Ok so by now you will have worked out the blog crashed, not us but WordPress! We were having a lively debate but I was personally unhappy that there were some out there that disagreed with me, and you know what some blogs say, you can’t disagree with Le Grove or they ban you.
We were as well (Wengerism) debating why the boss perseveres with the oversees lads but dumps the English ones as fast as a broken wordpress post.
Senderos, Flamini, Eboue and Song are examples of perseverance and Bentley, Pennant, Muamba and Sidwell are wordpress posts.
Any ideas? We were also saying that most believe the back line last night will never make it and only Merida, Ramsey and Wilshere will survive, along with possibly Bendtner and Fabianski.
So what is the point is losing another cup when if all he wanted to see the kids play? If that was it then he should go to Underhill, as that’s where they can be found.
These are the points you Grovers this morning debated, whipped together with my outrageous bias, so let the debate continue!
P.S. Please be reminded that we have loads of tickets available. Wigan (Club level 4), Liverpool (Club Level 4), Boro’ (3), Villa (1), Porto (1)… get buying Grovers!
December 3, 2008 at 3:33 pm
er… FIRST!
December 3, 2008 at 3:34 pm
WordPress - RED card
December 3, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Ah second? Maybe
December 3, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Ok not secong but still a podium place.
December 3, 2008 at 3:45 pm
I need oxygen,,, where’s the other post gone?
December 3, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Thought Rodgers looked very promising. Liked the way he shouted all the time.
Someone is after Traore I hear
December 3, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Traore needs to come back.
December 3, 2008 at 4:01 pm
get traore back and gibbs can go on loan in the prem next year
December 3, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Both Traore and Gibbs are poor left backs. All they really have is pace to burn. They will have to fight it out to determine who stays at the club to fight for the left wing spot.
December 3, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Sorry guys, but I don’t remember Song ever handing in a transfer request? Or Eboue… If the english boys can’t be patient… then that is no ones fault bar their own.
Pennant left at 22… and has flopped at Liverpool and proved he was a drunk. Link
Sidwell left at 20… 5 years ago, flopped at Chavski and is now prospering in a team that wont make the top 4. Remember who he was competing with backt then.
Muamba left at 19 and nothing about his game suggests he is any better than Song. He can’t get a decent club and he went down with Birmingham. Rubbish…
If any of them had stayed on… they would have got the chances as well.
Alex song has hardly been a regular… he still isn’t and he has only made 24 appearances in total for us… but he is patient and doesn’t moan when he is not picked.
December 3, 2008 at 4:15 pm
… by all accounts, it looks like the Bolton fans think Muamba is rubbish as well.
December 3, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Traore does need to come back…we miss him badly
December 3, 2008 at 4:44 pm
WHAT ABOUT VELA!!!!!!!!!!
HELL MAKE IT FOR SURE
POOR DISPLAY LAST NIGHT, BUT COME ONE!!
And le-grove, how can you rate bendtner? Vela missed the chances he missed as he doesn’t play week in week out and therefore doesn’t have the experience yet. The player in his way is Nik, who missed the chances in the games he played leading up to this (bar one goal against Kyiv) played awfully in them, but stilled played ahead of Carlos
PLEASE ANSWER THIS:
IF BENDTNER DIDNT PLAY FOR US WOULD YOU BUY HIM?
IF VELA DIDNT PLAY FOR US WOULD YOU BUY HIM?
December 3, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Geoff
cesc at 17 took over from pat .. hardly did his time over a few seasons in the c.c
its not like several seasons of c.c has made him mature into a 1st team footballer
that happened by persisting with him for 3 years !
Only last year was he coming into his own .. and its debatable this season if it ever happened at all!
in all honesty cesc has looked pretty average since his buddies have left ..
December 3, 2008 at 4:51 pm
geoff my point is cesc was always going to be in the 1st team !
he was groomed as pats replacement ..
who has rose from the c.c ranks after a wenger successful experiment !
oh i have 1 for you ! SONG …
i rest my case
December 3, 2008 at 5:00 pm
my point is over all the C.C scam is a sham !
i can think of no other reason to play these guys other than to get them noticed by blackburns and portsmouths to eventually sell on ! or loan out and have there wages paid for !
is it really worth fucking up the chance for silverware to further the bank roll of the club ?
its like gibbs landbury randall or any of the others will really have a shot at being in the 1st team ?
EVER ?
sure play jack - ramsey vela .. fabianski , even merida but the rest keep them in the stiffs and let them prove themselves there !
why fuck up our chances of a cup ? its not like we dont need one or are not well overdue for 1 !
the EPL is out of reach this season realistically and C.L is just a lotto draw ! and we all know the chances of hitting the money for lotto .. besides in the C-L there are some big teams home and away too beat , we couldnt even put chicken kiev to bed until the 87th minute !
so now we only have the F.A cup which is within our targets ..
and we had a pretty good c.c draw ,burnley was definitely beatable if we took the fucking thing seriously !
December 3, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Rob, Nik B and Vela wont ever compete for the same place in the Arsenal team.
They are different players.
Nik will compete with Adebayor for a spot, and Vela with the likes of RVP, Eduardo, and Walcott, for 2 places in the team.
December 3, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Anyone noticed Wilshire gets subbed after 60 mins if he has played well or poor.
It is part of Wengers plan.
December 3, 2008 at 5:06 pm
hear hear ethan - you are the voice of reason
December 3, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Just off topic about world class players.ronaldo has scored 4 goals in 4.5 years against the other top 3.
We have been privileged to see two of the greatest players ever to play for us at the same time in dennis and th14 and we most likely will never see players like that again,therefore many of us compare them and others from the invincibles to our present crop.
You cant just pluck players out of the air espcially if you haven’t got an open cheque book,and that is no guarantee of success.
As long as wenger is in charge,whatever he says,he will not make a huge effort to sign english youngsters,and in any case the choice is limited.
vela and bedntner are not 16 or 17 and vela might make it.bedntner should be sold.of the kids most agree a bright future for jack and ramsey.all the others wil disappear.
December 3, 2008 at 5:14 pm
The league cup is a joke, we should never play our first team players in it because it’s just a chance to get injured, and an extra game in an already overcrowded season. Granted you could call it a chance to win some silverware but as a competition it contains less prestige than winning the emirates cup! If we’re obsessed with just getting shiny cups in our trophy cabinet regardless of the competition then we might as well play our full team in the reserves, we’d definitely win the reserve league!
