Wilshere will be 36, Ramsey 37 and Cesc 36, what happened to youth?

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Ok I am taking Arsene’s comments and applying the youngest, oldest rule here, he said his current team will have a future at Arsenal for 15 to 20 years, so if we say the youngest members, like Jack and Rambo get the 20 year one, and Cesc at 21 gets the 15 year one, they will be all in their middle 30′s by then, and far too old to play for Arsenal, so what exactly is the boss talking about?

And that has always been my question, when Cesc gets to 24, his successor will be 20 and should be replacing him, so when Cesc reaches the age when he is most marketable, playing his best football and worth the most, we sell him and replace him with a younger player, who himself is now entering the twilight of his Arsenal career at 20!

Doesn’t make sense does it? You can only build a young team once Arsene, and if they are good, they will dominate, much like the Mancs did, and then you can’t split them up, so you keep them until they get old and by doing that you stifle the young crop, pissing them off so forcing them to leave early and so on.

So through all this experiment, you wait 6 or 7 years for the team to grow up, get a few years of domination, then they get old and break up, experiment doomed, what we should do is blend youth with experience and by that I mean a few 24, 25 and 26 year olds, not a 31 and 30 year old.

All this is to try and make sense of what the boss was saying about 15 and 20 years, so not a criticism just trying some theories out, and whichever way I cut it, the theory makes no sense, other than Arsenal save money.

Or do they? What we end up with is 20 odd mediocre players earning good money instead of 4 or 5 stars on great money, the end result is the same size wage bill, except one team wins trophies and the other doesn’t, which one would you rather be? and which one do you think we are?

What is clear to me is that Song is not an exceptionally talented footballer and if he plays today I expect us to lose. So onto today.

I would think the goalkeeper will be Almunia with a back four of Sagna, Gallas, Silvestre and Clichy. I would like a midfield of Nasri Cesc Ramsey and Vela but I expect a midfield of Nasri Cesc Song and Denilson.

If you want to put a bit of steel in there Arsene, put Kolo in and not Song, if anyone can tell me what attributes Song brings to this team, I’m all ears.

Forward line has to be Robin and Ade, though it wouldn’t surprise me to see Denilson and Song in a 5 man midfield with Ade on his own, I won’t be horrified with that but if he does it, then put Kolo in there instead of Song.

I feel Scolari will show a lot of respect toward us and play with a packed midfield, leaving Anelka alone up front, I don’t think it will be a free flowing game but more a tactical game of chess, I only hope someone drops the box that holds the chess pieces on Ashley Cole’s head early doors.

I will go for an Arsenal win, but if he plays Song, a Chelsea win, this has nothing to do with a ‘Song witch hunt’ I have never disliked someone I have never met, I just think he offers us nothing other than liability, I’m sorry Alex, but you’re not good enough, anyone else in the entire squad I would not have a problem with other than you, sorry mate, I’m an Arsenal fan.

Let’s shut these chavs up boys, it’s been a while since we collected our customary points at the Bridge, 4 years in fact, go get three points Arsenal, show the world what you’ve got and how you can play, show the world you’re The Arsenal!

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  1. London

    Evening Pedro

    I had an idea that you may or may not like and that is when you do your post giving the players marks out of 10 you may want to include Wenger. As we know sometimes his team selection seems woeful while other time he gets it right. Just a thought.

  5. Wrighty7

    FUCKING LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Had a tenner on 2-1 Arsenal! £150 in the back burner! lovely jubbly!

    I’ve been telling everyone all week that Arsenal will do the Chavs!

    Everyone here on Le Grove, I love you all! Like Brothers and Sisters!!!!

    I’m pumped up and beered up and I’m back on the piss again in 15 mins!

    Lets wreck da joint!

    WHO, WHO, WHO TO BE, WHO TO BE A………………………….?????????????????

  8. Pedro

    London… top idea. He didn’t really have the option of bringing on an Eboue or a Song! Which was good… Ade wasn’t doing too well, so he brought Nik on and didn’t change our shape.

    I was impressed with the result more than the performance. This result doesn’t change my mind on the squad… I kind of go along with what Redknapp said… we’re too inconsistent to make a challenge this year.

    I was impressed we went 4-4-2 and I was impressed with the back 4.

