
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch1.html
Kirby, they have 5 channels, should be on there.
Zenit are asking for a £15m straight up payment, and we are still negotiating….were talking about the same fee as Benyley went for. We paid £13m for a 26 year old wiltord for fuck sake.
I find it hard to condemn Zenit over all of this, they have been very honest (if a little overly public)….but they know we have a lot of cash in the bank, why should they accept pennies (relatively speaking) for a player who will be one of the best in the league.
As a club we are being ridiculous.
gambon,
why has no one else bid for him.
Incidentally Tomyschuk is available aswell, that is a player we should be looking at. Great attitude.
Kelsey,
Spurs bid £20m for him, Barca bid for him when they thought Henry might be leaving, high praise indeed.
I would imagine smaller clubs have inquired but he inly wants to go to about 10 clubs as he wants a step up.
Diaby has to start tonight, he always seems to do a lot better in away games.
Yes , the Everton defence is mean.. but i fully expect a goal to come our way via a set piece for some obscure reason.
Billy, Adey and Diaby have to use their height to effect.
lineups anyone????
I would guess Almunia, Sagna, Toure, Gallas, Clichy, Eboue, Denilson, Diaby, Nasri, RvP, Adey.
song starts
2-1 the arsenal for me.
No good streams till now……..somebody help…..
Song Diaby & Denilson with Adey up on his own? RvP rested after 90 on sunday?
no song in for eboue, gallas for toure
Truegooner, don’t bother with the streams until the game kicks-off. Most won’t start to stream until then.
Offcourse SONG STARTS
diaby out wide
Arsenal: Almunia, Sagna, Djourou, Gallas, Clichy, Nasri, Denilson, Song Billong, Diaby, Adebayor, Van Persie.
Subs: Fabianski, Toure, Vela, Ramsey, Bendtner, Eboue, Gibbs
gambon,
you are right no arguement, i meant no one is bidding now.During the summer AA was quoted that he wanted to join barca then Spurs, and if this deal does go through,i hope we haven’t got ourselves another mercenary.
No Eboue……superb, Arsenes learning.
Still Song starts, can we please have a line up with both of the clowns left out.
RVP must start against A team like Everton. Rest him against the likes og West Brom.
Song in the Middle
FFS
Diaby on the wing
FFS
Good Starting line up Kingsley
He’s dropped Toure for Gallas…………WTF!
grovers, how can I catch the game online? as there is no other way for me to watch it?
TIA
Agree with Gallas in there ddm, far better CB than Toure.
We need this win so bad.
DDM does that mean Toure is off to city
Sorry guys, going to go against the tide here and suggest Song is not as bad as made out. He does offer the CB’s a lot more protection than any other CM we currently have on our books and with Felliani up against us tonight, we need him.
As I predicted earlier our fucking joke of a manager is playing Song, Diaby and Denilson!!!!! What the fuck is this guy doing! Wenger is officially a cunt in my books now!!
oh yes! the legendary midfield of diaby-denilson-song-nasri…everytime we have this midfield we struggle and normally lose..
gambon – i agree that Gallas is our best CB, but he’s just dropped the vice captain, Toure can’t be happy about this surely??
Stringfellow Hawke – Song is terrible. No doubt about it. He is not good enough to play in the Arsenal colours! He wouldn’t get played at another top 10 EPL team!
Not much choice with Rosicky, Fab, Theo all out injured.
75% of our starting midfield are injured…. quite sure the manager did not ask for this.
hey everyone, having real trouble finding a link for tonights game, any worrking links people
You are right Stringfellow
He is a lot worse than people on here have made out.
I think Denilson will be on the right wing.
I agree with Gallas coming back. Toure was awful against Cardiff.
Song is a waste of a Squad number
Starting link ups confirmed
Denilson and Song in the same midfield again….
Arsene Clearly hasnt learnt anything…..Its time for him to go!
cant see toure staying, he’ll be off in the summer.
His job is to hold the midfield and protect the centre backs and get rid of the ball to a better player asap.
He is not supposed to be a fab type player, for me he did not do much wrong at ninian park.
t.a.i.g…….im starting to feel that way.
Up to yesterday i was highly critical of him.
After reading his guardian article i thought he was a bit of a cunt.
If we drop points 2nite i’ll be mad.
If we drop points and fail to sign what we need id advocate booing, banners and non renewals at the emirates………..i think its the only thing that would scare the hierachy into doing something.
i dunno paulinho, i think diaby will be left nasri right maybe. I’d be surprised if denilson was pushed wide, and diaby in centre. Possibly vp will be dropped back into midfield?
We won’t lose tonight, of that i am totally confident.
Either 0-0 or a 2-1 win.
How does Wenger expect our forwards to get any service out of a midfield like that! Nasri has been thrown in at the deep end playing next to this shit! You simply cannot play Diaby, Denilson and Song in the same midfield when you could be playing Wilshere or Vela. And dont tell me Wilshere is too young! Cesc did it! Rooney dit it. A young Wilshere would do a fuck of a lot better than Song ever would! And as for Vela – fuck me its a no brainer!
ddm, agree you cant make a player VC then drop him.
But lets face it, wenger is making a mess of everything, so no surprise.
right team for tonight, though i would’ve considered eboue rather than diaby, but i guess we want diaby’s height
How is it on a game that we need to win Song and Denilson are playing?
I have more against all three playing at the same time than I do Song individually!
gambon kolo was made vice captain “WHEN HE PLAYS”. Wenger was very specific about that.
well david, because denilson has been our best midfielder comfortably this season, and we need song’s physical presence against everton, pretty simple
A – just another fuck up on Wenger’s part. Its obvious that you dont make a player captain unless he is playing with his team mates when he is fit. Thats just a joke! Give it to RVP 100% of the time while Cesc is out!
on that Iraqi goals thing but can’t find the channel?
help
Stringfellow,
What youve just said songs duties are is correct, problem is he does none of it.
anyone got a decent stream yet?
They are a very physical side, we have no choice but to play the likes of song and diaby.
Wilshere or Vela are a must to start out wide for home games, but against a dirty bastard team like Everton they could get mentally damaged for the long term.
WE are so facked.
A, dont you think thats a bit stupid, making a squad player VC???
Lets make Bischoff captain shall we!!
It was to appease kolo to stay. When kolo plays he’s captain whilst cesc is out. Gallas will leave in the summer and kolo will be a regular against. Until then gallas is a much much better player, and kolo will be happy to wait until the summer. Kolo is the best captain whilst cesc is out, but he’s only going to be picked on his footballing merit, not because he’s captain.
Were are talking about playing strong teenagers! Not 8 year old girls that dont like playing against those big nasty men that pick on them! There is a 17 year old lad that plays for my team and he puts in challenges you wouldn’t believe!
not at all gambon, he’s the most experienced player who has been at the club the longest. He’s obviously the best choice as captain when he’s in the team, but isn’t going to be picked purely because of that
Chill guys, lets wait and see how the game goes.
Always stay postive and lets not behave like fickle spuddies.
We are the Arsenal, we understand form is temporary, CLASS is permanent.
Question the man who has taken us to the heights of Champions League football at the end of the season…. a post mortem should be performed post season
Until then, behave like proper fans and just get behind our club totally.
not on 1,3 or 5?
gunner 8,
it’s not on yet still 20 minutes to kick off
waiting for LiveFooty 6 to kick in.
It will kick in won’t it (as it’s just buffering…..and buffering….)
where is a link?? help!
NO STREAMS will start until just before kick off
kick off is 8pm btw not 745
I know but others have started?
yeh but where on mate?
Lads, whats the team? Dont say Eboue and Song are both starting? Because I heard Diaby and Denilson are playing too.
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch5.html
I think?
eboue on the bench stu, nasri denilson song diaby
iraqgoals.com/en
I’m trying Iraqi tv but not joy, help!
this is the full link, go to it at 8pm
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch1.html
Haven’t got it yet but went here on Sopcast. Bit of a newbie to this though!
http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/wed28.1/Everton_Arsenal.html
hey hey Geoff we are waiting… …it really is a sign of the fucking times that I live 15minutes from the grove, (obsiously I can’t make it to Scotland in 1.5hrs after work) and I have to watch a game on Fox Soccer Channel (part of Murdoch’s Empire) via some Iraqi football website! Even though I fucking pay for Sky and Setanta??? Seriously
Stringfellow. Is that sopcast? Want to get ready for any possibility
This may be good to go in a few mins.
http://www.justin.tv/fltv03
I really am a mug!
It’s on Ch1 1 yeay
see you all at h/t
hat trick!!!
pires – no, its a link via justintv we just uses an embedded media player in the browser window.
G8, it is a fucking disgrace isnt it. Im not in the same boat as you location wise but I got a box in specifically to watch arsenal games and all I can watch is Hull v West Ham. Its a fucking joke!
get a eurovox and stop helping the devil build his empire.
Fuck My Sopcast link died as soon as the game started. big banner saying this channel is offline. Fucking shit
Got that right Gunner8!
I actually have little problem with the team picked. Bar one of Diaby, Song, Denilson in the same midfield we couldnt have put a much stronger team out. This isnt the type of game to just through a young’un in.
Got it. Thanks very much. Fuck, Fellaini’s hair is big tonight!
anyone got a decent smooth stream?
agreed 100%, stu.
yeah i agree stu, i don’t see what else we could have done today, playing any of the kids would have been suicide
I wish he would just fucking score one. How long has it been like and he still hasnt been getting better at them. Worse if anything.
http://sportsonlaptops.blogspot.com/
A,
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch1.html
Pienaar should have got booked for that ‘tackle ‘ on Sagna.
Good start…..
Screeeeeetch is fucking huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge!!
cheers gambon, already had that one though, very jumpy for me, what happened with vps fk earlier?!
Come over here Guys. I have it live on Canal +, and L’pool on Canal 2. Danish commentary, which is better than the shite from the English TV commentators
Pedro and the lads are in fine voice.
wtf was that from ade??? !!
that must have been the worst lay off of all time from ade
What is Ade doing at LW idiot.
Denilson is so shite
A. Let me know if you find a better one as my is jumpy also. better than not watching know.
We could do with a big screech like muthafucker in the middle.
So did you see that? Song gives it away again.
Denilson as a DM? You got to be joking
Good covering DJ
well atleast songs give-away was a little less embarrassing as ade
My damn stream has bloody frozen!!
got a goodun with tvu channel 40409
Ade’s give away was shocking if 4 his very low standards.
We are playing too deep. Come on lads hold a higher line.
Fuck need a stream.
though it’s a few minutes delayed, so i’m off to watch it without letting anyone ruin goals for me!
toodles
If he’s injured then get him off!
it’s fucking down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
Stringfellow, Eurovox?
Whos injured? My stream is a fucking JT!
That’s right boys. Give Cahill a caning !!
lost streams!!! help…where??
O gawd…
That really is a top haircut. from Fellatio
fuck you murdoch!
stream that works?? link??
Geoff Im seeing Song winning headers in the midfield aswell.
stream, please ..please..anyone?
PLEASE GIVE ME A LINK SOMEONE!
Come on Ade. Get a grip man
Fucking come on Arsenal, they are all over us.
Ade needs to come off
They are carving through our Midfield with ease.
http://www.fcfootballblog.com/2009/01/28/everton-vs-arsenal-live-football/
guys please give a link to a stream?!!
http://goonerstreams.com/match.php
works for me
Wow that was shocking…
No surprise there PTG
That TVU 40409 lovely,
Get Vela on the Left, Nasri in the middle and Song in the Mersey
thanks BR, that works for me too!
their fullbacks are getting into it way too much, how can hibbert provide width and clichy cant!
At least Diaby is getting stuck in.
Put Nasri in the middle move diaby to the left & DEnilson to the right.
Sopcast channel 69470
v good stream
Diaby, what a wank tackle!
that was pathetic from ade again
We should put Vieira in the middle with Nasri, and then Ribery on the right and Arshavin on the left.
Oh fuck I forgot
Oh dear Bindippers 1-0 up
Raddy, thank fuck for that stream. I had been on some annoying link that had brazilian news pissing me off.
if that was a real winger instead of denislon, out on the right, that ball from vanP would have resulted in a decent cross
Here’s Sky Charlie Nicholas on the Chelsea-Boro game. “This is rotten. I wish the ref would blow up now. Chelsea are so bland.”
Diaby should be out right because he cant play left and Denilson cant play anywhere except the middle.
fcfootballblog works well
By Gooners for Gooners Stu
Come on Nasri, take on your man.
oh for a decent cross from our fullbacks!
that should have been 1-0 ..songs doing good btw, for all the song haters out there
Full backs can’t cross for shite!
Really Indian
In the game I am watching both Diaby and Song are being ripped apart. They have got a little bit better in the last 10 but they are far from winning the battle
diaby is fucking it up no doubt ..but songs doing alright for me ..winning headers, shielding the ball passing (relatively) early
Another joke of a Ref. How was that a yellow for Sammi ? There have been much worse tackles that have gone unpunished
whats the latest on arshavin?
Gambon thank thank thank you 4 the link finally.
Song is a fucking joke, what is Wenger watching???
I think when the commentator said “And Song gets caught sleeping there” gave it away for me. They are both pants tonight although I agree Diaby has been pantser.
well he went and gave that away just to prove me wrong i guess!!
Wow who needs a stream it’s not worth it…just looked at the match stats as of 40 mins we have had 0 shots .
Again he gives the ball away, it’s not me, is any one watching???
this is trouble, oh god
DJ excellent stuff there
Geoff, your right Song is pathetic.
Stu, Denilson can’t play anywhere.
JD is the man
Why the fuck are we giving away so many poor free kicks? Schoolboys!
yeah geoff i say that one ..i’ll tell you when i think he made a decent play!
Geoff I’m watching I see what you’re saying
goonerstreams is a good link….love it
come on the arsenal
For the love of fucking god Song, we’re playing in red and white you cunt.
and a fucking gain
We have got some good players. Unfortunately most of them aren’t playing.
Ade had been awful this half.
suddenly everyone is pants
What are these fucking Song lovers watching???
Cue rvp picking up a booking now!
seriously fergy or mourinhio would have taken ade off at 30
I must say 80k a week for Adebayor is excellent value
geoff, dont think anyone “loves” song, some (like me) just think he isnt as bad as he’s made out to be, on this site
Fuck me Ade, even i could have stayed onside in that break and im utter shit
Big Raddy what are you talking about who are these good players?
Hey, our first decent move. Shame WG has on the end of it
Indian every time he touches it, it goes to the opposition!
This co-commentator is a cunt.
song was not bad in that half at all, lets not make up things.
stick to facts.
Ade once again thinks he is henry drifting around on the left, when a cross goes in the box ( and its usually a piss poor one) there is no one to get on the end of it
Just a silly joke Metal. But I guess Theo, Fab, Dudu, Mozart.
We should have gotten rid of that twat Ade in the summer. Typical that we make a stand with a crap player like that.
All he’s good for are random headed goals every four months.
Big Raddy nice one that goonerstreams works wonders apart from the IM popping in the background!
Song looking good and Diaby looking like caca
There was one occasion that Billong beat the massive felation to a header shielded the ball brilliantly passed to Diaby who then wasted it!
move Nasri to the right and bring on Vela for Diaby sorted
A point would not be a good result for us tonight. We really need to win this.
Indian, He is that bad, unfortunately Wenger has brainwashed some into thinking that his appearance in an Arsenal Shirt is acceptable.
adebayor is the problem in this team, he offers nowt.
Geoff, to be fair to song, the other three in midfield aint doing any better!
I hate “watching” a game on a stream because i never really see anything. Its just on in front of mer but i notice nothing, and now i’ll have to wait for a replay on TV, unless we dont win in which case i wont watch. ya get me?
Hence my predicament. Hows everyone playing? All i really remember is nothing in attack, Denilson popping up on the right and Ade passing to the linesman. Anything else?
We cant string 3 passes together
Adebayor has been useless for the past 12 months since we beat man city at eastlands, really useless.
Song is bench material at Bolton/Stoke at best.
JD could become a good CB indeed.
OK.
Our crossing was atrocious.
But I thought we were the better of two poor teams.
The defence looks good, not too many problems, tho Fellatio is winning everything in the air.
And RvP looks sharp again
I am sticking to facts, our midfield were cut through with ease for almost 45 mins.
It is not just Song, it is Diaby as well.
we have a 6ft 4 clown up front and no pace anywhere in the final 3rd.
if a goal comes, it will be via RvP genius or a fuck up from the everton defence.
scrappy – got 1-0 written all over it….and probably not to us.
re: song
yes he wouldnt get into our side 4 years ago, or even 2 years ago, or even ahead of flamini ..but in the current squad i think he’s the best we’ve got for DM ..people crowed on about how ramsey would do a better job ..i think we’ve seen thats not the case ..within the given squad the only other thing i could think of is promoting kolo or gallas to DM, though kolo wouldnt win a single header against fellatio out there
yup on a postive, JD/billy looking pretty assured at the back.
Need to get back to the team and formation that has been winning games recently
And it does not include SONG
Fellatio and Cahillingus
Indian, Song isnt the best we’ve got at all, hes just all we’ve got. And even at that I still wouldnt play him. I’d rather Diaby….er, actually no….maybe…nope, there is noone else. Just start with 10.
Indian,
Ramsey hasnt had half the chances Song has, How can u say he has shown he isnt up for it?
song has had far more goes and fucked up far more times yet he still like Almunia gets played even tho they consistantly fuck up!
so you want eboue in that midfield ahead of song, pat?
i’ll agree with gunner8, there was a point when he won the ball, shielded it released it early, ran up-field passed it to nasri who crossed, but the striker (think it was vanP) couldnt get the shot in
stu the tvu link is almost as sharp as watching on tv, and completely smooth – fantastic stream.
half time imo –
ade is the worst player on the pitch,
denilson battling hard but really crap at right mid on the ball, looks completely lost,
diaby usual wayward passes but good battling and drive at times,
song has battled incredibly well, been at least on par with fellaini in terms of their physical battles, and decent on the ball bar a couple of wayward passes
vp has been unable to get involved much
same for nasri
defence been very solid apart from fullbacks can’t kick a ball properly, although they won’t ever be able to
almunia not put a foot wrong
overalll been a real battle of a match, all played in midfield, and i’d say it’s 50/50. No real chances for either side
ramsey is not a DM, he is an offensive player who can put a tackle in.
we have no other option there aside from denilson and song.
