So Arsenal are 10 points off the pace, we’ve managed to pick up 5 defeats already this season… oh and we are 1 point ahead of Hull.
Crisis anyone?
This situation we find ourselves in is simply not good enough for a club like Arsenal.
I don’t care how close the kids are, I don’t care how much money we make or how fantastic our new stadium is… I care about results, some section have forgotten about that but in fairness, we’ve been spun into thinking that having a good business model and acting ethically out weighs competing on the pitch. Our Chairman told us it isn’t all about trophies, that statement was echoed by the manager… hold the back page a minute… if management are thinking that way, is it a surprise the players are?
I demand my team competes for trophies every year… If you don’t subscribe to those values, why do you support a team in a competition… why buy the most expensive ticket in football? I can’t imagine there was a period when Arsenal fans were happy with average?
Sadly we’ve not been competing for the best part of 4 years. We had a good year last year, but that squad was too light to last the pace… then we lost some key members of that small squad of players, Wenger didn’t deem it necessary to replace them and we are where we are now as a result of that.
This is clearly the worst crop of players we’ve ever had under Arsene Wenger… and I’m not talking about ability, I’m talking about the attitude balance. We’ve been lumbered with a Captain who clearly had mental problems at his old club, we’ve got a star striker who thinks it is ok to head butt a team mate during a game and we’ve got a whole host of other players who just aren’t up to top 4 standards… and you know what summed it all up for me? Nik Bendtner turning up in Pink boots.
For me it just shows a complete lack of respect for the team and the fans… I know you probably think I am going off on a tangent here… but there are certain things you don’t do in football when your team is playing shite… wearing Pink boots is one of them. Let me explain…
It smacks of arrogance that a 21 year old player thinks he is talented enough to make Pink boots look good. It also shows that as a player, he is more concerned about how he looks rather than how he plays. Why else would you wear something that so obviously spits in the face of convention? It’s a completely egotistical thing to do in my eyes… when your team is on a downer, you tell your sponsor to piss off when they ask you to market their new fairy boots, especially when you’ve been playing poorly. Those boots were a complete joke and they summed up our performance yesterday.
This was the line-up:
Almunia
Hoyte Silvestre JD Clichy
Diaby Song Denilson Nasri
Nik RvP
I thought that was a poor selection and I said so in the comments.
Firstly, Diaby has problems breaking into the team because of Cesc… even though he has looked a lot more threatening over the last few weeks. So why not pair him with Denilson? When has Diaby ever shown any sort of ability out wide? A stupid decision in my eyes.
Secondly… Why was Song even playing? I always try and defend players because I want to believe they have something and I hate to write people off. However, if I was an insurance claims specialist… I’d take one look at the wreckage that is Song’s ability and assume there must have been some sort of horrific accident… I’d write Song off and pay Arsenal the sum of his value before the accident (About £27). There is just no hope… no chance of reworking him into a player that can wear the red and white of Arsenal.
I’ve got a good mind contact Phil Woolas (Labour Immigration Minister: woolasp@parliament.uk) and ask how the hell Song was granted a work permit on the basis of exceptional talent. Especially as Wenger has gone on record saying we couldn’t sign a 19 year old RONALDINHO due to permit issues!
I’m sorry, but Song is a walking calamity and he has been since he arrived. The very fact that he is in the first team squad should tell you how low Wenger has let his standards drop since the introduction of ‘Project Youth’.
Back to team selection.
If you move Diaby into the middle… why not stick Rambo in at right midfield? At least he has the ability to play there… at least he has energy and creative flair. He is flying at the moment and has the confidence and ability to change a game… if he tired after an hour (A 17 year old athlete should not tire after 2 games in 4 days), sub him and bring Jack on for 30 mins. Wenger seems to be insistent on sticking round pegs in square holes and it is not working.
As for the striking combo… well… what the hell has Nik done to justify a start? He has been beyond dreadful this season and my patience is wearing thin with him. Rolling onto the pitch with his fairy boots clearly put him into character as he played like Tinkerbell, it was embarrassing. Matt Le Tissier was really quite riled by the arrogance of Nik wearing those boots… he said something like,
‘You simply don’t wear boots like that until you have done something in the game.’
I make him totally right. He hasn’t done anything for the club this season and I am at odds to why Wenger didn’t pick Carlos Vela? At least Carlos looks interested in scoring goals. When he came on late he wanted the ball to his feet and he wasn’t afraid to pull the trigger… unlike the sluggish Dane who is so low on confidence he is scared to shoot.
I thought the team looked rudderless and utterly unimaginative. They played with all the attacking flair of a Sam Allardyce team. RvP was woeful and looked completely detached from the team… he is like the odd piece in the jigsaw… no one seems to be able to read him and to be honest, I don’t know what his game is all about?
Samir Nasri was anonymous and a bit lazy. He just seems to wander around the pitch doing a great job of doing naff all. There is a real lack of productivity in his game when he is off his game. At least Hleb would run his socks off and create openings… Nasri doesn’t have that game yet… but what can you expect after 3 months?
Almunia was back to his dreadful worst. He was lobbed for Robinho’s goal when perhaps he should have been off his line a bit quicker and he was also lucky to get away with spilling a tame shot in the second half.
I think my biggest worry of the day was Clichy. He has gone from being Mr Reliable to Corporal fuck up in the space of 6 months. His mistimed clearance led to the first City goal… but to be honest, it was coming and we all knew it.
‘We lacked the maturity to deal with being in a dominant situation’
I don’t remember being in a dominant postion and If we lacked maturity, whose fault is that? Excuses like that aren’t acceptable anymore… you had all summer to rectify a lack of maturity.
So, enough moaning… onto the solutions.
Well, there really is only one… and that is play the Carling Cup stars. If your first team can’t cut it and your reserve team can… there is only one option. Ship out the under performers and replace them with on form young pretenders who are hungry to take their places.
Bring in Rambo, bring in Jack and bring in Vela. It’s not a top 4 solution, but I’m afraid due to our piss poor strategy this summer… it’s the only solution.
Long term, it is clear what Arsene has to do. He must return to doing what he has a proven track record of doing. He has to go out and purchase £30million worth of ‘nearly world class’ talent. He needs to sign them in January, get them settled and then see where he is in the summer. We need at least three or four 25 year old internationals with Champions league experience. We need a Keita in midfield, a proper winger and a centre back that strikes fear into not only the opposition… but his team mates.
I don’t want to hear that these players don’t exist, because the world is a pretty huge place and we are supposed to have the best scouting network around. Go out and ask about De Rossi, Arshavin or Chillieni… go and raid Madrid’s subs bench… ask Inter whether they’d let Adriano go and maybe help him reinvigorate his flagging career. I’m not saying those players are the answer… just that their are players out there, because everyone else seems to be finding them.
Wenger should do what he does best… make nearly players world class. Give up on Project youth, it’s a dead duck. Only the best players deserve a chance at Arsenal FC.
