Groundhog Day...
Morning Grovers! Oh, and happy new year from Pedro and Geoff our first joined at the hip post, we feel we need to do this because our Emperor has lost his clothes and his boss has lost his marbles.
Peter Hill-Wood, our bumbling Chairman has been talking with the Daily Star again (You would think a club as big as Arsenal would use a paper more serious than a morning wank rag to leak stories), and the news is familiar in an almost Ground Hog Day kind of way,
‘I don’t think there is a lot of money anywhere’
‘One has got to look ahead – in the future there is probably not going to be much more money coming in’
‘We have got money, but I am not sure we are going to spend it. We’ve got to continue to run the business in a sensible way’
‘It may sound boring, but we are not going to rush out and spend fortunes on people who won’t help us achieve anything better than where we are at the moment’
‘Arsene has a lot of young, talented players at the club and I think he will probably give a chance to one or two of them’
Peter, we all understand global economics and the problems you are facing at the moment, but we haven’t seen anything other than prudent spending in the transfer market in the last 5 years. If you were so keen on being prudent, how come our wage bill topped £100million last year?
If we continue with this talented youngsters theme we will not qualify for the Champions league and people will not renew their boxes or season tickets. What you fail to understand is that we’re all fed up with the experiment, when will you all see it won’t work? What supporters want is to see new and exciting players bought, like the Bergkamp’s, the Pires’s, the Henry’s the Charlie Nicholas’s, that is what football is all about, when Beckham signed for Milan the crowds turned out, when Ronaldo signed for Madrid the same thing happened, fans want to see stars, not players like Alexandre Song, you need to wake up, because the new young crop of supporters won’t come to Arsenal because their dads do, they’ll go to teams that have ambition, the only ambition Arsenal seem to have is to pay off the mortgage double quick.
You aren’t being prudent, you’re being naive, if you were being prudent you wouldn’t pay the kids over the odds wages or charge us a fortune to get in, you will lose support, we don’t even play attractive football any more, the last three games have been like the old Arsenal of the early 80′s so wake up before you kill the Goose that lays the golden egg.
If you and Wenger don’t think there are players out there than can improve this team you both need to think hard about your positions, you are killing this club with your misguided rhetoric.
Act before we lose all that has been built up, because if you don’t, you’ll firstly lose the fans and secondly lose the decent players we do have because make no mistake, they want to win trophies as much as we do.
You have less than a month, don’t be a prat.
Le Grove is now smart phone compatible!
Pedro
Geoff
OOH2B
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_4731970,00.html
NOT WHAT WE WANT TO START THE DAY WITH..NO MONEY FOR TRANSFERS -
Ive been pumping this out for the last 18 months.
Maybe I’ve been well informed all along. Club are playing a very dangerous strategy here.
1st??
podium?
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bang on Geoff/Pedro
Morning Geoff/Pedro – good read, and like you I dont think PHW would speak to the Daily Star, its all pap crap to slander us – and let them get on with it i say,
AW and PHW – show us fans how much money the club has in the way of 2/3 players and start today.
Posted earlier that it seems that all the in house stuff is being sorted out first, Simpson, LJ and then hopefully Theo. At the same time though, honestly, I believe the new man(can never remember his name), stan and arsene are getting things moving for new players
Morning Grovers……..
Pedro….here’s a question….what if Wenger and Hill-Wood are saying this to throw clubs off our targets?
Rico, PHW always uses the Daily star… he used it yesterday as well.
Geoff/Pedro – is that a little crack i can see on Le Champ…. ? Do you reckon someone is trying to get in there …………
Morning Guys.
Once again your message is clear & our fears appear to have foundation.
WTF are he Board doing ?
Is Wenger 100 % party to this policy ? (I;m reliably told he is & won’t rock the boat )
If no proper recruits are brought in this month then it’s time for us to turn on these ditherers & they have taken our money with false promise.
Iceman, doubtful… we’ve been suspecting that theory falsely for about 8 years!
I don’t expect to do a City and have the club start mouthing off about paying over the odds for players because its the Arsenal spend bonanza but some of the statements coming out of the club are a bit worrying.
Whats wrong with saying “The manager makes the decisions as regards who comes in and who goes out, we naturally will support whatever he wants to do”.
But instead Peter’s got to get his name in the papers.
Pedro – I saw all that stuff, are you saying that the Star is really his mouth piece, or are they just picking/making stuff up… I thought he would be a Times Man
i cant see phw is using this to throw clubs off our targets to be honest. if we sign maybe arshavin , given etc it will make phw look like a stupid idiot. i’m gutted but i reckon we will get a p[layer in on loan and thats it.
DG, it could cost Arsenal double £30million if they lose out on 4th this year… I don’t know what the game is? Newcastle are going on another splurge… Everton will probably spend, as will Villa, City, Spurs and the Hammers… yet Arsenal, the most profitable team in the Europe… are skint…. AGAIN!
It’s such a load of old bollocks.
Then if it’s true we’re kinda screwed….
They’re taking too many things for granted….if we don’t finish top 4 and no CL revenue it’ll be too late….
THIS IS BULLSHIT FROM PHW!!!
Where are you Usmanov??????
Buy Lady Nina’s shares and takeover…!!!
I thought this would be a positive year for Arsenal where we win the trebble but some cunts can’t stop ruining our club.
Rico, it really is his paper of choice! I can’t understand it! Danny uses the times… the players use the sun… and PHW uses a paper that is one level off being the Daily Sport.
By not spending, we are saying to the rest of the Prem that winning the league is not our goal
I hope hill wood is being a twat and not speaking the truth.
QOS:
Problem is this policy of destroying a unique side & going for youth has been going on for 4 years.
I doubt PHW’s comments are a smokescreen for the opposite.
I was catergorically told 10 days ago. We will not spend unless we sell first as NO Money will be used for transfers.
I am going to try and stay positive, if he said we cant spend big, maybe he means 30M on one player… yes, i am a fool
gday all,
welcome back to me, been off the air waves a bit in recent times.
Happy new year to you all!
so i see that same old-same old is going on with the transfer bollocks.
i also see the arseshaving rumour is back again – is there even 0.01% truth in it, or status quo as per last time?
Pedro – I am amazed, maybe its he ‘fish n chips’ paper
he = his
HNY Evo
Pedro:
We are saying WE ARE NOW A CLUB WITHOUT AMBITION !
We all appreciate the club has to be well run, especially in these times. But no investment will be even worst for the club, as you correctly state.
Let’s hope it’s just media crap and not true……..
Clearly Wenger said we’re short……..if he now comes out and says we’re promoting from within people will be like wtf…………
what happened to all the talk of the war chest available to Wenger? Such a load of bullshit.
Morning Geoff / Pedro,
I hope this is just a smoke screen……….I fully agree with PHW! ther really is no need to rush out and buy players that will not improve the squad.
Therefore, just get out there and buy some fucking players that will improve our squad and replace the current players that have lowered the standard of our play!!!
Cheap is expensive…..not buying will be more costly in future.
so Nordveit is back, anyone know if he is fit?
Toure wants to go – and he is rated at $10 mil, surely not? he is 28 in march. not many years left for him i would have thought?
Cripes, hang on there, I was just scrolling down the comments quickly,….&….yes, evo, Happy new mate
Who is advising the board? From a PR perspective they are so inconsistent and dishonest… it really is no way to run a top four football club.
*year
If there is no spending we wont be in the top four…
Pedro
The Club appears to be tin on the ground for football people, thats for sure.
Can I make myself clear here. I follow Arsenal Football Club, not Arsenal The Business.
Well said Pedro!
Best blog out there – for being passionate about this club but also willing to be rational about how things are!
*thin
happy new year gnarely – you looking forward to the blockbuster kick off in march?
can’t wait, me old blue bagger mate
time for a takeover anyone???
Morning all and HNY again
Rico – you had an early start, hope you feel better soon xx
For those of you who want to believe there is money I’m sure Danny Fizman will be along later to say that Arsene can have whatever he wants to spend on whoever he wants to buy.
I would suggest the current board members are only interested in their investment and not at all worried about Arsenal FC competing for honours.
should be a good one – judd vs cousins!
Sorry I’d rather wait until I hear it from the horses mouth before commenting. We all know what the Daily Star is like its the mouthpiece of Spuds.
PHW has said so many times that there is money available so why all of a sudden the change – doesnt make sense to me.
Great Post Pedro/Geoff.
If this is true, it is a serious blow to OUR club. What a shit way to start the day, and it says reams about PHW that he spills his guts to the Star. What a joker.
How is it that only the management of our club cannot see what a mess we are in? This squad is not good enough.
Very soon we will see empty seats at THOF, because the football we are playing is boring rubbish. No excuses from AW for this …. It is not good enough.
morning peaches, i like that theory, and thanks
So if I read between the lines, I see no big signings coming our way, & its only Jan 2.
Hey you OZ boys. Stuffed at home by the ‘Boks, !Now you know how it feels !!
Kelsey – George Graham
Big Raddy – John Radford
GG9 – Charlie George
The ’71 Double winners are starting to get some serious representation on here now
Rico, are you back to full fitness yet? Your chickens need you
I can live with being beaten by the Yarpies every 100 years, but not by the Poms ever. Losing to the MCC/England hurts I must admit.
Freddie, PHW always uses the Star… he used it yesterday as well.
Okay Kitch, when was your first comment then eh?
yeah ponting stuffed up his captaincy on day 3 of the last test. that was easily the worst captaincy ive seen from any countries captain in any test ive watched!
Well said GG.
I am reeling from the ineptitude of PHW. Money HAS to be found. I realise that we have players with potential, but they need guidance, Kolo and WG are patently unable to offer responsible adult inspiration. HOw can the coaching staff not see this ?
What a terrible message for PHW to send out. He is saying that we are a small club, and can no longer compete with the top 6. FFS Everton bought a £15m midfielder in summer, and are looking to spend. Even the Spuds are investing in their future.
Get the effing cheque book out…………..
Raddy I am now seriously considering not renewing my tickets, I’ve had enough of this shit.
The club are struggling for cash. They have been for a while (look at the current state of the squad)
Why is this a surprise to anyone?
Tony, look at the annual reports… we’re not struggling at all.
GG/Evo
It is sad when I rejoice in a Yarpies win. I don’t like them, especially their Captain – what a knob.
But England get stuffed wherever we play. The Ashes could be another humiliation for me, so I need to get a few blows in early…..
Raddy – No I am not yet, so annoying, today i have a balance problem as my ear is blocked, no driving for me, hooooorah, plenty of toddy’s…. Thanks, and you are right about the chicken, I am just cooking them some rice….
And that rice is for them to eat, not to accompany……
evo
ponting has a team of over the hill players like hayden, lee, & symonds, mingled with never will bes like Siddle, Clark & Hauritz.
I think we should be ready to protest if by the end of the window no-one has come in.
Morning everyone
what the f*ck is PHW saying talk about giving the football world a laugh he may as well sit outside on a saturday afternoon with the begging bowl out.
When you hear news like this the sharks circle at the end of the year Madrid,
& Barca will be in for Cesc at a cut price case & point with TH14.
Does our club mean anything to PHW & AW??? or are we faithful simply mushrooms kept in the dark & fed horse s*it?
I can’t cope with another rubbish transfer window, I really can’t!
Where are you Usmanov??????
Buy Lady Nina’s shares and takeover…!!!
If you believe the stories doing the rounds about Abramovic and his yacht. It is safe to assume that Usmanov has lost money too and will be more likely to unload rather than buy. £ 20 million for Arshavin is mainly agent and paper talk and unlikely to happen but I can see one or two extra players arrive but they are likely to be better than average journeymen ( Grimandi/ Garde ) types rather than established superstars.
rico – how many chickens have you got? I’ve never asked you about them – have you got a lovely garden for them to roam in? Are you in london?
I reiterate a point Geoff often makes “THE MOST EXPENSIVE TICKETS IN FOOTBALL”.
As a group of supporters what can we do to protest if this window brings no-one?
Morning QOS – fighting talk! HNY
Well said Geoff.
I can accept that the team has problems. I can accept (somewhat)the reasons for our plight. But what I cannot accept is that the club treat their fans like complete fools.
We are not naive, we have followed the team for decades, we KNOW that there are problems. And the management seem to think they can fob us off with the same trite nonsense over and over again.
There is a need for transparency. An acceptance of responsibility. These people guide OUR club, They are responsible to US, and yet they hide behind platitudes.
Especially Wenger. I am so disappointed with him this year. I always believed he was an honest man, but he has clearly lost the plot. Why can’t he tell us the truth. This team is struggling, it is not good enough. If he needs time to get back to winning ways – bloody say so !! The fans will back him, but they will not back his lame excuses. Most other managers would come out and say that a performance like Pompey was unacceptable and apologise to the paying fans.
What do we get …….. ? Nothing. Just a fat,old fool telling a disgrace of a paper that we have ‘no money to improve’. It is bollocks. Pure and simple bollocks.
Presumably Hill-Wood is Danny Fiszman’s mouthpiece and didn’t Danny tell us there was plenty of money. Enough for a single £30 million player if Arsene saw fit. Yes, there is a credit crunch but there is also something seriously wrong with the way the club is structured as we have, apparently, the 2nd largest wage bill after Chelsea. Even larger than Man Utd’s. Yet they continue to borrow to spend. Or so it seems. I wonder about our supposed fantastic reserve team. I am told they are all on serious wages but how many of them actually come through and make it into the 1st team on a regular basis? Very, very few. Cesc was bought in from abroad but who was the last home-grown player we produced who went all the way. It was Cashley wasn’t it? Perhaps its time to forget about our youth policy unless we have a football factory where the club earn money by selling them on. This blog is correct. Short-termism will get us nowhere. We simply have to improve this first team squad otherwise we will fall out of the top 4 and suffer the financial penalties and that, believe me, will be worse than where we are now as we will loose the decent players we have and will find it hard to attract the very players we are not in the market for now. This board makes no sense to me. They are forever harping on about how well they run the club and that they don’t need outside or foreign investment when it is blindingly obvious to everyone that some sort of financial injection is precisely what the club do need.
. . . . . . . but we have a lovely shiny stadium . . . . . . . .
Gnarley – agreed, however he couldnt have fought his way out of a wet paper bag on day 3 of that test. The saffas were there for the taking and he fucked up with shit field placings, poor bowling selections at times and he dropped a chance in slips that normal slips fielders gobble up for lunch
wake up before you kill the Goose that lays the golden egg !!!
Morning Grovers,
Read the words PHW said, not the headline.
He states we have money. 3rd Paragraph, starts “we have money”.
The 4th paragraph is what it is all about. he is stating the Wenger line, we wont buy crap. We wont buy for the sake of it. We wont buy players who are NOT as good as the players we have.
He also says “where we currently are”. So I take that to mean, the players we have available.
So, the way I read what he said, and not the headline is.
We have got money – GOOD.
We wont buy CRAP – GOOD – no more Songs
Would Arteta add to the squad? YES. He is better that what we have, so PHW is saying we can buy him.
Same for Arshavin, Hangerland or Upson or Green or Alonso.
The TRUTH is in the detail, dont fall for lazy journalism, read the detail, and make your own mind up.
Pedro/Geoff I am not so pessimistic.Bringinging in Upson,Given and Arshavin,and let go Bendtner,Song.and Gallas will bring the necessary balance to the Team
Besides we have Wilshir and Rambo nearly ready to be includded,with Eduardo and Walcot nearly recovered
Wish you and all the readeers a very Happy New Year
the point is why do they keep lying? one day they come out and say 30 million warchest shit..next day they are moaning about the financial crisis..
btw one positive story today..Jack has signed on professional terms..
http://youngguns.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/jack-wilshere-signs-first-professional-terms-with-arsenal/
HNY Peaches!
I think there are loads of things we can do to protest. I like the approach that TV Fan Clubs take when their favorite show in the States gets cancelled. When Quantumn Leap was killed off thousands of people sent in QL memorabilia into the network and when The Gilmore Girls was cancelled thousands sent in flowers to the network.
I’d favour sending in Old Arsenal shirts, either directly to the clubs press office or maybe to a specific media outlet. For example if hundreds or thousands of people sent in an old Arsenal shirt to TalkSport then for sure there would be lots of coverage, possibly even the opportunity for a spokesman (Geoff) to go and put the fans perspective.
Mark C .. I hafta hope u r rite !
evo
I must admit some of his decisions have been a bit
, but that team for the 2nd test was one of the worst to wear the baggy green since the Bobby Simpson era during World Series/Kerry paker cricket.
i cannot see the point of bringing in either upson or given? if you’re going to buy him you might as well have bought brad friedel and if you’ve comtemplated buying upson, just bring back sol campbell instead.
absolutely no point with either of those players….
Xeez.
Everyone is coming on here, and reading the headline the star came out with, and taking that as the TRUTH.
Read what PHW said.
We have money. We wont buy crap. He MAY use 1 or 2 young players. OK so that could be RAMBO and LJW.
Evo.GG
Your last posts are the only thing that cheers me today
Its simple: If we dont invest in quality, there is a huge chance of us slipping out of the top 4. The board wouldnt love this as there would be less money to sit and count all year long. Isnt it strange that we are looking at the bottom of the table for players? West Ham, Newcastle etc… Our decline is so depressing…:(
QoS
When the Gilmour Girls & Sex in the City were cancelled, men drank barrel loads of beer in pubs to celebrate
The early 80′s analogy is spot on. For Brady read Vieira and for Henry read Stapleton. Hill-Wood happily presided over what followed. Only the arrival of Dein in 1983 began to change things for the better, with Don Howe giving Rocastle his debut a year later and signing Steve Williams too. We strengthened every year and often during the year, until George G lost the plot in 2002. The one beacon of light at our club is Steve Bould, who I sincerely hope will be boss by 2011. I know the Usmanov thing is unsavoury, but this club needs to make its peace with David Dein asap – he knows football and he understands what Arsenal fans like to see on the pitch.
Please Arsenal board, stop this nonsense of saying that there is no money to buy. why? are u eating our money? stuppid business men.
Sorry Arsene Wenger, we have been harsh on you that you are stubborn you don’t want to buy players. now we can see that its not your fault.
The board is full of old men who have completely run out of modern ideas.
Please buy us two players in January; a tackling midfielder and a c lacy winger. failure to do that, step down and apologize.
What I am struggling to make sense of is the two ideas that are present. Pedro and Geoff advise us there is money. Seems like a sensible idea seeing as the accounts indicate we are healthy. PHW says we have no money. Could be true as the economy is poor and he is aware of the inside of the business. If we take the Geoff and the Pedro line then the question is why would they not spend. Do they really want us to fail and go out of the CL. Seems odd as the board are by and large real supporters and ones who do not take real money out of the club. Do they and Arsene really think the squad is good enough. Odd as injuries and previous statements indicate they think additions are needed. So this leaves playing the market. maybe they are after players but are not able to or willing to pay the asking price or wages. Possibly true in Arshavins case.
My money is on two signings. One will be in midfield. Possibly someone who can be creative and not an enforcer. The second will be and attcker and my money is still on Villa.
Have a great day
George G lost the plot in 1992, not 2002. These millennia are confusing me!
Mark, it is not jut today’s report (or non report) that pee’s me off. It is the attitude of the club to it’s fans.
We need leadership. Let PHW go on Arse,com and state what our objectives are. Not specifics. just a clear indication of where the Board see the future of the club., and how they are trying to achieve those aims.
We are Arsenal FFS. not some mickey mouse organisation. The club has some of the most loyal fans in the World and we deserve better…
great news about wilshire what a prospect he is now for the moan sorry guys but
WG is one of the highest paid players we have …. Get rid
Bendtner is simply not good enough…. See ya!
Eboue…. Ill come round and help you pack & im sure someone will drive you to wherever you want to go.
Diaby ….. dont panic west ham always take our cast offs
Song …. keep Diaby company
Rosicky ….. you being injured you may as well not be here.
Come on its not rocket science if this was the case in the summer why did we not accept the silly offers for ade…. oh yeah thats right there werent any.
Mark,
‘We have got money, but I am not sure we are going to spend it. We’ve got to continue to run the business in a sensible way’
Arsenal have been running with the same,’We’re not going to buy bad players’ line all year.
Who is asking the coach to buy worse players? Does he really think there aren’t better players than Song and Eboue on the market? He is deluded if that is the case.
Raddy – The Ashes will be won by the hosts this year, all the hype will be about Warnie (got my spelling right george) and England will come good just at the right time
peaches – just the two chicken, Lea and Perrin, the later is fondly know better as Reggie though – we dont have a huge garden, but quite a long good size one so we have had a fence put up two thirds down and they have now trashed it!! One started laying a couple of weeks ago, it was so eggciting
The eggs taste so diffent, and being a non meat eater, they get used pretty quickly.
We are not in London, which is why i dont get to as many games as i would like as it takes a whole day up
this not a big suprise to me wenger has never spend more than 20 milllion at any one time and i dont think thats going to change especaily now there paying for the new stadium, however i still expect to bit of busness but he will not be spending taht mush i will most likely just buy 1-2 players thats not a big suprise to me
Stevus. I think the Dein point is more than valid. This board got rid of Dein because of some stupid in-fighting political bullshit. The outed him because he wanted Kroenke on board. In other word they put their own little spat above the good of the club. This is not good practice and it has cost us. The odd thing is that Kroenke is now a board member to ward off the attentions of Usmanov who they don’t like because he is a friend David Dein’s. DD was an operator and a mover in shaker in the world of football. Getting rid of him was a really, really silly decision and detrimental in the extreme to the club.
Nice posts, Stevus and Dave T.
I notice that a good many people have a dig @ George Graham for his boring style, etc. But 2 things stand out for me with him
1. It was he who broke the drought of 18 long years, paving the way for Wenger with his solid back 4; &
2. There is one song that Arsenal fans sang proudly when George Graham’s team lifted a European trophy. “One nil to The Arsenal” & no one looked sad to be singing it either.
Time is running out for Wenger to lift a cup for The Arsenal in Europe & afterall, that is the one thing Wenger really wants.
Agreed about Dein.
He had so much influence on the modernisation of the club. His guiding hand has been desperately missed.
Pedro,
By stating that he wants to run the business in a sensible way. Is providing Wenger a weak squad sensible?
Dont think so.
Is finishing outside the top 4 sensible?
Dont think so.
I agree he should use arse dot com, to provide consistent messages to the fans, but that is what club chairman do.
to me, he is messge is, dont get carried away, we are not going to buy loads of players.
Only because we women, let them GG!
any team news for tomorrow night?
no live footage for us here, will have to stream it on the net im affraid!
Stevus
Arsenal lost one game in ’92 to win the League, won the F A & League Cups in ’93, & Cup Winners Cup in ’94(I think).
If GG lost the plot, then Arsena Wenger is well & truely in the cukoos nest.
Dave T.
How wrong can you be.
Check the quotes, PHW states we have money. You said he said we dont have money.
Well said GG.
Look at the success we had from 88 onwards… those weren’t the dark days… they were great times. I was raised on GG football and I loved it… winning cups regularly… getting to finals… grinding out wins… singing one nil to the Arsenal!
Superb!
That is why I hate reading about how Wenger made the club… he didn’t… he pushed us on and he introduced a mesmerising brand of football… but the board were planning a move away way before Wenger came on board. We were always going to move in a new direction regardless of Wenger. More money, more viewers etc…
I dont really see the point in going for Given 4 years ago would have been a great idea now im not so sure.
we want players in there 20s who are ready made for the first team now you have to question the ambition a manager who seams unfazed by us being in 5th position.
QoS
Yes it was a great feeling being let out for those big nights from she who must be obeyed
GG,
I went to almost every game of the GG era. Loved every minute of it. My first trip to Copenhagen was for the Parma Final – we sang 1-0 to the Arsenal for about 10 hours prior to the game, and 24 after ! But during that historic match we only had one shot on target !! We sure played some desperate football under GG
Give me Bertie Mee ………..