The league cup gives our young players and new signings very important experience they couldn’t get elsewhere. Out of our current squad Cesc, Denilson, Bendtner, Eduardo, Theo, Song, Djourou, Clichy, (maybe almunia?) all got invaluable experience in the League cup before they made their first team breakthroughs.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens to the likes or randall, simpson, merida, lansbury who have no real chance of being involved in the first team this season, whether they’ll be loaned somewhere in january. Randall and simpson will never make it, but merida and lansbury still have a chance, but are a long way away at the moment. Maybe even Vela could go on loan should eduardo return from injury
December 3, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Ethan, bang on,
There is an awful lot of spin surrounding our carling cup exploits over the last few years. You would think by now people would see a pattern developing, but they still fall for it hook, line, and sinker. As Pedro said, sometimes it takes another sobering defeat to look at things properly and try and retain a sense of objectivity.
We should play a select few of the youngsters but there is absolutely no point in throwing together the ad hoc bunch we had last night and expect to glean anything meaningful from it.
There’s nothing stand out about hardly any of the youngsters apart from a couple or three but yet the average joes get hyped up by association.
That’s why I picked out Gibbs as a point. To try and shake a few feathers and wake people up to the reality of things. He will be lucky to forge a career in the championship but yet you get Liam Brady talking about him on Sky Sports News. It’s all very counter-productive especially when your talking about a culture at Arsenal which seems to breed arrogance and complacency.
December 3, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Kelsey, i dont see what Ronaldo scoring 4 goals has to do with that but otherwise I agree. Dennish and Henry were rare players but players that good are out there. The only problem is that they play for the big clubs and only care about winning things whereas Wenger doesnt seem to.
I think Bendtner could eventually be a great forward but he wont be until he is about 24-25 and Wenger probably wont wait that long. For now he should be a super-sub. It would be interesting to see if we could loan him out for about 4years.
I think that Lansbury could make it here. He is amazing for the reserves and is an England star at his level at CM. He also showed desire in an Arsenal mag interview. When asked where he would like to be in5years he said : Captaining arsenal. Thats at least shows he wants to be at the club.
December 3, 2008 at 5:21 pm
We should have played our best 11 against Burnley as cc was the only realistic trophy for us this season. Dreaming about fa, epl or cl is like George bush hoping Obama will concede the presidency to him for a third term .
December 3, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Bendtner has had a crap period where his confidence has been shot but he still offers alot to the team already, and will improve massively. He may not be the most prolific in front of goal, but he still creates chances for those around him the vast majority of games he plays, and he still did last night.
I wouldn’t say lansbury is amazing for the reserves, I’ve not seen him be amazing once this season for them! He does have alot of ability though, and is absolutely brilliant for the youth team and england youths, he’s a long way away from being able to play the gerrard sort of driving midfielder role for us though in men’s football
December 3, 2008 at 5:26 pm
kelsey
17 .. well add 2 years only ..
19 is pretty young for a striker ! even torres is well into his 20’s and he has the best yet too come .. strikers peak around 25 as a measuring stick , nik b is still way off that water mark !
and comparing him to ade there isnt much difference ! both need work on there finishing and shouldn’t be relied upon ! and again thats down too team selection .
RVp is our only striker on fire , and if he isnt in the team where do the goals come from ?
ade makes far more economic sense too sell ! nik B will be at ades level within 2 years .. maybe sooner if wenger persists ! nik b is definitely a better match for our passing game .
both still shoot straight at the keeper , only ade is refusing to learn the offside rule , at least nik b wants too shoot and not pass off this season ! sorry if there’s someone too sell who’s on 80 k a week , its ade ! he has been a huge disappointment comparing too the wages he was after this season , on that wage like that he should be banging them in for fun !
December 3, 2008 at 5:27 pm
we just beat chelsea, and only 7 points behind now, very much back in the race, and people are pessimistic again because our kids lost in the carling cup?!
There is no way we could play our first team twice in 3 days without making players stupidly tired or picking up injuries, coming up to a very busy december schedule, so would people have rather we rested players against chelsea?!
December 3, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Consistently the worst Arsenal blog on the internet.
- Do you really not know why Pennant and Bentley were sold? Is it not obvious whenever they open their mouths / are let out of their jail cells? Same reason as Quincy who, incidentally, is not English.
- You don’t think Vela has a chance of making it? Bizarre.
- Reserve games bear no resemblance whatsoever to a cup tie. Losing last night in a competitive game is worth more than a dozen reserve wins.
And I would suggest that the posters suggesting we should go all out to win the Carling Cup with our first team might be more happy supporting a team with no prospect of success in the three big competitions. Winning the Carling Cup and finishing 5th is miles worse than losing in the Carling Cup and finishing 4th.
December 3, 2008 at 5:31 pm
A you are right. Wenger has played the young Guns for years now. I think we need to sulk, get mad, and then get over it. What’s done is done. I watched the Wigan game, and the young’ens played them off the pitch. Burnley were very organized, and knew what they needed to do to win.
We have to focus on the EPL one game at a time. We won’t win simply by showing up. The first team have to put a fire in their belly’s . . . they need to want to dismantle every team they play. Only then will we start to see the string of wins we know are in them.
December 3, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Dave . . . ouch.
December 3, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Dave you had a lot of good view that iIshare there mate… but why did you come on here and insult the blog and some of the posters?
It’s a shame because you would have been welcome!..
December 3, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Dave
Shame about the opening part of your post as I thought the last part made a great deal of sense. Try debating the issues it can be quite rewarding
December 3, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Apart from the first line you’re right Dave! First line was very unnecessary though
December 3, 2008 at 5:35 pm
A, I think Djourou could have played last night and Silvestre could have played left back. Is Kolo Toure injured?
If we had a kick ass defence then the likes of Merida, Ramsay, Wilshere wouldn’t keep have to try and rush their game and lose their poise due to defensive errors. Whe Burnley scored it hit the lads hard and it was due to poor play from Gibbs at left back.
We managed to play decent in the first half but then the wind was taken out of our sails again due to stupidity from Randall. We never recovered and played in a deflated fashion. I can’t see how that is of benefit for young players. They can still see and learn the ‘ugly’side of the game without being hamstrung by gifting goals away.