Ade’s performance in that half was as bad as I can ever recall from an Arsenal CF.
& I have seen Lee Chapman !!
It’s amazing that in one year we have gone from the slickest passing in the world to not being able to string 3 passes together…
last year Hleb-Fab-Flamini-Rosicky
this year Denilson-Diaby-Song-Nasri
and Wenger thinks this is acceptable?
Why doesnt Wenger just start with Nasri in the middle?
He will wait til we are desperate for a goal to move him into the middle.
We never wrap up games early any more.
Do you guys think that it is club policy for players to pace themself in the first half so they have enough energy later in the game to pounce when the opponent is tired.
There must be something to this because we get outplayed in the first half most games this season.
Indian,
yeah he is our best DM cos he is our only DM. He wouldnt get into 90% of first teams in europes top leagues.
Just got home and about to watch the 2nd half. How did we look thus far?
gunner08 – 50% of last years midfield is injured… is that wengers fault?
http://live-sports-tv.blogspot.com/
just in case…
rob, i think ramsey cant handle the physical nature of the epl as of nw, no doubting he has better technique than song but right now i’d take song, especially against cahill an fellatio..
Song = Awful
Diaby = Terrible
Denilson = Atrocious
Playing all 3 together the same time is just fucking lunacy!
Anyone have a link?
Have you notice the adverts on SS after half time the amount of time on Man U players they’ve just done 1 on Solkjaer and Giggs and I swear 2 god that Co-commentator needs his bollox twisted I can’t understand how I’m the only 1 who gets worked up about it.
Surely we have someone in the reserves that would do a better job at DM than anyone in the first team.
Just want to ask something: Why on earth did Song, Diaby and Denilson get to bypass the reserves and youth system etc, because we bought them pretty young yet they went straight into the first team. Even the passmaster Eboue had to start in the CC before cementing his status in the team.
Surely Bould or Brady would have fucked them out of the club. Maybe that was a condition in their contract that they would avoid being tested.
loads of poistivity here
are we 2-0 down?
Anyone found an English link yet lads
Im fed up of this Russian/Arabic commentary
AM ALSO FED UP OF WHATEVER THE HELL THAT PERFORMANCE WAS
Wheres the pride in the shirt, when Song and Gallas are playing?
Take Ade off for Vela.
Mind you Wenger never makes his subs till 60
But anyway we need some creativity, down the middle with Nasri. If we had Arshavin today it would be a real help. Zenit have lowered price to 15m lump sum.
Shame our 2 billionaires cant cough up 3m
MAKE CHANGES ARSENE!!!
for Pat
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch1.html
what was tha tbox you mention mr. Airwolf?
move nasri into the middle.
Stringfellow, I would rather Pat Rice in that Midfield ahead of Song
Is Vela on the bench? Why the hell won’t he play him? The one time he came on against Bolton we looked much better and much more direct.
wtf Wenger. Your selection is horrible. I don’t care that they have tall players. We need goals. A draw isn’t good enough.
eurobox
Stu- Coquelin is setting the reserves alight, and Jay-Emmanuel Thomas is playing fantastically too.
What is the point of boasting about our best young talent, and then playing the ones that went wrong like Song
imo song has had a very good game, shown his strength, and he’s the reason everton havn’t been able to control the midfield or get any joy in there despite the monster that is fellaini, song has given as good as he’s got
50% of last years midfield is injured… is that wengers fault?
Not his fault they are injured, but it is his fault that we have no depth to cover it.
i agree ramsey isnt a dm, but plenty of ppl bandy his name saying they’d rather see him inplace of song, i wudnt.
Evening grovers!
If they can’t be bothered to try, why should I be bothered to watch?
RVP, Nasri and JD are keepers. The rest throw out.
Ade has always been shit he’s not Henry so he can’t drift out wide just the same way Henry could not stay central Ade is so feak he doesn’t understand the idea of playing 2 your strengths and how is this not been picked up by Wenger or his assistant yes man Pat.
rob coquelin plays right back for the reserves, and jay-emmanuel thomas has made maybe one sub appearance this season
Airwolf it is because he needed to replace Flamini and Rosicky!
Every Fan knew it
ok patthegooner, if thats your honest opinion, i wont ask again for a reasoned argument.
lets not get hysterical… are we sure we are gooners on here or nutcase, fickle fucking spud-u-likes
get behind your fucking club, not against it… we have injuries AND are doin g the best with what is available.
Rob, i mentioned earlier a sopcast channel, cant remember the number. its setanta with english comm.
But Everton have been controlling the midfield A
Coquelin is already better than Song, imho, but he might be too small. Much harder worker though and he could actually tackle from the little I’ve seen of him.
Is that link ini english?
gunner8 – i agree he should have bought for flamini
he tried with inler / yaya but failed.
nasri in for hleb, rosicky was supposed to be fit this season.
A it looks like you have to pay to download TVU through a moblie service? a bit sketchy, no?
wooo happy gilmore is on..better than watching this arsenal performance
That Fellatio sucks, BR.
My Goonerstream hasnt come back after half time. Anyone elses like that or should i look for another fucking stream?
It seems all Wenger knows is flat 4-4-2 why doesnt he play 4-2-3-1 with Nasri behind the strikers?
This is the best formation given the fact that our best players are injured.
It seems he sticks to 4-4-2 he can play his favourite player(Denilson).
Denilson is not a good right mid but yet he is playing. What the hell?
……………..Al………………….
Sagna…..Gallas…Djourou..Clichy
…………..Diaby…..Song…………
RVP………..Nasri………….Vela
……………….Ade………………….
Why not play this?
Nasri’s Talent is so waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssted on the left
A- Coquelin may have been playing RB but he is something else at DM
I am wrong about Thomas though, he has been playing under-18s mainly
COME ON YOU GUNNERS!!!
Cheers Gambon
well the best thing song did is shielding the ball against fellani, was strong there
why are people talking about the dm anyways, in midfield defensively we’ve been very impressive, havn’t allowed everton to get any sort of foothold…. it’s offensively we havn’t had anything to cheer about. If it’s a 0-0 draw and song was in goal people would still find a way to blame him! He’s been fine today.
With all our injuries we aren’t going to be able to hammer teams, so we’ve got to keep it tight, and let our class shine through in the end, which we’ve done every game for a long while, and are doing now.
Mr. Airwolf, we all knew Rosicky would not be back this season! but I have to blame the manager, I am not asking to be like the spuds and link ourselves with everyone, but a freakin signing would be nice
gunner8 . If we had nasri, fab, denilson, rosicky it would be good. problem is that with all the above average players in the same team it brings them down as a whole. remember last year when two out of hleb, fab and rosicky were missing? not good.
The game is so drab! the midfielders are losing the ball a lot to the opposition. Song and Diaby are not in it yet. though song is the better of the two devils. Ade!!! can someone tell me which wing he’s playing????
What channel Chris?
I am not against Stringfellow, but will ignore your comments from now on.
I dont appreciate you posting that I am Fickle
I just post as I see at and see no problem in that.
And I am 100% behind the team, but am not going to say someone is having a blinder when they are not
totally agree, A
i just think some people on here have agendas they wish to pursue regardless of what is happening on the pitch.
i fear for this club, with this breed of supporter.
i do agree that flamini is a huge miss though (but who would have thought that he would have had such an immense year)
Take Ade off 4 Vela move Nasri Central bring on Merida and Gibbs 2 play on the left and RW 4 Denilson and Diaby. Any objections?
pathtegooner – it was not a direct comment to you.
Looks like Totti scored a nice goal from outside the box on his return. Roma won’t be easy
And if Song has a great 2nd half I will give him credit where it is due
rob we’ve never even seen him play there against men, only boys, so we’ve got no idea how good he is there. He isn’t ready to play dm physically.
anyways, im off again
Hhhhhhhhhh (thats a sigh)……has anyone got a working link??
nevermind, I just read it was deflected
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch1.html
Anyone have any updates on Arshavin. Anything new about his wages and such?
FFS denilson just fluffed the best chance of the game
Stringfellow – Get behind the club? Everyone is behind the club but it doesn’t mean they have to be happy with the way things are! 60,000 loyal fans pay the highest season ticket prices for nothing in return. No players. No trophies. No passion. No commitment. No pride.
The fans are behind the club. Its about time the club rewarded them for their loyalty.
Well Said Tony
Just becuase we are critical of the way we are playing, it does not mean we are any less behind it, nor do we have an agenda.
My only Agenda is to hopefully see us competing for Silverware
Diaby really is shit is’nt he?
Tony – i hear you fella, and i agree with a lot of what you post.
but we are in midseason, we did not expect fab,theo and rosicky to all miss half the season through injury, its bad luck.
arshavin is clearly on the radar as a replacement.
Pat, arsene is happy with the squad hes got and his mega bucks contract blah blah blah
Thanks Hawke, i think. Dont know if i can stand anymore of these shit performances.
Whos on the bench? Bring on NIk and Eduardo. Maybe even Eboue or Vela.
Fuck it! Bring them all on (yes I know thats 4)
Tony well said mate.
Eduardo is on the bench?
this is a great game for bender to come on with 20/25 on the clock.
This heading 4 a Bendter Substitution & the winner.
Stringfellow – Yup, injuries cant be predicted. BUT, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and even Villa have big strong squads just in case. This forum in pre-season was full of posts saying we needed to sign 3 or 4 players to get threw the year! And look where we find ourselves. I will always be behind the club – I just hope they give me a few more reasons why I am.
We all want the same thing – Glory restored.
Lewyd, I hope so. I think him and Vela should come on on/before the 70th if things stand.
Everton are just working harder. fucks sake,
Amen to that, tony
Song beaten to the ball again, this time on the edge of the penalty area, not only slow of foot, but slow of mind too…..
who is going to be the first sub?
Must be Vela or Bendtner on a for a midfielder.
Got to be Vela for Diaby and move Nasri central and Vela left
Take Ade off seriously
Sopcast Stu
http://asiaplatetv.com/watch_sopcast.php?id=1342
fuck this
Fucking lovely!!!!!!
Chavski and Liverpool both winning
Tony – our squad is better than Villas and Liverpool
We have constantly have 4 players out all season.
If Liverpool lost Gerrard for the season, they would be down there with Spurs.
Villa, are building a stronger squad, but have only used something like 16 players so far.
oh phuck
oh no wtf is this shit
We need to win this game!!! What the hell!!
The shortest forward on the field. ffs
Fuck
JD mistimed his jump
never have i disliked watching arsenal so much.
dear clichy and sagna, thats how you cross a ball
dear ade, thats what a striker does
The Uefa cup becons!
We all said Cahill would fuck us!
shocking defending to give him that much time to cross…
o for god sake
Oh well, always fancied playing the likes of Skonta Riga in the Intertoto
And no subs yet?
Wenger has fucking lost it. Diaby, Denilson, AND Song in a MUST win game. If that fucker does not sign Arshavin, he needs to go.
great now make a sub Wenger U arragant cunt
Fuck Sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are we title contenders now Cunt Wenger?
Arsenal have 30 mins to save our season
Probably say goodbye to 4th place.
Wenger is an asshole. He will wait until we are in these situations to make changes.
It was clichy he beat, not JD!
I say we put Vela, Bendtner and Eduardo on for Song, Denilson and Diaby. (if thats possible)
Wenger must answer now.
I dont care how much he costs and how much he wants.
Just fucking do it, and get a DM of class whilst you are there.
They calling us toothless
we have passed backwards more than forwards, no creativty, no arsenal-esque flair, no passion. something needs to change. Song in the middle, denilson on the wing? Wtf?
I bet he puts Eboue on!
Fuck this I will never leave work early again to watch this Arsenal team play.
They have created absolutley nothing for the whole game.
He wont he will make up some shit, like they defended better, the ref is a cunt, Song is the man, some lame excuse
lets not get carried away, our season is far from over.
Has anyone come on yet?
It’s like watching the youth team.
I want my money back that i have invested in this shithouse team!
Arsenal, we’re gonna win fuck all, we’re gonna win fuck all, sniff
i would like to call the players somethin a little more than toothless lewdy
Uefa cup here we come.
This makes me want to kill!—–Wenger tho, not anyone innocent
Come on Arsenal,we can still get back in this but come on Arsene, you gotta change it, we are creating zip
Rubbish Mark we are 6 points off 4th and 2 points in front of Everton if this result stands! Like the commentator said, they didnt build the Emirates to play in the UEFA cup!
Wenger needs to go. Where the fuck is his reaction to going 1-0 down in a must win?
FFS make Primorac manager and get rid of this arrogant french twat
No Geoff, thats not fair. The youth teams play football better than these twunts!
You mean Arsene Wenger spends 98% of his time….and 2% on transfers….98% on this shite.
Elvis has left the building…..
This WILL get worse!
this is how it should have started Diaby for Merida Vela on the left Nasri in the Centre Vela on the left VP on the right and Ade centre in a 4-3-3 and he should have tried 2 sign a top class DM now look where we are.
“i am very proud of my young team”
“spending money isnt always the answer”
“i see these players everyday and they have super super quality”
sagna at fault for the goal, poor. Ade and diaby need to come off for bendtner and vela
WHy the fuck would Wneger want to play Denilson right wing?
That is even worse than playing Eboue there.
Get Bendter and Vela on now. He is still waiting WTF?
Its getting worse by the second
arsenal owe me a new pair of glasses-just snapped them in anger and frustration
what on earth has happened to the team we all love?this year we have been nothing short of disgraceful-horrible way to conceed and very little drive now that we have conceeded
not happy
No wonder Arteta doesnt want to leave them for us.
React Wenger you stubborn arrogant cunt!!! make some subs
At least Liverpool are drawing now. Mido Pen.
at least Wigan have scored
LOL…was that suppose to be a counter?
I’ve got a fucking virus
Eboue is much better at RW than Denilson.
Where are the subs Wenger? You fucking cunt
we haven’t lost yet.
plenty of time.
even if we are 6 points behind, all of the other teams wil drop points, we need to make sure we drop fewer than Chelsea, Liverpool and Villa.
Chelsea are playing Liverpool at the weekend, so if we beat West Ham, we will be closer to one of them, if not both.
ive seriously had it now..dont care if we get arshavin or not, what can he do anyway…we wont be winning anything this year and will most likely be scrapping for 5th place with everton…how the fuck has it come to this
This is like watching kids play! Just hoofing the ball into touch!
lets get some perspective here, they scored with their first attempt, because of sagna not closing down baines. We’ve been solid up to that point, but created nothing and not been able to hold the ball up because adebayor has given it away every time it’s got near him, and denilson is poor wide right.
nothing to do with this performance is down to song
wigan just got a goal.
if they can do it so we can we.
A draw is a disaster…so wtf do you call a loss?
Wenger must fuck off now.
commentator ‘their passing has been abysmal’ – the one thing that we still had..taken away as well
we havent finished outside of the top 4 since 96′!
So what do we do? Bring on Eboue! Oh yeah we are going for the win!
Lol why is he putting on Eboue?
This is a joke
Well there you have it Eboue to tha mothafuckin rescue
HAHAHAHAH Eboue at right back. Hes a fucking midfielder.
what the fuck?? EBoue??
Why not fucking Vela?
I hate Wenger. I fucking do.
eboue…?
Eboue!! what the fuck
I can’t fucking watch this, Song off yes, Eboue on…what the fuck, is Wenger more stupid than I thought he was before the game started???
Eboue on what?!?!?! where’s Vela!!!
“Un-Arsenal-Like” Performance!! No it is the usual matey
So whats the midfield now? Diaby, Denilson Nasri and Bendtner. Superb!
A, the results you get are a derivative of the quality of your players, therefore song (as well as the others) is to blame for our season in general.
Nasri is not even in the game.
Wenger you idiot…..you say he plays better in the middle…
Get Nasri in the fucking middle.
Wenger has officially lost it.
LOL @ sparrow.
Dead right mate
WEll we have played like shite before…but this???
Nasri is rarely ever in in an away game. He’ll never make an impact like Hleb did pretty much every game last season.
I bet he brings vela on in about the 87th min
Seriously Wenger has 2 go at the end of the season if this shit continues.
Take Diaby off before he gets sent off.
If we dont buy 3-4 players in the next 5 days…its clear that Arsene and the board dont have any ambition wotsover…and Nasri is fucked again.
hi guys just got back, from the jist im getting…its not looking good…is it that bad?????
We played like this last season at Goodison. Don’t kid yourselves. We scored 2 quick goals by hoofing it to Eduardo. We were shit but had a quality finisher on.
Take off that cunt Diaby
Ok Nasri looks hurt..get Vela on.
Wenger is a fucking cunt. I hate looking at his face
No Maciek, its worse than that.
Hibbert should have gotten a red for that.
He wont get fired because he makes the club money!
But funny how Arsenal dont pay dividends, that would be ok if they bought players but they dont do that so where does that extra money go?
Oh!! Eboue & songs Wages!
Still think we’ll get a draw, unfortunately i think that leaves us as outsiders for 4th.
even if we do go onto lose this David, he is too stubborn to buy his way out of trouble.
Remember when we only have 5 games left, Cesc will be returning and that will be like a new signing
Djourou isn’t comfortable with Gallas playing
We facking miss Cesc its true.
Wigan hit the post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Liverpool lucky again.
Pool drew. Another wasted opportunity when we lose this!
Come on Arsene change the shape and get vela on
We can still do this, Get Nasri in the middle!!!!!
Cesc wouldn’t help. He was shit like everyone else. He was actually the worse if we judge him by his standards.
Told you all last week, a straight fight with Everton for 5th, and you all took the piss out of me !!
Bring on Vela FFS
What has happened to my beloved Arsenal
Does Wenger NOT fucking learn ffs?
Everytime he moves Nasri middle, we improve. I fucking hate this guy.
Off-fuckng-side from a kick out. That takes a special kind of dickhead to achieve that.
Wenger should go I’m afraid, he is clueless.
ROFL…WoW….that was almost 2-0
wow, Liverpool nearly lost the game at the death there, they drew, so if they lose against Chelsea, and we beat West Ham at home, we are back in the race.
there gonna score again!
Liverpool have drawn. Come on Arsene
this is pathetic, it really is, we dont even deserve champions league football
stop kicking long to ade for fucks sake
Back in the Race for what Mark C?
take that shit Ade off bring on Vela
i cant be assed with this shite from wenger anymore, i cant take it..i wonder what his shitty excuse will be this time….on arshavin ‘No, nothing..buying is not always the answer’..on the game..’i thought we were solid but our passing was not quite on today’..’i believe in this team, they have super quality’..wanker
Everton have clearly been the better side. But we seriously need to score…like right now.