Mark, to me he is saying Arsenal are not going to spend because we have good kids… and they are worried about revenue streams in the future.
Do you really think Arsene is telling PHW he will finish outside the top 4 with the current squad? Don’t think so.
Do you think PHW would ever question Arsene Wenger? Don’t think so.
I’m off out now… catch you all later!
we lost 1 game in 91, and not 92 GG
We won the cup double in 93 under GG
94 we would the Cup Winners Cup, and lost in the final in 95.
Gnarley in 91 when we won the league I believe we only conceded 17 goals as well.
GG and Pedro – re the George Graham reign, we weren’t the most expensive team to watch then, at Highbury, standing on the North Bank.
Raddy…. for me Rioch not for the football but for the transfer market magic …. Bergkamp & Platt! let Rioch have the purse strings could end up with Kaka & Messi LOL
Raddy I was there that game and lost my voice the next day, the planes were all delayed and we didn’t fly back until about 4 am, boy was I hammered, mind you I was hammered before the game started!
Yes, Hill-Wood says “We have money”, but the whole tone of the quotes are ridiculously negative and downbeat and not what a man in his position should be doing at all. He should be driving the club forward at every opportunity but he is now a portly Port-sodden apologist for the board’s general incompetence over the past few years. I too have money. I have £2.80.
I want to say afew things,that i am shure that will upset most of you,but i am using these very good site,in order to take out the pain and frustration(with my doggy english,,,sorry).
may be some of you know my idias,and i am shure- that some of you where very upset because my opinions in the last 4 years looked like going against our beloved team.
Unfortchenatlly i was right,as i said 4 years ago-after our great “non loosing year”-that because of wanger’s ego,and the bed people in the board(mainlly Mr’ Hilewood),those non sportive reasons,,,are DESTROYING our great club!!!!!
Some of you atteck me,but at that time i ,could understand you,because it looked very odd,4 years ago.
Our team is in avery bed state(in the arsenal standarts-that i must onestlly say some of these high standarts layed down by wanger himself!!).
And today Mr’ Hilwood is saying that “wanger has a tight budget??!!”,i must say-from a point of view of a fan(a former footboller)it sound like-”a sportive CRIME”!!!!
AND TO JUSTIFY THE ABOVE -i am going to give you fallow gunners astatment(that again will upset you)-our club,,,mainlly Hilwood and the board,must get a”SHOCKING THERAPPY”,and to folfil that therapy-i can onestlly say,that i wish from my bottom of my hurt(avery painfull one)that arsenal will FAIL these season to quolify to the champions leage,and maybe it will be a wake up call,for Hilwood(he only understan the “money language”,Wanger,and our selvs-the arsenal fans!!!!
I know that in England to criticise your football team,is like a betrayel,but you must understand the people who run OUR club,care about,there ego,and the money!!!!!
If you looke at the money that we gained in the last few years(including the ‘MORGAGE” for the new stadium)WE DO HAVE MONY,,,,ALOT OF MONEY!!
I said these 2 years ago and 6 months our last exacative said the same thing(and he was,,saked by the board)that the extra ravenews from the new stadium.exceed enormaslly, the yearlly payments for the stadium morgage.
And you need to remember that even during the Hibghry days,our ravenws where in top 10 clubs in the world,,,,,,,,,and Hilwood is saying,that we have a tight budget!!!!!!!!
IF YOU CARE ABOUT OUR CLUB-PLEASE RAISE YOUR VOICE,AND FIGHT FOR THE FUTURE OF THE ARSENAL,HILWWOD IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
I think its all spin and David Villa is on his way to THOF
Dein at the moment is a non runner I’m afraid and now we have Gazidis to do the negotiations. What we don’t know is whether he will be led by members of the board and who is doing the leading. Arsenal have a mortgage which currently is manageable and by not spending too much are improving the balance of debt against assets. In whose interest is it ? should someone wish to be realising their stock in the near future to have a healthy cash situation with low repayments on debts.
Raddy
Bertie Mee sold Charlie George to Derby so I don’t have a great liking for him.
read this article.
All clubs are talking shite regarding bringing in players.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7805852.stm
Great stuff Lou
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/320134000?-19387
Geoff
17 goals in 20 games
. & only lost that one game 2-1 @ Chelsea.
I was so sad on that day GG.
One of terrible days. Like when I heard about Brady, and the horrible shock of TH14′s departure.
And Petit/Overmars
Pires
BR sad because Charlie was cast off, or sad because of the loss to chelsea?
Geoff,
I did the same !! The trip home was one of stupor. I was so exhausted mentally and emotionally. It was a tortuous match – seemed to last 4 hours.
What a great day, and a wonderful memory of the George Graham era.
Israeli, well said, it’s not a betrayal to criticise your team, it’s a service!
Gnarley I was putting a roof on my shed and had the radio on that day, it was snowing and someone I never heard of scored against us at the Bridge, Stuart I think?
good post,it covers everything,not much more to add,except i believe every word phw is saying.
we will never pay 20million for a player,we cant compete with this squad,and worst of all we will quickly become at best a mid table team.
we are being taken for a ride and most probably the compensation of not qualyfing for next year’s c.l. will be offset by selling fabregas.
wengers judgement recently of buying mercenaries like gallas,adebayor and diarra would never have happened if dein was still at the club.
what a sad state of affairs to start the new year when only a year ago we were top of the league.
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger:
“Although we are not close to signing anyone at the moment, if we do buy I think what we need is maybe someone with a bit of experience. I need a creative midfielder and eventually another midfielder, because we are short.
“We already have many young players so, if we buy, it will be somebody who is ready to play straight away. A loan deal could also be a possibility.
“What we might need is someone who can create a little spark.”
Speak of the devil…..its George Graham, the avatar
It was a dark day, but Charlie had been rubbish for some time by then. The booze and the media attention got him.
A great shame that the club didn’t nurture him the way they are with Theo. Had they done so, CG would have been one of the true greats. Lazy bastard though……..
Not like BR
A little spark? That could be Guy Fawkes
Israeli, hope you and your family are safe.
I loved him, one of us Raddy!
I’ll be back in an hour.
Morning Pedro / Geoff – a great post that reflects all of our feelings and dashed hopes.
I’m out for most of the day but would like to offer this debating point. Can we organise some form of protest (on-line petiton maybe) that we can deliver to the board so they can understand the size of the possible revolt?
mmmmmm??? booze & media attention. So thats who George Best modeled himself on later in his career, Charlie
Morning Kelsey. I read about the temp in Spain …. it was Minus 10 here last night !! Not much better today and a wind coming from Siberia, …. it is brass monkeys !
Hill wood should keep his mouth shut. Does he ever say anything good? Hasn’t he heard of spin like Wenger. At least he lies to make us feel good (in the short term)
PROTEST!!!
Everybody bring a banner to the next homegame!!
have your say about the board, who only care about their own buisness!
they are not arsenalfans! they are big moneyfans , sitting on their diamond chairs far from the real fans!! Have your say!!!
All of the talk re George Graham comes back to a point I made after Pompey.
I dont care how we win, I just want the 3 points.
I am not bothered at the moment for the pass and move football, I want results.
Once the team is back, and playing with confidence, then we can go back to sexy football, but we need to learn how to win ugly, and that is what Wenger should be focusing on now.
PHW is a knob and I really cant understand how this prat is still chairman, when decent board members have been sacked. He doesnt even own many shares, so it really doesnt make sense.
Actually we’re a laughing stock. Look how made up all the pundits are by saying “the big 3″ CUNTS all of them
gnarley hi mate.
i dont quite agree with you there raddy about charlie george.he had a comparitively short spell at highbury and there was a clash of personalities between him and bertie mee(you couldn’t get two more different people from totally different backgrounds)he was only 23 when he went to derby,shame
oh i wish we had a local boy again,who stood on the north bank,a complete idol,maybe for the time a bit of a rebel,but wasn’t that part of his fascination.his winning goal in the double year,in the cup final will always be one of my foundest memories.
Mark C
I agree. The semi against Villareal & ’05 F A Cup were drab affairs football wise but wow what great results
What makes you think that is the entire interview…. It is not uncommon for papers to just print what makes more of a story and not the rest of the interview.
He is basically just saying exactly what AW has said.
i.e.
‘It may sound boring, but we are not going to rush out and spend fortunes on people who won’t help us achieve anything better than where we are at the moment’
We will spend if can buy anyone who will make a difference, but won’t buy someone just to cover Cesc/Theo injury etc.
I wouldn’t expect Alonso, missed chance to sign him before season and no way Liverpool would sell him now they would be mad.
I think (with the exception of Man City) there won’t be many big money moves this window (aside from City or those with lots of money from selling a player to City!)
Even Chelsea are selling before buying and that says allot about the climate!
atleast we have to commend PHW for coming out with the truth, rather than beating about the bush
kelsey
Big Raddy thinks that Charlie took all the accolades, while John Radford did all the graft. But it was George to Radford to George for that ’71 scorcher.
something is wrong with the RSS feed.
earlier i used to get the full article but now i am able to see only first few lines.
Can you guys fix this?
thanks
Beating around the bush? If I was face to face with PHW he’d get the bush treatment. A size 12 doc martin aimed straight @ his scone.
there would be a queue behind you gg9
The pundits are quite happy to discount Arsenal as a big team but for the last 10 years+ they have included liverpool as a big club even though they have not won the league since it was the old first division.-double standards I think.
you younger guys cant imagine how it felt to win something in 71 and the fairs cup the year earlier when we had won fuck all for 17 years,a lot of the time in the shadow of the spurs.you have to have been there to witness it.last league game at spurs to win the league,50000 locked out,it was magic,long live ray kennedy
Morning all,
I’m not so sure about that story, even if true could it not be a ploy to reduce overinflated prices???
OK all, happy PHW Day/Night. I’m off. See you for the Plymouth game. Over & outski for now
Kelsey,It is true that Charlie left before he had time to flourish. But he was struggling in the team, and had to go. His career at Derby showed that he was unable to fulfill his potential. Of course, this is a purely personal assesment, and is seen through the rose -tinted glasses of happy memories.
Shame, he was so great in his first two seasons.
That team had a few “showboaters”, what with George “Stroller”Graham, CG and Jon Sammels.. All brilliant players. I loved Sammels – until the boo-boys got him, and destroyed his confidence.
Glory Days…………….
i dont think we should get silly about phw’s comments, he hasn’t said anything we didn’t already know, and thhe could be interpreted in different ways. depends when he says we have money but dont think we’ll spend it whether he means we won’t spend it all, and how much money we have.
we know wenger is just after two players, an attackind mid and one other mid, and anyone talking about signings forwards or keepers was always in fantasyland. we were never gonna spend 60 million, but could still spend 15 mil and be absolutely fine
A – Alonso and Arteta for me, are the signings Wenger should make.
If he has to sell a defender, Hangerland should come in.
All 3 players with Prem experience.
raddy we are just a couple of old fuckers trying to cheer ourselves up with all the shite going on at the moment.
Morning and happy new year to all .
Geoff ,
one thing that you may wish to include / discuss in an article at some point if
I may suggest is the discrace that is the club charging £20 more for so called
“GRADE A GAMES ” like erm……………….. West Ham !!!
A £40 ticket becomes £60 scheme members like myself .
This is a blatant shafting of which I refuse to subscribe to .
Your own club ripping you off . This really bugs me this morning when you here these comments !
In fact ,its a absolute fucking discrace
Am I the only one who is bothered by this ??
Yeah I agree a defender will have to come in if kolo goes, but i’d be very surprised to see him go in jan, i think he’ll stay until the summer. I think if he goes, and city rumours are true a straight swap with richards would be a possibility
However i don’t agree with alonso, nor arteta. Although alonso is quality, he isn’t the player we need to make a different and solidify the midfield, unless you rate song very highly?? Even then alonso would cost more than he’s worth. I’d much rather we snapped up senna if he’s available, or some random big powerhouse from the french league.
Arteta would be ok, though in the prem i’d much prefer elano, or to a lesser extent kranjcar. Arteta is quality at everton, and would be ok at us but his greatest talents are his crossing, and we don’t rely on crossing really.
Hi Jules,
Was good to see you all on New Years Eve, hope the house wasn’t too trashed?
I didn’t know that jules, that worries me quite a bit actually, maybe the credit crunch has affected us more than we thought for the club to feel it needs to change games to category a
I don’t mind being an old fucker Kelsey, the older the instrument, the sweeter the tone…….
We have no chance of getting Alonso. Arteta is a possible as Everton are blessed in midfield. Fellaini looks though he could be a really good player.
Hi TJ
Cheers mate and thanks for coming , hope you guys had a good time .
House is almost back to normal !!
Happy new year to you both . Fucking hill wood !!!
A
its been like it for a while ,, grade A games like spuds , manure , liverpool etc
and erm west ham ! grade a my arse ! go from 40 and 43 pounds to 60 and 66
for excactly the same seat !
its a joke , I refuse to pay it .
yeah i agree raddy about fellaini, but he’s just signed so we couldn’t get him and he’d cost a bomb too!
A .
We don’t rely on crossing because we are so piss poor at it. Sagna and Clichy get one in 10, if that. At least Nasri and RvP can cross a ball. If we play with Nik B and Ade, we can be formidable in the air, but they never get the service.
Guys, as you know I am usually the first to jump on a bad headline, and maybe whilst I think i am realistic, some think I am negative.
Which is why it is maybe strange that today I agree with A and Mark C
I have read through the story in the Star and just feel they are sensationalising a few quotes from PHW. i dont even think those quotes were given direct to the Star as the first few lines read that Wenger is becoming increasingly frustrated by lack of transfer funds a the club. This is hardly the kind of inclusion that you would expect if this was a PHW exclusive.
I also agree that he is not saying anything we dont know. He says there is cash and also repeats the obvious statement that they will only buy players that will improve the squad. So alas Sunday League players across the Country can forget their Arsenal dream as they are on a par with Alexander Song and not better than him (Well maybe some are)
It is s difficult position though, we have no option but to give them Jan to sort it out. I personally think that all business should be done by Bolton, but hey I dont expect that to be the case.
However if they dont buy then the decline will potentially go into freefall. They will have run out of excuses and opportunites to get it right, the gaps that were oh so evident at the Pompey game will become a regular occurance, We will struggle to get 4th (and dont forget Everton in that battle), we will continue to play crap football (And it has been crap), People will not renew (I did not last summer, but that number will spiral this summer), Corporate and Sponsorship money will drop (Nike and the Emirates signed when we had the Likes of Henry at the club, the current crop are hardly a draw for new fans or sponsorship, we will end up with a dodgy .com sponsor).
I really hope that they fully grasp the gravity of the situation if they fail to strengthen with class.
The good news if we swapped Toure and Richards is that we could also sell Eboue because Richards would be our No2 right back for sure.
oh ok jules, i’ve never noticed that.
Just thought, i’ve never seen us play west ham at home, hadn’t thought about it before, even at highbury, weird! Seen us at upton park a couple of times, and against every other prem club bar hull and stoke, but never west ham
Jules, I never knew that the difference was so marked. It is disgraceful.
How many Grade A games are there ? I guess Spuds, Bindippers, MU, Chavs, … that’s it.
I think a protest to sum up the depth of feeling is overdue to be honest.
I read the quotes and if nothing else it appears like PHW does not understand how passionately we want new signings.
no we couldn’t qos, we need more bodies in the squad, not less! We can’t afford to sell anyone, it’d be ridiculously stupid to have even less players than we already have! And i’d much rather eboue right back than richards too!
i don’t think we have the players to rely on crossing paddy, just because when you cross, invariably you lose the ball, and the only way we’re capable of not conceding is by keeping possession as much as possible, we aren’t anywhere near solid enough to be a crossy team!
pat i don’t think there’s a chance of us losing 4th spot, we’ll be there very comfortably come the end of the season even if we don’t sign anyone
Jules that is a disgrace, all you can do is vote with your feet buddy and find an internet feed until the club starts being managed properly
Personally I wonder if the board know too well that takeover is inevitible at some point so are paying off the debt as soon as possible to maximise the profit.
every day this goes on for is another day where I lean more and more towards changing ownership of the club. I dont want a Russian but would be open to investment similar to the one at Man City. There money is pretty safe so why not at least look at it.
QOS.
I have had time to calm down now, and agree with A, and Mark C. This is a regurgitated piece of lazy journalism (at least I hope so).
The Star FFS !!
Hi Big Raddy and happy new to you
I think it is those four and west ham . so 5 I guess . Ok not many but it is discracefull .
I am suprised not many of us know about this . Geoff maybe you could debate this one
please . Im not sure if it is just scheme members it affects , I guess it is but that is still alot of people getting ripped off.
So Inler is a no
Speaking to Todayszaman.com Inler claims he is happy at Udinese and has no interest in becoming a Gooner.
‘I have a three-year deal with Udinese. I am not interested in transfer issues. My manager deals with that. My target now is the success of Udinese. I am happy with the team and am not interested in Arsenal. I run out onto the field and play; I don`t care about the rest.’
So do you get a refund when the players put in little effort as well Jules?
I dont think I would give one of our performances a Grade A this year, so seems really tight to bill for it.
I meant sell Eboue and replace him with a proper right midfielder rather than a makeshift one A.
pat you wouldn’t consider beating utd or chelsea, or the way the team came together with ten men against liverpool grade a?!
Cheers Pat
I dont book those games mate , discovering you have been ripped isnt a good feeling so why volunteer it !??
I’d like to keep him as right back sub qos, and play him against teams who are more defensive against us rather than sagna
do you fuck Pat !! lol
On the basis that he’s better going forward than Sagna A?
A
yeh , they only play for more money now !
£20 more to watch song , eboue and bentner , great value !!!!!
yeah qos, much better. Sagna and clichy are fantastic defenders, but as a team and with our style of play we’d definitely lost something with how poor they are going forward, although clichy can dribble. Cole and silvinho, and lauren and eboue were the players who gave us width when our attacking mids drifted in, sagna and clichy try but when it comes to crossing or passing, or just generally kicking a ball in the opposition half they’re completely retarded
Jules,
I understand you’ve got R’s tickets for Saturday, are you going to Bolton as well as would be good to go for a few beers?
& yeah, the pricing is a disgrace as not everyone is a TV star like you! You’ll be in a box with a prawn sandwich before you know it mate!!
tj
yes going to the Bolton game so meet for a beer but you have to speak to my agent
to arrange the meeting .
TJ
are you going to the Bolton game ?
Personally no I dont A, I thought we were pretty lucky to win against Man Ure and Chavski and if anything we have played a lot better in those fixtures in recent years and lost.
I thought we were dreadful in the game against Liverpool, again lucky and only really got going once we were down to 10 men.
Just watch some season videos from 3-4 years ago (Even last year) and you will see that we have been playing really poor football this year. The results against Man Ure and Chavski were great the performance, skill and effort was definately not (Bar a couple of moments from individuals)
This seems more like the work of our new MD, it is more intelligent to say that you have no money when you are looking to buy some new players. What kind of idiot goes into the car dealership saying they have all this money and they want to spend it now, you end up paying the list price then.
We say we are broke because for the first time we genuinely need to buy players, I was not depressed by this news at all, I took it to mean that we are actually going to get some people on board. Just that we want to pay credit crunch prices. Not Man City prices.
Jules, yep! Twelve Pins?
Jules
£20 more to watch song , eboue and bentner , great value !!!!!
You are right, it is not acceptable. It is like paying Oasis level money for a concert to watch those dodgy singers that dont get passed rehearsals.
I honestly think Corporate and Club level will take a battering in the Summer if things dont improve. They got conned last summer when Wenger made the Reassuring signings in 2-3 weeks comment conveniently timed with renewals, just as they did with his Super Super class comment the year before. They wont get bitten again and Arsenal despite how passion we have and how much we love the club is not good value for money at the moment.
SHould read
It is like paying Oasis level money for a concert to watch those dodgy singers that dont get passed rehearsals in the X-Factor
Excactly Pat .
Talk about ruin your day. Thanks PHW!!!!
If this is true then i couldnt blame the likes of Wenger, Fabregas, Clichy if they wanted to leave.
We are so tight with money. The reason we lost Flamini was because we wouldnt pay him an extra 5k a week.
Good business that was. Now we have to spend 10 million plus to replace him and probably pay him 65k a week!!
yep TJ
Twelve Pins , Dennis and Chris go there too so will be good !
jules,
this is common practice over here in spain.Malaga(our nearest la liga club) are always mid table or below.the capacity is 24000,and a season ticket is 400 euros for the best seat,however if you are not a season ticket holder and real madrid or barcelona come to twn the price is about 200 euros for each game and that is not black market price.
obviously,i am not making a comparison,but several people i know buy a season ticket and go to about 6/8 games a season.half the stadium is full of ex pats who have adopted malaga as their second team(god knows why)
Good post Pedro and Geoff. Happy new year to everyone. Keep up the good work during 2009 in telling it like it really is.
PROTEST!!!
Everybody bring a banner to the next homegame!!
have your say about the board, who only care about their own buisness!
they are not arsenalfans! they are big moneyfans , sitting on their diamond chairs far from the real fans!! Have your say!!!
Rice – you are a bit off the point.
The current board, care about the club and team.
Why would you have so much cash tied up in something, that gives you little in return?
Newcastle fan on Given:
“Andrew Burns (Newcastle United fan) says…
Having watched him throughout his eleven years as a season ticket holder, I’d be happy to take £10m and see Steve Harper between the sticks. He’s the best shot stopper in the Premiership but far from the best keeper. His main weakness is the fact he doesn’t command his six yard box – let alone the larger box!! Poor communicator (great at screaming at defenders when the ball is in the opporitions half), and his distribution is weak. My main concern about his potential move is the statement it makes about the clubs’ lack of ambition…who will want to come to SJP when our ‘best’ players want out? (Only those chasing £ notes…and we’ve had enough of them!!)”
Sounds like Almunia to me
Still tickets available for the bolton game. we’ll end up like the chavs. I paid £120 for 2 “grade A” tickets for the w ham game on new years day last year. I’d rather have watched it on tv. Shit atmosphere. As far as I know all knockout games in the cl are grade A.
Hey Hans Leeds Utd spent £97mil we’re saying spend £30mil.
Leeds fans didn’t pay what Arsenal fans do and as for someone else having my ticket, what do you know? That’s my point, no one can afford it, that’s the point of the post, read it next time, or get someone who understands English to.
Sorry folks, an AKB in moderation.
Jules – you make a good point about the pricing.
I was not aware that the gap was so great.
Does anyone have a list of the pricing for grades A and B for the different ranges of seats.
I presume the Club level ones are even more expensive !!!
A season ticket is 19 home league games, and 7 Cup games, FA and CL.
By purchasing a season ticket, the average price per game is normally reduced, compared to that of a standard match day price.
Supply and Demand I guess if there are 30,000 Red members going for 5 or 10 thousand seats per game.
Dont forget, the bigger teams, also get more away tickets, therefore there are less home tickets available.
Cheers Goonermichael .
those seats are normally £40 or £43 .
I just checked the ticket hub and Weat Ham game is £60 .50 and £ 65.50 !
Same seat for bolton is £43 .
What a joke . Cheers for the message Kelsey .
Geoff
what do you think of this “grade A” business ??
Marc C
I am a silver member so I guess it applies to red and silver members .
still alot of fans being ripped off !
Why are West Ham grade A but Fulham not? They are both London teams.
Roma is a grade A game
manure have signed tossic and another player that i cant spell!!!
hill-wood is really startin 2 piss me off now… 4 yrs since we won a trophy… 4 YEARS!
evry1 criticises wenger 4 not spendin but i think he wud if the fukin bord allowd him 2!!!
iv seen us linkd with arshavin and i think the deals done and hill-wood comes out with this comment…
2 yrs ago we had a deal for eto’o and the bord didn’t provide us with the fund.