    So… do we drop Almunia? He has become clanger prone again…

  9. Maciek

    JonJon
    Yes, DJ and Willy played well, but we still need another cd, because You can’t relay on Song and Senderos(if he will be back) and Kolo may be off to City, besides he isn’t the same player since ANCup. As for CDM- we both agree that we do need atl east one. Jon, just think, what could we do with 2 or very good players. Almunia, Song and Denilson, just aren’t good enough. And, how many errors must Almunia do to be dropped?

  16. London

    It is a real shame about Almunia he was looking world class against Fenabache away and then the goal we don’t mention which seems to have sent him back to the dark old days. Still we have good back up.

  18. Magnus

    Gent’s……This is a night to remember….A crucial ref. desicion went our way….
    Fucking awesome…BUT was not to impressed with Song. He was lost for the greater part of the game…a complete disaster!

    The mighty arsenal strikes again B-)

  22. Stu

    I’m feeling both confused and embarrassed so topic change.

    Pedro, Almunia needs to be dropped. Jens was definately a better keeper and a far better leader. Jens made 2 misakes,1costly one and got axed. Almunia continues to make errors bt Wenger still persists.

  24. Magnus

    London – Almunia should be placed on the next plane to Bandar Abbas…
    On this level – you should not do errors like he did today….

  26. kelsey

    I disagree with you pedro about ade.He played his partas we said before the game.he has nuisance value and he is a good shield for a good striker and today it came off.A clinical goalscorer he isn’t,last year was a flash in the pan.

    Almunia,must be faulted for the first goal,his throw out was appaling and prior to that he had two consecutive punches which just literally went up in the air.his kicking either went out or to the opposition.Sure he makes good one on one saves but so do all the keepers in the pl exceot gomes,We can defintely improve on him and fabianski is still too young.but keepers are one of wenger’s blindspots.both stoke’s goal were his fault and he is too error prone.Why not rape chelsea of cudacini he would love regular first team football for the best club in london.With a dodgy keeper one just concedes more.he often doesn’t lias with his defenders.a good keeper is worth at least 10 points a season.

  28. Magnus

    Looking forward to that one :-) Can not describe how pissed i was with Song’s display. He was basicly 2 meters behind every situation….And he was so slow…like a lost turtle..

  29. Thomas Vik

    Pedro

    Are you not impressed by the last 30 min?Come on,they outplayed chelsea,and look at the opta,we had 5 shots on goal,they had one,we were far better in both ends

  37. Magnus

    Who said that Ade was ok….Come on ….Ade = offside. His movement off the ball was terrible. He ended with the ball high up in the midfield with the back against the goal every time… He made the Chavs defence look very good…

  39. JonJon

    maciek, iv said the exact same thing as you re almunia

    hes a second rate GK, nothing more.

    hes never been given a cap for spain in all his career so why are we persisting with a GK whos regarded as second rate in his own country,

  40. Keyser

    I said he was ok, that’s the whole point when you’re being pinned in and your midfield is outnumbered you want to lob the ball up to your strikers and for them to create some space and drag other players into an attack.

    The Chav’s defence was dodgy, they’re midfield was good, Ivanovic should have had a yellow for his challenge on Clichy but got let off and Terry should have been sent off.

  42. Big Raddy

    Magnus.

    It hate to disagree totally with a fellow Gunner. BUT, Ade made a huge difference to our team.

    He was offside only twice (maybe once). He scared the living bejeesus out of their defence in the second half, and allowed RvP to play his normal game.

    Earlier people complained that Ade was spending too much time on the wing. Then you say, he spent too much time in midfield with his back to goal..

    He held the line. That is what he is paid to do.

    And he made both goals. Anything else …. oh, yes, we won

  44. Keyser

    Big Raddy – I swear today he was a bit more violent aswell, he really did work hard and put himself about a bit, almost trying to bully players.

  47. stevie

    I am truely beaming, so happy. How good was Gallas, him staying could save us. Van Persie was truely world class in the second half.