This just hurts so fucking much
so out of 12 teams playing tonight, only arsenal, hull and boro fail to score…..shocking that we’re in the same sentence as these teams….
Wenger needs to go…Buttom Line.
the piss taking thing is, we got a transfer window right now and nothing is happening
fucking crab walk. Bring on Vela.
C’MOOOONNNNNNNNNNN FUCKING SCORE YOU CUNTS!!
salvage some pride arsenal, fucking come on.
I’s devloping a genuine and deep hatred 4 Arsene Wenger.
face facts the team is bolloxed
Why the fuck is Vela not on
Hope he broke his fucking metetarsal
You just knew we were facked before the game even started.
Bring on Vela bring on Vela cunt
We should kick Wenger in the balls and teeth and see how he likes it because thats what he is doing to us and the club.
we are going to finish in the uefa cup if we lucky, its like bayern munchen and ac milan big clubs losing out.
but the ting is like bayern they did something about it, they spent the money and now they are ok again.
can u see wenger doing what bayern did?
no way, we will struggle, face it guys, we are doomed
whose fault was the goal?
fix up gunners
Sigh……….. This is shithouse, i cant believe the amount of money ive spent on this cunt team in merchandise, Pay TV, all shit like that. Take time from running my business to watch shit like this! Im sending Arsenal an Invoice!
Its obvious Wenger does not believe in Vela as much as he says.
And Again I dont think Nasri will ever perform his best on the left.
What was it today?
-The pitch
-The ref
-The conditions
-The players
No, no, no, and no. Its fucking Wenger and it always has been.
GunnerShabz….your spot on…Wenger spends 2% of his time on transfers….and 98% of his time on this shite.
Have we even created a chance all game??? NO! I FACKING TELL YOU WHY!
ITS BECAUSE WE HAVE ALWAYS LOST WITH DENILSONG PLAYIN IN MIDFIELD!
guys i said earlier, i knew we would lose this one, and a cahill header as well…
so predicatble
fuck this shit
I cant watch anymore,I think you can fall out of love
with your team,just like a woman and right now i’m off to Relate.
eufa cup hehe we come thanks wenger you cunt
David
honest, i cant see anything changing???
i cant even see what arshavin will do to this team, honest
teams look forward playing against us…
can u say everton will look forward to playing man utd
So…
Wenger’s clearly an incompetent idiot.
I hope the cunt gets fired.
this game has summed up arsenal this season…AWFUL midfield with no creativity..stupid lax goal conceded IN THE AIR!..
it’s not suprising really though. And I’ve got a fucking virus fom one of the streams
here
3 minutes to save our season
I guess its see ya later Cesc thanks for the service for 6 years!
we aint giving tim howard a torrid time… he has done nothing!!!!
wenger please do something??
Who’s going on Saturday, the natives are certainly restless so it’ll be interesting how the crowd reacts to this sh!te state we find ourselves in???
Isnt this just peachy. Thsi is worse than watching Derby!
we may not even get uefa
vela must not be fit, and Wenger does not rate the others.
shame really because Gibbs could have played on the left, with Nasri central.
We need wide players.
Traore you club is calling you.
intertoto cup anyone?
YUYEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
YESS!!!!!!!!!
The whole crowd should boo for the whole fucking game! Or at least every minute up to kick off.
Yessssssssssssssss
Van persie saved us
any players wanting to leave at the end of the season as were not in the CL can think again..unless of course its eboue, song or adebayor they can all fuck off right now..its their underperforming that has got us in this, that and wenger being a complete cunt..
RVP is the fucking man. Wenger is a cunt
no fucking way
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
wenger resign now and take tour love childs with u
WENGER YOUR AN ARROGANT TWAT ,TAKE YOUR FAILED EXPIREMENT AND FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!
YOU WERE ONCE A GREAT FORWARD Thinking Manger Now your clueless ,lost and outcoached in nearly evry game
go now..
he could have just saved our premier league season. van persie. i love u. wenger, sort it fuckin out.
U BEAUTY RVP
your
You lucky, lucky cunt Wenger.
Im not even bothering to celebrate.
Too little too late. We are still shit.
Thank god for Robin Van Persie
Thats our only matchwinner. Howard should have saved and I would have been all over Almunia if he let that in
Guess What???
We Score When Song is not On!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What does that tell you WENGER???????
what has happened???
is my streaming slow
Again, going back to what I said earlier – there is only one man worth anything in this team!
Dont really matter, 5 points is too much more than likely.
RVP has scored or assisted every goal in 2009 for AFC.
FACT
RVP….my gawd…shinning light in a pool of absolute shite.
great goal…but we were absymal
shockingly bad
Has Wenger realised that Nasri did not not beat a a man for the whole game on the left?
Get fucking Nasri in the middle you idiot Arsene.
Van persie rescued a point but we needed a win you fool.
If he’s smart he’ll sign arshavin and 4 more players.
honestly last 10mins and no Vela???
Thank fuck for RVP, oh and excellent assist from Diaby, peach of a pass
otherwise we were completly toothless, AGAIN!
Wenger why are you so blind when we all can see?
booooooo, stil don’t care, we suck
Noone here can actually be satisfied with that shit can they????
Im still fucked off over that. At least if we lost Wenger wouldnt have had any excuses. Now he will say we were almost there.
A point is better than none but still worthless.
Well we didnt deserve that point but I will take it
A fucking atrocious performance and tactically shit management. Wenger dont you even dare to take any positive out of that performance, it was fucking awful, and dont you dare use it as an excuse not to spend as we were truly shocking
shit! end of story
Simon, Wenger doesn’t get outcoached. Only problem I have with him is that he doesn’t sign players and his selections have been horrible this season.
If any team wants to play us full on, attacking, we could beat anyone even with these shit players like Song, Denilson, and Diaby.
VP thank U Wenger fuck off it’s time 2 go U arrogant cunt this pathtic experiement is damaging my mental health U cunt
Wenger is still a fucking cunt. Song, Diaby, Denilson & Eboue are still fucking shit and we still have a long way to go to try and get 4th if we play like that!
If we can beat the rest of the big four we have a chance
as i reckon astonvilla will not win any of those games
were shit and we know we are!
RVP is certainly world class, he needs better around him.
What a shit game, ref gave them fucking everything, it’s all a fucking fix, Everton are so fucking shit it’s shocking, what a fucking talentless team bar Cahill’s jumping ability, Arteta ? Fellaini ? Fucking shit..
I am actually boiling over Stu, I am fucking fuming with that performance.
Ja, Nasri had two players on him every time he got the ball minimum sometimes three! that is because the others do not stretch the defence, Ade wasted another 80k
Wenger you are not the man we need any more, RVP just saved your arse and your stupid team selections and player movements, you have to spend or fuck off back to japan.
Im asking for Wenger to be hung…We all know a Denilsong midfield is a fuck all midfield…
What are we celebrating
A point?
ptg, I thought both teams were shit going forward. Only looked like Everton created more because we opened up a lot.
I think draw is fair. We were shit, but Everton weren’t much better.
well, i can see wenger bull shit
“we stuck at it until the last min, am proud of our spirit”
If we fucking play like what ? Who the fuck thought Everton were actually going to come out and give us a game ? I bet half of you lot thought we’d fucking lose, the away fans are the best fucking thing about this club, Pedro if he went is a fucking don..
shit performance from a shit team and a clueless cunt of a manager
Fuck off back to japan? LOL
Glad we are all adults on here.
Pat Wenger doesn’t get out coached so when he needs 2 make a sub or make big calls those he make em?
Metronome – you think that is possible when Wenger starts Song, Diaby & Denilson together and then brings on Eboue?
RVP top man again.
with liverpool only drawing we could still pip them for 4th – only cos they seem to be as crap as we are………
We got out of jail with the only decent bit of football we played all night!
It was a poor team performance, although there was zero service to the front 2, but some of the team were dire and some never got in the game. AW needed to move Nasri inside last 10 at least. Eboue for Sagna? Unless he was injured.
It keeps the run going and we need to stay in touch with the top 4 and try to get some class and craft back in our play to go with the doggedness we seem to have developed a bit of late.
And I do honestly believe that the FA want Villa to take 4th spot.
Adults ? You’re looking for adults in the wrong fucking place.. Heh..
I dont care about Everton Pat
if anything given Everton’s performance it shows it was a game for the taking.
But we need to start getting some form soon. I know we won the last few but we were still struggling to create. We need fresh blood and we need it now.
So fucking wenger..we are 1 or 2 % away from dominating this league…we can still win the title…you are talking out of your arse, you have lost it…I have had enough of this fucking experiment….drop it or fuck off!
We have had all of january to get AA, he would give us options both sides of the park with nasri..
lol
Keyser – They may have been shit but the played us off the park from what I could see!
Wenger is always out coached… …if all the bloggers can pick his team for him then you know rival managers are fucking laughing!
Anyway night all
adebayor didnt give a fuck
honestly, we just industrial players like flamini in this team, a box to box mental fucker like gatusso.
We didn’t get out of jail, that was fucking deserved, Everton deserved fuck all from that performance what a fucking dull team, bunch of fucking pussies, Hibbert what a fucking shite cunt should have been sent off but because he’s not a fucking foreigner he gets to do what the fuck he wants..
honest this summer sell
adebayor
song
eboue
bendtner
gallas
am sure we can raise £40m there
Whneed is a new board, new manager, new players etc etc etc etc etc etc etc the list goes on and on.
the dude, Liverpool played very well today. They’re not going to drop that much.
Gunner8, its not hard to predict our lineup with so many injuries in a thin squad. Think before you speak. That has nothing to do with coaching. I’m fucking sick of Wenger and his arrogance, but who else is he supposed to choose besides Vela?
Ramsey? Hell fucking no. He’d be even worse.
not sure if japan would accept him….how about Djibouti??? lol
fucking midfield of Diaby denilson and that cunt song is now officially the worst i have seen it joins the selley, hillier, helder, midfield
ANYONE CARE TO TELL ME THAT WE DONT NEED ARSHAVIN .
this club without theo has no pace or width how criminal that wenger has allowed this to happen .
we have had in my lifetime
armstrong
marwood
limpar
overmars
pires
now know one
WELL I HOPE THE BOARD ARE HAPPY WATCHING SHIT LIKE THIS ,we are disgusted, players in that midfield are not fit to wear that shirt….
ha some people here are hilarious. a draw away at everton isn’t a disaster, pretty flat performance, but nothing less than would’ve expected.
game plan up to the goal exactly what we needed to do, try and keep it tight, and we’d get a goal in the end, all fucked up when everton scored from their only chance of the game because of sagna not bothering to try and close down. Still, a draw isn’t that big a deal, 5/6 points at this stage of the season is nothing, though the 11 points to utd is un-catchable now unless there’s a miracle, i’m not worried about 4th place at all.
Played us off the park ? Thats a fucking joke, it’s not rugby, they can’t play football for shit, what a fucking depressingly dull team.
They’re at fucking home and they could barely muster anything, we should have been given the game before it begun, talentless scouse cunts.
fuck sakes..i dont care if we got A point, now wenger will go on about us going on until the end and all that shit
What Shabz. Bendtner was a bright spark when he came on. At least he tries to do something right.
keyser we didnt deserve shit in denial like wenger!!
Resign Wenger. I’m sick of complacency, excuses, no signings, poor selection.
Injuries aren’t your fault
NOT SIGNING PLAYERS TO MAKE UP FOR A LACK OF DEPTH DEFINITELY IS
We need a manager who wants to win silverware then balance the books not the other way round.
When he winges off the pitch, the players slacken a bit on the pitch. He is blind to the problems that are right in front of him.
Step down at the end of the season, become head of youth development, be loved and remembered by the fans for all the good things you have done, not helping us lose all ambition, finish 5th and become a mediocre team
Midfield in 2003/4:
Ljungberg Viera Edu/Fab/Parlour Pires
Midfield today:
Denilson Song Diaby Nasri
you think we have problems?
check out liverpool, they have spent over 200m over the last 4 seasons…. and?
what they got?
one thing i will say- no idea how ade and diaby stayed on the pitch, although my shock at diaby staying on the pitch was shown to be stupidity with the ball for vp. Ade though- truly horrific performance
Thank God for RVP…THank you God.
Pat – its not hard to predict but who’s fault is that? Wenger needed to strengthen the squad at the start of the season, let a lone now!
Forget what Everton deserved Keyser
It is about what we deserved, and we are lucky to get a point. We are not going to get 4th if this erratic form continues.
If we dont strenghten I dont believe we have the ammo to get back in it. We cant just bank on Villa running out of luck
Liverpool have won the CL…twice. SOmething we havent done once.
hardly worth celebrating – we needed a win from this one…i hope AW doesn’t come out saying we’re still in the title hunt, b/c we’re really not.
We’re now 5 pts out of 4th…not unsurmountable, but we really lost out on 2pts tonight. sure we got at least 1pt, but we needed 3.
Bendtner well he should be sold well we got the chance to get something for him
kirby – What are you on about ? Did you see the goal ?!
Everton played us off the park ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.. fuck me..
To be honest, I think we have more chance of catching Liverpool than Villa
won the CL, twice?
oh dear.
Liverpool have won the CL 5 or 6 times David…not that i think much of them though…lucky bunch of cunts.
why the the fuck does almunia keep booting it long, we used to pass and use pace now we are like fat sams bolton
how are we lucky to get a point pat?! a point was 100% the right result, very tight game with few chances, big battle in midfield with noone coming out on top.
No Keyser, its no joke. Everton played better than us for large parts.
The joke is the current state of the club and everything that goes with it!
everton were woeful
1-1 was totally the fairest result.
98% of his time on this shite…..???
Wot the fuk is he doing?
Totti goal and assist on his 1st game back
patthegooner – bollocks pat, lucky ? Did you see the goal ? Where was the luck in that ?!
Erratic form ? They got two draws against Liverpool away from home, Chelsea drew at Goodison, United drew there ?, and we got a point..
How the fuck do we allow clichy to pick up tim cahill for their goal…has he not been watching their last games ffs. He is arrogant, I believe from what he says he has stopped doing his homework on sides. If this keeps up I am keeping my £1800 next season PHW to stop you giving to the likes of song, eboue, denilson…bollox
guys
honestly
we have gone so shit in midfield we looking at midfield of aston villa, everton, and most of them can get into our side and tells us something
barry, p neville, young, arteta, pineer, fellani
back a few years, we did not even look at these guys
Shit players and shit manager – who’s surprised that we put in a shit performance?
Pat there’s Fran Merida who was superb against Stoke (reserves) but because Diaby’s French Wenger just has 2 go with him than there’s Nasri who U move 2 the centre alongside Merida than there’s Vela he could move him on the left in a 4-3-3 but of course we don’t have a top class DM so what does Wenger do he play’s Song or Denilson……. my patience with Wenger has disintegrated completely there is no coming back 4 this cunt.
Do you think Pedro celebrated RvP equalising?
His match report should be interesting.
patthegooner – Since you’re a nice chap, I’m sorry, didn’t mean bollocks, replace that for a more sophisticated response.
Airwolf are you still around?
Is it 5 or 6?
oh dear indeed. I did not know that.
So yes. Wenger can fuck off with his experiment and try it on some twat team in French league 1
I would not say it was as far as playing us off the park, but they won the midfield battle and created more chances. I personally think they deserved to win. We created one chance and scored from it.
RVP is impressing me though and I am not his biggest fan, and that goal equalled his best tally in an Arsenal shirt so well done RVP
Apart from that, I am struggling to pick out any positives from the game.
MG, Merida would get murdered in the PL!
Fuck Wenger and his french-ness. He started 5 frenchmen, none of whom did anything apart from 1 good pass by Diaby.
Stu – Everton played cack, they were after a draw from the start, last season they actually tried to attack us, this season they could have forfeited the match for a point and they would have been more than happy.
Hibbert the cunt should have been sent off, all of them are a bunch of cunts.
looked at the eurobox thing, what’s the low down?
if you have basic do you recieve all the channels?
so you recieve foreign channels?
does it get pinged?
4 Euro cups and 1 champs lge, not that it really matters.
A, thats called blind faith. Villa have outscored us over 23 games yet with a very similar run in were gonna suddenly pull out 6 points on them.
Check the bookies odds tomorrow, thatll tell you about our chances for 4th.
Keyser that is ok,
The goal was world class, I cant argue with that. And it was a goal that deserves to win any game.
If we could just find the ammo to feed RVP more often we might not be in the position we are in.
David, he already tried his experiment at Monaco. Won them the league, started experimenting and made them a midtable team and was fucked off to Japan.
Stu – his frenchness ? Maybe he should have started white english defenders because their better ?!
we 6 days to get any transfers and apparently wenger says they aint close to anyone
so i guess, guys we going to finish 6th
honest, u might as well put money on it, watching tonight
everton look more hungrier then us
Pedro definately celebrated, who wouldn’t. Its a last minute goal and those always feel good at the moment. We needed a win, but we were shit.
was an ok result, if we continue beating the crap teams, drawing away against the better teams, we’ll be fine.
if we keep going like we’ve been playing we’ll win every game until 18th april, and hopefully have some momentum and players back by then so can give liverpool a hiding too
We rely on nasri and he gets marked out of it as we have no threat from the right with the options of denilson, eboue to bendtner playing there.
He puts ramsey in when going to the hot bed of his old club, complete mistake…he could still have played ramsey, vela or jack out there tonight and we would have got all three points IMO but no denilson, eboue, song all get calle don first…it is a joke
Pat – we didn’t create any chances b/c our midfield is utter shite…i reckon the midfield battle was fairly even. I would even say that we had the upper hand from the first half. They just lack creativity. Diaby/Song/Denilson are too similar.
Stu – His experiment in Monaco ? So how far have you looked into that ? Do you remember any of the players that went through that club at the time he was there ?!
Thats a bit racist isnt it Keyser?
And what I meant by the eratic form is our performance levels. Please tell me you are not happy with the performance to night.
Nope Keyser, sure dont!