If hill-wood carries on like this i dont think we’ll see wenger after 2011!
why the fuk must they get my hopes up by sayin “20m-30m available” and then as soon as we’re linkd 4 a player “no money is available”. this is a football club more than its a business and you thick shits don’t seem to get it. look at united they spend at least 30m a season… and what aren’t they 500m in debt… no1 givs a shit der in debt cos dey win trophys… arsenal need 2 win a trophy… iv been patient 4yrs but now i feel as if im going to explode after hearing his comments! :@
guys you’ll be pleased to know that Arsenal released their year end accoutns on the 13 December you can probably get them off the Arsenal web page. You’ll also be glad to know that they are now making profits without the sale fo players for the first time in 4 years. their match day income has now risen to £94m per annum, so even after the repayment of debt at £26m it’s larger than the income generated by highbury which was £44m. A couple of interesting points though their wage bill is now £101m per year which means it’s larger than United’s last posted wage bill and only a few million behind Chelsea and their debt has risen from £345m to £415m so they borrowed a further £70m in the year which I’m not sure what for, but I’ll investigate when I get a chance. This also means they have larger debts now than Liverpool.so there it is,make of it what you will.
How the fuck is our wage bill more than Man Ures.
When you look at the playing staff on both clubs books, it is beyond belief and to be only a few Million behind Chelsea.
How fucking much are we paying some of these average players.
Club needs sorting out,
How in the name of fuck is the Arsenal wage bill anywhere near these teams, what sort of clowns are in charge of paying shite like we got the same sort of money as the players at the winning clubs, the whole set up at Arsenal has gone past being a joke now, what the fuck is happening.
nice post patthegooner
Rico
other guy’s name is “Adem ljajic” have they completed the signing???
it was rumored that the deal had broken down only today media again said that they are going to sign them both…
Great start to the New Year.
I am SO pissed off!!
I imagine that it does not help that Kolo Toure is probably one of the highest paid players at the club and has been out of form for over a year. We are still paying him a weekly wage for his form of 2-3 years ago.
Based on his form and how much he costs, and if I knew we would buy a replacement I would take the money from Man City for him. Although I would say if Bridge is going for 12m then I would want at least the same for Toure.
Guys – calm down a bit here.
Arsenal is a PLC, they have to by law declare certain bits of Financial information.
Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea, are all privately held, and therefore the level of information they need to declare is not as great.
If Arsenal have just released their figures, and the other clubs have not, you are comparing 2008 – against 2007.
I would be very surprised, if we are like for like 2nd in terms of players wages.
I am actually quite pissed that we have not signed anyone yet.
That might sound a little harsh, but we have known for a long time that the players did not step up as hoped and we were already short anyway.
Players should have been identified and prelimary negotiations should have been held before the window opened. The players should be in London now and should be featuring in the Bolton game.
I guess the question is does that figure include wages for Diarra, Hleb, Flamini, Gilberto and Lehmann.
Fuck that just depressed me typing that, all that experience to be replaced by Nasri and Silvestre.
hey everyone, i’m really confused and dissapointed by these latest quotes by PHW.
But one thing streams to mind, if wenger really does not want to spend then why is it that he did bid for inler and alonso in the summer but couldnt get them due to offering too little money and inler choosing to stay at udinese.
It really shows that arsene does know that our squad is not good enough. And he does want to buy players.
so i dont believe the notion of him refusing to spend players and saying he could find anyone special is a big fat lie, he is still concerned on OVERprotecting his players.
and then we have the usual ‘ we were close to signing c.ronaldo,this player and that player …..’ so he does want to spend.
and what about those latest quotes from arsene himself —
The Gunners boss said: “We are not close to signing anyone at the moment.
I think what we need is maybe someone with a bit of experience.
“We already have many young players so, if we buy, it will be somebody who is ready to play straight away.
“We are not looking for any player, we want someone who can add to the team.”
Andrei Arshavin has been strongly linked with a move to the Emirates.
And while Wenger refuses to identify any potential targets, the Russian definitely fits the bill.
He added: “I don’t need to announce a name.
“When you do that there is 50 per cent less chance of making the signing.
“But I need a creative midfielder and eventually another midfielder because we are short.”
the last sentence says “i need a ….”
still this mix messages from the club is really bringing us fans down!
Jules my tickets are nearer £78 a pop but I know Arsenal have always operated this grading deal, if for instance you want a ticket for Liverpool and hospitality, you also have to take a Fulham and Bolton one too.
Everything Arsenal do is to take out the maximum from the fan, which is okay if they spend the money, Wenger thinks it’s okay for us to pay loads and him to spend none (except for on their wages), oh and we should be grateful.
That’s why I am fast going off him, he tries to act impartial but he’s as greedy as the rest of them, we the fan means nothing, if we did he would either have delivered, or reduced the prices, he’s done neither.
Franchise wrote good stuff a week or so ago that we have 39 mill profit from the sale of flats which is seperate from other stuff and free to use .
I still don,t see us spending much though ,
Pat , I think you will have to wait untill midnight on deadline day to be really dissapointed !! You know when you stay up watching sky sports news all night
to end up really fucked off !
And the other question is does that figure include wages for Song
Surely we dont pay him real money.
I am still convinced this is all part of a reality TV show where he has to fool the paying public that he is a Proffesional Footballer when he is actually a Knock off goods salesman on a Market Stall in Cameroon.
You know the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that David Dein may have been right in his view of what Arsenal needed to do:
[1] Stay at Highbury and invest in the team
[2] Get foreign investment into the club
Taking each point in turn, I’m a big fan of the new stadium, I think it’s fantastic. However at what cost? We have a large mortgage and we promised that the increased revenue would go into the team. Well that seems to have happened, but not in the way we all expected. The seem to pay decidedly average players and reserves huge wages and refuse to buy in any real quality experienced players.
With regards to foreign investment, it all depends on who we get. Is the owner going to treat it as his plaything e,g, Mike Ashley/Man City Arab jokers or are they going to a real positive influence e.g. Randy Lerner. I reckon Kronke would have been another Lerner. So looks like Dein got it right again … as far as Usmanov is concerned well every one makes mistakes. However maybe Dein say the writing on the wall and wanted to offload at value. I wonder if Lady Nina will sell him her shares?
In conclusion, I think the current situation is a mess. Our football has suffered our reputation has suffered … who now fears to play us? Something needs to change and fast.
Have said that before Geoff
maybe it is the mis-management from above that has put him in this position but sometimes Wenger sounds like a CFO and not a Football Manager. He should not even be concerned with the finances at the club unless the board turn down a request for funds from him.
Mark C
you are correct that one can’t make an exact comparison,however if you look at the current value of our players(assets) against the other top 3 it really is not comprehensible.I think sol was on 90k a week but apart from ade getting a wage rise to 80k what in god’s name are we paying the rest of a fairly average young inexperienced squad.
You would think so Pat! Welcome Citygooner.
hi guys how can Manc who are not neccessarily in need to strengthen their squad sign players b4 us????? I was expecting a transfer statement 3 players by the 2nd of Jan.
lol Pat
Im sure Song sold me a dodgy watch on a beach somewhere .
rookie – both have been confirmed, tossic is going straight to manure, the other is staying with his club on loan for the rest of the season…
Guys we are attracting the likes of Nordveit, Merida etc with pro contracts worth a few thousands a week. It all adds up. Merida has been on our books for 3 years and he is still like two years from making an impact at the club.
i must say i have my dought about this story because the arsenal board are very private about such matters plus the fact wenger had at least 20 million spend the summer and he he only spend 12 million all of which was paid back by selling hleb, i dont think wenger is a big fan of doing alot of business jan beacuse the finflated prices.but i realy dont think think wenger will going crazy i think he will get central mid and try to get defender who can play df position but someone with abit more experience and i would not rule out bringing in players on loan and doing his business in the summer
Hi Franchise
was I right in mentioning the 39 mill from flat sales ?
Was it you who told us about that ?
Just want to check it was you so my post is ok .
Also Franchise to answer your question …
unlike manure don,t fuck about !
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm; Manure have bought 2 (!!!!) players already from Partizan Belgrade (Tosic & Llajic) and looking to add young Delph from Leeds (this after Fergie saying he would not buy anyone in the January window), and what are AFC doing??? PHW is stating very little money available, AFC have plenty young talent …… bla bla bla bla , I don’t know what to beleive anymore, I am (like Geoff) so totally despondent and beginning to question my dedication to a club that is in my blood and has been for a very very long time. Shay Given states he is ready to walk out on Newcastle and linked with Arsenal, Tottenham and Man City (??????) and yesterday Gooner Talk posted (via an Italian source) that Arshavin’s Agent has confirmed Arsenal deal (again???) so what are we supposed to beleive??? Don’t think I can handle another transfer window like the one during summer’08. I am off to Homebase to buy some new cushions for my sofas, well, what else is there to do then???
Sorry I meant
unlike us
No Jules it wasnt me
Appoligies Franchise
At least it looks like Senderos is coming back……………..it just gets worse!!!
Kelsey.
I have read the accounts just now.
The accounts are for the season just gone, so what happened in 2007 / 2008 season, when we were top for most of the season.
The 101 mill you have found is for ALL Employees, not just the players.
This includes just short of 400 employees of the club, 50 or so, are paid players.
Since the end of our latest Fiscal Year, we have let go Gilberto, Hleb, Flamini, Hoyte and so on.
We have 9 players out on loan. I believe a loan deal, means the other club pays half the players wages, so we are getting 9 players being paid for by other clubs or at least contributing.
All we really signed in the Summer was Ramsey, and Nasri, with Clichy, Sagna and Ade getting improved deals.
If you have got the actual players wages as a total, seperate to those of the other club’s employees, and you can do that for the other clubs, then you can compare, and come out with statements like we are the 2nd highest payer for players wages.
I think we are probably 3rd or 4th. a good 10 or 15% behind Chelsea.
the thing i cant stand is the lies. Why so much propaganda from a fooball club? this is not the cold war FFS
Almunia
Sagna Toure Djourou Clichy
Eboue Denilson Song Nasri
Ade Van Persie
Imagine Nasri and Van Persie get injured!!
Wenger bought Theo and Ade in one January transfer window and if I’m not mistaken Reyes in another.
When he bought Theo and Ade there was a third but I can’t remember who.
Jules – you are correct to say we have received 39 mill for the completion of 90 or so flats.
We also have 30 mill in deposits for the other flats that have exchanged.
Further to that, the accounts state we have completed on all of our other JV’s so it has been stated that we had to build 7000 units, to get the Emirates. Well we went into partnership with building contractors, and the 6300 other units we had to build, have all completed.
Lets hope the credit crunch, means when a player is looking at a new deal, the pay rise is not as steep as it once would have been.
geoff
diaby
we are 3rd in wage bills in the prem. i bet that about 70% of the £107mill is for the players and coaching staff. probably more
Geoff – it was Diaby.
He did it all on the same day.
A Friday if I remember correctly.
Man’ure have acted quickly in the transfer market I see. Shame we can’t do likewise!
When was the last time you honesty got excited about going to see a new signing, Reyes maybe??
Hi Mark C
Sorry , It was your good self who informed us . Lets hope we use it !
the squad is very small but i dont club are going bust but because they are paying off for the new staium i dont think they have that many funds and that large reason why wenger is going on side pf youth but wenger is not the type to make excuses and he tends to keep such things in private but because the sqaud is stretched he will get 1-2 experienced players evon if its on loan
It has to be a smokescrene. A year a go, or so there where reports that AFC was the richest club at one point. This statement came out after the stadium was built and since, all we did is get Remsey and Nasri. What is really going on though?
I’m disgusted about the fact that Wenger didn’t enter this transfermarket like a wild dog ready to start biding wars everywere. But what is really going on is that R. Madrid is doing alot of noise and getting some really talented players of the likes of Hunterlaar and even having the odasity to ask for people like Ribery, Cesc and even Wenger! What is AFC doing, apart from staying in a corner as quiet as a mouse. I’d rether they make noise and call for unaffordable targets instead of being a blimp on peoples radar..
Hi everyone!
Mark C did you get your shirt and hat I posted monday? Just so I know it arrived..
Hi Jules how are you?
Cheers for the reply Geoff
Mark C,
i was not trying to mislead anyone.the total wage bill is for all employees as you correctly said.i didn’t say it was for only the players.but nevertheless whichever way you look at it,it is extremely high cost running the club for little if any improvement on the pitch.
wenger’s net spend on ins and outs is 18million in 12 years. i will post the link.
Franchise, there is no propoganda,
it is just poor journalism.
The facts are there in the clubs accounts.
You just need to know how to read them to make sense of them.
I am sure we pay well, and I am sure we have cash to buy players.
I am not sure if Wenger has the bottle to sign a big player.
Hi Avenell
happy new year to you and your family .
Why does it run slow Jules? Lol
TJ
prepare to not get excited again mate !
Hi Avenell. Happy New Year.
I have not got it yet, I will let you know.
I would be surprised if 70% was of the wage bill was spent on the playing and coaching staff. My guess would be much smaller.
Jules,
I won’t but talking about spending money………………………. Did you know you can get a Green Check Shirt at Sainsbury’s for only £15 – bargain!
Kelsey,
Yup, you are right, you said wage bill, and then everyone else, started talking about PLAYERS wages.
The 101 mill, is for last season not this.
I believe it was the 3rd highest, we were top for 3/4 of the season, and we finished 3rd.
I would like to think we have reduced this for 2008/ 2009, or not increased it as much as Chelsea and Man U, due to the football we are now playing.
Thanks jules and mark C.. same to you.
Mark they should have arrived before the new year but the PO are busy I suppose. If you could just leave a message when/if they do.. If not I will contact you next week sometime..
If we really dont have any money for transfers, I guess Cesc is going in the summer.
Wenger might also retire early if Cesc goes.
London
I don,t know . I can never find it cos its always in the wrong fucking place ! lol
everything will be ok!
arsene knows
Geoff, if you are still on, awesome post on Kolo a few days back! I was off and read it only today. Absolutely awesome!
Damn TJ
You ve seen it !?
my stab in the dark would be 50 players out of a staff of 400.
So that is about 12 or 13% in head count.
if the remaining 350 employee’s total cost is 30k a head, which includes, wages, NI and pensions, then that is about 10 mill.
So the actual wage cost for the players would be around 90 mill.
Mark C im not making my assumption on what was in the daily star. Its years and months of being told rubbish by the club thru the media. What are we to believe?
“Arsene can spend 30million on one player if he wants……”
“The money is there”
“Sign a few players in two weeks to reassure the fans”
“Im here with my chequebook”
“Im too busy to worry about players”
“I might surprise you”
“Internal solutions”
“There are no 20million players out there to improve the squad”
“No one is leaving”
“There isnt money”
Will Wenger hold a press conference today(since it’s a Friday) even though it’s not a league game we’re playing tomorrow?
Franchise
Do you remember the ” my cheque book is,nt big enough ” line .
I don,t know what to believe anymore .
Jules, yep & only just stopped laughing – very funny mate! I’m calling you Zoolander from now on!!!
PDT why do you think its less than 70%. The board get f*ck all apart from HillWood i think. What Ade earns in a week if its 80K would be a good yearly salary for mid-level admin staff.
Jules i remember that one…. too many mixed messages
maybe wenger does not have the money its difficult to say wenger is always ery coy about such amtters although the board have always said the money is availeble i think he has abit of money but wenger will never spend more than 12 million on 1 player
I’ve long suspected that all this talk of “the wage bill” included the entire staff of a football club. If that’s the case, then obviously a London club with a big stadium will have a higher wage bill than Liverpool for example.
But it’s weird that this never seems to be sorted out. Why can’t they just explain it.
He is not as cool as me TJ
Franchise
who knows ?
Something to worry about is the fact that Aston Villa will be strengthening in January for certain.
That fourth spot seems to be getting further and further away!!
I hate talking about Arsenals season is a battle for fourth spot. What has happened to us????
we gave our soul away to the f*** emirates
I dont know much about how the Board system works etc.
But could they be being tight on the purse strings due to a buy out in the near future???
an interesting read from a respected journalist
http://www.guillembalague.com/rumores_desp.php?titulo=Are Wenger and Fabregas on their way to
Manu have completed 2 signings. I hate the cunts but I’m starting to get really pissed off that we’re not more like them in our dealings. If Wenger bought someone quick it might reassure us a bit.
what a load of shit, they really take us all for a bunch of drunken football hooligan idiots or what? Fuckin board, thanx for waisting my time, and everybody elses, while they count their chips, boring mf that couldnt care less about football, or the fans of the club. There are some real tight asses in the sporting domain.
we’ve lost so much competitiveness in the league that im beginning to care less about our rivals and enemies. im just trying to protect myself from excessive bitterness and hurting envy…..
Kelsey. The link you posted was very interesting.
Elsewhere on the site, it cools down talk of Arteta to Arsenal, and has Chellini and De Rossi in the team of 2008.
lol, ManU say they would not get players and they do. AFC says its possible that up to 3 players and we dont, WTF, Congrats Wenger, you joke! Keep misguiding us lets see how long you last, same thing goes to the board!! I dont want to see a sqandal like what happened in Newcaslte, nither do you!
RasDef!
great post! we (the supporters) have to do something.
We should change the team name to ArseneWengernal FC it almost is isn’t it.
or wengeranal fc
Sorry if i’m being nasty, i did wake up on the wrong side of the bed and I just got, another, fine for speeding, which i can ill afford. What i feel AFC is doing to us is like when you really like this girl, and you know that she really likes you too, but you never really get it on with her because she prefers to pull your dick!
Good afternoon all, and a Happy New Year to all fellow Gooners. Let’s hope we have a better year than the last one, although I am already disheartened with the noises coming out of our club. I really cannot remember when last I’ve heard a positive statement coming from the Arsenal, so I hope the recent comments from the board are nothing but a smoke screen.
RasDef,
if nothing else that’s a different angle on the situation
Interesting analogy Rasdef, I just feel like he’s taking the piss out of me.
If he thinks Song has talent I fear for him, I really do, because he’s shit.
did you see this guys
reportedly interested in him, Witsel spoke about his favourite club.
“Arsenal, Feyenoord and Real wanted to sign me when I took part in the European U17s Championship in 2006. But I wanted to stay close to my family.”
“I’ve been an Arsenal fan since I was a kid, around 5 or 6 years of age. I love the club because there’s so much young talent. When they play well – it’s amazing”
Despite the rumoured interest of Chelsea and Manchester United, Witsel revealed that he’d rebuff any offers from both clubs if Arsenal came onto the bidding scene.
“I dream to play for Arsenal. If Man United, Chelsea and Arsenal want me, I’d go straight to Arsenal without any thought.”
A massive statement from such a young individual. Talking of massive, guess who Witsel’s favourite all-time Arsenal player is?
“Thierry Henry, my idol. I love this player because he has so much class. What I love most is the way he celebrates his goals. It seems he doesnt care about his goal [he smiles].”
The classy young Belgian stated his disappointment at the removal of William Gallas’ captaincy, but also admitted he wasn’t surprised at the whole event.
“It doesn’t surpise me. When I arrived at Standard there was also conflict between young and old players. The old ones are jealous of the young players. It’s not lack of respect, it’s just evolution.”
Witsel was present for Arsenal’s clash with Portsmouth last weekend, when asked about the game, here’s what he said.
“To be honest, when I see that [the match], I think I’m good enough to play for Arsenal.”
During, and after the game, Witsel showed his passion for the Gunners even singing anti-Spurs songs with the Arsenal faithful!
“Come on Wenger! play van Persie, you’re crazy!”
“Well, this win is good for the team. But thank you ‘Calamity’ James”
A Spurs fan went up to him when he was travelling back home, the fan told Axel that he should sign for Tottenham, Witsel hastily replied.
“Are you joking? I said I want to sign for a big club!”
One thing’s for sure, Axel Witsel is definitely a die-hard Gooner and a player who looks Arsenal-class.
I’ll leave you with a video of the youngster in action for Liege, it’s a
Yeah got to be creative in life.
I agree that Song is crap, forcably there are better players comming out of the African continent. Furthermore how the hell did Bentner get so many starts, he hasnt improved at all in all the time he’s played. AFC probably havent sold him because no one wants him, not even on loan. These are two players that need to leave, they are not good enough to play in a real team!! We should give them to the tossers north of us as a sign of what we think of them..
I don’t mind and can half understand Wenger’s decision to focus on youth, but why the feck did he put them all on such high wages, to the extent that we almost the largest payers in the premiership?
We’re left with this ridiculous situation where we have a lorry load of average players and a massive wage bill, which makes it quite tricky to go out and buy the likes of Arshavin and the several other major plaeyrs we need due to keeping the wage situation in check. So we have to be cautious and wary, however a large part of it is Wenger’s stupidity in giving out such high wages to medioctrity.
Why didn’t he just offer them low-to-mid range wages with the promise of some champions league football thrown in. I can’t imagine there was much competition for the likes of Song and Denilson.
axel is pure class..he can play anywhere in the midfield
I cant watch Arsenal TV anymore.
Watching the old games where we have Lehman, Sol Campbell, Fabregas, Vieira, Bergkamp, Pires, Henry etc just depresses me.
The likes of Song and Denilson would not of even got on the bench.
Tomorrows line up is out and there is no denilson and toure…hope ramsey gets a run out.
Paulinho- wow there fella.
Where did you work out that all of the youth are on high wages?
Can you prove that?
I dont think so.
The player wage bill for last season was around 90 mill, by removing top earners and bringing through youth the wage bill should reduce a bit, or not rise as sharply, due to the pay rise the senior players got.
I doubt if Denilson, or Song are on BIG money.
Neither of them would be on 40k a week, they are young inexperienced players and their wages will reflect that,
When the club says they dont have money, it serves as a smoke screen to who, other clubs know exactly how much everyother club has. Another thing is that the comments made are utterly useless. Does it mean that we dont have 100mil to spend, 50 mil to spend, 20mil?? It would be understandable if we were like HullFC and say yeah we got 3mil, but we’re not… How many millions does it take to be able to make some signings? Don’t we have some of the best recruting people out there?
The Pre game press conference stories are just starting to hit the press. Here is the first one
Wenger today declared people were in “dreamland” if they expected Arsenal to break the bank during the January transfer window, and warned football was not immune to the credit crunch.
Gunners head into the new year already behind in the Premier League title race while also without key men like captain Cesc Fabregas and England winger Theo Walcott because of injury.
Wenger is expected to look to strengthen his depleted squad, most likely in midfield, this month.
Russia playmaker Andrei Arshavin continues to be linked with a £20m move away from Zenit St Petersburg, but Wenger today played down reports Everton’s Spain international Mikel Arteta was another target.
Wenger maintains there are very few clubs in the Premier League who can simply buy their way to success.
“Chelsea have not built a stadium and they lose £100m per year – how do you imagine you can deal with that at Arsenal Football Club without going bankrupt? We have to be responsible,” he said.
“I do not understand how you can compare with that. The other clubs, except for Manchester United, lose money.
“We have a specific budget which is not as big as I have read in the newspapers, some ridiculous amounts of money that are completely crazy. But we will try to use it wisely and well if we can,” he said.
“This team is together, getting stronger and stronger – but what we need to focus on is continually developing and not live in dreamland where we are linked with players of £30m or £40m because that is not realistic.”
“We have a very, very good squad and we will go for an exceptional talent only – but if it is just to have one player more, we will not do it.”
It does make me laugh when he says that the team is together
Duh, Is that why Toure put in a Transfer Request.
Oh and it is the old Exceptional talent line again, beautiful. Remember though Grovers Song was and Exceptional talent
Wenger added: “At the moment, people in football are not conscious of what is facing us economically.
“People still think we are in a bubble, but we will be hit like anybody else in this economical crisis, I am convinced of that.
“You will have a much more cautious market than you expect it to be and one of the isolated powers you could have are Manchester City.
“That will be one of their strengths because they will not have quite as much competition as they would have had in normal circumstances.”