It’s not really being knocked out, it’s more to do with the utilising the talented youngsters properly and needlessly popping their joyful balloon.
December 3, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Avenell is right . . . open to thoughts, opinions, fact . . . fiction . . . but not bashing. Not nice Dave . . . not nice at all. That might be a Red Card.
December 3, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Stu,
his scoring record isn’t great against our top clubs.
i said the ronaldo point wasn’t related to us but the point being for a current world player of the year(200
I think bottom line is that wenger thinks in 4/5 years we will be debt ridden with wonderful talent to achieve anything,even if it means sinking down the league for the next 4 years.he is wrong,we all know that and to me the lesser of 2 evils is to sellout to kroenke and have the finance to compete.not the best solution,but wenger/the board have let things slip bu not buying like for like as players get past their sell by date and the flamini/diarra cock up/i would have kept gilberto for one more season as well.i know he has slowed but has vast experience to play in certain games.we could even have kept lehmann,because both are keepers are inconsistent.i am not interested about fabianski in 4 years time,we need quality now.
December 3, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Dave try again. Be a little humble and we will talk Arsenal all day and all night if you want!!!!
December 3, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Wigan won’t be a walk in the park. Every team fancies themselves as Arsenal beaters these days, and who can blame them. They will have to play with focus and with a confidence/not arrogance of a Chelsea beating side.
Almunia
Sagna - Gallas - Djourou - Clichy
Denilson - Cesc - Nasri - Diaby?
RVP - Ade
He probably won’t change the line up from Sunday’s game.
December 3, 2008 at 5:41 pm
no A
but 45 minutes for RVP wouldnt have gone astray !
we arent talking about old age pensioners here !
correct provisions taken and rest days in the middle , i see no reason why he couldn’t play 45 minutes … just to get some goals on the board and then let the kids hold the lead !
and the next game is on Saturday ..
at this late stage of the comp wenger should have gone for blood !
not left the door ajar for someone too take the cup away from us !
it was ours too lose !
also like i said what does wenger gain from playing these 2nd stringers ?
who has made it out of his illustrious C.C master plan for the past 3 years ?
Silverware = confidence ! and belief ! dont you think we can do with all of the above ?
I think its fucking piss poor that people say we dont need to win this comp !?
we should have the passion to win everything on the table !
we should just pull out of the comp if we disrespect the trophy so much !
December 3, 2008 at 5:41 pm
ethan,
the biggest mistake was giving ade the 80k but i disagree with you about bedntner i think both will be short stay players.it’s just my opinion.
December 3, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Yeah paulinho, kolo was injured, and djourour picked up a knock on sunday in the chelsea game, as did gallas and almunia, there’s no way they could have played yesterday, even if we wanted them to!
Even a loss is still beneficial, playing any first team football is very good experience and leads to kids developing much quicker, just playing in those sorts of matches strengthens the kids and is more beneficial than an entire season of reserve matches. Losing matches is part and parcel of young players developing, they have to learn from their mistakes and play in different circumstances to build up experience
The defence was incredibly worrying the second the team was announced, but there was noone else we could have had in the team. People talk about our great kids coming through, but only attacking wise, we don’t have a single kid who could make it in defence, and fabianski can’t do it all behind a non existant defence! The only kid who had a chance of making it as a defender was traore, and he went to shit a bit defensively and seemingly is considered a winger now.
December 3, 2008 at 5:44 pm
ethan it would be a massive risk going up to somewhere freezing like burnley with only one rest day, and no training in the middle, ESPECIALLY with someone like RVP. you crazy?! We need to wrap RVP in cotton wool in between important games, not risk him at a championship team up north in the freezing cold in a completely meaningless match! We have a very small squad at the moment with alot of injuries, risking the few first team players we have that are fit would be absolutely ludicrous!
December 3, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Actually I completely disagree…I couldn’t give a rats rectum about the League cup, and think that its good that we play the kids. The main problem last night was that a number of the players who would have played are either injured or needed in the first team due to other injuries.
Djourou and song would have stiffened up the defence no end, and fringe players like Eboue, and a non laoned traore would probably have played, and maybe eduardo….
I think that if we are going to go for the youth policy usuing the CC for this is ideal. Unless we are playing I haven’t watched a league cup final since the 80s, but I watch the FA cup every year.
Out of teh current crop….
Fabianski - hugely promising, hugely inconsistant…tries to hard to impress. Could maybe make it if he learns to relax (has a lot of the tools)
Hoyte - far too early to say…greater physical potential than his brother, but we’ll know in 2 or 3 years
Gibbs - Again very hard to say….only started playing at LB recently. Like his pace and tenacity and his shooting ability, not sure about his positioning or defensive awareness…depends on what happens with Traore I guess
Silvestre! - stop gap
Rodgers - he is free to leave as soon as he finds another club….only our current spate of injuries got him a game, and we’ll not see him again
Wilshere - Too much talent and pass appreciation to not make it somewhere along the line….time is on his side
Ramsey - A bit more strength and he could play for the first 11 now…..
Randall - flatters to deceive - great things mixed with utter mediocraty….i sense he’ll have a good career, but elsewhere, a more talented, less dynamic sidwell
Merida - finally beginning to look like the real deal…would be best in a formation we don’t play….will be sucessful somewhere, but depends if he gets a break here.
Vela - Will be great, and already halfway there
Pinky….Nik can look great and awful at the same time and frequently does…I do like teh fact that he never hides, and i think this bravery will lead to him eventually getting his game together…..needs to work on his finishing…was flawless in pre-season…..
As for english vs foreign argument……
1) pennant - wasn’t best suited to our style, but might have made it if he wasn’t a stupid scumbag….
2) Bently - would have got a great chance if he’d been willing to wait 6 months more….
still would be resereve right wing
3) muamba…not technically good enough…would be ok now given the paucity of song, but when he left he was never going to get a game….exactly like
4) Sidwell - might have played this year, would never have played before
5) Even uspon was only allowed to leave after ages of moaning, and only now could he be considered arsenal quaility
December 3, 2008 at 5:45 pm
You practice like you play my coach always said. A, you are right. You have to let the younger players play, and if you can’t risk CL/EPL games, where do they get to play? The Carling Cup fits the bill.
We have to keep the talent flowing. If not, we will be in even more dire straits.