Forgetting who deserved what tonight, there are massive problems! No one can be happy with players like Song, Denilson, Diaby and Eboue. Why would anyone settle for that level of quality? Why shouldn’t we want the Vieira type figures back in the team? People say we are unlucky with injuries? That’s Wenger’s fault! Our squad was 4 players short last year and then we sold 4 or 5 more and brought in 2. Everyone gets injuries that’s why you have a squad. Also, who here honestly thinks bringing on Eboue was the right move tonight? Of course it wasn’t! What is the man thinking!
Draw was a the fair result but I don’t think anyone of the bench could have made a difference in that match. Everton are a very resolute side, even manure struggled there earlier in the season.
But I agree we needed 3 points tonite
A – it wasn’t an ok result – we needed to win it.
Seaman Henry Pires Bergkamp Vierra Lunghberg
Almunia Adebayor Diaby Song Eboue Denilson
Nuff said
gambon look at our fixtures, we’ll be fine. and villa havn’t outscored us, we’ve had as bad a half of a season as we’ve had under wenger, and villa have only managed to score the same number of goals as us, and they’ve had their best half a season in decades
patthegooner – They didn’t win in the middle, their best chance came from that cross they scored from apart from that they played five across the middle and a midfielder up front, they are a joke of a team, they played for the draw from the start.
We deserved at least a draw, can you imagine us playing like that at home ? You’d have a placard outside the Emirates.
Stu – You’re words mate..
In a vacuum a draw at goodison is good, but in our position it is a disaster.
the difference tonight
was
aston villa won at everton 3-2
we drew 1-1
villa and everton are more hungry then our players
Paul – thank fuck someone else is on my wave length, I thought I was going mad!
A,sorry fellow a draw against a team with no recognised strikers is a disgrace , we are supposed to take teams on out pass and out think them , wenger has let this happen the midfield is cumbersome ,predictable and slow .
Pat take a look at the goals we have conceaded this season , tell me that the majority cannot be sorted on the training ground
RICE ,BORAC, ARE the new CONEMEN of ARSENAL,
i can just see them (doing a phil neal) YES BOSS,YES BOSS,
Dont call the reaction to this game a panic ,how can the naturally quick and talented VELA WHO PLAYS FOR HIS COUNTRY’S FULL SIDE NOT GET A LOOK IN , with his pace give him 30 mins on the left he would have pushed the everton defence back
T.T another lazy cant be arsed display , glad we payed him his new £80,000 Contract.
Bringing on Eboue for Sagna was the right decision in my eyes he is, after all, a more attacking full back than laSagna
1st, beat at home, 2nd drew at home, 3rd drew away, 4th beat away, 6th beat at home, drew away. Bar the loss at home to Villa that is title form.
Shame about the other results, lol
Geoff,
Yet another piss poor performance, we did nothing and I agree that RVP has saved us.
I’ve lost all faith in Wenger this year, I can’t add anything that hasn’t already been said by my fellow gooners.
At this rate we will not finish in the top 4 and in fairness we don’t deserve it! We are a very average side at the moment and the inclusion of Song, Denilson, Eboue or Diaby does nothing to convince me otherwise.
Wenger should go, we need a change. At worst lets get some younger ex gooners in the backroom to kick arse and add some new ideas as it’s gone stale.
Not sure buying Arshavin will make any difference as Wenger is bound to put him on the bench til the 98th minute. Clueless!!!!!
if we wanted to win the league we needed to win it helsinki, i’ve given up any hope of that. I was never overly optimistic about that happening though, it was a decent result, a draw away against the 6th best team in the league, 3rd best team in the league on current form, is an ok result!
5/6 points at this stage of the season, behind an average team like villa, and with our upcoming fixtures is nothing at all
Wtf.. I just saw Liverpool drew aswell.. I didn’t even know that..
Keyser – I can remember cursing Wenger for playing 5 across the middle at the Emirates many a time!
As ever we disagree again Keyser.
I dont think we deserved anything from the game.
But I am happy for RVP. A brilliant finish.
A i meant outscored us in points. Anyone that thinks we are ‘fine’ for 4th has no logic or objectivity to their thinking.
We arent good enough to just go and win every game until Apr 18th, we havent been since late 2007.
Wenger must really bow out, it is just criminal the players he puts out? always the same his favrites all the time… …I can’t take it and am really starting to loose it at games! the club can kiss the 5k I spend a year on tickets goodbye as well
fuck it with a red membership I will save a shitload
Stu – Actually I take it back, it’s not the time or place, just a bit vexed, I actually read through all the bollox being spouted today, even for this site it was depressing.
PTG…I am a RVP fan personally…his control and finishing can be lethal. He is finally getting a run of games and starting to show his class.
i can see why hleb went, he jumped ship as soon as flamini left
i want to know exactly why flamini left?? how much was it a week extra he wanted??
Zorro U mean like the way we got murdered with that midfield today no creativity the answer is Merida he’s a better passer than Diaby and Song put together how would he get murdered if his job would be 2 help create chances?
in fact i think we’ll finish 3rd, be very close between villa and liverpool for 4th, liverpool have some very tough matches coming up
tonyadamsisgod – What’s you’re point ? We actually attacked, against United with only Bendtner up front and 3 first choice strikers out we had easily as many chances as them.
Agreed Keyser, we’ll leave it for another day.
I dont even know where to start on Wengers post match interview., Heard nothing I liked.
guess you’re gone then stringfellow… ..tried looking it up but apart from sales there is not too much info
Keyser don’t bring race into its unnecessary.
Wenger saying not looking to buy or sell anybody
MG, I like Merida, I just think that when you see older bigger players like Song and Diaby not standing up and being counted, what chance would Fran have. A few years too soon for him imo. He will take over when Fab4 leaves for Barca in a few seasons.
shabz i would’nt have picked flamini against everton, massively overrated
gambon anyone who thinks villa will come 4th has no logical analysis whatsoever. Look at our fixtures, if we keep on our current form we’ll win every single game until the 18th april when we play liverpool. villa in that period have to play liverpool, chelsea, and city away should be a very hard game for them too.
Shabz, I think Villa were worse than us against Everton! They had 3 shots, 3 goals.
2 of those goals:
Jagielka backpass gone horribly wrong.
Lescott was replicating the Senderos-Drogba matchup with Young in the 94th minute.
I still can’t believe Villa won that shit
pattheGooner – In the last week, Everton have done that to Liverpool twice, they’ve drawn with Chelsea at home this season and I think United aswell, it took a goal in the last few seconds for Villa to win and without half the players we have out.
Away at Goodison with a team hell bent on a draw, we deserved at least a draw from that.
I haven’t seen the Hibbert challenge again but it looked nasty.
Hey Keyser
The elatation or depression of the posts will only reflect what is happening on the field. You cant expect people to post happy thoughts when they watch a performance like that.
For me that was one of our worst performances of the season and at a time when we needed to step up to the plate.
The next 5 days are massive.
lets look at man utds team
wes brown ferdinand vidic evra
ronaldo carrick anderson giggs
rooney berbatov
and then ours
we are complete shit
WELL WELL the same shit from the post match press conference
KEYSER IF YOU THINK THAT I SPEAK BOLLOX THATS YOUR OPINION AS A FAN OF 38 years I Give you mine.
Keyser – “apart from that they played five across the middle and a midfielder up front, they are a joke of a team, they played for the draw from the start.”
Just sounded like you thought that 5 in the middle meant playing for a draw. My mistake.
wenger said on ssn we have injured players coming back which will be like new signings what a cretin
It is not the draw that bothers me Keyser it is the performance.
Metal Gear – I didn’t bring Nationality into it, and I’ve already said move on.
And yes the Hibbert challenge was not the best. but we have be on the wrong end of refs decisions all season.
Pat
the thing is everton and aston villa are shit, but they have good balance and determination
we dont have a good balance at all
that has to be enough. Wenger must go
But Keyser, in all fairness, our rivals may have drawn to Everton but they beat Hull, Fulham, Stoke, all the teams we have stupidly lost too. And im sure you wont disagree that thats unacceptable.
Simon Mcmahon – Eh ? Sorry mate, I haven’t read you’recomments, anything in particular ?!
WENGER!!!!!
What the HELL !! Have you done to the Arsenal?
You need to sort it out NOW!
I think i can speak for the Arsenal faithful, when i say this. But this is not good enough! Whats up with the tactics, player selection and general play of the team?
You need to clear out the SH*T that has infested our beloved club.
Wenger is always going to play the players I hate so I have a formation for him 4 2 3 1
Sagna, Kolo, DJ, Clichy
Eboue Song
Vela Denilson Nasri
RVP
I’ll leave it as this, Wenger thought his team showed spirit.
Wanker.
Night all.
im with you keyser
it’s ridiculous the overreaction from some people. We drew today against a team we probably wouldn’t expect to win against. Draws away at the other members of the top 4, villa, and everton, and wins against anyone else are what we’d expect. A win away at everton or any of the others would be a very good result, draw decent result, loss bad result
well. looks like my week is losing. I wonder if Wenger realizes that fans have Arsenal in their heart. Arsenal losing(this draw feels like a loss to me) just ruins my day knowing with a little adjustment in our first team we could be at the top. Arshavin? we need a lot more then that lads.
as did i geoff, we fought well, gave one of the best battling teams in the prem as good as they got
PTG – Hibbert made the same tackle at the emirates on nasri I think…through the back of him…it was on arsenal tv earlier,,,,dirty little shit
Man Utd’s line up last night:
Man Utd: Van der Sar, Neville (Eckersley 71), Ferdinand (Brown 70), Vidic, O’Shea, Park, Carrick, Giggs, Ronaldo, Berbatov (Tosic 77), Tevez.
Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, Scholes, Fletcher, Gibson.
Despite the following injuries:
D Welbeck
Fabio
Rafael
Nani
Anderson
Evans
Rooney
Evra
Hargreaves
The gulf in strength in depth is massive!
Stu – In all fairness ? You’d have a point, if we haven’t improved in recent weeks, unless you think we haven’t put in any good performances or that they’ve been consistently as bad as those that you talk of, how can it not be considered, I said in recent weeks in one post, against Villa they had one of the most open games you could want.
yeah stu, we should beat the likes of hull, stoke, and fulham, those were bad results, doesn’t make this a bad result!!
We had good balance and compact until we conceded. what we lacked was creativity!!!!!!!!!! and I certaintly would’t thorw LJW or Ramsey against the Hibberts of this world
A. – It’s been building up all day, like being whipped into a frenzy by some ringmaster, it wouldn#t really have mattered what the results have been like.
Zorro I have 2 disagree with U mate there’s a reason why we need a top class DM 2 win that battle in midfield a CM job is 2 help win the battle not actually win the battle.
I must admit I do not listen to him anymore, because he just sounds like a tired politician coming up with the same old crap all the time now. I wonder what he tells the players behind closed doors. The other thing is ‘who motivates the motivator’?
AW will be with us to the end of the season, that is a given, so why don’t people stop saying sack him as it won’t happen and you are just going to make yourself even angrier!
agree completely mandanda. The one thing i did think though was that ade should have come off for vela, but i guess wenger felt that with the lack of space on the pitch we were more likely to get something through hoofing balls to ade in the air than vela’s pace
Look guys, I am not happy with the performance but calling for Wengers head is not the way to go. If he was to go then it would have had to have happened at the start of the month.
No other Manager in the world would be able to get any better out of the players he has.
It is his fault that he did not strengthen in the summer and it is again that he has not done it now and probably wont but a new guy coming in will have no time to buy players in and all it will do it guarantee we finish outside the top 4.
I am not happy with the way things are but we have no choice. We have to hope he strengthens in the next five days and either way, his head is on the block. if we are to finish outside the top 4, I think there would either be a revolt to a major change in the way the club and team are managed.
tomnyadamsisgod – Sorry if I wasn’t clear, just you could see Everton weren’t really bothered in an attacking sense, they haven’t been for weeks now when they’ve played the top teams, it’s the point is good win is a bonus mentality.
yeah i agree keyser, if we’d won 6-0, everyong would have been saying “wenger is such a cunt, why didn’t we play like this all season”
Totally confused guys.
On the top its says ” Le Grove, where you can have your opinon and not get one…”
Did Geoff just say our club manager is a wanker and should fuck off back to Japan?
PMSL
wolski – Hibbert grabbed Clichy by the neck last time, Clichy got a yellow.
touch A
Keyser white English defenders come on? That’s ridiculous I’m moving on just watch your tone that was really offensive.
A, and then we have to play Liverpool, UTD and Chelsea. If villa are level with us on apr 18th we are out of 4th.
Form A, as in 19 points from 30?? that wont be enough.
I do value opinion but in this case youre plain wrong, we are huge underdogs for 4th.
There is no way in the world we will win 9 games in a row, it just wont happen. Check how many times in the history of the league we have won 9 on the spin.
A it honestly is not the result that pisses me off, when you look at Everton at the start of the Season you class it as one of the ones you might draw.
It is the level of performance that pisses me off. We are really struggling to create anything.
MG, fair comment. Which is why I cannot understand how AW made such a firkin mess of the Flam/Diarra/Gilberto situ.
Stringfellow, people come on to let off steam, you just learn to sift through the anger, lol
Thats me so. Night Grovers!
So much for a good nights sleep, i’ll be having nightmares after that performance.
The unbeaten run continues – just.
Night all – sleep well.
Metal Gear – It’s been discussed before and it was something I should hve taken up with Stu at an earlier point.
funny thing is I thought we played better today than we did last season when we won 4 – 1 (easy guyz!)
Not sure I can agree with the comments about a draw being a good result. Everton are not a good side, struggling to put out a forward line. I read the players saying we need to show more hunger, go for sides, we need to win our games and see where we are in May…sorry I do not see that tonight.
I saw a side that gave the ball away far too often,could not make 10 yard passes and totally unbalanced in terms of width. not good enough in my opinion.
The only reason a draw was a good result was because we were losing with 1 minute to go
I still think that we will play in Uefa or Itertoto Cup. Villa are 5 pioints ahead of us and they don’t seem to be dropping points.
I feel like a Blog Extremist.
I’D JUST LIKE TO APOLOGISE TO THE MEMBERS OF LE GROVE, I JUST SHOW MY FRSUTRATIONS IN OTHER WAYS.
SORRY.
fair enough zorro
just thought geoff was one of the blog owners… sounded a daft thing to have as your slogan and then to mouth off about the boss… hypocrisy?
i’m saying that if your serious about winning every game as our boss says .
you reflect this with a balanced team selection a lot of people have taken flak about calling for wengers head.
this is a result of shit team selections of the past two years,and the same old wenger speak ,
remember we were told that a move to the new ground would make us competitive with the other big clubs .
we were not told because the board sold us short and fucked up the sums and this would take 10 years .
remember we played tonight against WITH NO RECOGNISED STRIKERS.
we knew that they would challenge us in the air at set pieces and crosses , pack the midfield and try to outmuscle us in that area , and our great coach let this happen.
how come TT gets a massive payrise and RVP has his offer taken away .
keyser yourt right, he flew in to nasri, clichy came in and he grabbed clichy round the throat. He got a yellow….beats me
Jagielka is a white English defender I wouldn’t mind in our team!
I think if we were to sack Arsene we would be in trouble. He pisses me off beyond belief sometimes, but look at the players who sign for us. It usually because of him not us (most times) because they know he will get the most out of them. If Arsene went to Real or a team like that, they would probably go on to be European champs
Keyser fair enough it’s over as 4 Wenger what a cunt what a cunt I’m off.
patthegooner – We have shown an improvement in recent weeks,but wthout players like Fabregas, Rosicky and even Walcott to stretch defences it’s something we’re going to have to build up to, I know it’s not ideal and we should have had the options before.
We need to learn and learn quickly but I still think they are learning, we have been getting better in recent weeks.
undefeated in 10 now.
Metal Gear – Great post, good points er raised.
Nite all grovers
i know pat, but everyone has failed to create against everton recently, they’ve developed a fantastically efficient and organised system, which really gives opposition teams no space. It was a really crap game to watch, but I felt we did better in the midfield battle than liverpool did in both matches recently, and chelsea a few games ago. Everton are a tough team to beat, and I was very impressed and surprised with the fact they didn’t bully us like physical teams did earlier in the season.
gambon i agree after 18th april it’ll be hard, but i really think we’ll be fine.
9 games in a row sounds difficult, but i wonder when in the history of the league we’ve had 9 fixtures as winnable as these in a row. I’d be shocked if we didn’t win any of those, and if we do win them all, got momentum going, and players back, i could see us blowing away the big boys potentially as well.
Villa on the other hand have tough games, and i think a couple of losses to chelsea and liverpool will burst their bubble, and they’ll stop scraping through against the mediocre teams too.
I do think we’ll be ahead of either villa or liverpool or both on 18th april, and then it’ll be whether we’re firing with confidence and can get results against the big boys, as to where we’ll finish
we win the champs league and easily get top 4 and these fickle mugs will be calling wenger a genius again, just as quickly as they will call him a cunt.
total numpty chavs.
your right alex…if wenger went to RM he probably would win the CL…then he would slowly dismantle the team and bring in your young african and french players and do what he has done here and at monaco before us….I am serioulsy concerned where he is taking us
wolski – too much myles palmer is not good for the brain.
I thought tonight was a step back Keyser.
We should have kept the winning team, they were the ones building up the momentum.
I know we have those players out, but not having strong enough replacements is my frustration. Also you cant class Song, Denilson and Diaby as the back ups, because of the Gilberto, Diarra and Flamini fiasco one of those is considered first choice. I just dont think Wenger knows which one!!!
Personally on that tonight, I really think we need 2 players in by Monday
Seems to me people think west ham will be a walk in the park on saturday….not imo
with wigan’s current form they could even beat villa on saturday, which would burst their bubble,
then they’ve got blackburn away and allardyce is hard to beat up there,
then chelsea at home,
followed by stoke at home which should be a gimme, though if they’ve not won for a while and stoke fighting for their lives maybe not
man city away, far from a gimme,
spurs at home, they should prob win but you never know with spurs,
then liverpool away
then utd away
then everton at home, which will be tough
get song and eboue out of here, seriously aw, thay are both a pile of shit, and shouldn’t be anywhere near the 1st team.
swap them for wilshere and merida, who should be on the bench atleast because they can only improve, and drastically as well. Merida has the vision and nous to play in our midfield, and wilshere is already a player who can make or score a goal from a nothing situation….just look at the last reserve fixture, i think against stoke….
anyway, i digress….well played rvp, you are steadily showing your true class….song and eboue really should never put the shirt on again (except, aybe, eboue as a back up right back….but even then, i think i’d rather g.hoyte there.)