One more point I’d like to make… players should be judged on ability, not on their date of birth. Flogging players who have hit 30 is poor management. Would we be in the same situation if Gilberto had stayed this summer? I doubt it. He was still a world class player when you sold him and he would have made a great captain.
Arsene… we’re asking you to return to your old ways, because watching this team collapse in front of our eyes is sickening and if you continue to stubbornly pursue your dream… things will only end in one way. I do not want you sacked, but I do want to see a change in club policies. This can only happen by employing a new CEO. The task shouldn’t take over a year and it shouldn’t be decided by Wenger. He shouldn’t even have a say on it and I hope that is the case. Selecting your own boss is a bit counter productive. We want someone to kick the club on… not agree with everything Emperor Wenger dictates.
I’ll leave you with a Wenger quote.
‘In a big club you have to go through these periods, and how we deal with it will shape our future.’
UEFA Cup football, sub standard players and empty seats were never part of the future… and I hope you are the man to keep it that way.
Happy Sunday Grovers… at least all 4 of our rivals dropped 2 points!
Le Grove is now smart phone compatible!
Pedro
Geoff
Chins up Gooners
Pedro your post has started like my last 5 comments, Now I will go back & finish reading
I think we need to spend more than 30 mil
We need more of Wilshere
Hi
That is a top post. There is no doubt about it. I actually didn’t notice the pink boots though, probably coz my hands were covering my eyes ervery time the sloth went near the ball.
We said Pedro.
I mean well said Pedro
Geoff come back we need you
Great Post Pedro
The answer is
Out
Song, Bendtner, RVP
In
Vieira, Barry, Ireland, Villa…..
Job Done.
£30M on players….. I wish! He’s got to do something… but we’re a long long way off January….
One thing’s for sure, we need some direction. You can’t expect a group of boys to recover from this without some leadership.
I’d love to see him splash the cash (my ticket has certainly gone up…. maybe just for Ade’s wage rise grrrrrrrr)
But let’s face it, we’ll have to ship out before we ship in. it’s the Wenger way….
And who the fook is going to buy Song from us???
Bring back Matty Upson! Oh that’s right……. he’s English : (
Denilson was doing a charity today saying mr. pls take the ball I am fucking lost and don’t know what to do with this sphere thing. I can’t remember if he passed a ball to a guy in red and white. Although BENDTNER gave an assured performance. Assured in that sense that he assured we won’t score. Big balls a cunt. And he lost his first touch in his goirlfriend’s pussy the night before. As for RVP I don’t remember him was he part of the team? Almunia was sleeping tonight. Ramsey looked like a star and a lion when he came on. Ramsey for the armband.
This is my match analysis
It is always clever to critise one’s team after the event, and some comments last night were perhaps posted in the heat of the moment,me included,but I have been saying since before the season started,that we would struggle this season,purely through having a small squad and not enough experience in the squad.
To be honest I didn’t think our downfall would happen so quickly,and the outburst by Gallas(though what he stated to an extent is true)couldn’t have happened at a worse time,and these things should be kept behind closed doors,and therefore what he did is breaking the unwritten code of a captain who is meant to be the mouthpiece of the manager on the field.
If there really was money available in the summer and he didn’t spend it,then Wenger must take full responsibility.City are no great shakes,having lost 7 games already,though in truth the score flattered us.Ireland is on fire and Robinho’s lob was equisite.We were woeful,our passing was terrible and it was plain to see that the whole team lacked passion and played with no direction.Gallas will most probably play next week,but will be off in January back to France.
Top 4 is out of the question,though the board is blind to question Wenger.Some idiots are all ready saying Wenger should be sacked,but he must be given the chance at least this season,one can’t live on past glories forever.Teams now actually want to play us,as opposed to thinking we are a hard side to beat.difficult times ahead,but i have seen it all before.
As i said last night we have a team of kids playing with boys.
Wake up arsene and bring in the kids who have a passion to play now,it can’t be worse than what we saw yesterday.
The only promblom with replacing the first team with the kids is that we will find ourselfs inthe same shit we are in now no leaders no experence young players need role modles too devlope.
good post pedro
Bring in the kids………. what and get kicked off the park week in week out??!!!
It doesn’t matter who wear’s that red and white, they have to play with passion, with commitment.
It’s time they stood up and be counted, starting with Tuesday. and finishing with the Chelski.
Even if we get beat 4 – 0, i want us to show some bottle.
We need some leadership, I hope the fans recognise we’re in a difficult period and support our boys…….. we can’t afford to turn the Grove into another Boooing Wembley….
We need to support them until we loose our voices, or at least until we get a new bunch in January ; )
morning guys, can i get your opinion on something?. jorno patrick barkley has just been on sky sports news. he said that wengeer told him he tried very hard to strenghten the team in the summer but…’the FA’s rules on agents didnt help him’? what do you think that means? what sort of rules are there? is it more likely to be south american players?….just a bit puzzled.
I truely don’t understand the midfield we put out. Why the hell Ramsey didn’t get a start in these circumstances is beyond me
We used to call Bendtner ‘Big Balls’ because of his arrogance and because we still believed in him, that he had the ability to back it up. I’m not sure I believe that anymore, and I’m not sure he’s a good presence in the dressing room.
That said after gallas I’m not sure who is anymore. Ade, RvP anyone? I don’t know what’s going on at the club but from the outside looking in its total meltdown, and it begins with Wenger. He has to show leadership, get this group of players focussed and together. Drop who needs to be dropped and give the young turks at the club their chance, because by the look of them they will take it ith relish.
This can be turned around. The rot just needs to stop, the players need to show some balls and the team needs to go on a run. Lets get back in the habit of winning and opposing teams back to expecting to lose. I hope tales of Arsenal’s demise have been greatly exagerrated, because it is a squad that bristles with talent, it just needs a fucking backbone, and it is Wenger that has to give it one
Morning all..
Excellent post lads!!!
And the options on your poll are very fair..
I would just like to say that a few of us want to see Wenger turn this around because we feel this is the best thing for the future of Arsenal football club..
Just because we are a bit more patient with him, doesn’t mean we support Arsenal any less than the ones who want a knee-jerk reation and want him out.
Kelsey
its as if black is opposite to white
if wenger buys he should stay
if wenger does not buy in january he is Gordon Brown
WEnger just said I DON’T BELIEVE IN LEADERSHIP. I BELIEVE IN PASSING THE BALL.
good post.
I dont want the boss out tho.
His team selections are baffling.
Yesterday, I would not blame any player for attitude except Nik and Song.
Nikki has had a few headers and ppl started drolling over the prospect, I have never found anything in him which can bring him close in ability to Ade, and Ade has a long long way to go to be anywhere near a world class “finisher”. He is a great target man tho. a target man with unusually quick feet, thats all.
Nikki has absolutely nothing to be proud about, he should have been looking to work hard and run and run, instead I am growing sick of that disinterested look on him.
Song: I have said all that i have said, he is best used as a squad player, a backup CB. nothing else.
Denilson was woeful, but playing alongside song even ronaldinho would struggle. Same with RVP playing alongside Nik.