December 3, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Dave
so how about if we finish 5th anyway and dont win the c.c. either ?!
fuck you are talking alot of bollocks !
play your best 11 win everything infront of you !
either get in the fucking game or stay on the bench if your a pussy !
but dont do things by halves !
what sort of logic is it too go into a trophy competition with no passion for fucking winning it ?
WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING SMOKING MAN ?!?!?!
December 3, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Spot on Dave. Only Clubs like Spurs would consider winning the Carling Cup as successful season. If we get to the stage where we’re so obsessed by winning a trophy that we go seriously for the Carling Cup then something has gone very wrong at our club. There is a real lack of perspective among some of the current generation of Gooners. Our record over the last 4 years has been outstanding. FA Cup winners, Champions League Runners up, Premier league Runners Up, qualification for Champs League each season. And the quality of the football should not be understated. In the context of my Arsenal supporting life this is still a Golden Age.
December 3, 2008 at 5:47 pm
The difference is a mickey mouse cup and £1,000,000 or Top 4 and £25 million and the chance to win the CL next year..
Even Reading don’t take the Carling seriously…
December 3, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I was at the game last night, and I have to say I was disappointed in the lack of fight demonstrated by our young players. They might be young but they need to show passion and fight, as well as fancy tricks. They lost the ball all over the pitch, they tried things that were never going to work and although you said Pedro you didn’t think that they got out-muscled I have to disagree, we lost all the 50-50s, most of our players were waiting for the ball to bounce before attacking it, and they generally just passed the ball back to the opposition everytime they put pressure on us.
Having said that had Bendtner not been wearing those pink boots and worn his shooting boots we would have won quite comfortably.
I believe that Vela (soon), Wilshere (in 2-3 years), Ramsey (in a year), and Simpson will make it. Nobody has given Simpson any credit but Simpson changed the game when he came on, he made us look a bit stronger and really had the beating of their left back. He should be given a chance on the wings in the first team seeing as we are having problems with this position at the moment. He created chances, ran at their defenders, and varied between cutting in and going wide. He was one of the few positives from the trip up North!
December 3, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Vela - Definitely one to hang onto.
As for Bendtner - i think we should persevere with him. He has been disappointing this season its true, but he is still quite young and has shown promise. i think he has quite a good partnership with Vela which could prove very useful in the future.
i agree with the fact the the foreigners seem happier to stick at and work for a 1st team place rather than believe that that deserve one by rights at the sage of 20ish.
December 3, 2008 at 5:49 pm
The Carling is a learning curve… Even Wenger learned Bendtner was poor last night…
December 3, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Avenell, judging by Arsene’s line up for the CC games, I don’t think he takes it too seriously.
December 3, 2008 at 5:50 pm
ethan, the team that played in the league cup against spurs when we went out last year had gilberto, diaby, van persie, sagna, theo, djourou, bendtner all in it in the first leg, sagna, gallas, diaby, gilberto, hleb, theo, bendtner, and cesc ade and eduardo on off the bench. Not exactly playing kids who have disappeared now! The thing with playing those first teamers in matches like that, as well as risking injuries and the competition being completely pointless, is that they just don’t give a shit, and pull out of every single 50 50 and are probably instructed to do so, as it would just be stupid to risk a knock in what is meaningless, whereas the opposition will always want it much more than us, except for when we play our kids.
December 3, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Kelsey
I slightly disagree with you over giving Adebayor 80k. He scored 30 goals last season and should be rewarded for it. Personaly I feel that if he scores 30 goals this year he should get a raise to 100k and if he does it again next year he should be told he will be on 125k, because if a player can consistantly score over 30 goals a year in the EPL he is very, very good and worth the wages above. It should also be borne in mind that for his 80k he agreed a contract extension so if he starts his silly buggers again this summer we can still command a good fee.
December 3, 2008 at 5:50 pm
It’s the boots Avenell . . . like Kryptonite to Superman . . . the pink boots have truly undone Bedtner.
December 3, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Not that Bedtner was superman . . . oh, you get what I was implying.
December 3, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Goonoo, forget about everthing you mentioned. All we ave to show for the last 4 years is the FA cup. Finishing 2nd gets you fuck all and never will. Actually not second, i mean third. Runners up dont get a trophy, they dont get a name on anything. Nobody remembers the losers and thats basically what we have been for the last 4 or so years.
After being so successful for so many years its really hard for us fans to take when the club seemingly gives up. It seems that the current board are content with just getting CL fotball and that is definately not acceotable for a club like ours.
December 3, 2008 at 5:51 pm
A
RVP touch wood is BACK !!!
no point in bring up the past , he has already stated he is over that stage …
and he is back and firing !
there is no reason he couldnt have got us started with cesc and gallas …
possibly even nasri …
take them off then the job is done .. or at least have them on the bench if needed !
NO PLAN B !
December 3, 2008 at 5:54 pm
ROBINHO for arsenal
December 3, 2008 at 5:54 pm
winning the carling cup would mean fuck all, i’d be about as happy as I am when I hear our women’s team won the league again. Playing the first team in the carling cup, as well as damaging the development of the youth and reserve players, and risking injuries, would quite obviously make our chances in every other competition a bit less! There are already too many games in a season, all players especially younger ones get fatigued at some point over a season, and everyone looks exhausted at the end of a season, so adding another competition’s worth of matches when even if we won it would be pretty much meaningless would be plain stupid!
December 3, 2008 at 5:55 pm
ethan I’m not sure why you started to pick an argument with me at 1.44, I only mentioned your comment about November because I thought it was ironic how we had won the two most critical games that month but lost the rest! How you interpreted that as a comment that needed a riposte I don’t really know…
and as for hauling out the old old ‘midfield is as good as last years’ comment of mine, which a) was made before the season began, b) was more a statement of optimism that the midfield COULD be up to the task, and c) I have been one of many calling for another midfielder in January for months now, so how you can pin that on me now I will never know. Is noone allowed to change their mind in your world? Or is it that you want me to acknowledge how correct you were all along? Just in case it’s the latter, here you go, knock yourself out:
ethangunner, you were right in your pre-season assertion that our midfield is not strong enough to mount a serious challenge in any competition, and I was wrong to believe that the players we had might be enough. I apologise. seb
Oh and just so you know, feel free to whack that one back in my face come May if we do win something without having bought anyone else in January, it would be an honour to be proved wrong by you yet again.