  48. JonJon

    Haha london

    how are we mate??

    yes i have finally found my avatar skills are complete,

    it says click here to see me naked???? :lol:

  50. Magnus

    Big Raddy… I’m pretty sure there were more then one offiside here… hi lacked the timing of the run’s, and ended up in offside or up midfield /wing. On the counter attacks he was lost. He was awol when the crosses came in… Ha was still up midfield. He should have been in the box, or at least close to it..
    It was Sagna and Gael who made the game. They were fucking awesome…World class.

  55. Big Raddy

    As I say Magnus. We disagree. .

    Though I do agree that the whole back 4 were brilliant today. WG had one of his best games,. JD was solid. And the FB’s outstanding.

  64. raif

    ohh yes he did mate. we got home a Hour before kick off witch was a result ;)

    also when the 2nd half kicked off i thought id hold him with me watch we watched the game. and law and behold we won :D

  65. charybdis1966

    I have to say “Gnarley – take a bow” – well predicted on the score. I was only dreaming of a 1-1 draw.

    so the rollercoaster continues.

  69. charybdis1966

    All this talk aobut whether the boy wonder was offside for the equaliser forgets that Drog the dog was offside for his winner here last year.

    No complaints from the Chav’s bench about the officials on that occassion.

  70. Paulinho

    Geez, that was a strange victory. Strangely devoid of nerves on the stretch cause I felt we got an extremely lukcy break with the goal, so it’s not as if I would felt that mugged off if we gave up an equaliser.

    I thought Fabregas was our worst midfielder today. Poor defensively and offensively.

    Song was the best of a medocre and is far better than Denilson as a cm. At least he has some strength and presence.

    What impressed me about the team was way we refused to drop off and let them overlap us. After last season’s debacle there, I think the players were determined not to sit back.

  73. avenell

    Fabs through balls were good today as always.. But Cesc has had his playmates taken away..
    It’s difficult to be one of the best playmakers in the world, with the players Cesc has around him..
    Nasri was the best and he wasn’t that great!!

  74. bergkamp

    djourou an song were like a pair of hungry lions today boys,an my favourite man rvp done it,ade gave us what we been missing!

  78. Paulinho

    I’ll have to watch the match again but from what I remember Fabs was slack defensively and was unusually poor at retaining the ball under presssure.

    I thought our back four was absolutely superb in the second half and made our midfield look half presentable.

  79. Paulinho

    RVP is the man. Again, look at his goal record. That guy gets on the scoresheet, come rain or shine. He may look ungainly but he’s the only one who can conver those opportunities. Ade can never rifle those shots home like that.

  84. avenell

    RVP is good as long as he doesn’t use his left foot too often.. Once a game.. :)

    RVP can rifle free kicks home.. trouble is he lives in St Albans…

  85. bergkamp

    choy im not picking on van,all im sayin is without ade’s physical presence van cant play his game choy,an also without ade’s willingness to hassle defenders too many teams dictate games from the back against us,chelsea never got the chance to settle at the back today,villa did an man city did,so choy before you accuse me of picking on rvp you should think,i did rip van persie all week though,but he owed us that game today

  89. bergkamp

    i still think van should have hit the target with that free kick lol,how did jt an that other defender stay on the pitch?

  91. choy

    rvp doesn’t do a lot of tap ins.. he just belts it.. give him the ball in a good position and thats what he does most of the time!

  92. bergkamp

    no but choy,niki bendtner needs closer support than ade,and he doesnt put the fear factor into defenders,jt an the chelsea defence couldnt settle an pick their passes,ade occupies them and that free’s up van

  95. choy

    nick is not like ade.. they may be built similarly but nik is again a second striker.. who links the midfield up with the main striker!

  96. Stu

    Bergkamp,

    Rio and Terry once said that it was a nightmare playing against Ade but I think things have changed since then because he seems really lazy this season comared to last. I disagree with you on this because today he didnt really hassle them that much.

  97. bergkamp

    choy,if you was playing against arsenal,an nikki bendtner an van were the forwards you would worry more about van,an mark him tighter,with ade its hard to judge,underate him at your peril,so as we saw today guys like jt get more atttracted to ade because he plays slightly further forward,i think bendtner will grow to get that respect from defenders but not right now he doesnt provide the players with what ade does,ade is the perfect platform for a van or an eduardo

  98. bergkamp

    stu its presence,nothing to do with hasslin ,he hassles more than nik, he has pace,power and height,thats enough to put the shyts up most defenders,man city and villa’s defenders had too much time on the ball,thats one of the reasons they both controlled us

  99. choy

    I am not under rating ade.. he assisted for the second goal and half assisted for the first!

    but I was just saying that rvp just needs to play off the main striker! whoever that is!