Almunia lacks confidence but I dont think playing Fabianski is a solution either. Almunia has to improve and carry the team as the senior most player.
I am afraid playing the carling cup team would ruin their confidence, and I dont want cc performances to be muddled up.
Rambo and Vela have to be used, esp Rambo in the midfield.
Tough times, the boss has shot himself in his foot with the faith and captaincy issue.
People are dreaming if they thing that the old wenger magic is going to pull through here, if he won’t spend.
If he won’t spend. if he won’t spend
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9 Players out injured/suspended…… 11 playing with little or no confidence……..
He has to spend….. he has too!!!!
Since we’re in crisis, there is one man we used to turn to for the goals we needed to win games, someone that finished the great football off. I would love it if Henry came back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdo4ED0L0nI&feature=related
Bring back Henry in January!
I’ve had enough of this. The AFL draft is a week away, & I’m a Richmond tragic “as well”. I’m going to keep an eye on things with Mr Pig Headed. But i’ll be phucked if I’m going to bang my head against a brick wall.
Denilson is shocking…………worse than Song.
He would not start for any team in the top 10 in the prem. We got lucky with Flam last year and Wenger thinks its going to happen again.
Rambo played 20mins and looked better than Denilson who has started basically every game.
What has Diaby got to do to start in the middle. Nasri and Vela sould be our starting wide player.
Viera, Upson and Henry back……….
I think i just woke up from a wonderful dream : )
Sadly…. it was just a dream : (
Bendner is shit as well.
So is Silveter, what a waste of 750k
My Thoughts on Why we are where we are
1) We have a Board that sets no targets, and that agrees with the Manager that winning Titles is not everything!!!
We lack Idols. I am not at an age where I put a name on the back of my Arsenal shirt anymore, but if I did, there is not really anyone there to fall in love with as a player. There are some potentials coming through but the 1st team squad is devoid of personality. As I was getting to the end of that age I struggled to choose between Vieira, Pires, Freddie, Bergkamp and Henry. Our Merchandising must have taken a hit.
2) We have a Manager that says that winning Titles is not everything
3) We have young players that hear 1 + 2 and think oh, we dont have to win anything
4) We have a Manager that makes ridiculous claims in post match interviews, which seem to blame everything else apart from himself. It is disrespectful to us, the opposing Manager and team that got their tactics right, and the players can see through it, They are not stupid. To say we were unlucky to concede 3 yesterday is stupid, I thought we were lucky it was only 3
5) We have favorites and undroppables. How Nic Bendtner and Song play any higher than reserve team football is beyond me.
6) I am all up for playing potential talent, but play the potential talent and not just the ones that show time after time that they are not and will not ever be Arsenal Quality
7) Our balance of strikers is wrong. We do not have a World Class Striker. The closest we had was Ade who is still to convince us that he is over his summer tantrums. RVP is inconsistent and has a top tally of 13, Eduardo is yet to prove his worth (Not his Fault), Vela is developing and Nic Bendtner is woeful. I think in particular there is an Ego problem in Ade, RVP and Nic and it is not helpful. We need to ship at least one of those 3 out and get 1 World Class Player in. I want David Villa or Huntelaar.
9) We lack Leaders throughout the team, I know I harp on about the invincibles but we had leaders packing that team, Campbell, Toure (who has gone backwards), Vieira, Gilberto, Bergkamp and Henry who were all capable of taking the armband. We now seriously have none. Instead we make excuses as to why someone should get when in reality a natural Leader will stand out and be picked accordingly. Again a couple of contenders in Djourou and Ramsey are coming through but we need them now.
10) We failed to replace Campbell, Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg, Bergkamp and Henry with adequate replacements. Yet the right players like Ribery, Barry, Villa, Kompany, Van der Vaart, Etoo etc were all available during those years yet we the policy stopped it. Now it will cost us a huge outlay to get back where we should be
11) We keep giving him time with no real fan protest at what is going on. We need to start saying it how it is….No more Excuses Arsene, you are in danger of doing a Cloughie it is time for Action and you have to ask yourself if you are up for it, as if not you need to move on
There are others but I feel my blood boiling, I am honestly so angry with where we are
Eddie to comeback, Sissoko was good last night for Juve, be good to get him
come back matt we need you
http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/72461/Zola-struggling-to-keep-Upson
Great Great Post. You are spot on about the arrogance of those pink boots. Sadly for Arsene to change his mind things will have to get a lot worse. Has anyone seen such a stubborn manager before? A manager who was offered money to buy players and said no? He has become obsessed…With himself I suppose.
Excellent, excellent post Pedro. Good reading on a depressing Sunday. I think you’ve summed up perfectly what every literate Arsenal fan has on his mind. Watching yesterday’s game was absolutely sickening, I would never have thought that in such a short time-span we would go from being invincibles to embarrassing shit-kickers. I can’t believe how bad every single player in our playing squad was, I won’t even bother going into that as they were so bad it’s not worth it.
I am now resigned to the fact that until some kind of dramatical change takes place (I’ll leave it open to your imagination here) we won’t win anything. When I say anything, I mean anything! Premier league: gone, CL: no chance, FA Cup, will fuck up somehow, Carling Cup: worst case scenario = losing to sp*ds again…
Over the past four years Arsenal has been in decline. Wake up you fucking useless money-grabbing board of directors! Wake up you stupid french cunt! It’s not working! Your plan to make more money by spending less is backfiring. We’re actually spending more and will be making less because the way things are going Arsenal are gradually losing their ‘entertainer’ status. Things are changing in English football, and as much as it pains me to say this we also need change. Wenger, you were fantastique but no more. Pity the fans Arsenal FC, we have invested tens of thousands of pounds in you (my family has done so over since Arsenal was first founded, on both sides I am fourth generation). And I don’t want people to give me any shit like, “remember what we used to be like, and ask you grandpa and dad about how long we went without winning thing, and Wenger is god etc etc” My first Arsenal game at highbury was 23 years ago. No commitment, no passion, no belonging, hopefully the credit crunch will destroy the English premier league and all these foreign players will fuckoff back home and then maybe we’ll be able to get home grown players who are also from an Arsenal supporting family for us. Players who have red and white flowing through their vains.
IF ANY AFC PLAYERS COME ACROSS THIS POST PLEASE PLEASE REALISE THAT YOU ARE A COMPLETE EMBARRASMENT TO THIS CLUB, THAT YOU ARE UNWORTHY OF THE SHIRT YOU WEAR WHILE ATTEMPTING TO CONVINCE US THAT YOU CARE. GO HOME, TAKE THE MONEY AND GO HOME YOU LAZY, UNDERTALENTED, UNCOMMITTED, SPINELESS, GREEDY SONS OF WHORES.
I think that is worst starting XI i have seen in my 31years of being a gooner…
Its sad when you look at opposing team & wish you had 6 or 7 of their players in your team? Robinho, Ireland, Richards, Hart, Wright-Phillips would all walk into our first XI
We have gone from legends Bergkamp, Pires, Vieira & Henry too players like Bendtner, Denilson, Song & Adebayor!!?????????