Your blog buddy, seb
December 3, 2008 at 5:56 pm
ethan nasri is carrying a repetitive knee injury, gallas picked up a calf injury sunday, though should be back for saturday, and cesc has looked fatigued all season and needs every rest he can get!
December 3, 2008 at 5:57 pm
These days the CL has taken more and more midweek game space, and the CC has suffered as a result of it..
Even top pro’s cannot play at there best twice a week every week…
December 3, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Goonoo
your obviously smoking from the same bong as dave is !
i have problems with ABK’er s like you backing the wneger phiolsohy
*Only Clubs like Spurs would consider winning the Carling Cup as successful season. If we get to the stage where we’re so obsessed by winning a trophy that we go seriously for the Carling Cup then something has gone very wrong at our club.
( isnt it better than winning fuck all i mean all the top teams are in the comp ! why do you think its not worthy FFS ? )
*here is a real lack of perspective among some of the current generation of Gooners. Our record over the last 4 years has been outstanding.
HAHAHAHA ! im so choked i cant even speak ! FUCK ARE YOU KIDDING ?
what part was outstanding ?
call your local police station they need to know your loose !
December 3, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Too much tension today.
December 3, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Ethan, it’s not a bong . . . Sweedish male enhancement tool . . . two very different devices.
December 3, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Stu obviously people want more than just Champions League football, but as has been said, Champions League football is ten times more important than winning something as irrelevant as the League Cup. Winning the league, champions league, or FA Cup to a slightly lesser degree are prestigious, then getting champions league football is incredibly important, then winning the league cup would be about ten levels below that in terms of prestige. If we just want a shiny trophy or our name on something we should intentionally get relegated twice then we could win the johnstone’s paint! Noone remembers who won the league cup unless it’s a small club where you say “good for them”. It’s a competition for the clubs below the top 4 to try and win, it holds absolutely no benefit or prestige for any of the big guns
December 3, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I doubt Goonoo and Dave would have been allowed on had Pedro and Geoff been here. Its a shame about Dave because apart from his thick as shit opening sentence he could have been welcome.
December 3, 2008 at 6:02 pm
We haven’t won anything in 4 seasons. The fans are getting restless. So, what does Arsene do? We lost only 3 games last season, and won nothing. We played our hearts out at Anfield, and the calls went against us.
Maybe, the tide is turning. Yes, RVP was off sides, but after watching the Man U. game . . . with Webb throwing every call to the Mancs, I felt that our “off side” goal that was allowed . . . well, it’s about time that something went our way.
December 3, 2008 at 6:03 pm
seb
all i meant by it was i said november is a pivotal month for us ! but 2 wins 2 loses would be seen as a failure . they were not the loses i imagined i must admit when i made the statement but all i meant was , it matters little as we .. drop 3 points add 3 points drop 3 points add 3 points ..
the end result is the same regardless of who we beat , you know i respect your views , if you misread me im sorry !!!
cheers amigo
December 3, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Dave only posted his one comment, and is now gone . . . wierd.
December 3, 2008 at 6:04 pm
well said avenell, top players can’t be at the top of their game twice in a week, and playing our first team last night would mean 3 games in 7 days for them,. I’m much happier giving our kids valuable first team experience, and being able to play our first team and beat the likes of chelsea, be fresh against wigan, than prioritise the league cup. Even if we won the league cup, it wouldn’t be a reason to celebrate, it’s a meaningless competition that all the top teams rest players in until the latter stages, it’s only use is as a competition for the clubs who have no chance of winning anything meaningfull.
December 3, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Did you Know:
Most Premiership Appearances for Arsenal:
333 by Ray Parlour and then 325 by David Seaman
December 3, 2008 at 6:05 pm
marylandgunner
well i hope they can get it off the top of there heads as it restricting blood flow to the brains !
December 3, 2008 at 6:05 pm
A, I did have a chuckle today, as the Tottenham game is coming on Setanta . . . they showed Ramos and the CC . . . in it’s shiny nook at White Heart Lane . . . they were so excited to win it . . . and candidly, Chelsea were pissed to loose it.
It was comical.
December 3, 2008 at 6:06 pm
I agree about the reffing bollocks maryland. VP’s goal was offside, but Terry should have gone and a 3 match ban, and Ivanovic should have been sent off too. The ref made mistakes but it goes both ways, it wasn’t just in our favour. Cole did also foul denilson before his ridiculous dive!
December 3, 2008 at 6:06 pm
The Sweede’s didn’t think about the detriment to cranial activity when developing the device. 5 men died last year due to driving and enhancing at the same time. Tragic.
December 3, 2008 at 6:07 pm
I think Ramsay is further away from the first team than I orginally thought. The more the games have progressed, the more flaws he seems to have.
I think he talented but Cesc was twice the player at 17.
December 3, 2008 at 6:08 pm
A,
dont get me wrong I know people want more than CL football but im not sure the board are motivated enough. It seems that as long as AW gets CL football his position is safe. I realise and am grateful for eveything he has done for te club but if we continue like this then I fear the worst.
When AW arrived we were a Uefa cup team at best and if Wenger doesnt realise his mistakes and change his ways then I wouldnt be suprised if we went back to that position. Just because he made us great doesnt mean he has the right to make us bad again. If you know what i mean.
December 3, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Terry’s tackle was horrific. When they replayed the tackle you could see the intent. Just proves what I have been saying for years . . . Terry is shyte. Truly.
Rio isn’t too far behind him either. What is it with this pedistal mentality with underperforming English players. I am sure that there are harder working, more disciplined, graceful, and skillful players than Rio and Terry . . . just no one hears about them because they don’t play for a “big” club.
Truly a shame.
December 3, 2008 at 6:10 pm
A
i agree over all winning the c.c makes little difference , but what it would do is give a boost in confidence , and we’ve all seen this teams needs a thick dose of it !
i think it would have pushed us forward ! gave us some winning sense of pride !
it would have been grat for morale and it was only 2 more games to play away from some silverware!
and most importantly wenger has never won it .. and as the c.c arsenal have never won it either !
so how some plonkers can come on here and say we dont need it is beyond me !
its not like we have 30 already !
and if we have not been able to get it prior , i think its an accolade worth striving for !
not making a mockery out of !