Arsenal have a long-term debt commitment following the move to their new, 60,000-seater home at Ashburton Grove – and Wenger maintains the Gunners must continue to live within their means.
“What is most important is the club has built a new stadium and we live in a very strong and healthy situation financially,” he said.
“You look how many clubs have done that and we play at the top. “How many clubs have managed to build a new stadium, have a good financial situation and continue to play at the top?”
Wenger continued: “It is not that we do not want to spend.
“We have gone for a policy that is to develop our young players and we have to show some character and strength, not listen to everybody who comes out everyday with a new name.”
Wenger maintains there are very few clubs in the Premier League who can simply buy their way to success.
“Chelsea have not built a stadium and they lose £100m per year – how do you imagine you can deal with that at Arsenal Football Club without going bankrupt? We have to be responsible,” he said.
“I do not understand how you can compare with that. The other clubs, except for Manchester United, lose money.”
Wenger does not expect any of his players to leave this month – including defender Kolo Toure, who had a transfer request, lodged in the wake of a disagreement over team selection, firmly rejected.
“The situation is that Kolo is a player who has two-and-a-half-year contract and will remain with us,” said Wenger.
“I am happy with players who are committed and Kolo is a big example.
“There was a minor incident that you can multiply by 20. It happens every day in every club which is sorted out. Kolo is happy here.
“We have a very young and compact squad and I don’t expect anybody to leave.”
Arsenal’s last trophy came when they won the FA Cup in 2005, and they face Championship side Plymouth in the third round at the Emirates Stadium.
“The FA Cup is one of three trophies that we go for with regular players,” said Wenger.
“It is one of the major priorities of the season.”
so was Bentner…
It must be that 1-2% talking again
Utd are primed for domination for another 10 years IMO
tosic,ronaldo,anderson,nani,rooney,ljajic,tevez, rafael
all under 24 years and yet to peak
we are not doing too bad ourselves with the likes of fabregas, nasri, walcott, clichy, ramsey, wilshere, vela
the advantage utd have is that they are better at keeping and setting unsettled players like they did with ronaldo and they have a team that is currently capable of winning things.
Mark C, our wage bill is ahead of everyone bar Chelsea. That means we spend more wages on players than United or Liverpool. Considering a large chunk of our squad is made up of unproven, uninspiring youngsters, it’s fairly logical to conclude that certain players like Denilson and Diaby are getting paid very high wages and getting more than the likes of Nani, Park Ji Sung, Rieira, Agger, Fletcher, O’Shea. All players that they should not be getting paid more than IMO.
This is an area where Wenger has fucked up big time. Rewarding mediocrity and hampering the chances of being able to accomodate an Arshavin or De Rossi. Real top players.
Has anyone actually heard what Wenger said today.
It seems Toure and Denilson are out, which means SONG will play.
Also not too sure about Djourou, as I cant handle Silvestre in an Arsenal shirt.
So Yaya wants to stay put, so does Inler, Wenger has rubished stories of Arteta and Given, and there is no way Liverpool will let Alonso go.
Not looking good is it.
Paulinho UTD is higher than ours but u r right the other three teams have better players than ours
Just posted it Mark C. That was his pre-match conference.
Arsene can fuck off. he refused to spend when things were better economically he wouldnt be able to believe his luck that he has such a good excuse to give not to sign much needed players.
Just shut ur gob and sign some players.
Its funny on the Arse web-site Wengers saying that he isnt interested in Given, DAA otherwise you would have really waisted a lot of time and money on that loser and reject from the spanish team, Almunia… Oh and he’s vice captain, unbelieveable!!
If we really dont have any money to spend then we really cocked it big time with the investments in highbury square. The problem might be short term but how do we survive until things pick up?????? I think its time for some serious sugar daddy to buy the club out i dont even care anymo if its Usmanov.
Arsène Wenger refused to be drawn on his transfer plans when he faced the media for the first time in 2009.
The transfer window opened on New Year’s Day and the Arsenal manager has already been linked with a number of players, including Everton midfielder Mikel Arteta and Russian international Andrei Arshavin. Predictably the topic loomed large at his pre-match press conference on Friday but Wenger remained tight-lipped.
“Mikel Arteta is a very good player but we have not made any enquiry about him at all,” insisted Wenger.
“There is no progress [on Arshavin]. If there is any progress made you will be informed, I promise you. If we buy a player you will be informed.”
Looks like something is happening on Arshavin
Fabianski is starting tomorrow.
Mega rich Arsenal Football Club cant find money for players in this transfer window.
However, we are still expected to find the money to pay for the inflated ticket prices.
The clubs becoming a JOKE!!!
I think the players we get will be unknown to us, bit like Sagna was – well I didnt know about him…
Cty have nabbed Bridge then….
You never know Rico
Reading into his comments there, it does look like there is something happening with Arshavin. He talks of Progress
It might just be me mega clutching at fucking straws though.
Arteta looks a no go unfortunately. Shame
Tell you what though, I would take Arshavin and Vieira on loan right now.
rico Sagna was a good signing but he is no Cafu. I think we need more than that. We need a ‘statement’ player. Someone to make us excited. Someone obviously good enough to check egos like Ades b4 they go out of control. I think we need 2 of those players and 1 sagna-like signing. we need to sell though IMO
Arshavin is a top player, a bit hot and cold, but he’s better than every other player we;ve got. He might be the player to bring the much fabled counter attack back, the counter attack that everyone longs for.
He’s not a wonderful ball retainer so we’re not going to play great possessional football with him in the side but he will sharpen our blade up front and make teams fear us a bit more.
Sagna was most peoples’ best right back in the Premiership last season Franchise.
It we sign the players who become the best DM and the best LM in the Premiership (even if they are no Cafu) I’ll be quite happy!
Arshavin is probably best described as a wide Steven Gerrard I think, on his game he drives the team on.
we should get Arshavin. we should sell Song and get M’bia. then either get one of turan, witsel or Eljero Elia
Glad we’re not bidding for Arteta. Our transition from championship challenger to top six also rans would be complete if we signed him.
Paulinho we were so shit that Arteta wld have improved us like WO!
just as i thought,money available until a couple players show interest in us,then it dissapears again
Sagna was a wonderful complimentary player last season to go with our tricky playmakers. His incredible basic offensive game wasn’t that highlighted because we didn’t really need him to be that great to make a difference going forward.
However, this season with all creativity sucked from us, his limited abilities going forward have been badly exposed.
QoS Sagna has put in like 4 decent crosses in hi whole Arsenal career not good enough at top level
not just sagna,clichy matches him for crossing ability,at least sag can defend
4 good crosses,same amount as theo then,and 3 more than nasri
please stop right there, Sagna is top quality, one of Wengers better recent signings! If you got issues with Sagna then the whole team needs to change according to you!
Who would you prefer Sagna, Lauren or Hoyte in that position?? Sagna is solid!
Crosses? What are those?
No one says sagna is bad Rasdef but for all his defending skills we have still coneded a lorry load of goals and he hasnt contributed to our attcking plays this season. So lets call things as they are.
Yeah he’s great defensively but average going forward. That’s plainly obvious.
Clichy is pretty mediocre in both departments but is a good interceptor.
id rather have 11 sagnas than the current team
My point Franchise was that Richards is better than either of them going foward. So on that basis I’d rather have Sagna with Richards as back-up than Sagna with Eboue as back-up.
Eboue is actually quite a poor right back.
well then we have 1 good defender,mr sagna
Sagna just sends in shit cross after shit cross, it’s incredible. It’s like he can’t be bothered to actually look in the area.
berg i can remember at least 5 walcott assists in my head at the mo. he isnt as bad as sagna and nasri. he is probably the best crosser of the ball we have.
richards as back up,richards prefers centre back
Ok, did you see Silvestre trying to cross? That was horrid!
franchise,oh come off it,i was takin the piss,but theo is a huge underperformer,he has had maybe 2 good games in a year and one was for rngland,the rest of his good play come in just moments,2 minutes a game maybe,at least sag gives effort,his job is to defend because the rest cant
eboue is better going forward than sagna. sagna is another athlete we have in defence. we dont have any proper natural defenders in the mould of Bould, Adams, Winterburn, Dixon, Campbell, Keown. and i think that is our biggest problem defensively. Senderos is our most natural defender
the thing is our full backs get further forward than everyone apart from ade,quite sad
eboue was one of our best attacking players till wenger ruined his career
true berg. theo is such a massive underperformer. even his best game this season for england where he scored the hattrick he was poor apart from the goals
i also agree re eboue berg
Senderos is bloody slow! I’d like to see him try to defend Abonglahore like Gallas did!
we have talent,we just lack mentality to batter teams,then the next time they play us they have lost as soon as they see our team sheet,theo and them need to start usin this talent soon
I know Berkamp but we were discussing swapping Toure and Richards and I added that as an added benefit we could lose Eboue and get a proper RM instead.
“No progress has been made on Arshavin” (Arséne Wenger 2.01.09)
I take this to mean that a deal is in progress but not yet finalised.
Arshavin is the sort of player Wenger likes: one that is regarded as a special talent, a bit like Rosicky, Hleb or even Pires.
I have said this many times; the loss of Rosicky gives Wenger a genuine reason to buy without damaging, as he sees it, his precious youth policy.
i am sorry but sangna is one of the best wright backs in the world not only is he an exptional defender but he very good going forward,i like clishy but i think he is mush better going fowrad than defdending but he is still a good defender,but wenger is not going to go mad in the market i can only see him buy 2 playing at the most in midfield area, song has been disapointing to me at times but protects the defence well enough, but i still do see him a as dm player delinson,daiby,ramsey,nasri all are good but if any ofthem gets injured they are real trouble they are so thin in that area and i wenger is just going adress that area and do most of his business in the summer
RE: Real Madrid wanting Wenger…
“I believe I have shown my commitment to this Club,” said Wenger. “I accepted when we built the new stadium to stay to commit my long-term future to the Club under restrictions.
“I don’t think anyone can doubt my commitment here. You can question my decisions and I accept that, but not my commitment.
“No [no one has spoken to my representatives], because I represent myself.”
RESTRICTIONS? I’m begining to wonder whether it’s actually the board that are being so tight with money.
Silvestre is a brilliant long passer but can be a very good crosser but he still hasn’t really loosened up on the ball yet. I remember in the F.A Cup final of 2005 Silvestre’s long balls to Rooney on the right killed Ashley Cole.
the thing is gallas was dumb,he defended a high line on the halfway line against agbonlahor and got burned twice this season,the against peter crouch he defends as the last man goal side of crouch in our own penalty area,lucky crouch hit the post, senderos could be forgiven for such mistakes but not the 100cap respect me please ex captain
He was crap apart from the hattrick? Did you really just write that??!? lol!!
What did the Romans ever do for us eh?
Queen, have you seen Richards this season? He has been playing like a right clown. Seems to have lost his pace as well. I would hold fire on that one.
Arshavin worries me.. he wants to play in Spain. He is using arsenal as his stepping stone.
He will take a year to settle, one decent year and he’d be of to sunny Barca..
the thing is special talent usually has a big name,unless were talkin about 14 year olds again with special talent maybe in 10 years
Fair point Paulinho he’s definetely having difficult second album syndrome at the moment. I actually think his best position is right wing-back funnily enoungh
well as long as we charge barca our asking price and stick to it for once instead of takin oportunity to profit by cuttin the wage bill again then id take asshaver,he’s 28,give him a four year deal then he can do a webster when he is 31 if barca wont pay the askin price in a year
I love Clichy, but the problem with Clichy and the whole”great going forward, not the best defender” view is that Clichy can be really poor in the final third. He’s great at getting to the final third, but his crosses are still really bad. He also tends to give the ball away a lot. Fans don’t seem to notice it for some reason. Whenever I’ve looked at passing statistics for the players after a match, Clichy consistently has the worst. It made me look closer at his performances, particularly his passing. Watch how many times he sends in a long ball that lands at the CBs or the keeper.
Paulino- Silvertre was good, not anymore that ManU reject! He tried two long passess that were absolutly horrid, i think it was against Pompy…
bergkamp
i dont think so wenger has already stated no he is without fab is looking bring someone straight into the fisrt 11 he might evon bring in someone on loan until the summer
is it just me or does the clear lack of ambition for success at the emirates seem shocking, the manager seems happy investing precious seasons with sub-standard youthful players in the hope that this tiresome process may result in future success, then the board happily states that ‘we’ve got to continue to run this business in a sensible way’
so whats sensible, overcharge fans to watch crap players like song and eboue simply because winning trophies is not a priority at the emirites, forget the january transfer window, if we dont win a trophy by the end of the year, serious changes need to be made, either a complete new look team or a new manager or director, rant over….
thoughts fellow grovers???
‘In Arsene We Trust’
Still relevant???
I hope so.
so is Sagna QoS second season syndrome
If Sagna could cross we would have to suffer even more crap every summer with stories like Real Madrid want to buy this and AC Milan want to but that.
I actually think the reason we were able to keep Viera for as long as we did was because he was flawed: his shooting ability was woeful and he froze in front of goal. I know it’s possible to find exceptions but they are the exceptions that prove the rule.
the + sagna has over clichy is better concentration and less clumsiness
There’s never any strikers in the box when anyone crosses. if there was the crosses wouldn’t look so bad anyway.
London that is not the reason why we kept Vieira sorry. the club refused several offers for him. i dont celebrate mediocricity from players even if it means they stay at the club longer.
Sagna is simply very good this season where as he was brilliant last season. More a case of familiarity breeding contempt.
Morning all, well i just got up so its my morning. So Bridge is the first mover and we probably wont buy abyone is certain stories are to be believed. This year hasnt started very well at all has it!
Well Franchise that is my theory. I am not asking you to agree with it.
Sagna is brilliant. Not perfect but brilliant anyway. We had the chavs under control til he got injured last season.
lol good point avenell, were are the strikers gone?
In the last minute against the AV game, sagna was the only one still playing, the rest of the team were ballwatching as if they were on the bench…
avenell true but b4 u cross u dont just hit the ball hopefully. u try to pick a target by looking up
Sagna has only played bad since Theo was put in front of him.. What a coincidence!
i would like us to clone bosingwa and sagna
i dont think wenger lacks ambition i think once they got the emerirates i think funs were going to tight a few years,so has to invest on younger players,i think he has the money just not as mush as people think most likly around 20-30 mill mark,but he managed to find top players before without having to spend more 10 million per player i dont see why he cant do that again,players like henry,edwardo,viera,sangna,clichy,fab,.so i dont believe wenger will have to spend 15-20 mill on one players wenger i think i hope is looking for player who has at least 2-3 years first team football
Passing with out looking? That is what Bentner does all day, everyday!!!!!!!!!!
ave theo bad link up player
Ade is pretending he is Thierry on the left. RVP is sitting in the centre circle pulling up his socks.. What’s the point of looking up?
Both Sagna and Clichy have been affected by the loss of a quality DM. They dont attack as much because there is no cover for them and in Clichys case they have no confidence so they make misakes.
Franchise.. I know I said he’s not an arsenal type player and i got slaughtered on here and was told I deserved it!!!
Crossing does nothing for our team anyway because the strikers are never in the box. Van Persie is our best crosser of a ball so he cant do both.
So jealous of Man Utd right now Tosic looks a great player!! Tosic, Rooney, Vidic, Ronaldo, Anderson, Carrick, Tevez what a team that is………….
How exciting to be a Utd fan today?? god its painful being a gooner these days
all we get from wenger is constant denial of players we are linked with then 2 years later will say he had chance to sign him but didnt!!!!!!!!! Urrrggghhhh
Just spend sum of our god damn money & give us gooners a real team again!!! When is this gonna end????????????????????????
Even the reserves play more in the Arsenal way, tiangle passing and movement.
Route 1 first team need to learn it again.
looks like the uefa cup for us then lads
triangle.
Goona P i feel u. i said a few days ago that i was jealous of UTD’s recent success and i was almost slaughtered
We dont have one disciplined player in the team. The defenders want to attack and the attackers dont know where to be when attacking. We miss loads of chances because there is noone finishing moves off, be it a header or a shot on target. We need a poacher who wont leave the box unless its to create space for a midfield runner. Janco or Progregnyak(or whatever way its spelt) ie a giant CF.
Avenell
Walcott is one of Geoff’s sacred cows but I don’t think that anyone will be able to improve on Pedro’s discription.
“Walcott is a Ford Fiesta with a Ferrari engine”
i misss the uefa cup
Uefa cup might end up being a bonus so don’t count on it
I don’t agree with that we only created 2 chances against Pompey.
We used to create between 15 and 25 per game.. The midfield is fucked.
London… alright mate?
It was Pedro who said i deserved it lol.
The diference between us and united is that their youngsters coming into the team are surrounded by experienced talent. Our kids are surrounded by Kids and have toomuvh responsibility. Is it just me or do their kids fit into their team with ease? Anyone we promote takes a long time to fit it. United play Evans regularly now, even in the CL and doesnt look out of place. And Welbeck even. Our kids coming into the first team look lost for the most part. Only a few look top class.
Doesnt anyone share the opinion that Mikel Arteta was never a realistic target.
1. He would be much much costly than the rumored 12 million.
2. Why would Everton let their best player go?
I think this January we will spend a max of 20 million.
Arshavin deal is a lot complicated. We need a plyer of his calibre and talent undoubtedly. But being unproven it is insane to splash anything over 13-14 million.
I think a defensive mid would come on known… someone who isnt well known.
I think these are the two minimum players that we will sign. But I would also hope that we sign Hangeland on loan.
I think Roman being the first millionaire to invest in pl club would be the first to divest. It is not a profitable business if you stop winning. I think it is a matter of months now when we will see Chelsea deflating. Only Mancity are immune from the economic crisis. And we are very close to dominating owing to our strong financial conditions.
And I do not believe buying players necessarily gives us a better chance of winning anything in this season where almost every team except the big four is happy to play out a draw.
This season is weird…. and I still believe 80-82 points would win the league.
I have a spare ticket for tomorrow if anyone is interested. Face value ofc.
Right now I’d take the Uefa cup but after the window, who knows! We probably wont buy anyone and will get 5th(if we are lucky)
Ikon are you a Wenger spokes person or what??
lol ikon. Wenger in disguise!
Can someone throw Wenger a shoe, or two, as a protest against his policy…? Preferably a pink one..
Everton need strikers and Moyes has to sell to buy and the story is that he is willing to sacrafice Arteta.
Who the fuck told anyone we had money?
Why did you believe accounting statements/chairmen/the manager/newspapers? Companies that survived the great depression are going to the wall this year. All bets are off.
The people who run the worlds finances don’t have a freaking clue, anything you think you know about Arsenals finances is a GUESS.
The evidence of the available transfer kitty is there right before your eyes – the current state of our fucking squad.
Why dont Hill-Wood and Co. sell a castle or two to provide the club with some funds…? The made the money from the fans, now its time to give it back, or are you scared to be poor like us??
Avenell
Happy new year.
What do you think the chances are of getting Arteta?
you watch if we make the europa cup how many fans will turn up id say at least 30.000
IMO From what is coming out of the club at present, I see one signing at the most. I think the announcement by PHW this morning was to put out the message to the likes of Arshavin we will not pay big money for him, we want him it seems looking at Wengers comment but in this climate we will not pay silly money. I think we have said here is the deal take it or leave it, PHW makes his comment and Wenger says no progress as yet.
All of that said, imo, we will end up signing no-one, comments will be people wanted silly money, we willnot pay it, we have a strong enough squad…wenger is always building for tomorrow……tomorrow…tomorrow, the suns gonna come out tomorrow……..and we all know tomorrow never actually comes!
I for one will not be sucked in by the lines in later months about 2 or 3 world class signings that arsenal fans will be over the moon about….forget 09/10 season tickets for me unless I see some movement this window to show a desire to win.
True with the likes of Ramsey, Wilshere, Vela, merida shwoing potential…without experience to complement we will revert to UEFA cup challenges.
no chance at all
its europa cup lolllllll
the stadium will be lie man city’s on a europa cup night empty
TonyS.. bang your head against a wall.. I have given up on that one.. time will tell who is wrong or right.
London I’d say less than 30%
I don’t like all this I saw a player on you tube, I want him at arsenal crap going on at the moment so I stay out of it mainly.
tomorrow if we get beat will not shock me one little bit especially if he sends out them reserves
afternoon all,
hhhahahahahahaah, what a laugh, some ramblings of an old fool who sold his shares years ago and could be next on fiszmanns hit list
and the same old wenger spin
im gonna wait until february before making judgements and i dont expect us to wait until deadline day either
I will be interested to see how the stadium looks tomorrow. ST count for this one, but will people vote with their feet due to current statements coming from the club.
its all one way traffic at arsenal thes days we have hit a massive downward spiral and we just keep on sinking.its like the board and wenger are our enemys
Why doesn’t Hill Wood sell a castle? Because Hill Wood is not as wealthy as many might think. No where near as wealthy as Fizman for example. Hill Wood sold his shares to David Dein in the early eighties for around 350,000, which nowdays, would only buy you a flat in Highbury Square.
time to make a stand tomorrow and let the wankers on the board know we are not ammused
if we dont sign anyone, i aint going to no more games, it costs me an arm and a leg as it is in travel expenses and so on,
i aint going no more.
that p.h.w cunt needs to have a heart attack befoer we start moving again
Pedro- focusing on the title of your post, IMO your right on… Look at Leeds, they’ve been trying to get back into top flight football for a long time, always spending more and more money with no availe. If AFC doesnt spend now, we will feel the effects for years to come, when all the board members are retired or dead…
I love Arsenal, but I really HATE the emirates uae fukkkinggg stadium name from hell
lolz stu… I said what I thought as realistic.
If we forget about the frustrations that we have been carrying over wenger decisions I think we would think more realistically.
If we hadnt lost to Stoke, Hull, or dropped points at Villa and pool, we would be top of the league without playing awesome football. I dont think we would be so desperate for signings.
If anyone can explain me our accounts a little clearly I can comment on that too. I am not defending the board. But when Wenger goes on to say things like “….we can go bankrupt” it has to be taken seriously.
As far as I know, economic condition is going to worsen for the next 10 months at least. Not long ago we had 70 million to spend, I think had we spent 50 of it, we would be selling our best players at the moment.
Wenger’s decisions are highly questionable. But the answer lies in buying big, I am not sure.
jon jon you will be label’d as a good time fan lolllllll this is the time when the team needs you the most lollllllllllllllllllllhahahhah
BBK like the board who have £400 mill invested want to see the club in the shit!!
Afternoon JonJon
I think you are absolutly right. I would not be surprised to find that Hill Wood is next on Fizman’s hit list. The revolution in the board room has already started.
im sorry i just don’t buy into this poverty stricken shit
you never know the europa cup might be fun
London- dont tell me that wank has no money, ah!
bollox to them BBK. i aint bothered what people call me, i fork out over a grand a year to go support my team and i aint even got a season ticket, i cant afford a grand as it is, never mind forking it out to go suport a team that treats the fans like shit.
let them call me what they want, if they want me to go then let them give me that grand and ill happily go on thier money, and i bet im not the only one who feels this way.
jonjon i know what your saying m8 calm down calm down lol
JonJon
That three day bender has made you a bit grumpy. Lol
If I lived in or around London I would go every week and follow arsenal into the championship if I had to.
fucking right jon jon these cunts have been mugging us off for far to long now its time for a stand
hahaha
just woke up properly guys, then i read all this shit, and manutd have forked out another 16mil, and they won the double last year, man im pissed off
rant over, how are we all??
Just seen i/v with Moyes, he got quite stroppy when asked about Arteta and us, very defensive. Said he could and would only go for loan players…. mme, that sounds promising…..
Sagna type, i meant i hadnt heard of him but he is quality, and like QoS, i could not care if he is not a big name, if he slots in straight away and plays bloody well, i dont care what his name is…
Wenger is definately going to buy a player or 2, there is something about his i/v, but it wont be Given as he said we def wont be looking at any keeper
we don’t have too be where we are them pricks on the board and wenger chose this path,it was definitely the wrong road to go down
Hi ave
My money is on Arshavin coming. I would like Arteta as well but Wenger seemed a bit too specific in his denial, the same way he was with Given.