Im really sick & tired of Wengers excuses & lies… I cant even bear to watch him look pathetic & lost on the sidelines anymore!!
When u have nothing to lose why not start Ramsey, Jack & Vela?????
Has anyone other than Cesc Fabregas got any balls at Arsenal FC anymore? & i dont just mean the players i know Wenger hasnt but who else at Arsenal makes the decisions??? Arsenal FC are fast becoming a joke & i dont see it ending anytime soon!!!!!
after watching yesterday’s match i wonder if its time for ramsey to have a good run in the team. Denilson has been given his chance and flopped…..its only fair that Ramsey has his chance too!!! he was the only positive thing that i could think of after the match!!!!!!!!!!!!! JD was not bad either
good morning……
A very true post….
get rid of Song and Nikk as soon as possible and about his pink shoes he has to wear them because of contract but i don’t care hat colour of shoes he wears as long as he does not miss those chances…. these two players are a liability….
Two unemployed guys are talking. One says, “I’m going to become a lion tamer.”
The other replies, “That’s crazy, you don’t know nothing about no lion taming.”
“Yes I do!”
“Well, OK, answer me this. When one of those lions comes at you all roaring and biting, what you gonna do?”
“Well, then I take that big chair they all carry, and I stick it in his face until he backs down.”
“Well, what if the lion takes that big paw, and hooks the chair with them big claws, and throws that chair out of the cage? What do you do then?”
“Well, then I takes that whip they all carry, and I whip him and whip him until he backs down.”
“Well, what if that lion bites that whip with his big teeth, and bites it in two? What you gonna do then?”
“Well, then I take that gun they all carry, and I shoot him.”
“Well, what if that gun doesn’t work? What will you do then?”
“Well, then I pick up some of the shit that’s on the bottom of the cage, and I throw it in his eyes, and I run out of the cage.”
“Well, what if there ain’t no shit in the bottom of the cage? What you gonna do then?”
“Well, that’s dumb. Cause if that lion comes at me, and he throws the chair out of the cage, and he bites the whip in two, and my gun don’t work, there’s going to be some shit on the bottom of that cage, you can bet on that.”:D
Morning all, I’m too pissed off to post, Pedro asked me to police. I can’t understand why the papers don’t pick up on how back Song actually is, he is the reason we play so bad, it’s like playing with 10 men and one of there players in that 10, I’ve never seen a player give the ball away so much.
Wenger now is just becoming a petulant child and refuses to see his mistakes, it happens through history, it happens with boxers, it happens with heads of states, see what you are doing wrong, stubborness is not an attractive or particularly intelligent quality.
wenger should play toure in midfield with ces with nas and wilshere on the wing
Passion fuelled Timmy, but you forgot to include the manager in your last paragraph, playing Song in all his sides puts him at the top of that list in my book.
Hill-Wood declared: “This issue has shown that Arsene can be ruthless. He has to be otherwise people can run all over you.
“As for whether Gallas has a future at the club, that will be up to Arsene. But I think Gallas has got a problem. Arsene will advise the board over that and we will support him no matter what.
“We will all be at The Emirates on Tuesday [for the Champions League fixture with Dynamo Kiev] and I am sure the matter will be discussed with Arsene. And 100 per cent we will endorse what he decides about Gallas.”
Peter hill wood’s comments
I agree Geoff, this has Brian Clough written all over it……
Hero to Zero
I also agree with the Toure to midfield call, when fit I would play this until Jan
Fabianski
Eboue Djourou Silvestre, Clichy
Ramsey, Cesc, Toure, Nasri
Ade, Vela
I think the addition of Toure to the midfield will help Cesc. I think Toure has proved his worth over the years and that will rub off on Cesc. Denilson and Song dont give him that.
Geoff I agree completely, I really can’t understand AW’s player slections anymore. Or his judgement in player’s ability.
Is Wenger begging to show signs of Alzheimer’s???
I meant to say “beginning to show signs of Alzheimmer’s” :p
We should never have let go of Upson in the first place
when i saw the line up yesterday i was not happy! i was quite excited when i heard about gallas coz i cant stand him and as walcott, fab and eboue were not there i thought ramsey ande wilshire have 2 start but it seems wenger bottled it! he keeps putting crap players out of position and it dont take alot 2 c it dont work!
this is the team i would like 2 c after jan!
almunia
sagna, toure, wheater, clichy
wilshere, ramsey, veloso, fabrigas, vela.
adebeyor
i think we need 2 buy 2 players 2 become a great team, a big centre back and a great midfielder!
we need 2 get rid of bentner, van persie, song, gallas, silvestre (god knows why we bought him, who cares about experience if your crap!) and hoyte!
hopefully rosicky and eduado get fit soon and bring back nortvedt 2 coz i think he will b pretty good!
wenger should give simpson and gibbs a bit more of a chance 2 (but gibbs as a winger not a full back!
Good call Colin and welcome!
i havent seen song much recently, but at the start of the year i thought he was excellent
theres obviously something wrong there that his form can drop so dramatically
same with bendtner, they both look great at times but are apparently really inconsistent
i think ramsey and wilshere should be in the team for Either cesc or denilson, cos frankly denilson has been far better than fabregas this year, but the captaincy might wake fab up i duno
to be honest a midfield of denilson and ramsey sounds pretty good to me cos despite his inconsistency, denilson has more “bite” than fabregas. ramsey is stronger than both of them combined already tho which is the joke of it; And a better ball player based on this season performances
what bugs me also tho is that ppl can blame song and bendtner, perhaps justly, but why has no one commented against walcott, and so few have against fabregas. walcott has been awful since his hatrick pretty much and fabregas has been bad all season. and to reward walcott with a 60,000 pw contract? wheres the logic? hes shown good flashes, but overall been horribly inconsistent.. give that money to wilshere, im Far more confident about him
wenger himself has to take a huge slice of the credit for the fuckups tho
playing walcott all this time, and bendtner when hes off form, when there’s clearly better options (vela); not taking fabregas out the team when hes looked disinterested at times and always poor – no one should be above being replaced.
silvestre should be out, hes not ready to start at CB in a team challenging for the title, i doubt hel ever be back to his best. arsene has just added the cheapest experienced player he could find to appease the fans. djourou is the only CB i trust in the squad!
we might as well play the carling cup team for the rest of the season, at least theyl put in the effort!
even in henry’s last season, i could see hope for the side, they lost and drew games where they were at least competing and looked unlucky when they got most of the bad results. now theyr just getting beaten hands down
Spot on with the post Pedro.
I am surprised that the 2 AKB’s were allowed to continue on here yesterday when they were clearly just trying to argue with anyone who questioned AW’s performance and were suggesting that anyone critical wasn’t a proper supporter. I think they were binned once they became abusive. Why is it these cowards always choose the girls to pick on? – misogynists as well as deluded I guess.