And aw, please stop playing diaby on the left wing – ffs!!!!!!!
im gonna sign off now, this is all too much for me to take and i could go on for ages….
night grovers…..
Stringfellow, If you imagine being in a pub watching the game, you will get many opinions, some very different to mine; I could not bring myself to call AW a cnut, but that does not mean he is beyond reasoned criticism.
stringfellow…LOL
you have cost me a lot of money….well your club has anyway!
too many AKB’s on this blog now just reading thru the comments at game time. Open ur eyes all u blind fellas.
agreed.
REASONED being the operative word.
A we are struggling to create against anyone, it is not just against Everton.
And we have to stop living off a mindset of well it is ok for us to struggle to create against Everton as everyone else has. We didnt struggle to create becuase of something Everton did to nullify us, we failed to create becuase we were poor on the night and we are the ones that in a fight for CL football and the sooner people realise it is a fight the better. We are not going to pick that place up playing the way we are at the moment.
Franchise – a great manager, going through a bad period, does not suddenly become a “cunt” overnight.
A fickle based gooner,can however become a 2nd rate fan of the club overnight.
wolski – you a spuddie?
in the same period we’ve got –
west ham home, should be a win
spuds away, win
sunderland home, win
fulham home, win
west brom away, win
blackburn home, be a battle, but should win at home
newcastle away, should be a win
man city at home, should be a win
wigan away, could be tough, but should win
bring in the fact during those games we’ll be growing in confidence, getting very important players back, and maybe even further integrating a new signing(s), i think we’ll be fine
Spot on Franchise.
i say it again too many AKB’s
Character, Fighting sprit blah blah blah, Wenger you truly are a cunt, its a broken record its boring and is disrespectful to fans who you must assume have the memory capactiy of fish
patthegooner – We play West Ham on saturday, I want to see how we do against them, unlucky for us they’re building up great momentum, if we win that either of Chelsea or Liverpool has to drop points against each other.
Franchise – Who ?!
i say it again, too many spuddie like fickle goonies around these days.
wenger was god only a few seasons back… oh how they change their tune so quickly.
pat we struggled to create because everton packed the midfield, were very strong, and closed us down and fought very well.
if we fail to create against west ham, fulham etc then i’ll admit i was wrong, but at the moment i’m not at all pessimistic, though we won’t win the league, obviously
fuck me, A
we have what reads like a fixture list that we could piss through
He was a great manager, and may still be…but at teh mo he is struggling to see that his experiment is not working. It is not just fans/supporters that see this. The media, ex pros, ex managers see it. He has quality in the side and I for one would rather see players like vela, merida, Wilshere get more game time to develop..because eboue is what 25…as a midfield player is he still going to develop
exactly stringfellow
although the games after that are very tough….
though i think if we have built up some momentum we can beat the big boys too
spuddies : jol is the messiah, up martin jol
1 year on
spuddies : jol the fat cunt , out with jol
1 year on
spuddies : ramos is the new messiah, ramos’ army
1 year on
spuddies : spanish cunt
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great club, classy fans.
carry on gooners… become spud-u-likes.
wolski it’s some fans/supporters, and some of the media, ex-pros etc, opinion is split, it isn’t everyone
Saturday is a possible banana skin as they have hit a bit of form, but we should create chances and rvp is playing well. Problem is, he is in a minority. We do lack creativity in the middle and Ade is stinking the place out!
I said it earlier Keyser. I think if we are to get a CL spot, I think it will be at the expense of Liverpool.
I fully expect to beat West Ham, even though they are in a bit of form of late, but we must must must bring some players in.
We cant bank on Rosicky or Cesc playing again this season, and Eduardo will take the rest of the season to settle and refind his shooting boots and Theo is still a bit inconsistent through youth. And you can bet your last pennies that we will suffer more injuries and suspensions.
that’s the only thing i worry about pat – if we get another serious injury, say to vp or nasri, we’re buggered
stringfellow…not sure where your coming from.
Been a supporter since the 70′s, two season tickets, far from it mate. I love arsenal…repeat arsenal… the club. Wenger has been successful…but do you really think he has got it right this season…do you see it getting better if he stays on the same path?
Stringfellow, how can we be fickle gooners, all we are saying is we’re not happy with things the manager is doing ie team selections, tactics and subs. These are all areas down to Wenger and he has made poor decisions all year, not just one game.
I’d have respect for Wenger if he dropped the players we all know are not up to it and played a balanced side. I’d rather he played a few of the younger players, at least they can improve, unlike some of the players out there tonight.
Injuries aside, Wenger is not doing his own cause any good.
wolski Says:
January 28, 2009 at 10:42 pm
stringfellow…LOL
you have cost me a lot of money….well your club has anyway!
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my club?
A, writing down games with ‘win’ next to them is beyond ridiculous, i we did that at the stars of the season we would be on 55 points now.
Should we win each of them 9? probably
Will we win all of them 9, absolutely no way.
goonerless – i agree, he has made mistakes, nobody on earth is perfect, nobody goes through life without making fuck ups… nobody is arguing this.
but do we really need to start calling the man a cunt, left right and centre?
do we?
A – sorry i did not say or mean everyone…my point was the view comes from a lot of quarters not just what was being called “fickle” fans
Diaby Denilson and Song should not be playing all at the same time.
I had no problem with Song and Diaby in the centre since it was going to be a physical battle.
But why start Denilson on right wing. I would have prefered to see Eboue there or even Bendter.
It just goes to show once Denilson is fit he must play, Wenger is playing favourites…Song is not his favourite…Denilson is.
And also why not play Nasri in the centre? Wneger himself has admitted that Nasri plays better through the middle.
this season hasn’t been great wolski, but i see it getting much better if he stays on the same path. The talent and players we’ve got coming through is unbelievable, next season we could destroy everyone in our path, though obviously we’ve been saying that for a while.
This season was going to be dodgy as soon as hleb demanded to go to barca, and then rosicky’s injury getting worse
stringfellows!
*if *start
pattheGooner – Thing is they all can still add something, even if they’re on the bench it’s something.
Yeah Theo’s inconsistent but being able to bring that much pace on at the end of game is still something I’d rather have in the team.
5 days left till the trasnfer window shuts, doesn’t look promising, just looking forward to West Ham now.
As a season ticket holder for 20 years, I am a long way from happy about how this season has panned out and Wenger most definitely does deserve a lot of the cricism currently being levied at him and tonights game greatly illustrated a number of the teams shortcomings. and by all means criticise in a constructive manner. However, based on what he has achieved during his tenure at Arsenal, and lets face it he is going to go down in the history of the club as a huge success can we atleast extend him some degree of respect – and that respect only has to take the form of not referring to the guy as a CUNT – I think he has atleast done enough to deserve that.
pmsl wolksi – sorry mate, straight over the old barnet with that one.
i agree with A.
i cannot see it getting any worse than it is now, we have to just get behind the manager and the team and even the likes of badey and billy g.
and then when the season is over and we finally know how we done, because we are now in the business end of the season and not one trohpy has been handed out yet and we are seriously still competing for 2, then we argue the toss.
I dont know you Stringfellow and I apologise if I have got the wrong impression, but I think the content of some of your posts are a little rude.
I have no problems in your comments about Arsenal football club, the manager, the players etc, we all disagree at times on things, but going on to call fellow bloggers things like Spuddie Fickle Gooners is a little out of order. It is as unnaceptable as the old “go and support Chelsea then”
We all go through the frustrations and emotions high and low of watching Arsenal and people choose to express their thoughts about the team in their own way, but (And it is not just you) but things are starting to get to personal on this blog and it is unfortunately ruining it.
Cant we just keep it to opinions and not get personal.
Stringfellow Hawke Says:
January 28, 2009 at 10:56 pm
goonerless – i agree, he has made mistakes, nobody on earth is perfect, nobody goes through life without making fuck ups… nobody is arguing this.
but do we really need to start calling the man a cunt, left right and centre?
do we?
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Yes We do. Thats exactly right. We lost with Denilsong in the midfield and yet Wenger persists with failing strategy’s and failing players.
I told meself that if he plays Denilsong one more time after the embarrasing 3-0 thrashing at ManCity…he should go.
NOw i think he really should juss Fakc off!
class, Ryan L
at last.
A,
Against spurs at WHL it will be tough. And after relatively easy run of games, we play against Liverpool,chelsea, manu at old traford. No offensive player, and cdm= no champions league. Sorry A-Intertoto cup, here we come, cos I don’t even think that we will be in the 5th place. Eboue, Diaby, Ade, Song, Almunia=joke.There is only one positive, Gallas and Johan parnership. Maybe we really don’t need Hamgeland at the moment?
yeah i know wolski, there are knowledgable objective fans who sit of both sides of the fence regarding where we’re going, though there don’t seem to be any fickle fans on the optimistic side of the fence, they all seem to have jumped on the “wenger is a cunt” bandwaggon.
It’s down to opinion, it’s only a matter of opinion and very debatable whether we’re 2% off having an absolute wonder team, or about to lose champs league and become a second rate team.
It’s stupid people saying that you only sit on one side of the fence or the other because you’re either “a fickle spuds fan at heart” or an “akb”. Though it’s usually the fickle fans making those accusations
Tyhis is not the Arsenal I used to know. Give me back my Arsenal
so patthegooner
calling the greatest manager in our history a cunt and telling him to fuck off back to japan… is not personal?
oh the irony.
Stringfellow, as it happens I have not called Wenger a cunt. I’ve given my honest opinion on a man whom I see as being a bit lost at the moment.
Too many fans are now questioning whats going on at the club. So surely all is not right.
And we are all allowed to have our own opinions.
gambon – Did you really just criticise A. for being presumptious by writing ‘win’ next to games and then say there is absolutely no way we’ll win all 9 ?!
A – I know what you are saying about players coming through..there is no doubt there…but players like Wilsher, Merida, coq, etc and those this season of Theo, Vela need experience around them…we miss this as he wil not buy for the short term. Players like song and eboue will not be platforms for these young players to grow from. They will take a couple of years to be able command the PL
A, summed up the site brilliantly!
i dunno maciek, i think we’ll have far too much for spuds. the final big games could dictate our final position, and it’ll depend on keeping the current players fit, getting players back, and getting some momentum.
We do need another dm, though imo song again showed today he was adequate, just as djourou is adequate in defence. Though I could see us bringing in a top quality dm still this window, not a centre back though
again, goonerlee, i did not say you called him a cunt.
i said “do we” need to call him a cunt as a collective fanbase?
becasue at least half a dozen including one of the blog owners have called him a cunt tonight.
“The greatest manager in our history”
Is only there to make himself and the board money.
We are the only team in the League that persist with embarrassing themselves when it comes to transfer…what the fack would we have done if the Nasri deal didnt go through???
david, are you suggesting he is not?
keyser from earlier i didnt say everton played us off the park!
No Stringfellow becuase we are not in debate with Wenger. We are in debate with each other. The blog is about opinions, not abusing each other.
If you dont (And I dont either) like people calling him a cunt, either ignore it or tell them why its rude. Dont call them a fickle Spud becuase they care about there team and are pissed with the way things are. Seriously buddy I rapidly going off this blog becuase of the abuse and insults that are being traded
String fellow.
Wenger is a c*nt.
There’s another one for you….Wenger needs to go now!
WE have been nothing short of lucky these past games….grapping winners in the 89th minute…da hell??
Fans calling him a cnut is just as bad as any fan pretending nothing is wrong and AW is beyond criticism. There are plenty of fans who do both, just opposite ends of the scale. But there are plenty of informed opinions to be had on here, you just need to have your ‘fan letting steam off’ filter switched on!
bought someone else i’d imagine david. i’d say liverpool and chelsea embarrass themselves alot more time and time again in the transfer market….
ok fair point, patthegooner.
point totally taken on board mate
Keyser, our biggest winning streak this season is 3 games….yes 3 games.
Its not even a question as to whether we’ll win 9 in a row, it wont happen.
David, who do we replace him with then?
kirby – Was just ranting sorry mate.
Our season has been in the toilet for 4 years…and we have been lied to persistently….you tell me why i should get behind lies and a manager that seemingly has no ambition to achieve anything?
no worries we all just get pissed off fuckin arsenal drive me fuckin mad lol
Talking of cunts, Moyes reckons they deserved to win! lol deluded jock cunt!
I personally do not comment on wenger being a c**t. not a word I use personally. I have an opinion that Wenger has lost his way this season with his prefered team selections and tactics..some share this view other do not. I do not buy the fact that injuries are against us. Part and parcel of the game. AW was the one that let players go and did not replace them, after saying that we were three players short at the end of last season.
gambon – Eh ? How does that make sense ? Right now you can pose the question, it hasn’t happened, you can guess and surmise as to what you think will happen all you want, but you have no certainties in this.
david, the last four years we’ve finished higher in the league than any four years previously in the clubs post-war history before wenger arrived except for the graham years end of 80s early 90s, and that’s been us in the toilet?!
The thing is I can remember many a time in the Highbury Barn or the Gunners even during the great times where fans off the cuff shout abuse including the word cunt at the tv towards the players and the manager, and you dont get other people in the pub calling them a fickle spud. It is the emotion of a game and the aftermath from it. Times move on though and blogs are here now and your words are typed instead of shouted, but they are still the thoughts going through your head.
Stringfellow, people can use whatever language they like. I’m only responsible for what I say.
How many games have we played well in this year? I’m not just moaning beause of tonights game, I’m not happy with this seasons showing. All I’ve heard from Wenger this year is how much he believes in these players, well I don’t see it myself.
This current team against previous Wenger Arsenal teams is very poor. Whos fault is that? Why sell so many players with experience? Why not keep some of the players who are over 30? Why did we not buy a decent midfielder in the summer?
Who do we vent our anger at?
How many times will we have to listen to the same lame Wenger post match interviews.
Obviously missing so many creative players is seriously affecting our play. But why not do something about it?
kirby – I’m weird like that, I just end up defending anything Arsenal..
gambon the last few games have been the first time this season we’ve shown real fight, and have we ever had 9 games in a row as winnable?!
I don’t want to harp on about the past but even if you only take the single achievement, that Wenger created and managed a team that went 49 games unbeaten – something that NONE of his peers have done – I think that alone atleast deserves the respect of not being referred to as a cunt.
Having the opinion that he should go (not my opinion) is a personal opinion and 1 I can respect – but please rationally explain to me why he desreves to be referred to as a cunt. In my opinion making such a reference undermines any other opinion the user of that word might have.
goonerless – he is, he is trying to sign arshavin.
OK Keyser, let me rephrase that…..statistically there is a >90% chance we drop points in the next 9 games.
with you 100% ryan, great post
gambon – greater than 90%, heh, how did you work that out ?!
A Says:
January 28, 2009 at 11:12 pm
david, the last four years we’ve finished higher in the league than any four years previously in the clubs post-war history before wenger arrived except for the graham years end of 80s early 90s, and that’s been us in the toilet?!
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When you have mates jumping up and down and having their team celebrate trophies i categories our so called “top 4″ spot as being in the toilet. For all the money we make we dont spend it..and we are progressively shite. As a gooner pointed out we were 3 players short last season…and we let 3 others go…AND YET PLAYERS COMING BACK FROM INJURY WILL BE LIKE NEW SIGNINGS.
Even liverpool have won the CL. What the fack is going on at Arsenal? Are you not fed up with this shite?
Really glad to read some classy, intelligent posts.
Thats ok Stringfellow
Honestly just have a listen in a gooner pub the next time you watch a game live in one. the same comments come out but verbally.
Wenger is a legend, hey we would not even be talking about the potential of missing out on CL football if it wasn’t for the legacy he has built, but he has chosen to take this high risk squad policy and he has to take the rough with the smooth.
What annoys me is that at the end of last season, the only piece of the jigsaw missing was Nasri, then we got Nasri and lost Hleb and Flamini, and not it is only those two pieces missing and I am convinced if we can get Arshavin and the Flamini replacement, then the good times are not far away. the chances will come back and the likes of Ade will start looking like the 80k a week players they are.
We all want whats best for Arsenal, I just hope Wenger has it in him to do it and that he doesnt become a comparison to Cloughy.
no david, because i go back to the mid 90s, remember what it felt like having not won for 5 games and thinking we were going to go down, and look at how far we’ve come, or even go back to the season before wenger arrived, when we finished 5th, and it was celebrated as a great achievement and massive improvement
Stringfellow your not exactly a beacon of wisdom my friend ,
just cause you don’t react the same way others do gives you no right to talk down
some grovers are fustrated why not let them be
what is it to you?
Stringfellow, I know and if we do sign him then I’ll be happy with that addition, but what about a quality central midfielder? Buying Arshavin is not the only player we need.
We’ve had since the end of last season to sort out a replacement for Flamini.
With the injured players back we will still be a match for most teams. But I still question our central defence, central midfield and the lack of a world class keeper.
night all busy day tomorrow…checking newsnow for a sign…
Yes, again fair point. Cloughy did go from taking a team from nowhere to the pinnacle of european football.. only to lead them back down again. So it can happen. Wenger is not god and he could seriously fuck it up.
I just want to stay as positive as possbile till the end of the season when we will know how we fared.
I will be very surprised if Villa do not do a Spuds and flap it come late season.
Coming top 4 is almost as nerve wrecking as winning the title, its such an accomplishment nowadays.
So our experience should stand us in good stead, aswell as the “new signings” lol ( fab, theo, rosicky, eddy )
also – just because in terms of the history and size of our club, we’ve not got any god given right to even be in the top 4/5, let alone winning everything doesn’t mean i see 4th place as a great achievement, but it just isn’t a disaster.
I guess it’s a massive compliment to the amazing way wenger has transformed the club that 4th is now considered a disaster!
ok jlp – you carry on.
no problem.
I swear Match of the Day, didn’t even show the Hibbert foul, fuck it..
A
So in your opinion where do you think this club is heading?
Hansen, another cunt!
We really have plenty of wankers vying for that moniker that it seems cheap using it on AW, lol
If we dont get 4th spot…financially for us it will be a disaster. Except we win the UEFA cup
ROFL
up david, we’ve had the best 12 years in the clubs history by a mile, have a new stadium that will allow us to compete in a few years with every other club in europe, and have many of the most highly rated youngsters in europe coming through. We’ve never before in our history been considered one of the real big boys, on par with anyone, now we are,and we have as good a chance as any of winning the fa cup and champions league. If we win either and get champs league for next year, im very happy, and it’ll be a good season, not just an alright season, everything considered
when did newcastle sign lovenkrands?!