December 3, 2008 at 6:11 pm
I wouldn’t say twice the player paulinho but he is a long way behind Cesc. It’s because Cesc had a year to develop his technique etc at Highbury before breaking into the team, and before that had been trained by barca! Whereas Ramsey has only had a few months of training at the top level so it’ll take a bit longer for him to develop his technique and such like totally. It’ll come though it just might take until next season for him to come through properly
December 3, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Paulinho, you know what it is . . . he isn’t very quick. That is one thing that we really miss with our midfield. Other than Theo, we don’t have anyone that is rocket fast. Clichy is super quick, but I can’t think of any of our first teamers that really have the pace of a Ronaldo/Walcott, etc.
When you have a tremendous amount of pace, it causes all kinds of problems for opposing teams. I played lacrosse in college. We had a few really fast players on our squad. They weren’t the best with their skills, but if they got the ball on a fast break . . . look out . . . no one could stop them.
Football is no different. Look at Theo’s runs . . . he isn’t Mr. Trickery with his footwork, but man is he fast, and can run right around defenders.
December 3, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Well, I am off for some lunch. I have been home sick for 3 days . . . it sucks. But on the positive side, I have had some time to blog with you all. Chat with you in a bit.
December 3, 2008 at 6:16 pm
I almost feel like it could make things easier for the first team on saturday that the carling cup team lost yesterday. After the sensational and entertaining performances where our kids were playing exhibition stuff I felt that our first team seemed to feel pressure because of that to entertain and win in the same way, so we tried flicks and stuff where we wouldn’t usually and were overconfident, and failed to win following the carling cup both times, but that shouldn’t be a problem this time come saturday.
We’ve never won the johnstone’s paint either ethan. Who cares if we havn’t won cups that simply don’t matter?! Why does it matter, we don’t want any silverware for the sake of having a shiny trophy with our name on it, winning the carling cup doesn’t mean you’re successful, we don’t need it, winning it would be a slight bonus at best, and certainly not something that would ever warrant playing our first team in! It’s an irrelevance.
December 3, 2008 at 6:16 pm
It’s interesting to hear that Ramsay models his game on Gerrard. I’m left wondering, are Arsenal the right club for him? Would he be better suited to the United set up?
Our style of play doesn’t seem suited to his game. It’s like we’re stripping him of that Gerrard type and almost sedating his fiery style by getting him to play pass and move, continental style football.
Has he got the mentality for that? We know Wenger has been loathe to buy english players for that very reason. Does Ramsay have that ability to change his mindset? It might be hard because football is very much a cultural thing. That’s why playing the playmaker role comes so naturally to Cesc.
It will be hard task for Ramsay to adapt to our game whilst retaining his own unique brand of play.
December 3, 2008 at 6:21 pm
I have never seen a player with as much awareness of where our players are, and when the opposition are going to close him down as Cesc..
He is rarely going to change games like the Gerrards of the world.. but cesc is like Pires he is the king pin for others to look good… I don’t see Ramsey as that type of player..
December 3, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Nah i wouldn’t say he needs to change his style, he just needs to develop his technique, and you’d always expect that with a player coming from the lower leagues. Players as young as him havn’t got a style of play yet, that develops as they develop, and he has the ability to play pass and move. I think ramsey could be a carbon copy of cesc pretty much, but a bit more physical. Gerrard may be the player he says he admires, as the best british centre mid of his generation, but i wouldn’t say he plays like gerrard really, can’t remember gerrard doing as many step overs in his whole career as ramsey does every match!
December 3, 2008 at 6:25 pm
A
we have never won the johnstone’s paint either ethan.
yes but you dont have all the EPL compete for that either !
the c.c has the cream of the EPL compete for it ..
if you cant see the bragging rights in it , all i can say is you listen too wenger
far too much ! because the chev’s had a near strength side as did the other top 4 .
and we were a game or 2 off of putting our name on the thing !
winning something would shut the media up 1stly ! and get off the clubs back ! FINALLY !
if you dont think thats important in the over all scheme of things we will have to agree to disagree !
not too mention the morale boost for the players involved , none of our current crop
have won anything ! who knows how much of a boost they would have gotten from the feelings of victory once they experience some glory and get there hands on a cup !
December 3, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Ethan. You are fired up today. Is it the prospect of handing over your house keys to Geoff
Paulinho. Ramsey thought so, as did AW. He is going to be a monster player for us.
December 3, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Mymemory has let me down here. I know that Cesc was part of the team in those days but did he play in the FA cup final against Utd? Or was it Vieira and Gilberto. I remember PV04 playing but who was his partner?
December 3, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Fabregas, Pires, Gilberto and Vieira ….
December 3, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Avenell. Surely, the idea is that Cesc and Ramsey will play together.
We have no need for two Cesc type players. My hope is that Ramsey will become an Alonso style of player, - if he does, he will complement Cesc very well
December 3, 2008 at 6:34 pm
we most probably will never see half that team that played last night ever again.that’s the reality.
even though we have only spent 4 million this year on ins and outs we must agree we have had more injuries and injury prone players than for a very long time.
December 3, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Avenell, is that the midfield that played? Reyes didnt finish but did he start leftmid?
December 3, 2008 at 6:34 pm
BR ! ?
to geoff ?
why geoff ?
i said i wouldnt bet my house on the game ! meaning me and a bookie !
that i wouldnt !!
and i suggest geoff put his house on it !
which he should of !
& i should be getting commission on giving geoff the tip ! !
also land ownership for foreigners is illegal here
December 3, 2008 at 6:34 pm
That was a tasty midfield….
December 3, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Arsenal: Lehmann, Lauren, Toure, Senderos, Cole, Fabregas (Van Persie 86), Vieira, Silva, Pires (Edu 105),Bergkamp (Ljungberg 65), Reyes.
Subs Not Used: Almunia, Campbell.
Sent Off: Reyes (120).
December 3, 2008 at 6:37 pm
BR
i m just fed up with people thinking that trophies mean nothing !
well tell that too the fuckers who will be lifting it this season !
because im sure they are not going to walk around with frowns on there faces
when they win 1 of the only 2/4 cups available this season !
December 3, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Ethan …. that is not what Geoff says !!
I bow to your knowledge on this subject, but if no foreigners can own land, why are so many developments going up along the coast. I was in Hua Hin last year, and there were hundreds of properties being offered to foreigners. Or are they a type of time-share scheme ?