Survival tips for distraught gooners:
1. Try to keep faith until January
2. Lower your expectations – don’t expect CL next season
3. Don’t visit Arsenal.com
4. Remember the good years
5. Take pride in the CC kids
6. Come on LG and have a bloody good rant.
7. Kick the dog/cat
8. Get drunk regularly
oh yeh, i totally agree with colin, thats exactly how i felt
Pat sorry mate you were in moderation, fuck knows why, Timmy, I think he has it already!
OFFICIAL: ARSENAL IN RECESSION.
After 4 years of dismantling the finest team seen on these shores. The last few months have shown rapid decline, the club’s own doing.
It is safe to say Arsenal FC are now well & truly in Recession ( altho this has gone unnoticed by AKB’s, the corporates & the tourists who enjoy visiting the Corporate Bowl with their cameras)
wenger: CHANGE OR GO!
its that simple
RECESSION haha,
im suprised wenger hasnt used that exscuse on to why he hasnt been buying anyone.
we would probably come out with. ” yes i know there was going to be a RECESSION 4 years ago. so we saved all our money blah blah blah.
Mr WENGER Top Class Spinster.
http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/72455/Wenger-too-scared-to-axe-Gallas-over-the-summer
As for the poll, how long does Wenger need to turn it around? he’s had 12 years already.
Part of the reason why i believe wenger should be given time is that he is paranoid of running the club into private ownership and huge debts as a result. I think i will hold my paitence till end of january, then …
still no takers for my view that anything above 82 points would win the league this time?
Geoff
im going to put my neck out and say 2 more seasons
Morning all,
I couldnt have put it better chaps.
I’ve always maintained we’ll stgruggle this season, and would also find it hard to get 4th.
I take no pleasure in actually seeing it happen!
I have actually got to a stage where I dont expect much from thjis team, so when they win I’m pleasantly surprised.
Anyway, everyone who knows anything about football, every arsenal fan, and just about everyone with 2 functioning eyes can ascertain the following…
Almunia, Denilson, Song, Eboue ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH to be in a title winning team! the last 2 should be classed as back up players full stop. They should be playing for Fulham and the like.
So please explain to me how our esteemed manager cant see it?
What really pissed me off yesterday was his interview after yesterday’s game where he said 3-0 flattered Man City!!! WTF!!
Why can’t you just lose with dignity you blinkered old coot! We should and could have lost by as many as 5!
Anyway I’m not going to get wound up about him and his adopted kids anymore, because seeing as they cant be assed anymore, neither can I!
Enjoy the rest of the season folks! I’m done with these clowns.
time to put the invincibles dvd back on !!
Pedro
what are you getting for Christmas ?
i heard they are having a sale on .. pink football boots
man your hung up on those boots
its the only high point of the post !
love it ..
well , i think we knew it would be a tough game …
man shitty are becoming a good team … man -not so- shitty …
and when we set out the warning cry’s pre-season everyone thought we would still be top 4 material . AKB’s shouting out ‘no need to buy’ we are a financially sound club !
where are those fucking muppets now ???? ACLF ?
wengers plan is flawed .
HOW ? a bunch of kids who were unproven playing at the top teir of football ?
good players take time to create .years even . wengers methods are flawed .. i agree pedro
he needs to look for NOW players who can integrate in the team ASAP .and play people in position …
or we are fucking doomed !
least next season he wont need to rest players to keep them fresh for C.L football ..
man citeh are shit.. we are shittier ethan.. we are pathetic.. no fight..no desire and sadly no talent as well
Morning all
Passionate post Pedro!!!!! What are we to do?
Rasp – you made some excellent suggestions at getting through the next months.
Finest – I watched the link
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdo4ED0L0nI&feature=related
and being a girl I sat and cried. Wow, those were fantastic times!!!!
oh look the Wenger Puppethas spoken out
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_4538114,00.html
Ethan – man city were not a good team, they had a well organised defence and a couple of starlets that can turn it on!!!! They were as uninventive as we were in the first half and it was only the gift of that goal in injury time that gave them something to build on.
That game had 0-0 written all over it first half.
Raif.. Ive been defending Wenger and I think he needs time to turn this around..
But if he doesn’t get his finger out and sort this matter out, I wouldn’t give him no more than a year.
We need some sort of action in the January window and a lot more in the summer, then see how we start to look at the start of next season, if we are the same, we need to get rid!!
Resources are threadbare for sure, what I don’t understand though is why Wenger is persisting with players who’s confidence is so clearly shot through?
morning all.
I really thought I was going to have to eat my words, and praise Wenger for sticking to his guns. I had been slagging off Bendtner, Song, Eboue, Gallas etc. as I didnt think any of them were Arsenal quality.
Then with 86 mins gone at the Emirates against the spuds I was thinking we were gonna be up there with Liverpool and the chavs, an outstanding second half, we were superb.
10 mins later I realised that we were no diferent to last season, when we collapsed at birmingham. Tell a lie we are worse.
I have never seen such a collapse. What a lightweight bunch of girls.
I cant say anything else that you guys havnt already said, but if nothing is done in January we may as well not bother anymore, (a bit like the players didnt bother yesterday).
Oh, and to make matters worse, after some enthusiastic waving at the spuds fans my wedding ring flew off and landed either at club level or in with the spuds, so if anyone found it could they let me know please, thankyou.
And in the summer transfer window, the flats at Highbury should be sold so the shackles should have come of the cheque book!
is it just me or are the Board Mindless drones of AKB’s it seems like they eat what ever Wenger feeds them?
side to start against chavs
fabianski
eboue jd silvestre clichy
ramsey diaby cesc nasri
vela rvp
swap rvp n diaby when eduardo n rosicky is back
nic has totally lost confidence.. wel when you are 20 years old and you get booed at home by 55000 plus.. anyone will i think.. time for him to pull up his socks throw his pink boots and work harder!!!
AndyB – i feel mean, but i’m laughing my head off at your post!
mwt what about the line up for the cl game… is it on tuesday?
Morning Pedro, can I ask you a question. You say you dont want Wenger sacked. You know as well as everyone else that this guy wont back down and buy the required players in January or indeed in the summer. This team is obviously not good enough and never will be. If Wenger continues with the shit he has which we know he will do and hes not a magician so results wont change, then Pedro im asking you when will you call for him to be sacked. It gives me no pleasure to slate Wenger as hes been a great manager but the mans well past it now. Everyone knows his players are rubbish except him so if he wont spend to challenge anymore then hes got no right to be there.
mind you the bosses picks of 1st team players have still been pretty eratic over the past few years too ! .. reyes- (who?) baptista – loan , well he got that wrong !
hleb (took a few seasons to get going) keeping alumina in goal … nasri (hot and cold)
bitchslap – silverstre all purchased injured .. dudu – took his time to get going also , and will probably do the same again .. if at all !
and then there’s ade (fuck no need to go there right !)
diaby … denilson !
all purchased as talent !!!!!!!!!
well i cannot see wenger impressing us with any buys in jan .
and there are rumors that real madrid are now after wenger …
those Spanish leeches are on with a sniff … arent they ???