  100. Stu

    IMO Nik is more of a second striker than RvP is but Wenger is forcing Van back there.

    Bendtners best game this season was arguably against Bolton when he played SS and Ade was main striker.

  101. bergkamp

    last season ade hit 30,he stepped up to the plate because there was no one else, the role he played today was more natural to him,id still flog both van an ade tho lol

  102. bergkamp

    yeah but choy,playin off of nikki b isnt good enough,nikki doesnt have what ade has, nik needs more support than ade an van doesnt give that when he partners him

  103. Stu

    Bendtner may not be as much as a hassler as Ade is but Nik has far better positioning and that will definately help him bag some goals as he developes.

  104. avenell

    RVP has to go back because Cesc, Nasri, Song and Denilson combination ain’t good enough to provide any service to the strikers..

  107. Stu

    But Nik is a support striker. Ade is a proper forward whereas Nik prefers to link the midfield and striker. Thats wy they played so good at the reebok.

  108. bergkamp

    no but if we got a good DM van droppin so deep might encroach upon cesc’s favourite creative area of the pitch,or it might allow van to play further forward,thats what song provided today,i think cesc moving further up the pitch allowed van to play more around ade than so deep

  109. bergkamp

    nah but i think bendtner should focus more on centre forward,his first touch isnt that great to be droppin deep an standing out wide,its not about hassling defenders,but if you can stop the defenders picking their passes then you unsettle the team,thats what was good today,jt was forced to try run up the wing becuse he couldnt distribute the ball without worryin about ade up his ass

  110. avenell

    But we played long straight balls up to RVP and Ade today, we never worked it through the midfield, Cesc was playing deeper than Song a lot of the time..

    I’m glad we one, but we done that through determination not good football..

  113. bergkamp

    im glad we scored an offisde goal,fucking mug drogba scored about 6 against us an half of anelkas goals this season were offside

  116. bergkamp

    we need a new goalkeeper,big time,thats guy is a good keeper but his decision makin when it comes to coming off his line and his distribution are a joke

  117. bergkamp

    the thing is i like scolari,especially after he had words with ray wilkins after he said we devalued the cup,but i think the chelsea managers job is just a money making opportunity,i dont think its up there for being a special job,i say he will be gone before the seasons done choy

  119. bergkamp

    frank lampard looked knackered an out on his feet in the 55th minute,an they gave that guy a new 5 year deal for 150k a week

  120. bergkamp

    choy they wanted style plus substance to their game,but i dont think you can reprogramme an old horse like lampard,he plays so central in their team they will always look mourinho,but yeah i agree avram was doin a good job

  122. Jel

    paul merson..??? what he said before this game ..hahaha wot a tit
    expected better from him..hope someone rips the piss out of him

  125. ethangunner

    well jel ,

    if you want the truth RVP’s 1st goal was offside . and i don’t mean offside marginally , it was off side by a loooong way, over a meter ! and on any other day it would have been called .
    Im glad we got 3 points but im sure you wont hear the last of RVP 1st goal !
    i thought a draw would be a fair result .. so im over the moon that for once we had the favor of the gods shine on us !

    This team on the day definitely can beat the best but i know wenger will be justifying now that he can win the title without bring in additions ! and consistency is the issue here , we can get rolled by stoke fulham and alike but turn up on the day and beat Man U and the chev’s ..

    I totally agree with geoff song is utter shit ! he is so slow ! i cant believe wenger makes him 1st 11 on a consistent basis now !