After the Cardiff game when after being realistic about the dire state of quality of ffotball we put oout and have put out for the last year. I was slated, by some on this site, for being negative and not a true supporter and that we should be optimistic for this season. Fair enough we all have different views but a headline in the papers the day after the Cardif game …. “Arsenal glory days are long gone” summed it up nicely I thought and niothing I saw tonight alters the fact we are playing crap and don’t deserve to win anything with these bunch of losers.
Simple maths kelsey,
1- What are the odds we beat a lower team at home (80%)
2- What are the odds we beat a lower team away (60%)
Our fixtures go H,A,H,H,A,H,A,H,A
therefore (.8)x(.6)x(.8)x(.8)x(.6)x(.8)x(.6)x(.8)x(.6)
= 0.042
Statistically we have a 4.2% chance to win 9 in a row.
how about 7 in a row?
gambon – Heh, can’t believe you actually thought about it, good on ya.
But i’ll still take that chance.
bloody hell our ten games won in a row few years ago must have been less likely than winning the lottery gambon, especially considering a fair few of them were very tough!!
each game is taken individually, you can’t bring in probability charts or anything like that for them
winning 9 .. 7 in a row … with this team ….. the words …clutching at straws ….. comes to mind.
well who has beat us recently?
He said the club were not close to signing Andrei Arshavin, adding no-one else was likely to be arriving or departing the club.
“No not at the moment,” he said. “We have a good squad, we have many players as well out injured and they will all come back.
“We hope that (Theo) Walcott, (Cesc) Fabregas and (Tomas) Rosicky will come back to the squad very soon and that is for us like buying players.”
AAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
A im sorry but you absolutely can. Even if we assume we are 90% sure to win all 9 games we are only 38% likely to win 9 in a row.
This is why it happens so rarely.
Cesc only came off crutches a couple of days ago
We arent signing anyone are we
Stringfwellow it was about winning 7 or 9 in a row .. not about not getting beat and drawing.
what is wenger talking about we have players coming back????? we wont see fabregas for 2 months ..as 4 rosicky..wtf…????? hes lost it
Of course we’re not.
Get Wenger out. Get the stupid fucking cunt out now.
Jimbo – Hows things ? You sound a bit more cheery than usual ? Got anymore insider knowledge ?!
Why Keyser, has Arshavin signed?
Looks like I was right about that one, doesn’t it!
Stunning performance tonight eh – that French manager type clearly knows what he’s doing…
every sequence of results would have the same probability!
think about it, if that probability of us winning all those games is (.8)x(.6)x(.8)x(.8)x(.6)x(.8)x(.6)x(.8)x(.6), the chance of us winning 7 and losing the first 2 is
(.2)x(.4)x(.8)x(.8)x(.6)x(.8)x(.6)x(.8)x(.6) is 0.007
so the is 7/10 of a percent
you could do the same for any sequence of matches, and in actual fact, seeing as the chance of us winning in each individual game is greater than the chance of losing or drawing, whichever sequence of matches actually occurs if we don’t, has a smaller probability than us winning all of them!!
robin van persie.. he has been carrying this team this year
sorry mark, was just being a bit tongue in cheek.
but that is not a bad fixture list at all, with RvP in this kind of form, anything is possible.
Badeybayor cannot get any worse, so even he may bang in a few over the next 8or9 games.
There is always hope.
Jimbo – What are you on about mate, you just sounded more cheery than what you usually post, thought you might know something ?!
You were right ? I never said you were wrong, heh..
though obviously i do agree that the chance of us failing to win one of the nine games is greater than us winning every one. Just the sequential probability doesn’t work because every possible sequence is incredibly unlikely.
Pathgooner …. for those of us that was calling for 4 or 5 players to be brought in last summer, and get rid if some of our dead wood, and nothing much happened … to now be approaching the January deadline and with no players likely … it is so bloody disappointing when we know that a few players out and a few good players in and we can compete with the best … but to rely on the likes of Bendtner, Eboue and the like, who we know aren’t top class, and we know we are just a lame duck of a squad. No I don’t think we will sign anyone now. It’s bloody heartbreaking.
I tell you, don’t listen to him, it’s better that way!
Wet sham just battered Hull, Keeper kept it down to 2-0 and made a blinding penalty save!
no mark, we don’t know bendtner isn’t top class, some think he isn’t some think he is.
it really bugs me when people claim something they think is fact, or a view that EVERYONE holds. Nothing personal mark, just something which is incorrect, and a pet peeve!
we don’t rely on eboue, he’s a good squad member who has unfortunately had to play far too often because of injuries. Bendtner is a fantastic talent who is a very good sub, and can change games, as he has in recent weeks. We do need a couple of new signings, and we’re trying to get them in, if we don’t get anyone in before 2nd feb it’ll be a big dissapointment, but it hasn’t been decided yet. Wait till then to complain rather than speculate on something noone can know!
also i disagree mark, a few players in, not a few players out, we can’t afford to lose a single squad member
Also, i think we have a very small transfer kitty.
We have been Arsenal Property Holdings since grand old Highbury came down… most property companies are out or going out of business at the moment.
Not to say we will, but the gate reciepts must be being offset by those projected highbury square losses.
Stringfellow …. I suppose I admire your optimism in one way but I like to think I’m more of a realist than negative, I see things for what they are. It’s like the old saying about whether you see the glass half empty (negative) or half full (positive) … but I just see it as half ….. realist … and that sums this Arsenal up …. just …. half …. neither one thing or the other … but that’s not good enough for Arsenal and we should be brimming at the top.
true mark, at the moment we are neither here nor there.
but unless you are a clarivoyant, you cannot tell me where this season will end for us.
there are many twists and turns to come, and i will tell you all one thing… i totally totally believe in karma… the rotten bad luck we have had over the last 3 or 4 years will turn around and present itself as good fortune soon enough.
so lets just wait and see, i would 100000000% rather be a gooner right now than a scouse mick supporting that tosh up at anfield.
says who mark? throughout our history finishing 4th regularly is better than we’ve ever done for more than 4 years on the trot, why should we be brimming at the top??
i agree stringfellow, i’d rather be in our position than supporting any of the other 3, or villa.
Rational analysis would dictate we should scrape 4th, if we improve we can do better, if we get worse we’ll do worse. But being neither optimistic nor pessimistic one would expect us to finish 4th imo, that would be being realistic
it will be tight, villa will push us all the way, but i just cannot see us not being in the champs league next year.
villa’s bubble will burst. even if their luck doesnt run out. liverpool will be on par with us in a couple of games, chelsea at the weekend and we’ve got west ham at home, that should be 3 points away from them, and they’ll have trouble in alot of other games before they even play at old trafford a month later
villa have been absolutely incredible, their best premiership season ever, whereas we’ve been pants, our worst wenger season thus far probably, yet they’re only 6 points ahead of us, that’s only 2 games
5 pts :p
What I do know is that if we can get Arshavin and some quality at DM then We will be in the CL next year.
If we dont then I am not sure. I have a gut feeling Villa will hold their luck all season, and we will fight it out with Liverpool.
I am not even counting on seeing Cesc and Rosicky again this season, Our injuries seem to drag on and I think we can only count on them being a bonus if they play again this year. I think Theo will be Theo and will amaze one week and be pants the next which is still better than playing either Denilson or Eboue out there,
Eduardo is my hope. I really hope he finds form quickly as I feel we dont have a lot of competition for Ade and although he is being starved of chances, he also seems a little complacent and lazy recently. Eduardo in the frame could be the kick in the arse he needs.
A .. that’s fine everyone has their own opinion about players … but don’t patronise me by telling me that it is your pet peeve and it really bugs you when people (me in this case) claim something they think is fact or is a view EVERYONE holds and is just incorrect. You then go on to tell me that Bendtner is a fantastic talent ….. by doing so you are doing exactly the same as what you criticise me for … you are claiming something you think is fact or a view EVERYONE holds …. don’t be hypocritical please.
Anyone hear Wenger say the Arshavin deal is 90% done?
Honestly A, forget Villa, the whole world is behind them. We should forget about them losing form or luck and just concentrate on getting on a run. I still think Liverpool will be the ones we will be fighting with.
Seriously though, We won’t do it with the squad we have got at the moment. We have a massive gap in DM and we can argue all night about the week to week performances of Song, Diaby and Denilson, but the fact remains if you transfer listed them tomorrow there would not be many takers, and certainly not any from any major european teams. Their current form and ability is that of a squad player and until we recognise that and get someone in that can fill that gap (It is the most important position on the field in my mind) then we will struggle. Getting someone in there is more key than Arshavin for me.
ha nicely picked up on stringfellow, things are even better than i said!
no that’s exactly what im not doing mark, i’m saying bendtner is a fantastic talent imo, im not saying “everyone knows bendtner is a fantastic talent”
thats the point, im not talking for anyone else, whereas someone saying “everyone knows….” is talking on my (and others) behalf, who don’t agree
I just want wenger to fucking realize that this is not working… the day he realizes that, i hope he starts to make changes.
pat tbh i think we will do it with the squad we’ve got, we just won’t be as comfortable as we would with new signings, and we won’t do it with the squad we’ve got if we lose more players, and others have complications with their returns from injury.
I’d be absolutely fine with song and denilson sitting with nasri and arshavin on the flanks, i think we’d be very good with that midfield, but with only nasri we lack creativity, and I see diaby as an impact sub, he isn’t complete enough of a player to be a starter
keyser
if we deserved a goal it should of came in 90 minutes …
i think our midfield other than nasri who was triple teamed most of the night sucked ,
the 1 or 2 chances ade had as ever, he fluffed them and looked like an amateur all the while .
RVP is looking the bollocks , not sure how much longer we can hang on to him for ..
for us, cesc’s only saving grace might be he is injured for too long so no one can get a good look at him this season..
a midfield of arshavin, song, denilson, nasri would certainly bring a decent balance back to the midfield.
guys, we are not shipping in that many goals, we have just stopped creating as many chances.
arshavin is badly needed out wide right.
“There is nothing new, because today I have been focussed on the game, and I did not pick up any phone calls so nothing has happened. It was 90 per cent that I will be able to give you more in the next two days. Remember in this job the other 10 per cent can be more important than the other 90 because people can change their mind quickly”
i think he’ll still be coming
i agree stringfellow, or theo is needed back, or even bendtner starting there with vp dropping back into midfield like today!
i just think bendter, at the moment anyway, is really a better impact player than a starter.
If we bring in Arshavin, I think things will pick up pretty quickly. It should have a cascade effect and soothe other areas of the side.
If we don’t, and Wenger has that annoying look on his face whereby he looks like he doesn’t give a shit about acquistitions, I seriously will struggle to quell the urge not to lamp him when I see him interviewed.
Without any signings, this team is not finishing fourth. Absolutely no chance. Walcott is only a slight improvement and the others will come back to late.
i just cant believe i got up at 3 am to see that donkey’s bollocks of a game …
when our arsenal team just plays long balls you know your in for a crap game …
but yes ade brings something unique to our game doesnt he ??
well he did again last night !
he draws all these players out of position and creates all these openings , fuck ive never seen one of them the whole time he has played for us ! all i see is he gets the ball loses it , he gets the ball and the off side whistle goes , or he kicks it, either A) at the keeper or;B) hits air !
Ethan, it’s a complete myth, all this Ade physical bollocks.
There used to be a semblence of truth to it but now it’s merely a empty platitude by those who don’t really watch or understand the game.
His physical nature at the moment is about as significant as Bendtner’s pink boots.
im not worried in the slightest about finishing 4th even if we sign noone paulinho, i just think it’ll be closer if we don’t.
when he wants to be he can be physical paulinho, when he plays to his strengths, which is why defenders hate playing against him so much. However when he’s in the mindset that he thinks he’s the bollocks and spends the whole time thinking he can be a playmaker or dribbling out wide, he’s a complete and utter waste of time
certainly its not doom and gloom long term ..
with the likes of rosicky – dudu – cesc – theo all to return .. the addition of arshavin (who i also think will turn up at arsenal ) would lift the spirits ..
but wenger needs to get gourfrann or gourguff or both , who can be played in over the next 4-5 months ready for next season .
we still lack strength – depth and confidence .
also sort out your constant injury woes wenger !
you always cry about it but never strengthen the squad .. change your training ethic or buy more players !!
I have never bought the badey myth.
It was a freak season that he will never repeat.
ethan gourcuff is on loan at bordeaux, so isn’t available this season anyways, and gouffran only signed in the summer for bordeaux. We need one creative player, arshavin will do, but if we don’t get him we do need someone else.
we also need a top quality dm. People talk about our current players, but what happens if one of them gets injured, we’re in an absolutely ridiculous situation!!
ethangunner – I don’t get your point, we scored in the alloted time, there was nothing fluky about it, both teams had 7 shots each and we had 4 on target to their 3 ?!
Shall we just argue for the sake of it though, for old times sake ?!
A in your piece (11.54) you write “Bendtner is a fantastic talent” you are stating it as a fact that we all know … you do not say … in my opinion or I think … Bedntner is a fantastic talent …
mark, he does not state one way or the other, its open to conjecture.
you, however, did state “we all know”
let it go.
mark before that i said “we don’t know bendtner isn’t top class, some think he isn’t some think he is.”
i don’t think anyone would assume after i’ve said that that i’m speaking factually. anyone with half a brain would realise i’m speaking of my personal opinion, not attempting to claim that it’s a fact or something that “everyone knows”
Metal Gear 9:44 – I am with you!
ethan, I was up at 4, but had the good sense to go back to sleep!
Ha ha, Lucas gave away the penalty.
I bet Liverpool fans are effin raging over that guy messing up their title aspirations.
Shall we just argue for the sake of it though, for old times sake ?!
keyser – i can always count on you ..
how many people on here truly believe we would equalize in extra time simply because we deserved it ..
????
i think both teams were equally as poor ,
and 1 point each was a fair result , however to guess we would equalize in time on is more ass than class ,and cutting it too close if you firmly believe we deserved it !
so the question i have for you keyser is if you have faith in this current team so much will we win anything this season ????
PDT
yes i was stupid enough to TRY and watch the whole game .. long ball tactics , our midfield not firing , static passing , no penetration ..
watch the likes of song – eboue- diaby ..and ade!
and people wonder why we suck this season !
i should of had the sense to go back to bed also pdt!!
Does anyone believe that AW has not lost it? That he is still a good manager?
We can blame the players, but this is not about the players. This is about the manager and the board who have created this abominable mess.
The players (mostly) are terrible and will never be better. The manager’s job is to cull them, but he won’t because he is too busy making money for the club. The board is away fattening their backsides, so no one who can do anything cares.
I watched for about 20 mins but my heart was pounding so hard that I would be disappointed yet again that I decided to go back to bed. I am going into depression becuase of this effing team.
ethangunner – Wait, what was your point again ?! Are you saying that because we scord soo late, thus making it less likely that we would, that we didn’t deserve it ?!
Are you calling me as ‘ass’ ? Heh..
This has been a terrible week so far!
Stringfellow …. A ….. please read my original comment again … I did not say “we all know” and I did not say “everyone knows” …. I said “we know” and “we” being those of us on this site (and there are more than a few) who don’t think Bendtner is top class. I was therefore not talking for everyone else and not talking for those who don’t agree with me.
Not sure if anyone postes this earlier. Arshavin refused to train and said that Zenit hasn’t agreed a deal yet.
http://74.125.95.101/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.life.ru/video/8715&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlife%2Bru%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS309%26sa%3DG&usg=ALkJrhj5uF5OFi3A4a_gNA91UQmQFxhsOA
Keyser, I didn’t watch the match, but if I believe Setanta’s numbers (slightly different from yours), then Everton matched us all the way and went slightly better on some.
Here’s the link….
http://www.setanta.com//uk/Articles/Football/2009/1/28/Prem-Everton-v-Arsenal-ratingsstats/gnid-37588/
Just spent quarter hour working out stats – if things carry on exactly as they have, both we and villa continue our current form in the next 9 games, then we’ll be ahead of villa on goal difference on the 18th april, before our harder games, and villas easier games. It’ll depend on how the team has developed as to how things end up
yes pdt, a good deal of people believe that wenger hasn’t lost it, and that he’s still a good manager, and in fact the best manager in the clubs entire history.
i don’t think there’s a single player that needs to be culled, there are just players who need to be added, and hopefully that’ll happen before 2nd feb.
Today was not a good result, nor a bad result.
things in general are not currently good, nor currently a disaster, though they are slightly below being average.
there are players who will be better, and there are some who won’t, but aren’t as bad as people make out. the likes of song, and eboue won’t ever be worldbeaters, but would be adequate squad members, but playing half a team of squad members together makes everyone look worse than they are
Just hope that Dudu comes back from his national callup in one piece.
pat -that website is a bit of a joke, but good news if it’s true!
wenger also said – “There is nothing new, because today I have been focussed on the game, and I did not pick up any phone calls so nothing has happened. It was 90 per cent that I will be able to give you more in the next two days. Remember in this job the other 10 per cent can be more important than the other 90 because people can change their mind quickly”
which would make me think it will happen, probably not until the weekend though. maybe he’ll be paraded before the west ham match!
yeah let’s hope pdt. We’re using croatia as a reserve team game to get him match fitness, i hope he does fantastically. If it just suddenly clicks at home against sunderland, edu in alongside vp, nasri left mid arshavin right, sudddenly the fast flowing pass and move returns and blows them away
A, I hope you are right and Wenger hasn’t lost it.
Would appreciate your perspective on this :
1. Why doesn’t he play Vela?
2. Why doesn’t he move Nasri to the middle?
3. Why does he not give Wilshere any minutes, not even as a sub when we are winning?
These are options that he has – why isn’t he using them?
A, (1:08 post), we still wouldn’t have anyone in the centre of the park. Dudu, RvP, Nasri and Arsh would still need service.
This is a laugh some of these comments from the “Blind Optimists”…
A draw didnt reflect the game at all, Everton deserved to win for all bah 10mis of the 1st half.
I love this club but for some of you to say that performance was good, just shows how far ure standards have dropped. well i suppose that can be justified considering the team we field.. Spirit my arse!It was a Haryuken(street fighter) punt foward only for RVP to be world Class enough to finish it! So dont tell me that it was a good show of football, at 1 stage we couldnt string 3 passes together. Everton didnt play for a draw, if u think they did u r watching the wrong game. They were just to shit to create anything like us.