im sorry i totally disagree about eboue
pires described him as a warrior and if u watch him he really puts in the effort, plus hes got A Lot more skill than he gets credit for. hes actually Exactly the sort of player we need more of really. more like the flamini mentality which is clearly missing
hes a top class full back and hes adjusting to right mid or wherever hes playing now
i hate it when pple knock him like that – “hes not good enough for us” etc
if u watched him this season hes actually been really good, perhaps not so much in his sub appearances up front or watever but starting in right or left mid hes been excellent
please someone agree with me that walcott hasnt been good – hes selfish and has poor decision making. im sick of this giving him more chances cos hes english, its wengers mistake paying so much money and putting him straight in the 1st team squad.
eboue makes a lot of poor decisions, less that last year but still, but at least he tackles back and fights, plus he doesnt give the ball away on the edge of the box once a match
by the way, great post pedro
We shouldn’t be blaming the players totally – they are being asked to do jobs they are not mentally ready for.
avenell
i agree, but we all know wenger wont do anything. the dead wood needs to be cut off.
if RvP is fighting with players he should be sold. if Nikki-B dont start pulling up his socks and like most of us know he can, then sell him. Gallas Gone. Song just give him away for free the faster the better.
Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood has told William Gallas he ‘has got a problem’, and The Gunners’ supremo revealed on Sunday that the club will back the sale of Gallas if Arsene Wenger wields the axe.
Gallas did not even travel with Arsenal for Saturday’s woeful 3-0 defeat to Manchester City, with Wenger stripping him of the armband following the defender’s outspoken comments about team bust-ups.
I wonder what the result would have been if Kompany had been playing for us yesterday. We should have bought him and at £6m he was a bargain. He can play CB or DM.
Peaches you are absolutely right. It’s time to get back to basics. We have to ‘re-learn’ how not to concede goals – a good defensive coach in the setup would be an idea. The defence should take priority IMO and I include the midfield players in the term defence.
The more I think about it, the more I think that Wenger imagined that Eboue would be the one to fill Flamini’s shoes this season…
Bringing in the cc side into the first team is lowering there confidence one by one..
He should bring at least.
Wilshere, Ramsey, Vela, Simpson, and at least one more and use the energy and confidence they have built up together..
funny.. i read Real Madrid were after benitez too.. frankly i cannot see wenger leaving.. but he has to admit he is wrong. Only then can he start over again. He is in self denial.
He always seems to believe that our team is the better team even when we were raped 3-0.. could have been more..
Come On wenger.. saying that you were wrong does not make you a lesser person… Just admit it that you were wrong and start over.. get rid of some players.. spend some dosh and get world class players.. the fans who pay the highest prices.. one of the best stadiums and certainly the best pitch deserves better warriors!!
i say play the reseves choy.. except im a firm believer that a back 4 need time to gell (especially the centre pairing) so give jd n silvestre a start
mids: nasri jack on the wings ramsey n cesc in the middle
vela n simpson up front
rvp diaby to come on in 2nd half BEFORE THE 60TH MIN
id love to see wenger experiment a bit
Rasputin
re-learn – intresting word.
but what makes u think wenger teaches them anything other then silky Playstation Football
we cant deffend we cant deffend set pieces, we cant cross for shit. and we sure as hell cant score
davi, i agree with you on walcott, and eboue.
You can have pace power vision etc, attitude is the one which is most required.
Walcott is as good as he can be ever. And that for me is just not good enough.
give clichy a go in dm even.. every other player isnt working
ramsey-cesc partnership is the only thing to look forward to now for me this season.
Wenger is clearly deluded. He believes that he can turn any ordinary player into a super skillful star, I think thats one of the reasons why he has stuck with the Youth Experiment and that it fits in with the funding situation of the team.
Which came first, thats what we don’t know. Did Arsene say ‘I can turn a bunch of kids into a fantastic team and it won’t cost much’ or did the board say ‘ Arsene we have no money for you to buy players so you’ll have to develop a team on a shoestring’
I don’t want to get rid of any of our players yet Choy – I just want some experienced players brought in to the mix and help bring them along.
Take Denilson for example – I like him, i think he has ability but he should be getting 20 minutes at this point in his career not expected to carry the midfield as he was expected to yesterday.
Thanks Queen, if only my wife had your sense of humour I may still have my testicles!
spot on ikon.. i think ramsey-cesc should b our first choice.. coz diaby doesnt look like hell ever get a go
Raif the SkySportsNews bit sums up the problem, we will support Wenger no matter what!
Paulie let me give you my answer, supporting someone no matter what is frighteningly dangerous,
many world leaders in history had that support…until of course it all went wrong.
It takes a real leader to know when you’re wrong and change it, how many banks are in the shit because no one said, hey, this is bollocks this is.
This club will probably need to win the ECL to qualify next season, we’ll be taken over and the board will be gone.
Then Wenger will blame them in a heartbbeat, wake up before it’s too late Wenger, your team is shit, well Song and Eboue are with Denilson and Bendtner right behind then.
people say wenger makes all the team choices then PHW says this ….
Now the Frenchman’s Emirates future is hanging by a thread, with Hill-Wood revealing he will discuss Gallas’ situation with Wenger after Tuesday’s Champions League clash with Dynamo Kiev.
it proves that wenger has to clear selections make team choices in hand with the board …
im sure wenger would buy at least ‘now’ players if the club had cash reserves !
any other scenario is just madness to speak of !
Raif.. What I am saying is.. If I see a change and can see a reaction, I would give him time.
Another summer like the last one and he has got to go..
And I would like to see a press conference with Wenger and the board explaining the money situation and how building the Emirates has affected transfer monies..
Ethan I don’t buy that, last season every club in world football wanted Wenger, he wouldn’t have stayed at Arsenal is he was told he had no money.
It’s more like the other way around, he’s probably told them he doesn’t want it, so he can win the league with kids and look an even greater manager.
He so far up his own arse now it’s frightening, he thinks it’s his club.
I can see the conversation now Ethan…
PHW: Arsene, sir could I take some of your time please?
AW: Who in the blue hell are you?
PHW: Er.. i’m the superior, the boss Arsene, we sat next to each other at the shareholders meeting?
AW: No? I did not see you? Besides, I do not have a superior, some days I am not sure I even have an equal.
PHW: er…Arsene we really need to talk about Gallas.
AW: No.
End of discussion.
Ethan – I don’t believe PHW has any part in any decision making. The journos know he’ll put his foot in it so they love to interview him when theres a crisis – he’s guaranteed to make matters worse.
Ethan, AW would never have to ask the board about player selection, he means if AW tells the board he wants rid of him and is not prepared to pick him anymore.
Geoff, do you mean the 12 years, 2 doubles, 3 titles, 4 FA cups and 2 European finals?
dont u get the impression wenger just cant understand why the team isnt winning?
yet, even if we disagree on details, everyone else can see theres a number of problems with the team, in attack but especially in midfield and defence
maybe hes lost it?