HAHAHA avenell, would you follow them into the Championship if they were still paying the highest wages and charged the highest prices?
if i had the money to burn then i probably would too, but i dont.
JJ – they can only field 11
jonjon..I am caught, I love the club, have 2 x ST..but am totally losing the faith when I see players that our manager seems to think can win us the PL, CL or even the FAC in the form of song, eboue bentner and denilson. he has better players at his disposal that he refuses to give any real game time to…that imo would have us in a better position than we are in now given the time on the pitch. (Vela, Ramsey as an example.)
Against Pompey, around me everyone was really quiet, until Vela and Ramsey got on…then the spirit lifted and so did the noise.
haharr lolllll big up jon jon and his 3 day bender woop woop
Right with you JJ, im also pissed off about how nothing is happening in AFC to counter the ManU domination in English and world football…
Hi Rico how are you
£35 quid a week is about the same everywhere in the prem isn’t it?
I’m like you JJ 300 miles away) but if it was just admission big deal..
i reckon with wenger’s and the boards vision we can dominate english football around say 3009
BBK
That’s funny. Lol
In some ways i’d rather we went down and got rid of some of the glory hunting spoilt fans who only know success..
happy new year avenell, i hear ya mate
are tickets available on match day? i thought they were all sold on on the regular.
Btw I rate Zhirkov that chelsea are about to sign
I’ld rather we didnt go down because we are the only club in the top flight never to be relegated. We might as well hold onto that record because doesnt look like we’re geting any other ones any time soon. I would rather we got 5th and all the shit players left, but then we might only have a squad of 6 so….
ESPN Classic are showing the Cup Winners Cup final of 1994 Arsenal Vs Parma…
“The FA Cup is one of three trophies that we go for with regular players,” said Wenger.
“It is one of the major priorities of the season.”
Oh no it isn’t mr.wenger,does your memory stretch as far back as LAST season,where you sent out a tam which was humiliated,and i for one felt embarrassed by our performance.
On another theme,who is the arsenal player of the month for december ? actually i think we should give that one a miss, that’s how good we are. and were is the wonderkid bischoff ?
???if wenger was to leave at the end of the season do you reckon there would be a mass exodus?and if so what players do you think would follow?????
it sounds bad but id rather not finish for the CL, if thats what makes wenger change the squad then so be it.
hes a proud man who is proud of the fact that he has taken us into europe 10years on the bounce,
one season away from it would be a shock to the system
Zhirkov is good but neither a left back nor a winger so where will he play? Probably left back i suppose. Imagine that- a rival having 2 good players for only 1 position. How strange!
I voted Nasri and commented that everyone was lazy on the pitch!
BBK all of them cos no other manager would work with them
ave, of the bug still, but otherwise fine thanks, and you all ?
oops – full of………… !!
lolllllll jj
Afternoon all, I have to say that I can’t see us and Zenit agreeing a fee for Arseshaving. They want a bucket load of roubles, we don’t like spending money, especially on 28 yr-olds. But I am prepared to be surprised – I do remember Wenger downplaying him during the Euros and saying that he doubted he could be a consistent performer week-in week-out. This is a) actually true, and b) the exact kind of thing AW would say if he was interested in a player. Whatever people may think of the boss currently, there is no doubt that he has a razor-sharp mind, so it wouldn’t surprise me if it had been a smokescreen.
oh and London thanks for your comment a day or two ago, it was noted with appreciation, and at £5m a year or whatever it is, I would graciously accept your recommendation
BBK, most of the plyers would leave because they came here to learn off of Wenger. And if they didnt want to go they would be sold anyway because the next manager wouldnt dream of playing them.
Should Wenger leave most of our squad will be fucked, thinking “shit! now where will we get all this money for being for ruining a club!”
JJ – just woke up ????
We will fight to the end!!!
god this logging in business is tedious -.-
wengers already thrown in the towel vandejie
London. Hill-Wood … poor? Hardly. When I was a kid, I washed his Dad’s Roller. They lived in Hampstead Garden Suburb in one of those beautiful houses overlooking the Heath.
Still live there I hear.
HNY to you
it dont surprise me wenger is keeping his cards close to his chest, everyone knows we need players and prices will be through the roof, and the last time wenger was open about admiring a player chelsea came in with a 23mil bid for him the next day
hes not going to say ive got 30mil to spend cos if he wants arteta everton will ask for 20mil, when we could get hi for less then 15, its all spin spin spin.
yes rico, give me an hour and il be ok.
BBK
maybe a miracle is going about to happen….
who knows?
If AW leaves, none of the squad will follow him.
Two reasons… One, AW is not Arsenal. With or without him, we are still a top club. How many of the current squad would get near the Barca, AC, MU, Real, Bayern first teams ?
Two, These guys have contracts, and after the Flamini debacle, I would guess the Arsenal lawyers have made players contracts as tight as a duck’s rear-end.
vandejie lollllllll
great to have you back raddy!!
but don’t you think big r wenger has put us where we are???
United sign Tosic and Ljajic for 16.4 million pounds!!! WTF? Sometime Wenger will say, ” We were after Ljajic, but we were outbid.”
Its not just who would want t leave but also about who would be sold.
But if Wenger takes a job at board level would he let those players be sold?
do you think we would be where we are with another manager?????
if wenger never took over
with another manager this team we would be relegated.
it would take another manager over 100mil to fix the team to how they want it.
I really hope we can secure the 4th place…
That’s the miracle I’m talking about.
To secure the 4th place in PL.
If Wenger didnt take over we wouldnt be where we are now but that doesnt give him permission to put us back where we were when he arrived either.
Valencia have admitted they would consider parting company with star men David Villa and David Silva if they were to receive an ‘exorbitant’ offer.
it looks highly unlikely now id say vandejie especially if they do not bring anybody in
pat man city are all over that one
I agree with JJ…
with other manager considering the current squad that we have, we might now battling from relegation IMO.
But if we had another manager would he have allowed the squad to be so bad right now?
another manager wouldnt have been able to do the job wengers done with no money
BBK, I was thinking about Silva, not Villa.
I think JonJon and BOY BETTER KNOW SHO!!!! is the same person!!!!!!
so we are going to sign Arshavin.?????..He did nt say we are not interested as he said about Arteta…
Stu, we are not going to have another manager until Arsene himself resigns from the club.
Everyone know that the board 100% behind wenger.
how come nobody complained about highbury when we were winning the league but now suddenly its not big enough.this stadium has set us back so much
you think we could buy silva pat?they would go for the same price
I know that vandejie, i thinkeveryone knows that. He probably wont renew his current contract tho. He will have a massive say on his replacement so lets hope he picks someone good soon so they can be groomed foe the job.
If we were to appoint a former player who would you all appoint? Bould seems the likliest option if we prompte from within. Well?
evening jonjon,bbk and others.
wenger wont be sacked he has another 2 years left and then he will go back to paris st.germain as president,back to his so called roots in france.
what might happen if we don’t qualify for the c.l. is that we will sell again,and we are fast running out of quality players worth big money.only 3 would bring in mega bucks,cesc,rvp and ade(of last year) in fact the more i think about it we will sell someone even if we do qualify.
Silva is too much money for wenger.
I doubt it will happen.
Villa would go for much more than SIlva. If we were to get Silva, we’d have to say no to Arshavin. They’re about the same price and the Russian has higher wages, I think.
Against Plymouth:
“However that is not why I think Arsene should play a strong team in the third round; and an injury to Denilson already undermines that concept. The reason for playing a strong team is that Arsenal’s league form needs lifting. In particular Adebayor and RvP need to find the net far more often.
There is no mid week match coming up, so no one needs a rest. The team needs to get out there and score lots of goals. Though that is easier said than done. This team lacks confidence; it needs to find it, and perhaps a bit of magic in the cup could rub off into the league. Players often regain form against, with all respect to Plymouth, lesser teams.”
We are very like Ajax in a way now. We both were formerly challenging for the league but in the last few years we havent been good enough and always sell our star performers. But Ajax got in a diff manager and are top now (i think). Obviously im only talking about the last 10-15 years tho.
evening kelsey m8 you well fella
Whos words are those Pat?
if another manager came in now we would be fucked, if we had another manager instead of wenger we wouldnt have the stadium, we would have never seen henry, pires or vieira play for us
wenger is not suddenly gone shit, hes just changed his philosphy to suit the spending, but when other teams are spending 60mil everyseason its hard to keep up
wengers done a great job,
really we could say other teams are spending to stay ahead of us, in a world without a transfer market, we would sweep up everything, but in the real world there is one and teams are using it to keep ahead of us, we should use it too,
Pat rice?
Adams?
Actually I don’t know who is suit for the job…don’t have any idea abt that.
one or two quality signings, and we are right back in the mix, but wenger wants to be the man who breaks the monopoly of big spenders, the table doesnt lie, but when the teams around us have all spent multi millions on their team, we arent doing that badly,
replacing wenger is not a realistic option at the minute.
I actually like Ramos. yes, the ex-Spud manager. He’s a great manager and I really have no idea why he did so bad with Spurs. He’s top class.
AW: “Lukasz Fabianski will play in the FA Cup this season. You might see Aaron Ramsey as well. But the rest will be the regular team.”
Stu
ajax won the cl 4 times!!!
DAMN…I’m so desperate for the title…i mean we are.
If we didn’t win PL this season, I can accept any team except manscum.
i reckon steve bould could have a shout at being next arsenal manager
pft Pat Rice.
Thats a good one. We might as well just but Herbert Chapmans statue in charge.
Wow. Never thought I’d read a rumor linking us with Ji Sung Park
vandejie throw the chavs into that mix aswell
steve bould knows the arsenal way.he was a top top defender for us so he knows its important for us to build from the back,he’s doing a fantastic job with the younger team all in all id say give him a go at the job when wenger packs it in
pat…
lol…can u provide the link?
I would take Park. Fine player.
Another manager ? Why ? I accept AW is experimenting, I just wish he would be open about it, and say that we may have a few more years in ‘transition’.
This squad will win doodly squat.
Gris, whats your point?
Seb – When you log onto WordPress, put a tick in the box that says ‘remember me’, it keeps you logged then, and saves all that keep logging on thing
We should go for the FACup. Our only chance of silverware. CL is realistic too, as long as we don’t face any “smaller” clubs.
Raddy – Spot On, give us all the TRUTH and we would understand, mixed tales come out of our club and that winds us up
Not Bouldy, not TA, not DB10. Not O’Leary, nor Brady. We need a proven manager to take over from the Great Man when he decides to hang up his tracksuit.
Right now, I would be grooming Slaven Bilic, and offer him a pre-contract deal.
The FA Cup is the only chance we have. We wont win the CL because we cant defend and need 10 shots to score once.
I think we are after Arshavin, but someone has said it already, I doubt we will be able to agree a fee with Zenit and it will go down as another nearly signings.
I think todays comments from Wenger were a little bit more informative for the fans, and I welcome that, but I do fear that it lays the foundations for an excuse if we dont sign anyone in Jan. I am in no doubt the club will bid for players, but matching the selling clubs valuation is a whole different story.
Its funny, if any other club other than us win the league, i hope its Villa first, then Manure – Dont like them but they play football with quality players – My dislike is Chelski and Liverpool, big time
Rico… you are becoming a computer whizz !! Who would have thought it. You can be the new Choy
Raddy – you hear the news today about Bilic wanting to quit as International Manager?
cheeky Raddy, i learned only because i got fed up with logging on, and wondered what that box did, – hey presto
Ji Sung Park no thanks
would be another prime example of accepting 2nd rate average players. the only benefit would be asian merchandise sales.
I see Spuds have approached Podolski,
Now that is a player I would like to see at the club.
MU for me Rico. They are a joy to watch – just makes me sick . Because if we had competed on the transfer front, we would be in the driving seat. We had a chance to create a dynasty, and the new ridiculous buy-in policy has cost us dear.
Big Raddy, happy new year.
I didn’t say that Hill Wood was poor. I just said that I don’t think he is as wealthy as people might think. A house in Hamstead Garden suburb and a nice car? Most of the first team have that and much more.
thanks rico, top shout
now I can be yellow all the time!
Too true London
But you know what they say about fools and money….
If pool win it we will never hear the end of it. If United win they are the most successful english club ever and if Chelsea win it they will be level with us on prem titles and thats just not fair after 5 years as a top club.
Seb
What does your avator mean?
Thomas! Charging through the midfield!
Thomas, IT’S UP FOR GRABS NOWWWWWWWWWW!
Thomas, right at the end, the Liverpool players are down absolutely abject …
How does that song go (wish he would) Raddy
Oh, I could have been me……. Me being our club of course
You can only praise old red nose, gets his players today, and he says, thats it for this year, then he said, no, this season….. that is a club who will sacrifice a lot to win…
Seb – no probs
Seb.
That must be the finest commentary of all time. “Abject”….. I love it.
Up there with “there’s people on the pitch. They think it’s all over. It is now”
Perfect. And I am so happy London asked. Every time I see it I will think of May 26th. 1989
Rico.
MU are a Big Club. We have shown that we aren’t
Big Clubs ? Real, Barca, MU, AC and Bayern.
Which goes to show that winning the domestic title doesn’t make a Big club. Inter may be head and shoulders better than AC for the past few years, but they are no way the bigger club.
evening all… been so busy lately.
About arshavin, wenger did not say “no” like he said when asked about shay given.
He said that there has been no progress.. am I reading too much into this?
Nice one Seb
Someone is going to get “One minute” soon.
well we all need a reminder of good times – not to mention our ‘traditional’ away colours!
evening london.. BR and Miss le grove
just to cheer you all up,this week is the first anniversary since rosicky got injured.how much is that in wages.the accounts should show players and non players wages and why are we 70million more in debt in the published accounts for 2008.
No I dont think you are reading too much into it Choy, but I am not getting too excited by it as I just dont think we will match the valuation.
hello to you kelsey and seb as well.. how is it going lads.. any news? apart from wenger not leaving ?
Hello Pat.. yeah at least it looks like we have made an offer.. thats a start
just watched a rerun of our 5-2 win against gillingham in 2002.christ , jeffers was shit and grimaldi not much better,yet we went on to win the cup
Juve is bigger than AC Milan
1989…wasn’t even born yet!!
choy evening,
has toure got a groin strain or not.kind of convenient he isn’t available for tomorrow.
pat,
arshavin is on 90k a week at the moment,so even with a drop in price and wages,to me he isn’t a priority.a central defender or holding midfielder must take preference.
I wondered that about Kolo, but Wenger seems adamant he is not selling, but he was about Hleb as well. Ok Hleb might have pulled out the Webster card as pointed out earlier but he still said he was under contract and going nowhere.
Personally I would take the cash and buy a replacement. Kolo has been pretty poor for a year now and you wonder if he needs a fresh challenge himself. He also looks like a Competitor for Huddlestone at Fat Camp.
Raddy – once again you are Spot On, and isn’t that so very sad
Starsky & Hutch, Capt Holby has died today
May he RIP
kelsey don’t know the fook is up with toure.. however i do think that denilson is being rested.
Kelsey I think a creative player is as important as a defensive one.. we seem to be creating fuck all these days.
Arshavin said he won’t even ask for 75,000 EUROS a week. He knows how we are with money. He said that 2 days ago, maybe 3.
Definately Kelsey, for me the Holding Midfielder is the priority but I do think we are lacking creativity, I cant believe how few chances we are creating game to game.
I am not fussed on a CB, we are covered with Djourou, Gallas and Silvestre. And Toure if he stays. I only want a CB if Kolo or Gallas leave.
In order of priority for me it is
DM
Winger
Striker
CB
Keeper
Manager
Hleb had a much bigger impact in games than Nasri. Cesc had much more room to operate last year when Hleb played. Do you guys see why I miss him, or do you still think Nasri is better?
Evening Grovers!
How are we all? January 2nd… officially one of the most depressing days…
Gym, nothing to look forward to… credit card bills!
What could make me feel better? Oh yeah, some top signings in the next week!
Pat, not until his 3rd year.
Flamini and Hleb are fools. Our system suited their style perfectly. Hleb and Cesc controlled the pace of games, Flamini worked his socks off.
Damn Arsenal for not trying harder to keep them.
pat..
we will see at the end of the season.. if nasri ends up winning nothing as well
nasri does seem to be turning up at home, lets see him bring up the away form as well.
Pedro, I agree he was shit for the 2 previous years, but so was the whole team!
Last year we had it all clicking.
Pat hleb… was 26 and was here 3 seasons nasri is 21 and has been here 1/2 in a poor midfield and has had injuries..
Is it fair to compare?
Hey, can anyone find the article where we were linked with a £40/£30million player?
Wenger keeps banging on about it… but I haven’t read it?
I think we needed both of them Pat
I always thought scoring goals was the only thing missing in Hleb’s locker, apart from that he was World Class.
If no one had left in the Summer and we had bought Nasri and Ramsey, I would have been over the moon. I also think we would be top now.
Nasri was what we missed last year, Lehmann, Hleb, Flamini and Gilberto as cover are what we are missing this year!!!!!
Pat, at least Hleb had the pleasure of playing with some great players. Poor old Nasri doesn’t have anyone exceptional to play with in midfield… bar Cesc.
Agree with that Avenell,
We cant look at Nasri as Hleb’s replacement. I am sure we would still have bought him if Hleb had stayed.
The thing with nasri is that he can be shit, but still score. I think he’ll be better than Hleb in the long run, since he’s still young.
Pat, I doubt it… when does Wenger ever have competition for places in his squad?
sorry… patthegooner that last one was for.
the trouble is that gallas and silvestre are both over 30 and you know what that means.i confess i don’t know how long either is contracted till.
i think raddy hit it on the head,all we want is the truth,not complete opposite quotes coming from the board and wenger.if there is money available be it 10 or 30 million it must be spent otherwise we will fall further behind.if there really isn’t then so be it and wenger is doing a remarkable job with next to no funds.i know which version i believe
Everone uses Bendtner and Songs age as an excuse but Nasri is only a year older and new to the prem and is expected to fit straight in.
True Pedro, but it would have given us a strong bench.
I still cant fathom how the Club think they can let the three best Defensive Midfielders go in the space of 6 months and try and cuff it with options 4,5 & 6.
Not even David Blaine would attempt that magic trick
I don’t think anyone expected Nasri to slot straight in… French players never do. He has to adapt to the pace and the strength of the league. That is why it would have been ideal for him to learn his trade alongside Hleb.
Pat, I’ve always wondered that with Arsene… he has never had a decent size squad and the years we’ve missed out on the league have often been because Wenger squads can’t take an injury crisis.
I think we should sign Axel Witsel and Blaise Matuidi..
Everyone would want these names on their backs, maybe even combine the two..
Avenell, I’m comparing based on what we needed NOW, THIS season. Not in the future. Stop talking about the future like Wenger. We’ve won fuck all the last 4-5 years. We miss hleb really bad.
Avenell I hate the age excuse
At the end of the day, Wenger has chosen these players to be part of the 1st Team and as such age can’t be taken into consideration. We are here to win trophies and to compete. You are either good enough or you are not and in both Song and Bendtners case they are not. You use the Youth, Reserves and Loan deals to develop players not the 1st team and even if you do use the 1st team, you limit the amount of positions you are fucking with. We are carrying too many average players in any given starting 11 and it is not good management.
I know Pedro, and when was the last season we didn’t have an injury crisis?
We don’t just miss Hleb.. This depression started last january when hleb was still playing.
We miss Flamini, Hleb and Rosicky equally ….I bet Cesc did too…
Keyser, I’ve watched Witsel play before… he looks a good prospect. No idea about the other guy.
Pat, Nasri was a good buy… he’s not a long term future player, he is a second half of the season player. There aren’t many players who settle immediately and give you great performances. Even ronaldo took 3 seasons.
I wouldn’t be worrying about Nasri… I’d be worrying about Song and Eboue… they’ve been here years and they are still not cutting it.
and Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Pires and Ljungberg Avenell
Although currently pretty inconsistent, I think Nasri has shown some really promising signs. I think he will only get better.
Pat… kind of last year I think.
The core of our team stayed fit.
I know we lost Rocky, RvP and Eduardo… but we kept the back 4 mostly fit, the keeper stayed fit and our main striker did.
We should have been in a position to cope with those losses.
Pedro – It’s only been in recent years where we’ve started hearing about 2 World Class players for every position, before that really United had the best squads around and we’d just have to make do.
If we went like for like of all the players we’ve had out compared to previous Arsenal squads would we have done aswell ?!
It’s weird how much the leagues changed in the last few years, teams like Villa spend 30 million a season now.
Song was signed on loan September 2005, and signed permanently August 2006.
There’s still time for him to come good!!
or is that the xmas goodwill to all men still talking…. ie bullshit
ahh if only we had persuaded Hleb to stay… just like Fergie did with Ronaldo and O Neil did with Barry
Pedro – I just like the names, imagine hearing them in commentary, Heh, Witsel’s good put ina couple of good performances against Liverpool and Everton, but is young and the Belgium league isn’t anywhere near the Premiership at the moment.
Keyser, I’m not asking for 2 world class players in each position. Just a squad capable of fielding a right midfielder when an injury occurs… not a right back. Or a squad capable of putting a left winger out wide… not a lanky centre mid.
You don’t need 2 world class players in every position… shit… we don’t even have one world class player for every position.
We should have been able to cope but with Rosicky especially we were suddenly playing Diaby and Denilson as Left Wingers.
Pat… We were lucky to have had the privilage of having those as arsenal players and all at the same time.
Keyser, Fellani is doing ok… Kompany is not the worst player. Eboue came out of the Belgium league
I just can’t see that Seb.
When you look at the younger players you would at least like to see signs of improvement and I really just dont get Song. He is consistently poor and then we does shock and have an average game it stands out and people think he is brilliant when in fact he is still pants.
Yes we definately were Avenell, but arguably we could have replaced them better…
Pat, I was looking at the stats the other day… and I reckon Rosicky was our most critical loss last season.
6 goals and 2 assists in 15 games… imagine if he’d played 35 like the rest of the midfield.
That would have been 14 goals and 5 assists (I think)… could that have won us the league?
Maybe!
“We do have a specific budget. It is not as big as I have read in the newspapers but we will try to use it wisely and well if we can.”
“It is amazing what you can get for a tenner at Woolworths. The players will enjoy those hot water bottles and pastel blue bedside lamps, when I am reading them their bedtime stories.”
Once Rosicky was injured, we had that 5 game winless streak.
Seb, I like your positivity on Song!
I just don’t see it. Normally with a struggling player you can see signs…
Freddie looked poor… but he was always in good positions to score… he just needed to hit the target.
Flamini was a bit of a head case, but if he learnt to channel his energy, he was going to be good.
Pires just needed to get the ball out of his feet a bit quicker and be a bit more clinical.
Song… well, he has no pace, his passing is poor, his tackling is poor and he has 0 concentration. He is literally a body on the pitch… and Pat… spot on about Song having an average performance and everyone talking about it like it was a MoM game.
Keyser
“teams like Villa spend 30 million a seson now” Says it all really. Just how far behind we are.
No one answered me earlier… where is the link to the £40million player Wenger goes on about every transfer window?
I can’t find it anywhere?
Pedro – But thats it though, Chelsea have that or have had that and we’re ether going to have to work towards that or wait for them to fall back. United have just followed suit, it took them a couple of years, but now they’ve startd spending almost as heavily.
Fellaini – He suits Everton, they’ve got him and little minions running around him.
Kompany – He’s not shown anything particularly special.
Eboue – Is probably one of the best imports we’ve ever had from Belgium..