Even the best manager in the club’s history has bad seasons and we have had several of them. Ferguson went through his own crisis, reinvented himslef, went and bought and bought and bought and see where he is now.
I don’t see signs of Wenger trying to reinvent himself. He isn’t doing anything new. All he is doing is playing the same tired squad over and over again hoping that they will suddenly become swans.
A, I hope you haven’t gone off to sleep but are penning a stinging response.
Rob, which part of Oz are you in? Must have been early for you….
we looked good for the 1st 10 minutes then everton dominated the whole 1st half ..
and again in the 2nd half they looked more likely to score with the possession they had .
my point is keyser the game demanded us to get 3 points ! we knew villa had won and we needed to keep pace with them. we didnt even come close considering the rigors we are up against , this is all about the top 4 ! …and staying in it !
getting 3 points from this game did not mean
that we equalize with 50 seconds left on the clock of time on !
this game from an objectives point of view failed miserably ! and if it was’nt for a clichy long ball too RVP in the dieing seconds of the game they would have pulled off a victory against us .. too close for comfort , but at least we got a point ..we fell far short of the objectives we all knew we needed to achieve this game , i would hardly call it a successful evening !
He doesn’t play vela because he plays ade and vp. Vp can’t be dropped, and ade causes defenses problems and can score goals etc, though i think he was attrocious today and should’ve come off. Vela really isn’t a 4-4-2 left winger, he doesn’t get the space or time on the ball when he plays there, and isn’t as accomplished an all round player, as well as his ball retention not being great. Nasri also plays there at the moment. I did think vela could have made a difference today for ade, but i guess wenger thought with the lack of space we were more likely to score from long balls.
nasri doesn’t play in the middle because mainly he isn’t a centre mid in a 4-4-2, he has very rarely played there in his career, and we currently need to be as solid as possible, because we don’t have the creativity to blow away teams. I would like to see him centrally in a 4-5-1, but vp is currently excelling there. As well as that he wouldn’t be as effective in a 4-4-2 midfield, because he’d have to pick up the ball in deeper areas, and his defensive duties would take away his freedom.
wilshere i guess just isn’t considered quite ready yet. He has shown moments of brilliance, but even in his last game for the reserves where he scored that terrific goal, he actually didn’t have a very good game. He seems a bit hit and miss, and when we’re having to battle really hard for results especially against the likes of everton, i don’t think it’s the place for him. I think we’ll see a fair bit more of him ironicallly when we’ve actually got more creative players playing, because he’ll be able to link up better with them, rather than playing in these tight battling matches.
Currently we’re lacking in creativity without cesc, rosicky, or a new signing, and as a result we’re putting out teams designed to be as solid as possible, and hopefully steal a win with the odd goal. Wenger and the team doesn’t have the belief or confidence to really attack teams and blow them away, so we have to fight for every win, which is why the likes of wilshere and vela don’t play much, and nasri can’t get a central role
PDT – I went by the stats the Guardian and the BBC had for the game, it doesn’t really matter either way, it was just like some war of attrition in midfield, it wasn’t the best game, but we weren’t outplayed even with their extra man in the middle.
1-1 was probably a fair result and our goal was deserved considering the kind of game it was.
1. Vela was ill against Cardiff, he might still be feeling the effects of that, he’s barely played for us at home let alone away with a team as physical and defensive as Everton.
2. If he wasn’t going to bring on Vela and move him out wide, Nasri was the only width we did have.
3. How many players need minutes ? I’d say he’s behind Bendtner, Vela and Ramsey simply because of age, and come to think of it how many games have you been completely confident of us winning even if we have been leading at times ?!
Looking at the stats, it looks like we didn’t create enough. We must start Nasri in the centre of the park with Diaby or Denilson.
haha pdt that was a very lengthy response, apologies.
regarding needing someone in the centre of the park, i don’t think we do, as vp will be that player. We’ll just be solid with song’s (or new signing’s) power and size, and denilson’s composure and ball retention, which will give nasri, arshavin and vp the freedom to roam around and create behind ade. Until cesc is back anyways
ethangunner – That was your point ? We deserved that goal, neither team really deserved to win, you could make an argument for either however unlikely.
Diaby played the ball for Van Persie.
Liverpool have played two games against them in a week, they’ve drawn both, pretty much in similar circumstances, Chelsea drew at Goodison as I think did United when they went there.
We can demand things all we like, they didn’t even come out and attack us like last season or at The Emirates in the first half, they are a disciplined and well organised team who with a lead or even holding out for a draw seem to be quite resolute.
The only dissapointing thing is that Cahill the plum got himself injured when they’ve got Unite don the weekend, I remember them going to Old Trafford last season defending for their lives for almost the whole game getting a good well worked goals and then Pienaar gave them the game with one of the most shockingly bad penalty box decisions ever.
Hi Keyser!
1. Vela grew up in the Mexican system. He has demonstrated his ability to smile through physical teams.
2. What’s the point of having width if we don’t create? We need a creative spark in the centre of the park and Nasri is the only one who can do it.
3. Vela and Ramsay are ahead of Wilshere, true, but Bendtner is not on the midfield queue – he should be in the forwards queue.
Good point on the number of games I have been sure of winning – the last one was against the spuds!
we played basically 4-5-1, everton played 4-6-0, it resulted in a game consisting of very few chances, and a battle founght almost completely in midfield, which neither team could win. We were not better than everton, nor were everton better than us, we were very evenly matched, and I’ve never seen a game where a draw was more of a fair result!
we didn’t create enough pdt, but noone has been able to create against everton recently. Today was crying out for an arshavin, or even a theo to come on and break through. I was very surprised vela didn’t come on, but again i guess it was down to ade’s height. I genuinly think we would have created twice as many chances if vela or bendtner were in for ade though, everytime we tried to build an attack he’d miscontrol it when it came to him, one of the worst performances i’ve seen from him, though there have been alot this season
We need Vela to play on the left ffs. I am an Arsenal fan not an Arsene Wenger fan…
And history CLEARLY SHOWS that if we play Nasri in the middle and Vela on the left….We are more creative and more succesful than playing Denilsong in the midfield.
That in mind….Arsene’s persistence with DEnilsong and Diaby in the middle only shows the lack of Ambition Wenger seems to want to drive this team into the toilet.
i dunno pdt. Bendtner is most effective when playing a deep lying role, i like him recently coming in on the right in a 4-3-3, see alot of promise with that, wouldn’t mind starting the odd game with it.
I’d like to see vela and bendtner start against cardiff and tear them apart
A, I appreciate your commitment to Wenger and reasoned response, but I don’t agree.
Vela should not be competing with Ade/RvP. He should be playing in Nasri’s position and Nasri should be playing in Cesc’s position (till Cesc is back). Maybe RvP can fill that position, but we haven’t seen any evidence of it so far. We do know that Nasri can play there and play well there.
Wenger is experimenting here, and he knows his experiment isn’t having blockbuster results. He should really be trying something different but he hasn’t.
A
That is odd…Cuz i could swear on my Granny that Nasri was an Offensive Mid for OM so why wont he be able to play in the middle?
i think bringing in arshavin will help nasri no end. Just as rosicky and hleb helped each other interlinking and roaming around, they’ll be able to create more with someone else helping carry the load. Eduardo might also help them, as when ade is in the mood he’s been in recent weeks he’s more of a hindrance than they opposition defenders to our passing moves
There is no point putting Wilshere on the bench if he isn’t given minutes.
All this stuff about Everton being overly negative is untrue. We just don’t have the ability to play anything other than lateral passes so by the time we actually try to move the ball on they have got back into position.
The passes and space was there to exploit with the right quality of player but this side doesn’t have it.
he was david, just as hleb was, rosicky was, pires was, and even freddie was before he came to us. That’s all in a contintental system, with two midfielders behind them. nasri could play centrally, but only if ade was dropped
!!!!!!
A said something good about my man Theo!
PDT :
1. Sorry, but the Mexican system does no prepare anyone for the Premiership.
2. I can understand the need for a creative spark, but with a packed midfield and Fellaini roaming around it’s still not going to be easy, Nasri moved to the middle still means someone less effective on the wing.
3. Thrown on late in a game when there is less need for shape or as players tire, Bendtner, especially on recent performances, has been effective, he’s got the experience and the goals to go along with it, Wilshere will get his chance.
Ade is a large part of the problem.
Here’s the team I would play when Dudu is back.
ALmunia (I really wish we could find someone else)
Sagna-Toure-JD-Clichy
Denilson-Nasri-Diaby-Vela
RvP-Dudu
This is a “good enough” team. Not a world class team, but one which we could pin our hopes on for taking us to fourth place.
paulinho the point is they didn’t try and attack, or create anything either, they were very negative, though a top arsenal team would have been able to pull them out of position and break them down still, we couldn’t today, just as liverpool and chelsea have been unable to do….
wilshere wasn’t on the bench today….
pdt i’ve never seen vela play well in a 4-4-2, whenever he’s done well out wide for us it’s been with us chasing a game, throwing everyone forward. Starting there is a completely different kettle of fish, much more defensive responsibility, and options. I’ve seen vela play maybe 5/6 times left mid in 4-4-2, and i’ve never seen him have a good game, whereas in 4-3-3 when he has more space and freedom, he’s exceptional.
nasri likewise has only played centre mid for us when we’re throwing everything forward chasing a game. Like hleb, he can play there, but with one up front, so he can be more advanced and exploit the space in the hole, rather than being nullified in a congested midfield
BTW, Denilson is better than Diaby who is much better than Eboue, who is much, much, much better than Song!
Just for the record…..
A, I would say that if the opposing team is playing 4-6-0 and we need the three points as deperately as we did, then we are, indeed, chasing the game.
PDT
Spot on…he should be trying something different but he hasnt and he’s not because as i said…Lack of Ambition/Concern….awful pathetic stubborn pride and persistence with a failing strategy.
Denilsong will never create anything period. And id rather play Eboue on the right than playing Denilson there because Eboue would at least facking give us Van Persie free kicks.
The only thing Denilson gives on the right is the facking ball!
Yes…Wenger is our most succesful manager….but why does he persist with a clearly failing strategy/players??????????????????????????
How many games do we have to be absolutely facked before he adjusts???
PDT,
Brisbane australia.
It was 6am when the game started for us.
and i wish i had slept in. Most games are generally arounf 12am to 330am in the morning.
we’ll have arshavin pdt
i’d like –
—–almunia
sagna–jd–gallas–clichy
——-denilsong
bendtner–nasri–arshavin
———vp
*desperately
The basic problem with Ade…and RVP…is the Wenger system…they are looking to pass instead of attacking the defense….for instance..when was the last time any of our attackers actually successfully delivered on a fast break?
Lol, nice team but ure dreaming A
No Ade? Pffftt as if Wenger would do that and no Eboue eithee
A, I don’t have your level of faith in bendtner…..maybe its the boots or the hair but he seems to believe he is better than he is.
i disagree pdt, a draw against everton isn’t a bad result, though it isn’t a good result obviously.
With their recent form, and strength in midfield we could easily have got bullied out of the game. As it was our midfield we very solid gave as good as they got against a very strong and aggressive everton midfield, and they scored from their first chance of the match which ruined our game plan, but because of the quality of the opposition we couldn’t chase the game as we have recently at home, going to 4-2-4, because we could then get battered.
Beautiful part of the world to be in, Rob!
he’s been exceptional imo in the last 4/5 games pdt when coming on as sub, he won us the games against bolton and hull, and was very sharp when he came on today.
i dunno rob, we’ll see! I really think ade could end up playing a bit part role if we can get arshavin and return to form, maybe i am dreaming though
Rob….i hear you guys are experiencing heat waves the kind that can cook an egg out in the sun!
A, that is precisely the crux of the problem. Everyone in the EPL and CL has figured out how we play. They come in knowing we are going to pass the heck out of them. So, they pack the midfield, 10 men behind the ball, get in a few fierce tackles in the first half hour – Wenger should know that this is how most teams will play against us. A great coach creates new tactics to stay ahead of the game. What innovations have we seen in the last four years? A larger number of headed goals – yes. Long balls – yes. But have we gotten better at crosses? Do Clichy and Sagna practice crossing? Does Ade know how to make a turn with the ball at his feet in the penalty box? What is our team learning?
i dunno david, i think vp can be very creative, but ade doesn’t have the capabilities to actually do anything when he drops deep and tries to pass, he needs to be aiming to get on the end of moves, as he’s useless deep
When teams come out to defend and play for a draw, we have to be able to play percentage football.
A
I admire your optimism…but Bendtner is shite.
Memory serves me correct Van persie won us the game at hull.
I’m off – gotta work. Keyser and A – I hope you guys are right and we will be great again and soon!!
pdt i think we’re just missing one creative player. As it is nasri is our only creative midfielder, so they can just double mark him and prevent him getting the ball in areas he can do damage. With two of those types of players we’ll have double the options.
VP is currently dropping very deep to help out but it still isn’t working
clichy and sagna don’t have the technique to kick the ball properly, so will never be great crossers of the ball. I said that about a month ago and got attacked by everyone on this board for slagging off our two best players of recent times!
nah david, bendtner completely changed the game, dropped deep picked the ball up, created the space and moved the hull defence all over the place, he was the one who gave the ball to vp before the pass to nasri, and then scored the third. Things changed completely with the change of formation and bendtner’s introduction though
PDT Says:
January 29, 2009 at 1:51 am
Wenger should know that this is how most teams will play against us. A great coach creates new tactics to stay ahead of the game. What innovations have we seen in the last four years? A larger number of headed goals – yes. Long balls – yes. But have we gotten better at crosses? Do Clichy and Sagna practice crossing? Does Ade know how to make a turn with the ball at his feet in the penalty box? What is our team learning?
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You deserve a standing ovation for this. These are world Class questions i would love for Wenger to Answer.
night pdt
nice debating, and we are right, we’ll be great again very soon!
A
I disagree. Hull gave the ball away cheaply on a counter attack and we were balls off our socks lucky because they came out of their shell which allowed Nasri to be free by himself on the left.
Bendtner had absolutely nothing to do with it at all.
And the 1-2 for the third was all Van Persie’s work…because Bendtner had the chance to cut it back to R.V.P twice in that game but both times decided to shoot it str8 to the keeper for an easy save.
You have to digg deep to tell me Bendtner won that game for us not even close.
bendter was the one that gave the ball to vp, and the defence had been dragged out left david. The whole make up of the game changed when bendtner came on, he kept dropping deep and creating things, we we much more dangerous in general when he came on…. I’m far from the only person who things he was quality in the last few games. He should be starting ahead of ade imo, who has been attrocious for a good while
anyways, my bed time now too
lets hope to wake up to news to news of arshavin’s imminent arrival!
I am one of tose you speak of A. I too think Bendtner has vastly improved in the last few games.
Denilson is garbage. O gosh…Setanta is showing the replay…and im watching this twit give away the ball and cuz stupid fouls.
That Arteta free-kick couldve easily been Everton’s first goal if Van Persie hadnt saved our skin (again)
Bendtner ……..is………a ……………legend!
Well that’s a bit premature admittedly but he definitely will be great if certain things go the right way.
If its side to side passing thats all we practice we cant even do that one right because we do it so slowly with no intelligence. Its sad. It really is. And i like clichy but why is he always on the receiving end of disaster?
Yes Stu
Those pink boots are legendary. Thats about it!
Which free kick is that?
I also dont rate Denilson but i am willing to give him the benifit of the doubt over Song.
I will admit that at the beginning of the season I wanted Song as DM ahead of anyone else but obviously my mind has been changed following his performances and attitude.
There is a theory that Clichy is so important to the team and such a leader by setting example that whenever he fucks up the team goes into shock and we concede as a result. He was after all called Mr.consistency a lot last season.
I agree with the attitude. But Song is a better defender than Denilson. I used to think Denilson’s passing was Robin if Cesc was Batman but he cant pass for shite anymore. And he lacks intelligence…at least Song defends. He has to be the worlds most talentless Brazilian i have seen.
I am talking bout the first half freekick the stupid foul on the left corner that Denilson commited which led to Van persie heading it away for a corner. That was a really stupid foul…worse than anything ive seen from Song…and you know Song commits blond dumb fouls
David, i know a few Liverpool fans that would disagree with you there. My bestmate thinks Lucas is their Eboue. Always plays ahead of beter players and rarely does the right think.
Dont recall that free kick, my stream was probably down at the time.
Is that what explains our shocking meltdown with the spurs???
I dont think so. Its cause Gallas decided to ball watch. Nobody tracking back chasing the attacker.
I think we need a new CB and a younger CB like JD….Kolo has lost it all…and Gallas thinks he’s a striker apparently.
I rate Lucas Far many million times than Eboue or Denilosn.
And dont eat me alive…but i prefer Eboue on the right that Denilson….as i said…he does give us those R.V.P freekicks….Denilson gives….the ball away?
I agree, preferable I would have neither there but Eboue is a better option on the right. Denilson is hopeless there because he has no pace what so ever, but at least he gives his all as opposed to Eboue who does most things wrong and cheats his arse off.
Clichys slip against spurs can be put down to lack of options. He was facied with a dilema, try beat Lennon (i think) or pass to Song who was about 3 yards away and being marked. IMO its a combination of lack of options, poor defending, shit defenders and luck.
Song gave Clichy no room, imo should have easily stopped the progressing Jenas, Gallas or Silvestre should have closed the shot down and Jenas had a huge slice of luck to score from there.
I agree with most of what you said Stu
But I play RB now….and i also did in high school…so i know a thing or two about defending….Clichy shouldve just shielded the ball by turning his back…or done what silvestre does…
“When in doubt…Shoot it out”
Song takes part of the blame…but ultimately clichy shouldve delt with the ball thats why it all comes down to experience…and seeing as he is more experienced than song it was absolutely shocking.
If off for guitar lessons…i’ll be back in an hour or so…seems like your always on here at this time…
Im*
keyser
not unless diaby’s number is 2 ! clichy made the assist to RVP !
did you even watch the game ?
they dominated the 1st half ,if you were to put down on paper who deserved to win and created more clear cut chances it was them ..