Morning QOS – you have the same opinion of PHW?
raif – I know we can’t defend, that was my point. I guess your point is that we never learnt to defend in the first place, just relied on great attacking play and now that’s gone we can’t compete.
All I am saying is that we have to concentrate on defending with the whole team contributing ,and obviously using the limited pool of players we have until January.
Wenger loves mobile, (small?) ball playing midfielders – he has a great collection. When he sees a gap elsewhere in the team, he thinks he can just adapt one of them to a different role – WRONG!!!!!
With the noteable exception of Sol, what other ‘ready to play’ class CB has he ever bought?
avenell
yeah i know man i was just pointing out were shit. thats all
as for anything to do with Wenger and the board comming out to tell the fans/press anything, they wont.
wenger post macth interview said it all.
Wenger: “Let people talk. why should we make statments”
thank you mr wenger you just spat in my face!
Zorro I don’t need to listen to you this morning of all mornings, go blog on arsenal.com
yeh it seems he’s more interestied in proving his critics wrong rather than actually winning the trophey itself. It has backfired unfortunately so now we can only wait to see what his response is in january – then we can all judge him
I just hope he gets us to december in a good position. The current system and style just doesnt suit the players…rvp cant get in the game, we cross into a box constantly and have no players in there, cesc cant do his magic without a decent back up, mids cant play a decent through ball , we’re too slow really, we allow teams to get 1o behind the ball
Hi Peaches, I think PHW is a banker. He’s probably good at that. But the lack of a CEO, DD type figure is costing the club greatly and that’s something PHW could and should have done something abouyt before now!
davi – well said.
I made a point earlier about Arsene thinking he can turn any ordinary player into a fabulous player – I think he can’t understand why they arn’t doing it right.
Rasputin –
ofcourse ther answer is NONE a big fat ZERO
and we was REALLY REALLY LUCKy with SOL. and thats Bcos he was on a free. it makes me sick.
WENGER CANT BUY DEFFENDERS OR GOALKEEPERS TO SAVE HIS LIFE. FACT
Raif… I think SSN etc asking Wenger about Gallas was bad timing.
I would like to think when he replied to that he was as pissed off as us if not more.
He knows the press are sticking the knife in they hate Arsenal..
Never been on Arse.com! Just because I will give the man time does not make me an AKB! Be realistic, get rid now who takes over, Pat Rice, Steve Bould. We could have Mancini or Rijkaard, or ask Ajax if we can have MvB and DB10. How about Moaninho. It’s all very well thinking of getting rid of the best manager we have ever had, but only if we have a better solution available.
QOS – absolutely agree. The board should go on their bended knees to DD.
No DD has turned AW into an over-worked wreck. DD is not only his friend, hes a passionate gooner too.
The trouble is I think DD thought he’d be back at the helm long before now – and Arsene probably did too.
I can imagine AW thinking he could cope with everything but in reality he can’t.
Probably too girly that last bit!!!!
cant agree more raif… Wenger inherited possibly the best back 4, then purchased one decent defender (on a free) with sol… In 12 years he hasnt built a defense.. And he was lucky to have bergkamp pretty much the lynchpin of our attack from 98 to 2004.
It really aggrivates me when ppl use the 12 year 2 doubles 3 titles defense of wenger.. i respect the opinion but u have to look deeper than that.. A good team should back up title after titles.. Wenger never has had a season after season consistent side.
The thing to ask is why did he let go of gilberto and senderos without signing any replacement. Surely he didnt think denilson will never get injured.!!!!
If there is any monetary issue it is absolutely criminal to keep it away from the fans.
He says something like “we have the players, we dont need anyone” then we come to know that he tried to buy arshavin, barry and alonso.
My summer buying list:
Arshavin, Richards, Cana
raif – you’re not happy then
– I suggest you go for pet abuse and alcohol as per my earlier post!
avenell.
very true indeed. lets let him calm down and see what happens.
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mwt.
very right. as people start to believe that it was wengers back for of tony adams and so on. i was shocked to find alot of the younger fans think it was who wenger got bergkamp.
Wenger has been Lucky with most of the players he has found
but lads i have to dash so ill see you all later on today.
take it easy Govers.
Zorro he was good, but we’ve won fuck all for 4 seasons, we won’t make changes and he won’t spend money, because jhe was good looking once doesn’t mean he’ll be good looking for ever.
If he admitted he was wrong I could handle it, this is football, not Wengerball.
It’s not a defence of Wenger, it is just saying that he deserves some more time to get it right. We know the team only needs maybe 3 top quality, mid 20s experienced players and it could be the mutts nuts, but he has to find the right players or get them from within, but he cannot wait forever for the youngsters to come good. We have some pinning their hopes on a 16 year old and that is simply unnaceptable for our club.
I agree with Avenall I think, who said he has until this time next year to turn things around and show he now realises he has to spend the money in the next 2 transfer windows.
What we have to be careful with is. I think we are in a similar position to where Newcastle were with Bobby Robson. He was starting to make Newcastle a regular 5th placed team, but because he got them up there the fans thought that wasn’t good enough and outed him.
You know the rest..
geoff you are spot on with “if he admitted he was wrong I could handle it”. I too feel the same way. I dont think he should get away with his constant lies to the fans and his silly tedious excuses. Fans are not stupid despite what Wenger thinks, people can see through his constant bullshit, we pay his fucking obscene wages yet he treats us with contempt with the lies and spin he spews endlessly.
I don’t spend all this money to see an experiment, I spend it to see my team play great football, if he bought a couple of players at the start of the season, we could be in position A, he’s stubborness has fucked that up, it’s heartbreaking.
That’s why the players are arguing.
Avenall, we used to be a top 1 team, think about that, Paulie, spot on.
Rasp – morning, did I say the team needed to ‘re-learn’ how to defend? How astute of me
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I watched the game yesterday and have to say that Man city had a well-organised defence. I couldn’t imagine any of their mid-field panicking that if they allowed us beyond them their defence would let them down.
We, on the other hand, do not have that luxury in any of our players. Clichy has been the most reliable but the pressure is getting to him and he is making mistakes. He can’t be everywhere effectively, and thats a shame. Instead of his game improving hes losing confidence in his abilty.
Arsene, all the teams we have lost games to have had well-organised defences? Can’t you see that it would improve the confidence of the team if our defending was solid.
Brilliant post pedro.
oh no my smiley didn’t work
I’m not backing his current project and I am very worried he is developing a siege mentality where he won’t admit his mistakes, but he is an intelligent man and I hope he is smart enough to change his ways and spend some of our money in Jan and July.
He would never admit publicly that he is wrong, but he can by buying the players we need, ie. direct replacements for Lehman, Campbell, Flamini/Gilberto and Henry.
peachesgooner
i agree to an extent, but i actually believe most of the young players in the first team Can be great players… (altho perhaps ur right. people like bendtner may some have promise, but we should only be letting through the absolute best)
maybe them all coming through at once is a hinderance because they can feed eachothers egos i duno
its to do with mentality, wengers attitude is that wer a big club and therefore we only have mature players who can be trusted to motivate themselves – clearly wrong
i feel a bit sorry for gallas because i think hes tried to do wat should be mostly wengers job in advising and nurturing the young players, and ultimately its just got too much for him
January: buy cana from marseille with gallas goiing in opposite direction and bring senderos back, Flamini on loan maybe?