December 3, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Raddy I hope so… but will Cesc hang about for the 3 or 4 years it may take Ramsey to be top class?
December 3, 2008 at 6:40 pm
and more importantly we go 5 years with winning fuck all !
whats the point in turning up to the c.c if you have’nt go the passion to win it !
stay at home dont risk the injuries ! you old frumps !
December 3, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Thanks avenell.
December 3, 2008 at 6:41 pm
I don’t think AW believes the CC is nothing. He genuinely believes that his youth team can win it. With better finishing, we would be in the semi’s.
No-one can legislate for the appalling finishing last night. They were all bad, but Randall’s was the worst .. he had two players waiting for a tap-in.
December 3, 2008 at 6:44 pm
you have to own a company BR .. which is 51 % thai owned !
and the other 49 % is yours ..
providing you own a company ..
or you do what i did , put the land in your sons name
December 3, 2008 at 6:44 pm
trophies don’t mean nothing, trophies you get for meaningless competitions don’t mean anything. Winning the league cup wouldn’t get the press off the clubs back because they recognise that it doesn’t mean anything! As soon as any top team rests any of their players, thereby showing that they aren’t trying their best the competition is undermined in terms of the achievment of winning it, let alone a competition in which i doubt a single team in the top half of the prem played a completely first choice team! Whether a team rests half or all their first team, or even just two of their players it shows they aren’t trying their best and therefore completely undermines winning it for a team who’s at the top, it only retains any sort of achievement for teams you’d expect to lose against the big boys, it holds absolutely no prestige for teams who are on par with the best.
December 3, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I hope so too Avenell……
I may be naive but what more can Cesc want than a team which will be built around his talent? He may be able to earn a few more Euro’s in Italy/Spain, but he won’t have the freedom he will get at THOF.
And he will have seen what happens to players when they leave. Even genius like TH14.
Crossing fingers/crossing fingers
December 3, 2008 at 6:45 pm
The Carling cup is a totally devalued competition since we won it in “87″ and “93″..
There is no point in just not turning up when you can have a look at the squad players and how they will step up if they are needed..
We all took our opinions as to who will make it and who may not from last night perfomance and I’m sure Wenger does the same..
We didn’t even have a parade when we won the FA cup as that is only just about worth winning now..
December 3, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Gilberto.
December 3, 2008 at 6:47 pm
True A.
But I see Ethan’s point. Any Cup is better than no cup.
December 3, 2008 at 6:49 pm
BR
yes well geoff does not really listen too me anyhow
but im sure if he bothers too sift thru the blogs he will find i said i wouldnt put my house on arsenal winning ! meaning i wouldn’t gamble it away
and if we played the same fixture again currently i would NOT bet again for a 2nd time
because with our inconsistencies you just never know which arsenal is turning up on the day !
December 3, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Just watched the penalties on youtube. We had some top shit back then didnt we. Vieira, Bergkamp, Lauren, Gilberto, Pires and Lehmann. All model professionals and arguably in the top 5 best players in their respective positions.
I would rather still have that team full of class than the young spoilt brats(only some) that we have now.
December 3, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Yeah that is true, any cup, even one as near worthless as the league cup is better than no cup, but if there is a 0.01% chance that it could harm our chances of winning a meaningful cup or the league, then it shouldn’t be risked
December 3, 2008 at 6:53 pm
A Says:
December 3, 2008 at 6:44 pm
trophies don’t mean nothing
why play at all then A ?
if you say our youth team beat wigan that means something doesnt it ?
but then we are knocked out and all the kids throw there shit out of there prams and say we didnt need it anyhow ?
hows that work ?
its not like the spuds - man U - and the chev’s weren’t competing for it also ?
and if they are in the comp , imo its worth winning !!!!
December 3, 2008 at 6:56 pm
hello thats what playing football is all about ?
winning ! why watch your team if you dont care if they win or lose ?
you like feeling constantly miserable ?
i really wanted our gang to win something so they get a taste of victory !
mentally they will all get on the same page and hopefully play with more passion ..
and maybe then they will spring board onto the next trophy with more vigor !
December 3, 2008 at 6:57 pm
it doesn’t mean anything at all in terms of the prestige of winning the tie, it means something in terms of the individual development of the young players, and experience they gain from playing in the first team as such. if it was already established first teamers winning against wigan then it would mean absolutely nothing.
Who gives a shit about spurs, little club who’d never beat us in a real competition, and chelsea, utd, and liverpool don’t really care either, even though they play more first teamers they still don’t really give a shit.
It is worth winning, but how anyone could say it’s worth winning if it affects our chances of winning anything else or getting in the champions league next year i just don’t know. It can only be those fans who’ve been fooled by the media into thinking we’re a little club with no hope of winning anything else
December 3, 2008 at 6:58 pm
How about Barnetta from Bayern Leverkusen. I know thats random but he is on my TV as i type so……
December 3, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Wengers team selections have been amazing lately… But he knows about Diet and when to rest players… That is why he proritises the CL and the PL because that is where the money is and the long term future of big clubs..
And he won’t jepardise a Champions league place for a mickey mouse cup…
December 3, 2008 at 7:06 pm
A
ok before leaving ill leave you with this ? what do you think we WILL win this year then ??
or do you really prefer a trophyless year ?
December 3, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Would AW rather the CL or FA and UEFA cup double?
Im pretty sure that the only thing AW wants nowadays is the Champions league. Am i wrong?
December 3, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Once you are out of the CL we will never attract the top players to Arsenal again…
We won’t have the prestige or the money and we could go into freefall…
December 3, 2008 at 7:13 pm
In my opinion we shouldn’t ever risk a champions league place, or league/champs league/fa cup challenge for a mickey mouse cup
let alone when there’s only one day rest in between
let alone when we have such a young squad
let alone when we have so many injuries already to start with
and especially not when of our first team on saturday, almunia, gallas, djourou were injured so couldn’t play anyways
nasri and vp have a history of injury problems and would be very unlikely to play twice in 3 days even if both were prem matches
sagna and ade are only just back from injuries and again would be unlikely to play twice in 3 days as a result whatever the matches
denilson, cesc, and clichy have all looked tired recently, and a rest should do them good, especially with it being denilson’s first season playing regular football.