GM, it’s amazing the Villa with all 14 of their corporate boxes can afford such sums… I am pretty sure Randy Lerner doesn’t dip into his own pocket to fund the transfers.
catch you all tomorrow, my bed calls
Be good and be safe
Nighty night
I try to think of it like this:
Will these players get worse, or better?
It has got to be the latter.
The issue is the rate of improvement.
I would rather a can of stella than eboue.
bye rico, that’s what happens when you get up at 3am!
Bye rico
Villa summed him up to me Pedro
He was asleep on the corner where he just let Sidwell run past him to head against the post, and then the lazy idiot did exactly the same thing on the very next corner.
And sometimes when you see the camera pan out and you look at the teams shape, there is this gaping whole in Midfield and it is then like spot the ball or now known as spot the Song to try find out how far out of position he actually is.
And when you look at his whole game, if I was a Swansea or a Forest fan, he would probably look out of his depth there as well. It is a crime that he is playing for a top four football club and a perfect example for when people talk about rubbish foreigners taking the place of home grown talent.
Keyser, third best import… Kolo was first… and Stella Artois second… then Kolo third, because I can’t think of anything else we Arsenal sell that is shipped from there.
Man U have always spent heavily. It’s what keeps them on top. Arsenal aren’t even in the top half for spending for the whole league… we all have similar revenue streams (Bar the Chavs, but they are in the same boat as everyone else now).
Seb, what happens if they’ve peaked… I mean, Senderos didn’t ever get better did he? He regressed if anything… the same with Aliadiere.
Pat, the same in the Boro game before… he just nods off.
What happened to Bischoff… he is like the new Stefan Malz…!
Before the window I was worried we wouldn’t buy anyone now it’s here I still think the same so I don’t know why I’m still depressed. Manu have just spent 14 million on jan 2nd after spending 30 million on count dracula in the summer. We’ll (me anyway) probably still be on le grove 2 hours after the window closes talking about out of contract players like appiah.
Blog hogging! haha!
Villa’s spending is pretty much all down to Randy Lerner, they wouldn’t be going anywhere if it weren’t for him.
They owe him something like 50 million in loans I think I read somewhere, everyone goes on about how good a job O’Neill is doing without mentioning how much money he’s spending.
You mean Bischoff that we were going to see after 2-3 months!!!!
God knows, is he even in the squad for tomorrow or is he another duffer that we will bring into the squad next year to play every position apart from his own.
I am being harsh there, I did see him in one reserve game and he looked quite good.
Keyser, what is wrong in spending sensible amounts of money in a sensible way? He’s done a great job on a modest budget.
I’m off home. I think the spuds are playing at home tonight. My tube’s going to stink
Pedro – They were the only team we were competing with for a few years, what was the difference in revenue before we moved ? They’ve staurated almost every market in the World just by pimping out players like Beckham and Far East tours, we’ve got a long long way to go.
Even Chelsea I think we’re going to have to wait a few years, they fucked up big team with the players they bought, Shaun Wright Phillips for 21 million, if they’d bought Villa back then he’d have made them multiple amounts more.
O’Neill is not spending that much is he?
I am not asking us to try and match Chavski, that would be irresponsible and impossible, I am just asking us to use the available resources to buy enough players of class that will then enable us to challenge.
Keyser, how do you make an impact in a market that is already saturated by another football team? You can only support one team can’t you? Who is going to buy into the Arsenal dream in China? No real superstars… no cups… no leagues…
Success on the pitch allows you to pimp your club, so those markets will stay Manc for a while.
That tosser Wayne Bridge is money grabbing again.. I hope Man City sign another left back and bench him..
Pedro – It’s not a modest budget, seriously it’s not just spending, it’s net spending, in the last couple of years it’s 50 million net I think, he’s just been quietly accumlating and Lerner’s just let him dip into his pockets. Without having to really sell anyone.
Only two teams, one of them is Inter have equalled or exceeded his spending this past year.
Pedro – It’s all on a timeline, unless we get massive investment into the club without having to pay it back right away, we’re going to have to stick with the way we’re dealing with it now. A player here or there could help but in terms of the teams around us we’re going to still have to be extremely clever.
United were pimping out there club back in the 90′s when we were still trying to mount a serious challenge.
Keyser, £50million over 3 years is hardly bank breaking.
£40 odd million in TV money, UEFA Cup cash… full stadium most of the time…
It’s only Arsenal who see a cash surplus from transfers as an ever season must.
Villa are the 6th highest net spenders in the last 5 years… Arsenal are 18th.
http://www.purelymancity.com/wp-content/5yearspendingcomparison.jpg
Wow, even reading have invested more money than us!
Comical or what?
I agree pedro.. where the fook the money goes i have no frikkin clue.. sunderland ffs spend more than us.. look at man utd.. they’ve already bought two players!!!
Choy, and that is why everyone is catching up with us!
what do you think about arshavin.. wenger didn’t say no.. do you reckon they are negotiating?
Did David Blaine just magic the stadium?
Looking at that table a 5yr net spend by Villa of 40m is actually pretty good in my books.
Keyser we dont need a sugar daddy, we need the Manager to actually do some sensible net spending to accumulate. If the club carries on this policy as it stands, we will be bankrupt for different reasons.
The fans are turning, next it will be Coporate and then it will be Sponsors. Just watch the empty spaces grow towards the end of the season. They might think they have a hoard of red members in the wings but those red members are just as pissed as those that are going.
the emirates avenell? are we back at highbury… does bergkamp and bobby p still play for us?
sorry i dont think arsenal are missing hleb at all hleb was far to indirectfor nasri is mush more suited to prem not a better player just more direct willing take shot more than hleb,hleb had exptional ball retention and dripler and very similar to diaby,arsenal are missing someone who can organise the midfield basically a carming influance and orgainse and intercept and read passes someone with a bit of experience, a work horse and they are missing a wide player with lots of pace they missing wilcatt big time. look the fact we dont if flamani could reproduce the form he showed last season,ade had great last season he he has been quite poore.
i keep on hearing wenger needs to spend big,if look at the big names that arsenal had like henry,viera,pires,lumberg,edwardo,sangna,ade,fab non of he ever spent more than 15 million on wenger going to spend more than 15 million on a player never,if compare arsenals spending liverpool or chelsea and man city they dont have new stadium to off.
look the fact arsenal my be fortunate but they are only 10 points behind which is only 3 games liverpool and chelsea nad manu and most defenatly vill a are goinng drop points we still in it just about. i suspect wenger wenger just has budged of around 20-25 million around that mark and i think he will try bring in some one of exptional with experience if he cant get someone likethat for the right price he might bring in someone in on loan
I really cant see what the problem would be with a net spend of +20m every year on players.
Pedro – It’s not breaking the bank because it’s dipping into the pockets of an investor or getting him to back the loans, if we get an investor in then we could follow suit, until then we’re working on a budget.
I’m not saying we can’t spend, just showing that this is the situation we face, the stadium has had an effect, if teams around us choose to get investors to back then we’re pretty much stuck unless we do the same.
5o million is a lot, do you have this years spending ? Because if it’s net it all adds up.
It’s like bergkamp said when you get your first mortgage you have to keep out of the clubs and pubs for a couple of years.
I thought we had the funds available in Cash reserve, from the profits the club has made
We dont need to be dipping into the pockets of an investor.
Just have SSn on. Wenger apparently said he will only buy exceptional talents. More Songs on the card so. Fudging lovely!!
is it just me that finds Pedros link utterly depressing? We moved stadium to compete with utd/liverpool butwe’re being outspent by reading, bolton etc.
We should be up there with liverpool, £80m over 5 years is nothing if our £37m profits per season are to be believed.
Keyser I dont think anyone is asking us to spend 50m pounds
We are asking to sensibly use the 30m that is available to us to strengthen the squad.
pattheGooner – Take the last two years or three, he’s spent like 40 million and 20-30 million net, I’d need to find the link before I’m certain but he’s spent a hell of a lot.
It’s coming from Lernar, if we had the same fine, as for talk of bankruptcy ? Come on it’s not that bad, Heh.
Definately Gambon
Where the fuck is all the money going?
We built the stadium to compete, but the project isn’t over yet in 2010 we compete.
All the money that goes in disappears and nothing goes out! Where the fuck is the money?
pattheGooner – 30 million ? By all the looks of it, I’d have guessed that was available, but it doesn’t look like it anymore.
Where have I said we need to spend 50 million, i’m just saying it shows how tough a situation we are in and 30 million is probably our whole budget at best, we need to be careful with it.
This is just talk of Villa, we haven’t even looked at united, who’ve spent 60 million for the last couple of season + Tevez.
pathegooner
there is nothing with spending that money if you have the money,as you know wenger has always been very coy about takling about such matters and plus i just think its his style he has never spent any more 15 mill on one player
Hi Grovers, I’ve just got in and read the statement from AW – it appears we are not after Given or Arteta, but he is not denying interest in Arshavin, just saying that a deal hasn’t been done yet
Get to the bookies before the spuds play Wigan, Gareth Bale is playing and whenever he plays they lose, either that or they dont win. What a great player. They should make him captain.
Was he asked about Arshavin?
Pat on the other hand where has all the money come from to build a £400 million pound stadium?
No its not but it could be Keyser.
We need to be filling that stadium, and already gaps are starting to appear. My mate reckons there was at least 5-10 thousand gaps at the Pompey game.
If we dont start showing some ambition, we will be on a steady downward slope, new fans will not choose us, eventually only the hardcore element of probably around 30,000 will go to the games, the sponsor deals will go down as ultimately they want success, attractive football and big names on the park, corporate will not renew, Club level fans will be hard pushed to justify renewals given the standard of football and we will struggle to attract any good players and will lose the ones we have.
I have been looking for the transfer stats myself but could only find them on their individual Wiki pages, I dont think it is as much as you think it is, especially bear in mind that they had a lot of work to do.
if you look at liverpoool ,amu and chelsea on of them are spending realy big expect mabe man city plus the prices are just so inflated its bad time buy players its always better buy in the summer
Well we know that Avenell it came from a manageable loan that we are easily meeting the repayments on.
Yes, he was asked about Arshavin.
Leon,
We have the money though, I base our budget on the fact that the board released a quote stating that Wenger could spend 30m on a player if he wanted to.
So we have 30m to spend on a few players.
Pat half of it does what about the other half?
Rasp, what did he say on Arshavin?
Yes it is better to buy in the Summer but he didnt so we are where we are.
To not buy anyone in this window could be catastrophic for the football club.
So what are you trying to say Avenell,
Despite them saying we have cash we actually havent?
So, another transfer window opens and, no doubt, there will be many of us on here on the last day waiting for us to sign someone, not necessarily a £30m superstar, just someone we have heard of, who’s quite good would do.
We dont need anymore 12 year olds with potential.
We dont need anyone else with exceptional talent, we already have Song, Eboue and Ramsey.
Please Arsenal spend some of our money, (yes our money, we buy the tickets, the shirts etc.), and give us all a Bergkamp moment, you know when you have to buy every newspaper in the shop just to make sure its true!
ps. Happy new year everyone
Apparently this is what Wenger sad when asked about Arshavin….
“There is no progress [on Arshavin]. If there is any progress made you will be informed, I promise you. If we buy a player you will be informed.”
I think Pat is right… we’re not asking for £35million players left right and centre… just the purchasing of some exciting players that can take the squad back to where it was before.
He is also right about us going the other way. Do you really think corporates are going to stump up 3 years worth of cash up front for the boxes this year? No way! Firstly, companies don’t have the cash to do that… secondly, you can’t fill the boxes for love nor money!
If we drop out of the champions league, we’ll lose that £25million bonus… maybe get played less on TV due to the football not being the same standard as it used to…
There are grave ramifications for not spending the money he has if it goes tits up at the end of the year.
£16million a season… that seem reasonable for a club that wants to push into the champions league. Half a berbatov.
but wenger would never spend 30 mill on one player and plus what club do you know is going let go there top player in jan of all times its going to happen wenger has already been snubbed by 4-5 players in the summer its that simple
Surely he must realise how pissed the fans are that he didnt buy in the summer so not buying this months could push a lot of fans over the edge.
What annoys me is that whenever sky or setanta talk to an Arsenal fan they always manage to speak with an Arsene lover. They always say shit like, Wenger knows what hes doing, its all part of his plan and he got us unbeatable so he will come good. Why do they never talk with one of us.
stu
that is why i would never be season tickit holder
Leon, that is a pretty defeatist attitude. Are you saying we are the only club in the world that can’t lure a player against the clubs will?
There will be plenty of players available for the right price.
We have some cash that if these players that mr wenger put his trust in stepped up like they should have, we wouldn’t need to spend.
But i reckon we have about £20-£25 mill plus whatever we can sell, to get us back on track.
But Chelsea, Liverpool , man U have had no financial restrictions on building a new ground and they have gone further in the red than us with no assets to show.
Stu, I don’t know how they find them… I never sit next to an AKB.
In fact, I was sitting next to someone so irritating at Arsenal the other day, I wanted to give her a slap.
I’m all for moaning after the game… or moaning when Ade misses an open goal… but this woman was ridiculous… she was bemoaning the good things players were doing!
pattheGooner – They spent 12m on Milner, 8m on Cuellar, 3m on Young and then Nicky Shorey aswell, I think they’ve extended contracts aswell for Barry, Agbonlahor and the other Young.
It adds up, thats probably 30 million by itself. On top of the money he spent of other players, Ashely Young cost abut 9m in 2007. Reo Coker, Davies and i’m sure there’s plenty more. Oh yeah Fridel aswell this summer ?!
was just about to say the same
There are players available, but if we have to pay slightly over the odds then we only have ourselves to blame.
For instance if I was the Chairman at Zenit, i would be trying to squeeze every last penny out of us for Arshavin. Who has the greater need for the player?
do you know what?
I am sick to death of talking about money and whether we have it or not and whether we are going to spend it or not.
We used to talk about football as gooners, and we had plenty to talk about… it seems like an eternity ago now. What a bloody shit state of affairs.
Avenell, ManU have been £800 odd million in debt for three years!
I think we’ll see problem for those clubs…
Chelsea laid off 15 scouts due to finance problems…
Liverpool have to renegotiate their deal in Jan or June if they can get away with it…
ManU have the same problem… renegotiating a massive deal when banks don’t want to loan.
Ashavin is willing to pay some of his transfer out of his own pocket.
i dont even think £30m is available. if thats the case we’re either being lied to or the board are holding money back in preparation for selling the club.
The only other possibility is that the highbury square thing has really gone wrong. ive been through the accounts over and over but still cant understand why we are being so tight.
if our wage bill was say £80m rather than a ridiculous £101m we would still be paying more than lierpool for example and we would have £30m extra right now.
£30 mil would buy Cana and Arshavin, which i’d be happy with.
Zenit dont even play Arshavin anymore. Aside from being in their off season they dont play him unless he is needed. They are coping without him for now but are looking at Iaquinta as replacement.
Pedro, you should never ht a woman no matter how much she deserved it.
That is not too bad Keyser,
In fairness any club with a new manager and chairman will invest. Just look at what Sunderland spent int he Summer.
But well done to O’neill, he didnt spunk it all on one player, he has bought pretty well and not paid over the odds for any of them
Pedro – Thats it, 16 million a season is reasonable if you’re not paying for it through what you earn from the club or have a stadium to pay off, if we had an investor come in fine, if not then we have to be very careful in how we spend our money.
Spot on Pedro.. What if those clubs had to build a stadium on top of them debts?
Keyser, I don’t understand your point?
Seb… I hate it to! It’s what happens when the club isn’t honest with the fans.
If Arsenal said, ‘look we’re skint… we’ll be skint for 3 years while X happens’, we’d all accept our lot and sympathise with the club and the coach…
Instead we’re getting conflicting messages… Wenger and PHW say there is no money… others on the board have stated 8 times in the press we do have money…
So you get the ‘there is cash camp’ versus ‘there is no cash, Wengers covering up camp’
pedro
all i am saying there alot top players top quality experiened for 8-10 million but to in jan its alot more difficult because its in the middle of the season, let put this way if you were manger you had someone frank ribery or gareth baryy or some of that ability would you sell him in jan of all times to matter how much money you were offord
It’s pure agony to be a gooner in the transfer window
Saying we are skint isn’t going to attract Nasri or Ramsey or keep our best players like cesc.
The transfer window is one of the worst part of the season now because its all hope and dissapointment(sp).
Keyser, we make nigh on I can’t remember our profit figure, but it dwarfs our repayments.
Lerner paid £58mill for the club, cleared it’s debts and used it’s own resources to pay for the players. He has leveraged the £58million against the club… in the same way our board have leveraged the cost of the stadium against the club.
If they get Champs league football, they get an extra £25mill… if they do it next season… another £25mill… then Randy’s investment looks pretty good.
pattheGooner – Not too bad ? Hmm depends on how you look at it, O’neill’s fine while Lernar keeps helping him out but when the money dries up he’s going to have to stop and really earn his keep kind of like, he still hasn’t broken through to the Champions League and even then Villa are going to have to invest again to get their squad up to the standards needed for the Champions League or get knocked out at the group stage.
O’Neill’s had a hell of a lot of backing and now he has to deliver.
True Pedro, it’s like a big come-on, a big tease, getting us all standing to attention, and then….
“Sorry, we’ve got a headache now.”
well F you PHW!
the only trouble is, it’s not a one night stand, we’re married to the club, and as annoying as it gets, the club knows we ain’t going nowhere in a hurry. So they can prick tease us all they like! bitch…
Avenell, I am sure Nasri and co don’t look through the clubs finances before signing. They looked at the coach, the previous successes and listened the coaches plan.
Just like Thierry did… that is why he left I suspect.
Walcott should have extended his contract by now things are not looking good there!
pedro
wither you agree with wenger or not the fact is wenger never going spend any than around 20 million at the most ,i dont expect any than 2 players to come to arsenal in jan,i think wenger will alot business in the summer but not now expecaily with credit crunch now
Walcott wont extend his contract unless he is guarenteed to play up front imo.
evening avenell,
good point about theo.i think the extension to his contract expires in march.
Leon, credit crunch or not… you still need to invest in your business. Imagine how much worse things will be if we don’t make the champions league?
Coke wouldn’t let their product quality slip just because of tough times… it’s even more important to keep your customers happy when things are going down hill.
You don’t have to go through any finances if the manager says we are skint, It’s like you said about Man C, if they buy a world quality player others will follow.
If you look like a selling club players won’t come.
Most of the players joined the club for success and the longer we go without it they will start to leave. Not Song and Eboue tho because they have a free ticket to richness(if that even makes sense)
He is a Liverpool fan I think?
anyone knows whether the wage bill includes the board members salaries?
Pedro – These clubs aren’t running within their means, if you want to advocate a buyout thats one thing, but until then we’re going to have to be stingy with what we spend. If Wenger spends fine, if he doesn’t I can understand it aswell, all these players we’re linked with they have to work out or we lose out even more so.
We look at how much we have and how the club aren’t spending but the reason we’re looking at them to do so is not because of mis-management it’s because the teams around us are just backed by investors or have always had money behind them.
Villa get fourth they have to face another fourth placed team next year ? They get knocked out, it’s all a waste, and that’s what it is Lernars investment, not Villa’s self sufficiency it’s money being pumped in, we are in a precarious position and we’re going to have to be very careful. I don’t think we’ll fall away but it’s a fine line to where we want to be.
Any player that hoins us will only do so because they want Wenger to make them better and then get their move to a bigger club.
Have just found this on arse.com –
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Apparently its just like all the others except you cant buy any players over the age of 12 and when the transfer window opens all your good players fuck off!!!
Coke were selling tap water as pure and had to withdraw it from the market.
pedro
i totaly agree but wenger is going use scouting networks bring in some players without dought villa is looking very good and for asranl to finish out the top 4 that would not be funny at all but one thing wenger is good at is getting top players he has done it past and going have to again
remember phw said of kroenke that we didn’t want his sort around the club and now a few months later they are lapping up to him.
When we just got 4th in 06 Wenger went out and bought Rosicky. Did he buy anyone else that summer?
Keyser, I don’t know how you work that out?
We are 17th in the 5 year spending league… are you saying all the clubs above us are mismanaged? How can we have so much income and no transfer budget?
In fact, you’d be saying every top 4 European club is mismanaged… because they all spend more than us.
Lerner isn’t pumping money in… Villa earn money from the Prem, Fans and Europe as well.
Avenell, because they were putting naughty chemicals into it.
Good evening Kelsey.. Computer crashed I had to shut down..
Pedro If you see anyone tomorow wearing the exclusive T shirt give them a smack, only me and you should have them and Marks is on walkabout at the moment.. lol..
Has he not received it yet?
I’d better not where mine in case I get a whack! haha!
That hat you sent topped my Christmas tree!
just watched Le Boss On SSN cant believe the smug lying bastard ,comes out with the same old shit,,,,
money, or lack of it at our Club,
The press love old arsene coming out with his retoric of bollocks ,
I’M PISSED OFF WITH THE LYING BASTARD , we have had money ,he continues to pay over the top inflated wages to SHIT LIKE
SONG, EBOUE, ALMUNIA,instead of buying top class players,
now you favourite trick is to play Niki Ego, as a right winger you have truly lost the plot,
as has been said lets look forward and take a look at the renewals of season tickets at the end of the year ,
lets wait till the agm ,
this comedy club that is the arsenal board have now got to realise that its the fans that are arsenals life blood , without us they are nothing..
I bet there are a few AKB’s you will need to avoid first Ped.
It’s funny… I’ve met a few AKB’s about who say they read this blog and other AKB blogs… but they like them all because reading a different perspective is always interesting.
I personally dont hate AKBs. I just hate the cunts who laugh at realists when Arsenal get a lucky win, Wenger makes a good decision or something like that. And i especially hate the AKBs who slag us off by saying “fuck off and support chelsea or spurs”. Thats the most annoying thing of all.
Well, Dos Santos appears to be on his way out of Spurs… and Van De Vaart is available for transfer…
Pedro – Eh ? We’re paying off a brand new stadium, we’ve been in it two years, I didn’t say we have no transfer budget and you’d have to go and compare every other European Club around and all the factors that affect them.
We’re asking to loosen the purse strings because other teams are outspending us, they are doing that mainly because of outside investment or they can simply afford to spend that sort of money freely.
I’m saying unless we sell out to an investor we’re going to have to tread carefully over the next couple of years, or do you not agree ?!
v.d.v should be top of Wengers list. How much does he cost?-roughly
Did ye see that for a dive by Bentley. What a bitch!
Bentley’s thick, he does that shoulder thing every time he dives it’s soo blatant, even when it’s a foul he flicks his shoulder anyway.
I wouldnt mind buying from Wigan. They have some fairly good widemen, way better that what we have atm. De Ridder doesnt really play but doesnt look bad when he does and Valencia is a great winger and can play good football too. If Wenger does Bruce so many favours then why not ask for a favour in return?
Keyser, coming out of the transfer window every year with a positive figure is ridiculously prudent. Other teams who are outspending us are doing it with outside investment… but the top 4 aren’t.
Ignore the debt, Liverpool could afford £24mill on Torres… ManU have always been able to afford good players… we’ve always been top 4, always had champions league football and have always been prudent.
We’re asking Wenger to spend like he used to… this prudence is only a new thing and it is based more project youth than it is restrictions.
We don’t need an outside investor to be able to afford £16million a season on transfers… we have record profits! The whole point of the stadium was that we would never need a sugar daddy… so no, I don’t agree.
i have been reading your blog for some time and i agree with most of what you say.
however, the funny thing is that it looks like you write in the hope that arsene will read it and follow your advice. it doesnt happen and wont.
Pedro are you saying Chelsea are outspending us without outside investment?
I know they are poncing off the russian, I just don’t get you.
Evening all!
Have we signed anyone yet then??!!
Stu,
De Ridder was the only decent player against us in the Carling Cup for Wigan
Wenger is good but you have got to give him some money.. He needs a 1/4 of what benitez has spent.
Evening Wrighty.. Tomorrows another day lol..