As ever, we couldnt break them down , long ball tactics and crossing to no one ensured we where never in the hunt ..
and my point still remains if you think it was a good result , then you arent aiming very high are you ..
it was a MUST 3 points for us !
that was the dedication we needed ,
not oh, oh hum
that was a fair game …
this game hi-lights without a doubt our weaknesses .. a year or 2 ago you would have been shocked by anything else other than 3 points 4 us !
to say we were as good as Everton on the day
is no complement at all ! do you get my point now ?
its about you being complacent with our teams worsening condition .
Ya David, i agree. I think a lot of people forget that Clichy is one of the most senior members now. At about 24/25 he has been around quite a bit. He and Toure are the only ones from the invincibles left.
Our starters arent even all that young either, its just that they are in vital areas and mainly average players at best.
Sagna, Toure, Gallas, Clichy, Eboue, RVP, Ade : All mid to late 20s and all have a fair bit of experience.
Even at 22 Diaby has been here for a while but never got going. Although Cesc is still only 21 he has been in the first team for 4 years already.
Also Rosicky is late 20s, Eduardo is 25. All these players are around the same age that a lot of our invincibles were at. All we need is quality with experience.
Almunia, Eboue, Ade do not represent that imo. And Silvestre or Gallas are what we need at the club either. They are both well past their best imo. Major changes are needed to have a squad capable of competing on all fronts now, not in5years time.
When you consider that Everton have held title challengers its not a horrible result. But as you say Ethan, considering we used to thump them ona regular basis and they were a easy 6points its a shit result. Also considering that we needed to win to even stay close to the top and catch Villa.
However, having said that it shouldn’t matter how others did there. We should only be concerned with how WE do there. We should be beating teams like this but we definitely didnt deserve to win after such a poor performance in desperate times.
Well i think it is obviously clear the board are not ambitious now or in the near future….we want to sell Cesc for 50 million because Wenger had it right we are a “selling club”
This is not a sports team anymore…Its a business that is out to Milk every dime out it can possibly get.
To make the board richer and Arsene’s pockets fatter.
I have one question though. What do we have 2 billionaires on our board for if we are so obsessed with making money? Is it not Abramovich’s money that funded chelsea’s tittles???
What the fack is Kreonke and Usman for?
lol I actually seem to recall hearing something along the lines of Abramovic hasn’t actually given any of his own money to them and has just taken out loans to fund their spending sprees.
Dont know the full story but if that’s true then Chelsea are well and truly fucked if he leaves.
hahahahaha…..I dont believe it. A billionaire taking out loans…well…that has truly got me speechless.
We have 2 billionaires. One is actually freaking russian…and reportedly “loves Arsenal like a man loves a woman”
Well i dont know…but i make sure i buy my lady stuff when she needs it. I know i would if i was a billionaire.
lol
I just hope he doesnt tease us with his money, fuck us up the arse and fuck off leaving us alone and broken.
lol
Hey my philosophy is there a bad boys and there are good guys….women have the luxury of choosing who they want.
Anyway, im going to sleep.
Hopefully when I awake Arshavin will be an Arsenal player, or at least have agreed everything.
You know what is odd???
I think if we had 4 minutes we wouldve won the game…because we started playing with a sense of urgency i havent seen from arsenal alll facking season…even Ade was pressing hard for the ball…and Bendtner was amazing as welll….its amazing what a goal does to a shite crappy piss team like ours.
we are ARSENAL, not Arsene.
ONLY WHEN THE TIDE GOES OUT DO WE DISCOVER WHO HAS BEEN SWIMMING NAKED – WARREN BUFFET
How many of us are willing to bet this on Arsenal?
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was a must win…………..
totally agree david
they showed more spirit in the last 3 minutes of the game than they did for the regulation 90 minutes ….
thats the consistancy issues we have …
anyone who watched the game could see that , thats why anything else other than 3 points is a failure to launch .
we have some catching up to do with bad fixtures at the end of the season , so getting all the points we can now is paramount !
saying we played no worse than a crap team played, doesn’t cut it for me !
we missed 2 points last night .. and the second we come up against a ‘marginally average team’ , this team currently struggles …
also where has our beautiful football gone ?
This is gnarleygeorge9 coming to you from the coast
We are currently enduring a heat wave of epic proportions here, & after giving a spuds fan, out here on hols, a good hammering in the pub on Monday night about how shit they are & we will finish top 4, I feel as cold as after this mornings performance, oh, apart from the last 2 minutes
ethan your words about ade are ringing in my head, he was hopeless this morning, & needs a good rocket up him.
Anyway, I’m off now for a swim in the surf so, stay cool , well I spose that is easy for those back in pommy land
I want 6 points from the west ham & spuds games.
Has arswaxin signed?
Gnarely…..Like the way you’re rubbing it in……haha……6 points mandatory from the next 2….we’re slipping away slow but sure
RVP’s goal
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2022270/
GG9
you sound excited !
???
was the spuds fan a female per chance
you know we will forgive you if you ended up getting laid out of it !
you know what they say … ive never been to bed with an ugly chick , but ive sure woke up with a few !
where r u gg9 ? the gold coast ?
or better ???
We are not going to break our wage structure. We have enough quality to maintain the title challange. Cesc, Theo, Dudu and Rosicky coming back are like new signings. We are not unduly worried. We have character, determination, resilience, which no other team has. We have ambition. We always are tactically very good, very intelligent. We have a good squad.
I AM ARSENE WENGER.
Wenger Still Cautious Over Arshavin
Thu 29 Jan, 07:09 AM
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger believes the deal to bring midfielder Andrei Arshavin to the Emirates Stadium is “90 per cent completed” but admits the final 10 per cent is the most difficult.
The Gunners chief had just seen Robin van Persie blast an injury-time equaliser last night at Goodison Park, with Everton on the brink of victory following Tim Cahill’s 100th career goal.
But with a vital point in the bag for the battle for fourth spot, Wenger revealed that the Arshavin deal is still in the balance.
He said: “There is nothing new on Arshavin, I have been concentrating on the game and not taking calls.
“But the deal is maybe 90 per cent completed. However, the final 10 per cent of any deal can be the most difficult.
“Maybe in the next two days. In this kind of job it can be difficult at this stage because people can change their minds completely.”
arsnal kenya When I saw the score line on the sky news ticker the voice of AW started to echo WE HAD COURAGE INTELIGENCE TO BREAK WE WERE COMMITTED..THE TEAM IS AMBITOUS. or (CAZ I DIDN’T WATCH LAST NIGHT) WE WERE TIRED A BIT
Abd when I saw the sports news on sky (and they didn’t bothered to show goals) AW’s post match interview was same as I thought…5 points differnece is hell to cover up
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Hi Henry and welcome, you are free to blog now!
nice name henry !
we could of done with a player like you last night !!!
in fact im not sure why we ever got rid of you in the first place !
ive been made to suffer regarding king ade the 14.5 ….
to go from grace and sublime skill to a circus clown minus the red nose , its been a hard fall ..
hopefully this arshavin thing will be wrapped up soon and we can see RVP – arshavin up top …with dudu as back up and nik b as super sub ..
and ade as money in the bank ! because its coming mark my words !!! ade will be sold !
That sitter against Cardiff comes to mind……it’s fresh……imagine wouldn’t have had a replay….sigh!!
I hope he is ethan, lazy fook.
here no arsene…useless talking no new thing take a big banner to the grove in home match against west ham and with BIG ENOUGH LETTERS ON IT THT SAYS
SONG SUCK FOR GOD SAKE SEND HIM BACK TO CAMEROON
Just read through some of the comments during & after the match, I can’t believe people were being so critical. I assume those people were so deluded to begin with that they actually thought we could go to Everton & win with a team like we have at present.
As I said yesterday Everton have a better defensive unit, which they actually work on. Their midfield last night was the strongest they could possible field & has a lot of variety. Everton’s midfield was so superior to ours & whilst they had no strikers as such they had Cahill who is probably one of the most clinical players around.
All in all a draw however undeserved cannot be regarded as a poor result. It keeps us in a uefa cup position which is all we deserve & also keeps Everton 5 points behind us, they have to go to Man Utd on Saturday so we stand a good chance of being 7-8 points clear of them.
We have this thing GMR where we hope to win and when you see Song in the line up you know it won’t happen.
GMR – A draw last night was a decent result coz right now we are fucking terrible!
Then again a draw last night was a bad result because we are Arsenal! And we should be challenging for honours, not the Uefa Cup.
People saying they are happy that we could be 7-8 points clear of Everton can do nothing other than illustrate how far from greatness we have drifted under Wenger’s guidance in the last year!
I hear ya.
Moyes said “It shows how far we have come to be disappointed with a draw against Arsenal”
I think it’s more indicative of our decline that I was happy with a draw at Everton.
More worryingly, West Ham were fucking terrific last night, albeit against a poor Hull side.
Well we have that to look forward to then!
Also, and this isn’t directed at anyone, but I don’t like it when people say we shouldnt be calling for Wenger’s head. I personally want him to turn things around for himself. I dont think any fan would want him to go mid-season, if at all, and Wenger needs to know how angry the fans are with his performances!
The fans are the only people that can let Wenger know that he is doing a bad job. Yesterday’s comments only served to prove that the board will never say a bad word about him because he is making money for them. So if his boss’ are making sure standards are met then the only people left are the fans.
Tony – being 7-8 points from Everton is all we can hope for with this squad. We are lightyears away from the other top 3 clubs right now, however Villa for all that money spent are hardly world beaters.
My point remains that nobody on here or any other site could name a midfield that Wenger could have started last night that would’ve been good enough to beat Everton. They have better players than us right now & everybody can see that. Man Utd went there with a better team than us & only drew.
Sorry, I meant “So if his boss’ AREN’T making sure standards are met then the only people left are the fans”.
Before last nights game there were a lot of people on here who said they would take a point. Also quite a few who said we would lose. we got a draw against a team that the bindippers can’t beat at home with thier full team.
2 weeks ago wenger was quoted as saying we are 2% away from being a world class side.Or did i misread that ?
GMR – How about a midfield of:
Vela Nasri Denilson RVP
with Bendtner and Ade up top?
I think we lacked creativity. The reason we became invincibles and won numerous trophies was because of our philiosophy that the best form of defence was attack. Wenger seems to have totally abandoned that way of thinking. People were worried we wouldn’t be able to handle Arteta’s creativity. Why didnt we give their defensive unit something to worry about. Playing that midfield last night meant that about 6 of Everton’s most defensive players had a fairly comfortbale night.
We are not managers so I guess this could be debated all day but I just think we lined up far too defensively which actually made things worse.
In fairness Evrton are notoriously hard to beat and we have taken 4 points off them this season.
TA, we’ve lacked creativity all season which is why we have struggled to beat shit teams even at home. 1-0 home wins over the likes of Pompey, Wigan, WBA, Fenerbache etc just paper over the cracks. We didn’t even create many chances in all of the games i mention.
Which is why we need Arshavin.
Listen when you have players like Song and Eboue who are fist choice we will win nothing, Denilson is a hard worker but he’s not world class and Almunia is not in the Spanish set up, so why is he in ours?
RVP has played on the wing for us before & I can’t remember him ever being that good at it. That midfield you named would be walked over by more experienced & much stronger players as Everton have.
Can you tell me when Bendtner & Adebayor have ever played well together because once again I certainly cannot recall it.
Remember when we played team and had shots, when we lost our first home game at the Grove we had 29 to their 1. How many can you remember last night eh?
Steve – Agreed. I think the sooner we get back to playing offensive, fast counter attacking football the better. It seems to be that Wenger hasn’t shosen to play like this since Thierry left. Ihope that doesn’t mean he is basing his play around the likes of Adebayor now!
In all honesty, when the injured players return and with the hopeful signing of Arshavin (which I don’t think will transpire) we could be somewhere near getting back to our best. But by the time that happens everyne will be on their summer holidays.
Morning Goons;
Thought 1st half we were by our ‘now’ standards, ok. We battled & had some organisation. 2nd half, wtf happened, we were a mess in most parts.
Adebayor has had a reality check…HEY PAL,IF YOU’RE READING……YOU’RE A QUARTER OF THE PLAYER YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE…
We didn’t even really dominate Plymouth to the extent we should have done Geoff. Their goalkeeper barely had to make a save until the 2nd half.
Geoff, that my point, this team isn’t good enough & you can blame Wenger for that. However, you’d have to be deluded to believe any of his available players last night were good enough to beat Everton.
Usually I get really pissed off when we don’t win, but it was just so obvious we wouldn’t yesterday that I cannot see why anyone has got so upset by it.
Watch out guys Arsene says Everton might win the league…. Get that man in a straight jacket
i am sorry every time i see the arsenal squad i cant see that many top class players in the team the complete lack depth in the squad which due wengers refusel buy players, arsenal are top teamand they need top players, i realy feel delinson,diaby,ramsey,song,vela should be on the bench and realy they should be at 3/4 top class players in midfield and you bring these young players gradualy they will have the chance to learn from the top class players which is what fergi has done, wenger has done once a player reaches 30 will only get 1 year contract and if they wont tahn more that they can leave which is huge mistake ed you need your experiened players.it becomming more apparent that wenger is not going change his policy and if the fans want things to change they have to vote with there feet because as long as wenger continues with his policy the team wil win nothing
GMR – I know where you are coming from and Ade and Nikki B certainly wouldn’t be an ideal choice. But I think the more creative and problem causing players we have on the field the less time it gives them to have a pop at our leaky defence. Wenger not only went on the super defensive last night, but he did it with 1 amazingly bad and 2 very average players all in the same midfield.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that I personally would have fielded strong attacking players rather than 3 piss poor defensive players.
We don’t need a major overhaul, just look at a team like Barcelona they were poor last season but they bought a few new players in the summer & it’s transformed them, even though most of the new signings cannot get a look in. Suddenly players like Yaya have gone from average to excellent, thats what we need a new injection of players & some competition for places.
I understand that people are very upset and it is not my intention to provoke anyone but to single out Song for special victimisation is unjust to say the least. Song, very frustratingly gave the ball away more than we have the right to expect from a professional footballer playing for Arsenal but Song gave the ball away no more than Denilson, Adebayor or Diaby and even Sagna is struggling with one of the most fundamental of tasks: crossing the ball.
The only ray of hope that I can see shining is that each of those players mentioned above will be replaced with Eduadro, Walcott, Fabregas and Rosicky and I remain optimistic over the Arshavin deal.
Im so happy for West Ham Zola particularly. Nice guy trying to do the right things at the club.
Leon – Exactly! Wenger’s stance on not signing experience players because it will kill the youth is terrible! How are our young players meant to flourish when they have no one to mentor them and guide them in the right direction. They have no one to look up to.
Just look at what experienced role models our youth had to look up to: Adams, Campbell, Vieira, Parlour, Gilberto, Bergkamp, Henry.
Denilson aint good enough for this level yet
Song would never be good enough
Diaby would not make it at Arsenal at this rate
Adebayor is such a lucky fucker doubling his pay
Sagna at his age would never learn how to cross
Arsene has taken us as far as he can
I like West Ham and Zola too Franchise. I’ve never minded them as a club and after beating Spertz in lasagnagate and hearing their fans singing “4-2 to the Arsenal” after that game gave me goosies. We even reciporacated with a rendition of bubbles at Highbury that day.
They looked quality last night though, worrying for Saturday.
London the trouble is Song does it in every game, that’s why I single him out, he doesn’t do it on purpose he’s just not a good player.
Tony – I agree with you, my choice would be to see Vela & Co & hope that our attacking play would see us through. I just knew Wenger wouldn’t do that though, if you read my comments before yesterday’s game I said Wenger would care more about not losing that actually winning.
He wanted to keep the unbeaten run going so the confidence isn’t completely killed again. Whilst a draw obviously isn’t what we need right now he probably thinks getting 5 points back on one of the teams above isn’t impossible. Everton away was probably the hardest away game we had left apart from the obvious ones like Man Utd etc.
London:
I don’t rate Song as good enough for Arsenal, although I can tell you from good authority the inner circle do. However, 1st half by his standard he was ok. 2nd half he lost it as did many others.
Adebayor was fucking hopeless.
Our club is in a serious mess starting UPSTAIRS…FISZMAN HAS FUCKED UP BIGTIME.
I like Diaby, sorry.
I like Diaby as well. He just needs to gain some experience & it would benefit him to have an older player to learn from. He has so much ability on the ball.
If Bergkamp & Vieira were still around he become an amazing player. Especially with the likes of Keown toughning him up.
GMR – Yeah I think you are probably right mate.
Geoff – Exactly. We don’t want to slate these players. But truth be told there are just not good enough. I’m not saying Song should be shot. I’m saying we, The Arsenal, deserve a lot more than someone like that running our midfield. If we went back 5 years and Wenger chucked Song into the middle of the park there would be fucking riots! So why is it acceptable now?
I’m about to post! No Pedro today. Brace yourselves.
It’d benefit him to play in his proper position.
defensive organisation is the key for this season
a lot of the ‘smaller’ teams are more organised now when compared to the 98-04 era
United have scored 39 goals and conceded 10
Chelsea ave scored 43 goals and conceded 13
Lpool have scored 37 goals and conceded 15
AVilla have scored 38 goals and conceded 24
Arsenal ave scored 38 goals and conceded 25
we have scored one less than Utd but conceded 2.5 times what they have conceded
sorry but if rasenal have 3-4 injuries they in trouble because they simply dont have enough top class players just up comming that need time to develop but sagna never seams to make any sistakes and always looks solid, the midfield needs at least 3 more players top class
you manu take pride in having such tight defence have not conceded in 10 games that is ausome
IMO it is good wenger makes money and the board have a financial plan for the club to be debt free and able to compete survive without a sugar daddy, look at chelsea in debt with an old squad that only have average players ready to replace them going to need shit loads spent before long and asbo is bored with this toy and the money it costs and wont pay to fix it.I agree that this should not be the Arsenal way but it serves the greater good in we will still be Arsenal while chelsea will be a bitch for some new millionaire
is this some kind of joke? Zenit are the people messing us around
http://footylatest.com/news/news.php?extend.3166
the problem is because arsenal have droped so many points they have put them selves wherethey have to win everything fron now till the end,there form since mancity has been pretty good but its just to many points droped,its just not lack experience its the complete lack depth in the team there only 3 top class players in the team and aint good enough is not realy enough goal poachers in fron of goal,not enough wingers, and because is not any realy midfield generals inthe team there is lack oragnisation and they concede to many goals,but if wengers does buy at 1/2 players the arsenal saeson ticket holders must all they can vote with feet and try get wenger out