  128. bergkamp

    song didnt have a bad game today,some people are just seriously eaten up by the loathing of anything that dont cost 20 mill,song is the best we got at the minute

  130. A

    song actually had a surprisingly good game today, Today was a deserved win, we made more chances than them and made the most of them. The first goal was miles offside, but Terry should have been sent off, ivanovic should have got about 5 yellow cards! We deserved to edge it though the ref was shocking. We should definitely be back in the title race, utd could struggle next week without ronaldo and evra, and have been struggling to make chances in general, we’ve sorted out our internal problems and on the way up, chelsea are on the way down and things will get worse, and liverpool could struggle without torres for a while! Champions league might be our best bet still though

  131. bergkamp

    poor old deco,he thought frank lampard was ronaldinho after a few early season deflections,now he knows he is the most programmed midfield muppet ever,and as for joe cole with his show us your medals talk,where was his big talk when mourinho spoke to him like a prick,an he jumped ship after gettin west ham relegated,little cunt, his bird has had cockroaches in her fanny

  133. bergkamp

    if we actually sign a dm we could do a serious late surge i think,theo will be fresh,eduardo can get stronger an be there or there abouts by end of february maybe,thom rossicky could give us a late boost, we just gotta stop bein our own worst enemy

  134. avenell

    I notice the cameras have stopped doing close ups on the gangster.. Does he bother turning up for the 1/4 billion no shots on target show?….

  136. A

    yeah i agree bergs, theo, eduardo, rosicky would be a massive boost, and nasri will continue to improve and settle in, and vela being gradually introduced and developing, with maybe ramsey and wilshere developing and offering somthing as well! also vp if he stays fit will keep getting sharper and sharper, we could definitely make a late charge, as long as we’re there or there abouts come the new year. I wanted us to be within 6 points of first place after xmas and thoughts if we were we’d win the title, i still stand by that.

  137. A

    defoe could never play for arsenal bergkamp, he’w a quality goalscorer but that’s it, not good enough all round to play for us, and we don’t want or need another striker unless he’s top top quality

  138. bergkamp

    A we should be out of the title race,but the fact is chelsea an manure are droppin points too,liverpool might be flyin but do they have the experience to carry on,i think like u say,6 points behind second place chelsea at christmas

  139. avenell

    I reckon Huntelaar would be cheaper than Defoe to buy..

    I like Defoe though he is showing the Spuds what they could of had…

  140. bergkamp

    i dont like defoe,but i think he could be available mid season where not many decent strikers are,due to pompeys money issues an obviously managerial changes A

  141. A

    yeah i agree, we should be miles out of the title race by now, but utd and chelsea have had pretty significant problems too, and liverpool we’ve gotta hope don’t have what it takes, especially with torres out for a while. I really do think we have a good chance, though I’d like to see a top quality centre back and maybe big powerful dm signed in jan, though i still think even with no signings we’ll still be there or there abouts

  142. bergkamp

    huntelaar has said he wants to play for bayern munich,the german league is his top option avenell,in other words he is doin a ribery an bottling the two big leagues for the big german money

  144. A

    neither huntelaar or defoe would walk into the team, we should spend money on every other position before forwards, unless ade leaves which he won’t mid season. When fit we have too many almost! VP, Ade, Eduardo, Bendtner, Vela, and theo will play there eventually, we really don’t need forwards, unless we sign a david villa standard player, which we just wouldn’t!

  145. Keyser

    Liverpool’s squad is probably the weakest out of the other 3 and if any other team was to have 9 players out they’d suffer the most, Benitez has been playing pretty much the same players every week they have to burn out or tire soon.

    Chelsea have a good squad but they lack options that can change games once you have a few players out, Joe Cole would have been good for them today, if they had ended up with Robinho he could have been the difference.

  146. A

    yeah i agree bergs, win a week sat home to wigan, then beat liverpool, middlesbrough, hammer villa (though it would prob be a draw) and beat pompey, sorted!

  147. bergkamp

    i dont reckon we need another striker,but if rvp or ade got a bad injury i think we would have to consider it,an defoe would have a good sell on value,he is tried an tested an will score goals immediately

  148. bergkamp

    oh god i hate playin wigan,i know the kids stuffed them but that aussie gooner geezer is bound to score against us,whats his name again

  150. A

    If ade OR vp got a bad injury i think we’d be ok, but if ade AND vp were out again then we’d be in a bit of trouble. when is eduardo expected to be back, wonder if a shock inclusion on the bench on tuesday could be on the cards! bendtner looked to have got a bit of zip back in his step when he came on today, looked alot more confidence in his brief appearance, hopefully goal did him a world of good

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