Another day that will be wasted.
Pedro – I don’t think it’s ridiculously prudent at all, Chelsea changed the face of the Premiership forever and we’re still feeling the effects, that hasn’t changed it’s still there, United were where we are about 10 years ago and Liverpool are a bit of a joke.
If they didn’t have outside investment, then I don’t get you either.
16 million a season is what Villa spend net, they’ve spent about 30 in the summer and will spend again in January, yeah we make profits but it doesn’t suddenly mean you stop considering the teams around you and the situation you are in.
We will compete with the new stadium, but it doesn’t change the fact that United have had the same sorts of crowds turn out for about a decade previously.
Avenell, just say Roman fucked off tomorrow and left them with no debt… Chelsea would out spend us… it’s illogical to say that everyone spends beyond their means and Arsenal are the only ones spending what they should every year.
We are 3rd in money behind Madrid and ManU… think of all the teams below and how much they spend… then tell me they are all badly run.
I we have no money or little money like Wenger clamins then either get some players on loan or go buy from Germany. The players there are as cheap as chips(used to be) and very good technically(for the most part). Plus the efficiency would be very welcome.
I still don’t understand your point Keyser…? Are you saying that we can’t afford the same transfer budget as Aston villa?… despite all figures pointing towards the fact we can?
Or are you saying all the teams above us in the spending league are badly run?
Clearly there are two opposing views on the finances. Either we have the money or we don’t. I am assuming that most will agree that if we have the money, we should buy if suitable players are available. so the relevant questions are…
Does Wenger have money available and chose not to buy?
Is there no money and Wenger is covering for the sake of the club?
A more complex question is; who out of Edelman and PHW is telling the truth and have they conspired to give conflicting views or are they in opposition?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Gazidis is wondering if joining Arsenal was a good idea since the first couple of days of his tenure have been a PR disaster.
And on the ManU point… they make £1million a game… we make £3million a game. I think we are a little further ahead of where they were 10 years ago.
Chelsea were one day away from going under completely, till Bates sold to the Russian.
Chelsea will be sold depends on what Abramovich will take as losses.
We are third on turnover, not profit.
We turnover £3 mill a game but we have to pay the electric bill out of that.
sorry i have not got staium to pay off and have noticed that evon chelsea are sarting cut down on there spending ,there a alot top class players around 23-25 wenger just needs find player suited to arsenal for the right price,if you at the players we had when we won the title not one of them cost more than 15 million
Hi avenell,
Our wage bill is ridiculous though considering the quality of players we have don’t you think?
Rasputin… if we were severely in the shit and couldn’t afford £16million a season firstly you’d have to ask what the hell have the directors done that makes us worse off than we were at highbury… I mean how can you have no money to spend when you earn £3million a game?
Also… if we were so deep in the shit, we couldn’t keep up with Villa… why would Usmanov be interested still? Why would Kroenke be on the board? They would rather not invest their own cash to make the teams successful… that is why they want to buy a club that will generate massive profits and will support itself.
And also considering that in 04 our wage bill was about 60m. That doesnt make any sense either.
Avenell, £93million in cash reserves… £40million profit after our repayments. No dividends paid.
We’re paying world class wages to players that are no where near world class. Wengers scouting network is no better than anyone’s else… it’s just our salaries are.
I’m with you on this Pedro – I’m just trying to understand the opposing view. I can see why conspiracy theories abound because it just doesn’t seem to make sense. If the level of ‘financial prudence’ is as vital as some are saying, we can expect half the prem clubs to go out of business this year!
Pedro – I don’t get where you’ve taken this, we’re working within a budget that is defined by what we as a club earn, teams like Villa or Chelsea aren’t and United and Liverpool are massive clubs. I wouldn’t say we are ahead of them, thats 60,000 that turned out for games, buy merchandise and the size of United as a club back then, not to mention winners of the Champions League and with a grasp that reaches to the far East.
If we don’t get outside investment we’re going to have to work within that budget and it has to adjust to the limitations that clubs around us have imposed. We’ve been at the Emirates for 2 years and the profits we earn won’t really tell until we’ve paid off the debt.
I’m not saying don’t spend, but we don’t just need players we need ones that will make the difference, i’d say we need Henry, Vieira type signings for that sort of money, if we spend 30 million on players it’s doesn’t guarantee anything, so it has to be the right signings and we have to be careful, thats not hard to see.
If you think we can compete on a level footing right now, I think you’re wrong, we have to spend wisely.
rasputin
i would rather not think about that alot poeple strogling on just over grand a nmonth and these football players are getting one week what everget when reach 65 its pretty sick all for kicking a ball sick i can we plaease move the suject of wages to depressing
Ras .. yea I agree we have a high wage bill. but there is a confusion somewhere.
Is it players trainers medical staff scouts etc?
The youth policy don’t work, but every club is copying it.
This set of players that wenger is investing in have let him down.. imo
But it’s jan 2nd not feb 2nd..
give them a chance.
Yes ave, we have to wait until the end of the month and no-one is suggesting buying players that aren’t going to improve the squad – that is ridiculous.
If you look at the finances in purely business terms, we are not getting good value for money in relation to our wage bill however it is apportioned. Maybe the prudence wasn’t there when deciding how much to pay the current players. Ade’s pay rise had a knock on effect. I don’t know what the likes of Song or Eboue are earning, but I would be horrified if it was over £25k a week.
We have one of the most renound youth systems in england but only a select few even make more than a few first team appearances, with even less getting a good run. One could argue that Boro have a far more productive youth system.
Leon,
I know players wages are obscene when compared to most, but it is a market economy and we can’t do anything about it if we want quality players. It’s paying sub-standard players such money that is the crime.
But the longer Wenger waits to buy any player the longer it will be befroe said player settles into the team and even their new surroundings. If we only make a signing on the last day it would be mid feb at the earliest before they have settled in and we need them to be ready from the off.
Lucky spud bastards just got a pen…. 1 nil v Wigan, 60 minutes gone
Avenell, the youth policy is working… it is the first team policy that isn’t working.
Keyser, I don’t think Wenger touches the budget… not because he can’t, but because he is persisting with the kids.
I think it is as simple as that.
On the other hand.. If you was a player and Arsenal offered £10 mill for you.. If you wait 3 weeks ManC will double that. or not?
So you wait until the end of the window. then sign at the last..
Hi Guys! Long break since I last posted here. Have You got/know any transfer rumors?I don’t care how much reliable the source is. Yetserday someone on this blog wrote tha Gallas is off to Milan and we will make a Senderos + cash offer to bring Hangeland from Fulham. He said that we will bring also 2 new midfielders and both of them will be word class.Any true in this?Probably just a hoax.
On the subject of other peoples wages being factored into it… how much do you think medical staff earn? £80k a year at the max…! The wage bill outside players can’t be more than £5-6million… well, that is what I reckon.
Pedro our worst players were bought as teenagers (the midfield)..
Yeah, but on the whole, we import kids on a free and sell them for 500k – £3million. The youth factory makes a mint.
The first team policy has dipped… we don’t replace like for like and it is showing.
Wenger gets £4 million Ped.. plus someone said scouts earn over £1/2 mill each ..(not me)
Pedro – Well then I think you’re wrong, if we’ve got a budget of 30 million we have to make it tell, if we found another 11 million Henry that would be great, but if we were to replace like for like someone like Henry would cost 30 million, at 30 million it’s just not enough for us.
I would be amazed if the Scouts get paid that much, especially as it seems that they cant Identify an available CM that is better than Song.
Pedro I cannot argue there the pendulum has swung too much the other way.. that’s why I hoping this yankee guy and Arsene start to put it right from now on because it is now starting to cost us..
I also agree with Keyser re working within a budget. villa have a sugar daddy who is not constraining his spending by working within a self sustaining model at present. Sad fact is Man U are a bigger worldwide Brand than us. equally true is that their owners at present are not attempting to make the club self sufficient. They no at some point they can sell it for a profit as its Cache value will always be huge in the world. Chelsea have a man who has more money that Sense. Liverpool have spent big but have problems and are struggling to raise the money for a stadium. We are working within a limited budget. Its been obvious for seasons. Wenger knows that if he says we have no money will will lose both players who will worry about the future and fans. He has had to buy youth, he said this last year. stating that he had seen our financial limits and knew we could not compete with the big boys in the transfer stakes for the next five to ten years of so. So he had to find and nurture a group of young players. maybe they have not shone as he hoped they would but he cannot change direction now as the club I dont think could sustain it. His press conferences are as much for the players as they are for the fans. Hence the repeated mantra of maturity, focus, team spirtit etc. Hes not talking to us but to them through the media. I cannot say why the figures give an impression of a big bundle of cash sat in PHW back pocket but I for one do not believe its there. Any more than I believe Wenger when he says we can still win the prem. Expect signings of 10 million but not much more.
I wish for the Kaka’s of the world but will settle for something less at present. Maybe that makes me less of a fan, maybe not. I know though I am still far better of than at least 88 other clubs in the league and possible 90.
Keyser, you get £16million for Thierry Henry… you go out and make that £16million work somewhere else. It wasn’t just £16million either… it was £200k off the wage bill a week.
£10k a week for a scout? That seems a bit excessive Avenell? Where did you read that?
Pedro …. On your blog.. lol.
Dave T… Lerner bought the club for £60mill and that is the debt… he hasn’t been ploughing his personal fortune into it… the rest is made up from Villa’s earnings.
Plus, like I’ve said… we clearly don’t spend our budget do we? We have a positive number for the last 2 years… unless you are saying it’s been sell before you buy for the last 2 years?
Yeah Keyser but when you sell Henry for 16m, I dont think it would have been impossible to find a replacement, likewise the money that came in for Vieira. Ok you might not get the exact same standard of player but it should get you better options than we have. If we had worked at it, we could have got Etoo in exchange for Henry and you could probably have got Huntelaar for a similar fee. We didnt do a thing with Vieira!!!
What has not helped is the likes of Bergkamp, Pires and Ljungberg went either close to or at the end of their careers so we had nothing coming into replace them.
Again, I am not sure if people are missing our point, we usually at least break even every summer, we are not asking for 30m players especially as we know Wenger can pick out a 10m Henry.
Fact: Our squad is a shadow of what it was 4 years ago, yet every summer since we have broke even.
Fact: We are in decline
Fact: We have money
Fact: so what is wrong in us hoping and wanting Wenger to invest a little bit more by spending the available funds that are available to him to actually build a squad capable of challenging for the Premiership
Why is that so wrong to expect your manager to do that?
No fricking way Ave! From a blogger? Or an author?
Does a Squad investment of 30m make us fall outside of our self-sustaining model?
The term ‘invest’ implies an element of risk in the hope of a greater return. We need to invest in a couple of quality players in the hope that they will help us secure CL football next season – anything more than that would be an added bonus.
Everyone is saying the credit crunch is affecting Premier League clubs.Well.it isn’t damaging United. That just shows the difference between us and United. They are a serious club and we are a JOKE!THEY ARE 700 mln in debt?Well,that doesn’t stop them from buying,does it?3 mln per game from the Emirates, 50 mln from tv revenues and we still can’t afford any quality player.
No what someone was saying take the agent who bought the rights to Tevez and masherano.
Why would you scout for Arsenal when you can do it freelance and make more?
Also if scouts wern’t paid much, why did chelsea sack a load?
I don’t know the facts i’m mesenger boy…
How do you get a job as a Football Scout then? sounds like a perfect job,
Travel, Money and watching loads of Football
No Pedo no author mate.. chill I just said someone..
Pedro.. whoops..
Wayne Bridge has agreed to sign for citeh for £12m pending a medical. The chavs are going to have money to spend!
For all we know there was one a time when our scouts came back to Wenger with names of already established players but Wenger just slaped them and laughed, then told them he only wants young players that he can have a massive ingfluence on them himself.
Also do we have scouts in eery country or just the big countries because Eduardo aside we never seem to buy players from poorer league. NEVER!!
Transfers of that year include, Ribery, Torres, Ashley Young… Darren Bent
lol Pedo
I think I might apply to be the Scout in Barbados
I guess if you did scouting freelance, you’d be an agent?
Of what year?
The year we sold Thierry.
pattheGooner – A replacement for Henry ? You definetly wouldn’t have got another Henry, you would have got a replacement though and thats it, I doubt Huntelaar or Eto’o would have come in without more money or hefty wages and neither of them, maybe the potential accompanying Huntelaar, would have done the job of Henry either.
Like I said before compare like for like our squad of four years ago and the players we have out now, time hasn’t stood still and this is the point, 11 million got you Henry all those years ago, 30 million is almost nothing in todays game to teams like Chelsea but to us ? It’s our entire budget for a year.
I didn’t say it’s wrong Heh, just that he has to be careful with the money we do spend so it’s not that simple. We either look for significant short term investment or we wait be prudent with the money we have, buy the right players and wait for the likes of Vela, Ramsey, Wilshere to grow a little.
looking forward to seeing Simpson on loan.
I hope he has a good 6 months,
Oh and I’m still guessing that we have 30 million to spend in the first place.
I hope he keeps West Brom up at the expense of Spurs.
Hi all,
We signed Henry for £10.5m in 1999.
That was a lot of money then, let alone now.
How much would that be in todays climate? £20m or £30m??
Wenger’s spent money and big money. Henry proved that.
I think he is just determined to prove his “youth” project will work.
I accept that we will never spend £30m on a player, but what is obvious is money needs to be spent or we will fall further behind the likes of Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool.
I hope Simpson actually scores the goal that relegates Spurs, maybe on goal difference or something.
£30million was ManU’s budget as well.
The top 4 transfers of all time were made between 2000 and 2001.
In fact… in the last 4 years… only 3 transfers have broken into the top 15 of all time.
£30million has only ever been broken 9 times… that figure is a big deal.
Simpson was born in Tottenham..
All I am saying is we have not done enough to replace them
Bendtner, Song, Denilson, Diaby, Ade and RVP are perfect examples.
We could have done more, We could have got Etoo, it was rumoured that it could have been a straight swap. I didn’t say it was possible to get another Henry, but we didnt do enough. 5 defeats, poor football and potential UEFA cup football is the proof.
Sure I would love to be bagging Villa for 25m but we now know that we are limited. I think we can get 3 x 10m players and change the whole outlook of our season.
What I will say though is that I personally think we could have spent + 20m net on transfers each year for the last four years and not put the club at any risk. We may even have won something and maybe those players may have been a big enough draw to help pay for themselves in Merchandising. Yet now we find ourselves with a rumoured top limit of 30m and that as a fan frustrates me. We did not do enough. He had fucked it up and now needs to fix it.
There is being prudent and then there is being blinded by ego and stubborness.
Bergkamp was a british record fee for about 2 weeks..
Wrighty, it was peanuts back then… that was the year Inter paid £32mill for Vieri… a year later Madrid paid £46mill for a 29 year old Zidane.
Pedro, I didn’t realise that mate!
Just saw that Veron was signed for £18.1m that year and then 2 years later United paid out £28.1m for him.
pattheGooner – Eto’o said the only way he was going to leave was for a massive pay day, that would be the only way he’d go to the Premiership that his last deal should be massive.
You keep saying not enough was done but Henry was a player we got for 10 million, at his peak he was probably worth 6 times that, and thats it, we’re not going to get players of that quality for that price unless we look long and hard and it’s a lot harder now than ever before.
20m net is a lot of money, if Henry was paid 10 million in his last year, that’s half that just spent on keeping Henry at the club, I dont get how you think that it would be easy.
In 99 was 10.5 million peanuts for us ? How big a signing was Henry for Arsenal ?!
Most people have forgotten… but transfers went mental 98 onwards. Remember Gulitt and his massive spending spree? Chavski and pretty much every team in the Prem! It was mental and it has never really been repeated.
£10mill back then was fuck all… he was a massive risk and a flop at Juve.
Was that the same year that the Spanish goverment bought real madrids training ground off them for rather too much money for real estate . Then gave them another piece of land outside madrid to build a new one..
Not an even playing field…
Big Raddy, are you there
Now my Derby mate here in Oz has fond memories of Charlie George when he had the perm, especially when Charlie scored a hatrick in the European Cup Semi against Real Madrid @ the Baseball Ground. He was @ the game & loves to relive that night.
Are you sure it wasn’t you Raddy who hit the bottle
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0KJLrwfjZG4
Keyser…
£10.5mill Henry
£23mill Anelka
£32mill Vieri
Yeah, it was peanuts.
Avenell, it doesn’t change a thing.
Inter, Juve, Lazio and Barca are all in there.
It is a lot of money, but it would have earnt us a lot more too.
Pedro – I don’t get what you’re trying to say ? That the Henry signing was just on a whim, it was just us tossing a few quid on a long shot ?!
Transfer fees were coming down before abramovich.. It only takes one or two clubs and the market gets inflated.
Keyser, you’ve been saying that Henry was an expensive signing years ago… I am saying he wasn’t relative to what everyone else was spending.
If he was available in the same situation today… he’d probably be the same price… maybe less.
You are asking if he he was peanuts in 99… I am saying yes he was… he represented half the outlay Madrid paid for Anelka.
Avenell, that is why I said I don’t think we’ll ever see the £100million player…
If Wenger believes that £15m for Nasri was a fair price, he must accept that he has to pay that much or more each for a couple of quality midfielders.
Pedro what if Man C and Real go head to head on Ronaldo or Messi?
No way… why would you pay that? Wait a year and get him on a webster.
£100million doesn’t make sense, you could never make your money back on that cost.
1975, was that the year that The Arsenal spent most of the season last & only just avoided relegation. Got rid of its star & look what happened. Shit it really could be groundhog day.
Buy Buy Buy Buy Buy Buy Buy Buy Buy Buy Buy Buy Wenger.
If you believe the reports, AW has been interested in most of the great players recently (Ronaldo and Ronaldinho to name but two). Had he secured those signings, he would have been able to make a massive profit for the club. He has signed some fantastic players, but he has also missed out on plenty as well. I hate to say it again, but he seemed to have greater success securing his targets when DD was alongside him.
……or By By By By By By By By By By By By By By By Wenger
But the oil shakers and the spanish goverment don’t need get money back, it’s principle.
They are making a statement, that’s how madrid have run..
Pedro – He wasn’t peanuts for Arsenal he was a record signing ? and thats it, while we break record fees for Arsenal, that record wasn’t much in English football let alone World football, but the value we got for that 11 million was substantial.
Its always been known that Wenger has worked off a shoestring but would any other manager have accepted that situation? Most other managers would have either demanded some good money to spend on quality players or have left ages ago. Its just that Wenger thinks he can win titles without spending money. Its just not possible anymore.
Real Madrid, both Milans, Barcelona & Juve have been the blight on football for years. They are the reason for high transfer fees/player wages, coruption in football, etc. Now that the English teams have gone past them, Blatter /Plattini now reckon there is a problem. It wasn’t a problem for 20 years while the wog clubs went about their whoring ways but now “its a problem”.
Well there is one thing that Blatter, etc can never change or corrupt. The game was invented in England. Football is, in essence, an English game.
At the moment our squad is too big to keep buying players. We’re not short on quantity but majorily short on quality. Our wage bill is high and a few players will rock the boat if he buys more players.
Wenger will have to admit defeat and sell off a few of his golden childs to accomodate a few choice acquisitions. He doesn’t want to do that so we’re left with this ridiculous tedious period of brinkmanship where Wenger tries to defy the logic in front of him and tout this squad as ‘tremendous’ and of ‘great quality’.
Eventually he’ll swallow his pride – he’ll have no choice soon – and sell a a few, like he did with Senderos, and we’ll all say ‘why the hell didn’t you do that two years ago?’.
This youth experiment is a big waste of time and will be viewed as such in five-ten years time. Wenger thinks it will looked back on with awe and seen as a great time however I think he’s wrong. The overriding sentiment will be, why couldn’t he have been a more pragmatic? The answer will be that his head got lost up his own backside.
Keyser… it doesn’t matter that it was Arsenal’s record transfer does it? We had £23mill in the bank and we spent £10.5… that’s not a substantial outlay is it?
Sure we got great value out of the £10.5mill… but we’re not getting value out of our current crop of players. Arsene is still trying the same tricks and he’s not getting lucky anymore… that is why he needs to spend his budget on good players, and make them great. Instead of taking average player and making them good.]
Spend the budget… that is all we are asking.
Paulinho.. Why is it as clean cut as defeat?
Why can’t he adjust it?
Paulinho, I disagree that the squad it too big.
We are playing right backs in left midfield, centre mids out wide and strikers out wide… we are woefully short.
Pedro – What have I said thats different ? All I’ve said is that it needs to be spent wisely, the kids will take a few years and without investment the signings we make right now have to count.
It does matter it was Arsenals record transfer, we had to sell players to accomdate him and the other half of the Anelka fee was used to fund the Academy ?!
I don’t get you’re point, we sold Anelka first before we could spend money on Henry while the teams around us just went out and spent 32m on players without thinking too much about it, or twice what the whole of Anelka cost on players like Zidane and Figo.
Anelka = best training facility in europe..
We could sell it and rent it back!
The best training facility in europe is not exactly producing the best players in europe at the moment, but good point ave
avenell – We could sell it and buy Anelka back..
Avenell, he talks himself into a situation where he is set to address certain issues, but then he talks himself out of it. It’s laughable. At the end of last season he comes out with what we’ve all been talking about in terms of aerial balls and the pressure game but then does f-all about it, and puts that clown Denilson in alongside Fabregas.
It’s like if he publicly admits the failings of our team to the fans then that’s okay – that allows him to carry on his merry way.
He always exaggerates arguments to justify his policy and then goes back to the standard rhetoric to the buttress it. Same old formula he’s used for the last three years. He also tries to keep quiet our huge wage bill is it doesn’t quite fit into the image he likes to portray. Fact is, he’s been paying big wages to crap players. Doesn’t look good.
gday all, anyone know if our game is telecast anywhere tonight?
Pedro, we’ve got Vela, Bendtner, Adebayor, RVP up front.
Denilson, Song, Fabregas, Diaby for central midfield.
Nasri, Vela, Walcott, Eboue, Wilshere, Ramsay for wing and central positions as well.
We’ve got Djourou, Gallas, Toure, Silvestre, Clichy, Sagna, Eboue for defensive positions.
Fabianski and Almunia for GK.
Think about those positions and what will happen if we buy a few players and think about our wage bill. Wenger will have a couple of unhappy players if he brings in the players we want and a very large wage bill. That scenario is ike kryptonite to Wenger. Doesn’t want to betray his big contract golden childs.
So where does the defeat bit come in then??
Is it a huge wage bill for a 3rd 4th spot club with loads of assets .
I don’t know I listen to all sides. I just don’t see how a fan can make such a sweeping judgement as Wengers policy needs defeating or is defeated if we are not told the facts.
Pedro, there is one for a one or more but after that it gets overcrowded. I think we need at least four players to have a side capable of winning a league.
Wenger needs to sell a couple of the players. That protracted process will take god knows how many years.
paulinho.. we could at least sell 5 players on there and bring in about 2 or 3
Avenell, admit defeat that the likes of Denilson, Song, Diaby aren’t good enough at the moment and will not be for a considerable length of time….. time we really don’t have.
This goes hand in hand with the pragmatism bit.
Well, we have time if Wenger and the club is willing to accept the UEFA cup.
These next few years are going to be very dicey, especially if Wenger keeps faith with the same squad even if we don’t quality for the champions league.
Keyser, when has anyone asked the club to spend recklessly and buy bad players? That is the sort of thing Wenger says…’I'm not going to buy a £40mill player’… well who asked you to? No one… like Paulinho said… he is just exaggerating the point to make buying players seem a stupid idea.
Avenell… it doesn’t matter how much the training facility was… Henry didn’t represent a massive outlay… we spent a little on a replacement so we could buy a great training facility.
Henry was still a bargain and relatively cheap for the time…
so if ramsey and whiltshere come into the squad for the injuries, i wonder who will make then bench tonight? bitchslap? merida? coq eu vin?