All other first team players as such, kolo, rosicky, eduardo, diaby are injured so couldn’t play, so who is it that wasn’t picked last night who should have been?!
December 3, 2008 at 7:17 pm
i’d prefer a trophyless year with us getting to the semi’s of champs league, final of fa cup, and only out of title race with a couple of weeks to go but comfortably in champs league for next year, that a carling cup win, out of fa cup and champions league before they get interesting, and a 5th place finish.
I’d even prefer to come close in the champions league, league, and fa cup than not challenge for any but win the carling cup, even if champions league positions are out of it.
I’d rather be competing with the top clubs in europe than going down to the level of the average english clubs outside the top 4 and treat the league cup seriously
December 3, 2008 at 7:19 pm
WHAT ABOUT VELA!!!!!!!!!!
HELL MAKE IT FOR SURE
POOR DISPLAY LAST NIGHT, BUT COME ONE!!
And le-grove and or anyone, how can you rate bendtner? Vela missed the chances he missed as he doesn’t play week in week out and therefore doesn’t have the experience yet. The player in his way is Nik, who missed the chances in the games he played leading up to this (bar one goal against Kyiv) played awfully in them, but stilled played ahead of Carlos
PLEASE ANSWER THIS:
IF BENDTNER DIDNT PLAY FOR US WOULD YOU BUY HIM?
IF VELA DIDNT PLAY FOR US WOULD YOU BUY HIM?
December 3, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I think you’re wrong stu, we want the league and fa cup too. League and Champs league are about level in terms of importance, fa cup next, and league cup is pretty much an irrelevance. It’s just that with such a young team, we could beat anyone on our day, but don’t have the physical ability to be at the top level week in week out because of our age, and therefore the champs league is probably a more likely target
December 3, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Rob.. I agree I said the same thing last night… In a pissed, sort of too many Red Stripes sort of way..
December 3, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Bendtner and Vela are at a similar sort of experience, though Vela is a year younger
Both are seen as prodigies in their countrys and their future stars, both for good but not great national teams.
Both had one full season in the second level league, bendtner in the championship, vela in the spanish equivalent.
Bendtner then spent a season on our bench, Vela spent the season on loan at a bottom half of the Spanish league club.
Bendtner broke into Denmark’s national team a year earlier than Vela, having had 2 years as first choice whereas Vela has been a Mexico regular for one year.
December 3, 2008 at 7:28 pm
But both are still very raw, but Bendtner is closer to the first team than Vela, because he’s had a year longer training with us.
If you saw bendtner or vela I’d buy them. They are still very young and raw so you wouldn’t expect them to be amazing every minute of every match, but both have shown glimpses of their fantastic talents and what they’re capable of
December 3, 2008 at 8:02 pm
the spuds are losing
December 3, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Cheers GM.. I’ll turn the telly on!
December 3, 2008 at 8:15 pm
IMO Lauren was an average player, he got done so much by Rooney and Ronaldo in ‘05 FA cup final I felt sorry for him. What was AW thinking playing a 35 yr old Bergy as a lone striker? That was the worst 4-5-1 adaptation I’d ever seen but that victory was the sweetest esp being against the mancs knowing they played better
December 3, 2008 at 8:16 pm
We need experience now. Too many young players with question marks. We need more players 25 + years old. the kids are great if 1 or 2 get thru… but while their learning we pay for it in lost games and points
December 3, 2008 at 8:17 pm
If anyone thinks the carling cup is important… Have a look at the empty seats at the Spud game…
December 3, 2008 at 8:17 pm
I’d buy them both as well, A
Nik’s backheel pass to Vela to give him a one v one was Brgkampesque. What he lacks is grace under pressure, but that (hopefully) can be learned.
I am surprised people say he is lazy, I think the problem is the reverse - he tries too hard.
December 3, 2008 at 8:19 pm
& Old Trafford.
Loyal fans ? ……. bollocks Our kids get 50, 000 plus !!
December 3, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I don’t know about buying Vel or Bendtner but we should buy Brian Jensen, he looked tice as good as either of our keepers. Fabianski was all over the place last night.
December 3, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Who scored against the spuds and whats happening in the Manc game?
KJH has passed his medical at Madrid and he joins the list of “those that Wenger could have signed”.
Diarra is having knee surgery so that rules out a jan move for him.
And Raddy, im glad someone else sees some positives about Nik but why do you think he tries too hard?
December 3, 2008 at 8:37 pm
We should buy Brian Jensen - he looked twics as good as either of our keepers last night. Fabianski was all over the place.
December 3, 2008 at 8:39 pm
I dont know about Bendtner buying Bendtner or Vela, but we should consider buying Brian Jensen - he looked twice as good as either of our keepers last night!
December 3, 2008 at 8:41 pm
We should buy Brian Jensen
December 3, 2008 at 8:44 pm
The problem is that we need a trophy. We need one fast. If we don\’t win a trophy we haven\’t got any bragging rights and it\’s embarrassing going into the office, embarassing facing spuds fans, and embarrassing reading the papers. I don\’t know what the expectations are now, but after 5 years without a trophy, we need one fast. I think we need to draw up an equation of what we are spending on Arsenal per ticket and compare it with the chavs and mancs. If it equates to more then we need to start lobbying the arsenal board and ask them for a trophy.
December 3, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Priskin scored for Watford, Pavlyuchenko scored a penalty, 1-1.
Tevez and Nani have scored for United, but Blackburn could have taken a couple of chances, they kept falling to Warnock though.
December 3, 2008 at 8:51 pm
I cant believe after 2 seasons of utter shit…people are still defending Bentner…
its like AKB’s all over again.
I dnt hear you talking about Song and his Youthfulness in that fashion….
Do you not see “glimses” of his potential?
Nonsense.
December 3, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Flamini….O Flamini how we miss thee…
December 3, 2008 at 9:02 pm
As soon as Bendtner put those pink boots on you kind of knew that somewhere the plot had been lost. The lights of London have somehow contaminated him, and you could see that after he missed 5 sitters yesterday that Wenger had lost the plot, along with the board of directors. Instead of getting a CEO with some knowledge of football, we get a yank with a pseudo knowledge of \’soccer\’ from the mls league or whatever it\’s called. It\’s an absolute joke. We need types like Harry Rednapp who have at least got some idea of british culture and identity and know what is required in the english pl. Too many pasty faced overseas players with who could be blowed over by a feather.