Pedro – Wait, What ? You’re doing just the same by going in the opposite direction with that, I’m saying we have to spend wisely on the right players, what have I said wrong ?!
If we’re going to try and find like for like than thats not happening, it’s just not, we found Henry as a bargain, we’re not going to out and spend 11 million on an Henry replacement and get someone that is comparative. It’s even harder in today’s game, thats why you get the players at an even younger age.
We’ve got to the position we’re in because we’ve spent wisely.
Pedro…. Agree on Henry mate no probs..
Paulinho.. Should Wengers whole youth policy means he should admit defeat?
Or just adjust it.. Song , Denilson, Diaby not being good good enough at the moment doesn’t mean Wenger should admit defeat on the whole youth policy..
Which is is what I thought you said…
He spent 12 million on Nasri and 6 mill on Sagna, both players who would have to adjust to English football and could have failed, how is spending 12-14million on Arteta, or $6-8million on Parker going against the way he’s been signing players, they’re less of a gamble than both Nasri and Sagna, sorry if this point has been made already
Keyser… You ask so many questions you know the answer to, the debate loses track because of the open ended nature of them.
You said spending Villa type money was not feasible unless you had outside investment.
I said that we wouldn’t need outside investment to do that, as we already earn way more. I would suspect £20mill a season is well within budget for us and I believe we should be spending that, especially considering our losses.
Replacing Henry was impossible… but buying a player capable was not. Even buying a wide man capable of giving us the same spark as Henry would have been acceptable, as we never replaced Pires.
We did neither… not even close. Song is never going to be anywhere near the level of Gilberto, Paddy, Flamini or Edu… others on the market might have been.
We need to replace great talent, with potentially great talent…
Anelka was a great talent… and his replacement Henry was also a great talent. Gilberto was a great player… Song has never been and never will be a great player.
On that terrific note, I am off to Bedfordshire.
Till tomorrow!
Pedro – Heh, Sorry, maybe it’s the same as you feel when you hear a quote from Wenger or Peter-Hill-Wood, because all this talk poses even more questions then we have the answers to.
It can go in any number of ways, you’ve used examples of spending from different times, and while it may only be several years ago, the cicumstances are different, Vieri’s transfer was in the Italian league, Zidane the Spanish, why were the teams able to afford such transfers ? Why have they cut down on spending now ? Was that the peak of transfer activity throughout Europe ? The bubble burst ? and a thousand other questions. I’m not asking you to answer them but thats questions that crop up.
I just don’t think it’s that easy to compare different times, cicumstances and situations that vary for every club, player and season.
The Villa situation – The whole point is that they are not working to a specific budget or under the same constraints and this is only the team that is competing for 4th with us. Since Lernar can easily just dip into his pockets that bit further if he so chooses and at the moment he is doing so.
Look at who you’re comparing these players to Song ? We’ve bought Nasri, We’ve got Walcott for the other side, Rosicky however injured and the point is all these players are players Wenger has brought to the club, I think you’d hav trouble finding another Pires for the same price.
Times have changed, Anelka was bought for 500,000 and replaced by a player with much greater talent for 11 million, this is 10 years ago, if Wenger needs to adjust his sights, then so do we, we’re not going to see the same sort of player for prices that we can afford, it’s a balancing act right now.
I wonder if i will feel even worse than the summer transfer window when we dont buy anybody this time.?
i think right now if we dont buy anybody we know that somebody is defintely lying… i feel so cheated, my girlfriend spent close to £300 quid gettin me an arsenal trip where i get a tour of the emirates and stay in a hotel and watch the match but i feel so sickened by the crap we are told every day I’m questioning why they should get her money
You have the choice… there is no arm up your back..
I went from 1978″ to 1991″ without missing many home games 1x Fa cup, 2x div 1′s and a mickey mouse.. you take your chances. It’s sport!!!
Guy,
On your tour of the emirates look for the managers office and leae a disheartened letter on his desk. Hope he reads it and replies to you explaining why the club is fast becoming a joke, such a shambloic piece of work but the bastards at board level. Hopefully he will reveal who is lying to us and why. Also hope he will either rectify the trouble here or give everyone a refund and apologise for everything that has upset and annoyed damn near every sighted Arsenal fan.
Even Arsenal fans who have to google Stephan Hughes lol…
Just read the initial blog. Very true. I could only purchase a club level ticket (can’t get a regular season ticket). I for one will definately not renew next year. 1. Because like PHW the crunch is affecting my business and more importantly 2. At the moment I can think of better things to spend £2600 on than watching Song, Eboue and Denilson. It’s sad to say this, but it really doesn’t make any sense to scrimp and save to watch players that are inferior and less exciting than watching fucking paint. Great however if you like watching sideways football. That I’m sure we would win at a canter!
Haha very funny!
Laugh it up Ave. Thats the one and only time i will slip up.
Not really there is a serious side to that ..
???
Whats the serious part then?
stu i wish i could do that, ive only ever been to hghbury and that was on a tour, so this will be my first time at the emirates… shame im goin to spoil it by staging a one man protest
anyway bed now work at 9am
we wont sign anybody in this window by the way Wenger has been speaking to the press.
Just read this article on Arshavin. Good read about his play, strenghts etc.
http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=1160&cntnt01returnid=42
There is a link at the bottom too but havent read that myself as of yet.
i’d be shocked if we signed arshavin but you never know. The things wenger has been saying has made me think he’s a possibility. I would have thought bit too much of a risk but what do i know?!
Lets just hope he does buy him because otherwise we will only create a handful of chances per match and score even less. We have absolutely no creativity anymore and we wont get 4th unless we win matches. No goals = no wins.
I dunno about that stu, vp and nasri can create chances, but i agree we do massively need another attacking mid, just unsure as to whether arshavin in the answer. He’s done fantastically at zenit, and with russia recently, but there are a couple of lingering doubts for me.
Firstly whether he’d adapt to the premiership, players from eastern europe don’t have the best of previous when it comes to that, and it’s a big change from russia to the prem, as well as the fact he’s never even played for another club let alone in another league, and he’s 27 already!
Secondly the timing of the russian league. He’s finished his season, so he’s either going to be absolutely knackered if he came to us, and far from sharp straight away, or he will have had a break since the end of the russian season, but the equivalent of then coming to a team having had absolutely no pre season, so again would be likely to be far from sharp straight away.
There are also doubts about his consistency and such like, has amazing games but then goes missing.
If he was able to replicate his form when fantastic for zenit and russia with us he could win us the league, if he can’t he could be a very expensive flop!
I’d much rather get in elano, just because he already knows the prem
This is just my opinion, not a transfer suggestion because I know Wenger would never go for it. But i think we should consider Pogrebnyak of Zenit. Now i realise that Zenit want over the odds for Arshavin and if we do get him for a good price then I will be delighted because he is a real talent who can do wonders for us.
I mention Pogrebnyak because of his versatility, not positionally but in terms of ability. He is a proper CF but has amazing technique. Still only 25 he has a lot more years in him. He is 6’2, has good off the ball movement and can score with either foot or his head. Pkus he is a powerhouse. Even though he can play most of his goals come from inside the box which suggests he doesnt join in with play too much.
If Arsenal played a different game then imo he would be a great buy but knowing Wenger he will never buy someone like him. Also i feel that there are a lot of quality players in those league like Russia. Is just a matter of Wenger seriously looking there. He found Eduardo is a smaller league and if not for his injury could have been instrumental in winning a title.
in my opinion stu forwards are literally the only position we 100% don’t need to sign anyone! Unless we could get big money for ade, and get in someone as amazing as benzeama or villa, we couldn’t do much. Vela and Bendtner are very raw but incredibly talented forwards who will develop into two of the best in europe, vp already is one of the best in europe, eduardo is a sensational finisher, and theo will ultimately play through the centre and be incredible there too. The likes of Villa, Benzema, Et’oo would be amazing obviously as they would anywhere, but anyone else i’d say no thanks.
pavlichenko was a league above pogrebnyak in the russian league, and has hardly torn the prem apart…. I wouldn’t take him over anyone in our strikeforce, and especially not in january for exactly the same reasons as my doubts over arshavin, apart from pogrebnyak isn’t as good as the arsh
I see your point A and partly agree about his apparent poor consistency. But we only really saw him play like that for Russia. Can you honestly say that you watched or even knew of him pre the later stages of the Uefa Cup? Because I cant.
He only played 3 games for Russia and didnt show up against Spain, the eventual winners. I read that in Zenits Eufa cup campaign he scored 10 goals and created 11. That seems like a pretty consistent stat but on the other side of that coin it was European football and not a league run so that it also difficult to judge him on.
Regarding Elano: Last season he had an amazing start but after 2-3 months he faded away and didnt really do anything. Same this season. I know he hasnt played much but hasnt done anything when he has, so for me he is a no. I would much rather someone more consistent. Whether or not that is Arshavin or Arteta is impossible to tell.
A-Stu- You guys make more sense when its late at night, since its always you two that i’m likely to disagree with….
As much as Eto would be a great signing, i dont think we need another enormuse ego in the camp…
A, as i said just my opinion on who I like. And from what I heard- Pavlychenko was drafted into the Russian Euro team as a replacement for the injured Pogrebnyak.
RvP is undoubtedly exceptionally talented but lacks any kind of consistence. His best goals tally, which he is in the team to get, is about 15. Hardly the goals tally of a CL teams starman.
Ade just isnt a good enough individual imo. He was great last season in terms of goals but only scored so many because of the midfield. He will do for now but a club lie ours should be looking at players a level or 2 above Adebayor.
As for Vela and Bendtner- I agree with you on them and have very high hopes for them but neither are ready for the responsibilities of first choice striker in such a big team. But one day certainly. And Eduardo is obviously a great finisher but also goes missing for large parts of games, or at least used to.
RasDef, dont really get what you mean by that
I think the most important type of player we should get is a DMF that can cover cesc’s forward runs, that was what Flamini did and it worked out well… On the otherhand Denilson improved a lot so its debatable..
As for an AMF we have so many people injured is hard to justify why we would really need Ashavin…
No of course not stu, and i’ve always been impressed when i saw him, but just going on what people who have have said etc. He’d just be a big big risk.
Although elano hasn’t been as sensational for city as he was originally, he’s always looked very good when i’ve seen him, but just fallen out with hughes this season, and happy to let the likes of swp, robinho, and ireland tear teams apart, he’s just a willing worked almost. I personally really rate elano, whenever i’ve seen him either for city or brazil i’ve always thought he’d be fantastic at us, though maybe not as amazing as arshavin could possibly be, though it’s just more of a risk imo as anyone from outside the prem is. I’d rather him than arteta because he suits our style of play more, and arteta’s lack of pace would hamper him with us as he’d be about as quick out wide as denilson when put there!!
just joking mate
A, fair enough Arteta has no pace but if we were to buy Elano then where would he play? He plays attacking midfield for both Brazil and last season with City, both with no defensive responsibilities. If he came in to replace Cesc then that is CM and Elano is a pretty lazy defender (presumably) and if he were to play wide then he would pose the same problems as Arteta with a lack of pace. There is no way that Wenger would change formation for an incoming player. Never has and never will. Elano isnt fast enough to be put out wide and not defensive enough to play centrally in a 4-4-2.
No Problem RasDef!
lol rasdef it does seem to be that way, things are just more hectic during the day so what people write can be lost to misinterpretation i think!
Stu i don’t think either were first choice for russia, as it was kerzakov first choice, with arshavin behind him roaming around, or sychev in ahead of the two P’s, pav played a couple more times in qualifying i think but neither were regular starters. pav was just massive in the russian league though, top goalscorer all the time etc
i agree we need a dm rasdef, but flamini would be shocking this season, as bad if not worse than denilson! Hleb made our season last year, his departure killed our style of play, and has destroyed us defensively because we havn’t been able to keep possession as high up the pitch, and it was also hleb who brought cesc into play in advanced roles, denilson is no less defensive than flamini was, people forget how many attacking runs and positions flamini made! We need a proper dm, and some height and strength
Isnt Elano getting old too?
Anyway have a good evening to both of you. Im off…
he’d play out wide stu, same as whoever we bring in, roaming around centrally exactly the same as nasri/hleb etc etc. In brazil’s last game he actually played dm, and has played centre mid once or twice for city this year, but i don’t like him there at all! The way he’s linked up with robinho, swp, and ireland at times has made me think he’d be perfect with nasri, vp, cesc. Elano is actually quick and very athletic, that’s why i’d rather him over arteta
But A, in terms of a big, strong dm, can you think of anyone that fits that? Because i cant really, unless they are African- which poses even more potential problems.
Well i guess im just not a fan of Elano so. I’ve sem some of him this season and he hasnt been that impressive. I’ld rather someone else tbh.
A, you say Denilson is just as defensive as Flamini but i dont agree with that at all. Flamini may not have been the sitting type of DM but his evergy levels were amazing, he was great at putting players off and was very usually in the right place. Denilsons evergy levels are fairly low even if they are improving and he never follows his marker, ever. The amount of times he lets players waltz past him to score is shocking.
Also I would much rather a DM with good positional sense that a strong DM. Just a preference.
no i really can’t stu, but if we can’t find someone like that, then we don’t really need a dm, I’d actually rather song play if he can continue to improve! It’ll need to be someone wenger picks out of the blue. No problem if an african, no african nations until next year, and by then it could very well have been rescheduled so in the summer, and song/denilson/ramsey/coquelin will have come on by then so will be absolutely fine even if was a player to go off to the anc!
Incidentally, thought i’d do a bit of research about milwall fans’ opinion of jay simpson on their fans message board, as most milwallers i’ve come across think he’s pants, had one response – “Fuck know’s how he won League one player of the year last year. He was alright, nothing ‘out of this world’. He won’t make the Arsenal first team, you’ll fuck him off to some club like Norwich in two years time.
To be fair he was played out of position at times but he deffo ain’t gunna be the next Ian Wright. FACT.”
be interesting to see what other fans think tomorrow! That pretty much sums up everything i’ve been told about him and his time in the lower leagues though. Didn’t even get into the league 1 team of the year or win milwall’s player of the season i don’t think, apparently people thought it was a mistake when he got the player of the season award!
yeah i agree about flamini’s energy levels stu. They were absolutely incredible, he ran around like a madman kicking the opposition all day. However he wasn’t a natural dm, he couldn’t really tackle properly, however determined he was, and couldn’t read a game at all. Denilson is just a different style, gets so many interceptions and tackles by outsmarting players rather than running at them like a madman, both as effective as each other. I disagree about flamini’s positional sense and marking, he often lost his man, but his energy just meant he was usually doing something else. I don’t consider him a better marker than denilson, though he was more physical so could make up for his mistakes better i guess. Don’t think either are ultimately the answer as proper dms though
Was Jay in the Championship or league 1 last season. I always just presumed it was the championship. And i never heard anything about him last season. If he was so good then why didnt I hear anything about it?
btw, why are Millwall fans commentating on him?
no it was league 1 stu, he was on loan at milwall from us last season, and got the league 1 player of the season award
Neither of the 2 may be a DM or the answer to the probelms but it was still stupid to let him leave. Even if Flamini was just energetic he still had a great season in an amazing 4some. Neither of the two should have left but both should have been replaced with ease.
Hleb was great at holding onto the ball etc but easily replaced by a tricky winger and Flaminis running could be replaced even by a championship player. He=is best asset was easily his ground covering.
Ya thats right. How i forgot who he was on loan with I just dont know. Wierd!
i agree about flamini, but i don’t think hleb could be replaced easily, there are maybe 4 or 5 players who could have replaced him, nasri being one of them, and probably the only player available, and that’s only in the future. Hleb was imo one of the best in europe last year, ribery could have replaced him easily, he’s the only one i could think of who could have straight out
Alright maybe not easily replaced but not impossible either. There are a lot of players out there who could be just as effective. His ball retention was second to none but his lack of self productivity makes him replaceable imo. Its just a matter of finding the right player and paying the best price.
i dunno stu, i think that team and style of play had been 2 years building, and as you say his ball retention is second to none, there isn’t anyone we could have brought in to do hleb’s exact job, and as a result our style of play had to change and the team needed time to adapt. Though that would have been the case in the best of scenarios with everyone fit, adapting slightly but nasri rosicky cesc working similarish to hleb rosicky cesc. However the way our luck has gone this season we no longer have a style of play, or any players left, so it’s just a case of taking every game by itself and trying to win it however we can!
I supposeyour right but there was no guarentee that even with a fit Rosicky and Cesc that Nasri would have been able to fill that role, nor is it possible to predict how the team as a whole would have done without Flamini.
Noone is ding well this season and the full backs this season have been pretty poor compared to last season. Clichy has been making so many mistakes and Sagna has done nothing really. Both are effected by the loss of Flaminis covering and stamina. Likewise the CBs have no cover either. Denilson may be just as defensive minded as Flamini but is certainly not as cautious as Flamini. Add to that Denilsons being naiive and the defence has been left isolated far too often.
Anyway, its been a pleasure discussing different things with you. Have a good one, im off til tomorrow.
You know, even if we do beat Plymouth Argyle tonight I’m @ the point where my belief that we can go all the way is gone..
Its a sign of the times but i don’t believe anymore
In the old days you knew a bloke like Pires would do the Cup Job, but we don’t have that anymore. Some one plays a belter then is injured for 3 months
Big Raddy
Sorry if I compromised our relationship, but I’ve been a bit anxious about my daughters birthday party around the pool today, and the lead up weather has been absolutly English so the water is cold as.
We have had a shit Summer so far. & I mean shit, let me tell you.
Still the day went down OK ,so now I’m ready for some serious Football.
P.S I will always defend the man(Charlie) who got me hooked on The Arsenal
There are only 2 football teams that i would crawl across 2 kilometres of broken glass to see play a final:
1. is the Richmond Football Club (Australian), &
2. The Arsenal Football Club (English) I can’t explain it but I just love them.
I remember the 1st time I stood on the North Bank. I felt like I belonged there.
I remember walking down Seven Sisters Road in Finsbury Park, rubbish blown about by the wind, mind you it was summer @ bloody hot too
and, I felt like I belonged.
And I feel like I blong on here @ Le Grove. I know I carry on abit, but I think the fellow goonerson here understand the ol’ gnarley, even ethangooner
does now.
The main story today is the bumbling old fool Hillwood coming out with comments that we have no money, yeah right pull the other one mate, we are loaded.
WE know how much more the club makes on a match day, WE know how much is to be made from the raping of Highbury (£100mill in flat sales already), WE know how much of a profit Wenger has made on transfers in the last few years, WE know we got selling on fee’s from Bentley and Dirria (£10mill), WE know all the big wage earners have been sold (Henry,Sol,Pires,Freddie,Gilberto etc)
The way I see it is that either Hillwood is carrying on his tight ways (his family have never spent a fuking penny on the club) or he is trying to be clever to reduce the fee’s we pay for players in this transfer window, either way his comments are yet again un-needed. We have a CEO (at last) surely its his job to speak about these matters and not an old fool who sold more or less all his shares in Arsenal to David Dein a good decade ago.
Anyways lads/laddies ignore Hillwood he has no power over what is spent and Id be shocked if he has much understanding on how much we do have.
pat
we got no money trust me !
the highbury crp your on about is only 39 mil deposits taken prior to christmas and we have to pay for the construction on the building you know ! they wont build it for free !
id say with the stadium repayments and the highbury construction costs we are well over half a billion in debt currently …
not bad for not wanting the sugar daddys right ..
we would rather have no bodies on the board who couldnt bail us out if we tried !
YES lets not get some big fat russian to take us over .. lets stay with the old frumps who get us into piles of debt locally ! …
its dangerous times with the market … almost critical .. if things get worse like they are predicting … dont think we will pay off close to 600 million quid any time soon either !
add to that a lot of fans are not turning up ..
then another disappointing season … well you might find the ticket pricing drop ….
that might be a bonus for REAL fans ..
WENGER MUST SPEND .. and get some quality in !
its a no brainer ..
i agree , but i think stan the man might coff up 10 mil and the fat russian if they get him in also !
plus wenger will sell 1 or 2 ..
what happened with the russian joining the board anyhow ?
anyone know ? or was it just another BS rumor ?
Would Arshavin enjoy himself at Arsenal? If we still had Hleb, not only would we have had two of Europe’s best exponents of close control and visionary passing – ok three, I forgot Cesc – but there would be another Russian speaker at the club.
But we don’t, so you would have to hope that Fabianski or Rosicky would be able to fill the gap. It’s important for a player’s fast adaptation to a new league, to have people that can make them feel at home. I suppose we could get Usmanov to come in and chat to him at lunchtimes
of course this is assuming we sign him, which is quite a hefty assumption…
ethan hello,
you say we have no money or at the best very little and i agree with your assumption that to complete the building programme it obviously has to be funded and i think we are about 400million+ in debt.
we are running the club on a shoestring transfer budget,net spend in the summer was 4 million.One could argue that it is honourable that wenger has kept us in the top 4 these last few seasons since the move to the emirates,based on financial restrictions.
what we didn’t know a year ago was that rosicky and eduardo would suffer long term injuries and now added to that we have lost fabregas for most likely all of the season and walcott for at least another 2 months.
We were categorically promised 3 major signings in the summer and fizzman and phw are saying contradictory things Wegner miscalculated on flamini,should have kept gilberto for another year and don’t laugh even lehmann should have had another season,just to keep almunia on his toes.
now we have an abundance of average players,no real leadership,unrest between players,and the whole thing is going pear shaped.one signing isn’t going to make a huge difference and the philopescy remains to be solvent in the next few years rather than achieve any silverware.we are a selling club,and regardless or what we do this season either fabregas or adebayor will be sold to keep us afloat.to me that is the reality as i see it now.
oh my prediction for today is a hard fought win by one goal,as i dont expect to see the fluidity in our game that wenger spoke of yesterday.i am totally pissed off with the board/manager and even if we win 6-0 it will prove sweet fuck all.
thanks for making a mockery of our great club.
“The situation is that he is a player who has a two-and–a-half year contract and will remain with us,” said Wenger.
“I am happy with players who are committed and Kolo is a big example for that. There was a minor incident that you could multiply by 20. It happens every day in every club and is sorted out now. Kolo is happy here.”
Later, the manager was asked if Toure had asked to leave.
“Yes,” replied Wenger. “But we spoke about it with him and I think he has changed his mind.
The Frenchman was then asked if the centre back had actually withdrawn his request.
“Yes,” he replied.
Toure has found it difficult to get in the Arsenal side in recent months because Wenger has been reluctant to pair Gallas and Toure together at centre back.
Before Johan Djourou’s 11th-hour injury forced the latter’s inclusion at Aston Villa on Boxing Day, the duo had not featured in tandem in the Premier League since October 4. However the manager says that is down to their height not their personalities.
“It’s not a question of Kolo Toure or William Gallas,” said Wenger. “It is that the two together are a bit short in the air. We needed to add some size centrally.
“I think they get on, personally. They get on much better than people think and if you lived with us every day you would see that. Anyway nobody can prove fantastic friendships help you to win football games.
“Kolo did have a little problem when he came back from the African Nations Cup [earlier this year]. He wasn’t exactly the same sharpness any more. Now, he has come back to his best level and he works very hard in training.
“He is a fantastic guy, Kolo Toure.”
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why has it taken over two years for AW to see that KT + WG does not work as a central pairing? You only need to watch one game to see that! I hope to god Djourou plays today, because Plymouth are supposedly strong on set-pieces.
“Kolo did have a little problem when he came back from the African Nations Cup [earlier this year]. He wasn’t exactly the same sharpness any more. Now, he has come back to his best level and he works very hard in training.
really,to me he is overweight and no mention of the malaria.i wouldn’t call that a little problem,yet i am sure we can get him back to his best and it would be foolish to sell him now,what happens if we get yet another injury,which based on recent times is quite probable.
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