Geoff..
We all know that Wenger has won what he has at Arsenal with a tenth of the money that Ferguson and Chelsea’s managers have had.
If we spent what Chelsea have done on players and built a stadium too we would be one thousand million pounds in debt.
There wouldn’t be a Arsenal.
Some where in the middle, of that view and your view is the answer.
We are at a low at the moment but now hasn’t finished yet, and it’s only when we look back in 10 years or so’s time will we ever know if Arsenal are wrong or right in the decision they have made.
hmmm i bet guus hiddink would appreciate the challenge of managing arsenal right now…
OK GUYS;
We give Wenger until the summer to see whether he implements the drastic changes.
If not, what Managerial options do we start thinking about ?
Van Basten with DB10 & Keown for starters ?
Gallas for CM??
Make him apologise for going public but then stand next to him and say…BUT he was right you lot are soft. Start playing for your places or ship out.
it’ll be alright, judge the season in may when we’ve won something!
Double he needs the summer to buy then give him a cople of months more..
That would be my first choice of our next managment team!!
The problem i have with our youth policy is that they need to know that they will have to fight for their place.Not just walk straight into the first team.If we could buy a few world class players now the younger players might believe that they need more than pink boots to make it into the first team.
surely the notion of not wanting to stifle yong players by signing established ones is wrong.if a player is good enough, he should play, and it is up to him to show he is good enough (in training coming off the bench etc).
A CM must be signed- then let Denilson and the other young players force their way in.
I think we are also very light at RM, having seen Denilson, Diaby make appearances there. Walcott is not good enough yet to warrant a starting place-make him earn it. ALmunia has been given every chance and shown he is not a top 4 keeper.
watch the difference between Ramsey and Song coming off the bench, one is focused and driven, the other is Song.
I cant believe you lot think he will actually do something about this crisis!!
I m not having a crack at u blokes but seriously, this shit happened last year the year b4 that and this year! yet he has proved that he wont do shit! and after 3 years he still hasnt done shit to resolve it! so what the fuck can we do! Nothing but put up with because the people who can honestly enforce the change dont think there is a problem to rectify! So i think u mobe over there should fucking band together and storm that fucking place and ask for that cunt AW to justify his bullshit to the vulgar crowd and demand fucking action! im saying lets fucking start a mutiny! I dont care Anything! this is bullshit and just like u lot im tired of investing my money which isnt woth shit to ure Pound on a club who dont give a fuck!
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Peaches – are you taking the credit for my brilliant observations?
Please in preparation for the future of Arsenal after Arsene Wenger leaves, let’s analysis what happened after he left the other two clubs before Arsenal.
What happened to Monaco and Grampus Eight immediately Wenger left them, and have they achieved anything after he left. Did his presence or leaving have a negative effect on the future of those clubs.
1. Monaco – France (Arsene Wenger left them in 1994)
2. Grampus Eight – Japan (Arsene Wenger left them in 1996)
This consideration is very important because we have to make sure Arsenal has a club does not disintegrate before and after Arsene Wenger leaves, rather we need to make decisions that are in the interest of the club and not just in the interest of Arsene Wenge as a man.
A brilliant post Pedro. It manages to exude the pain that we are all feeling at the moment and for what it is worth there isn’t a word I disagree with.
A point I want to make is that I disagree with those who think that it is a forgone conclusion that Wenger will not strengthen the squad in January. This is the first time that he has been confronted with failure at Arsenal: his experiment is lying at his feet like a dirty puddle; nevertheless, I for one am still hoping that he can realise that there is a serious problem and take the necessary action to rectify it.
Geoff you are so ungrateful all that money you spend at club level entitles you to a free cup of tea at half time,wouldnt you rather keep that luxury than spend the money on players?
Geoff / Pedro, how about this topic for your next poll?
How much time should we give AW
1 No time limit
2 Until January
3 He should go now
I can’t bring myself to want him to go – its the old head versus heart thing. My head is telling me he won’t admit mistakes and make changes/buy players. My heart is telling me he has given us the most amazing football and produced the greatest era in our history.
Ras… I want a button for next December.. please
As I would have to press none of the above!!
Have you got snow up there today mate?
Also for the record…i do not support the appointment of Fabregas as the next Arsenal Captain for the following reasons:
1. He does not see Arsenal as his long term future, hence his decisions would not always be in the interest of Arsenal as a club.
2. He was appointed by the same spoilt team mates, hence its a case of birds of the same feather flocking together. Its almost like asking a troublesome class appoint someone from amongst their midst. off course they would appointment someone that is favourable to them and their behaviour.
3. I believe he’s too young and not mentally strong enough to captain a Club as big as Arsenal.
4. The club is repeating the same mistake of trying to pacify players that want to leave the club by rewarding those players for their disloyalty by allowing Fabregas to become the clubs captain (Henry did the same thing, was rewarded with the Captainship just to keep him quiet while he was around, yet he ended leaving and nothing positive was really achieved with him as the captain).
5. Gallas was correct by his opinion…even though people might not consider it to be a good PR move.
6. Fabregas and Van Persie are not as good as people think they are … and this goes to show how poor the quality of players at Arsenal are.
7. There is no leader in the current Arsenal team…hence there is really nobody in the current team who deserves to be the club captain.
I didnt get to watch MOTD yesterday. Does anyone have a link for bentdners pink boots?
I think Silvestre is the only player who gives it his all, and above anyone deserves the captaincy, even though he is shit!
Hi avenell, yep I woke up to a white blanket this morning – it looked fantastic. Unfortunately I’m at work so can’t enjoy it but I hope to be able to get the sledge out this year! How is it down your way?
I would disagree with some of that sysuser.
If he wasn’t commited to Arsenal long term why did he sign the longest contract I have ever seen at a football club.
here rob
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/sportvideos/article1939931.ece
We are only 3 or 4 players away from winning the PL and Cl that has always been my assumption and it still is.But we need bollocks,guts and glory and off course talent.Tevez doesnt seem to be staying for long at Manure and Wenger showed an interest in him.How about getting Ashley Young and Curtis Davies from villa two players we almost bought but because off penny pinching didnt get.Look at them now they are assured and competitive and they have all the bollocks in the world some off our own stars are missing.
No snow mate.. you won’t ever see a Cornish ski champion. 4 years now and the nearest the snow got was 30 miles up the road!!
sysuser – captain’s are appointed for a range of reasons. John Prescott was made deputy leady of the labour party to shut him up and I suspect that there was an element of that in Gallas’ appointment (but obviously it didn’t work!). Geoff suggested that giving Cesc the armband might change his attitude and make him want to stay. Apparently he was keen to be captain over the summer. I’d give him a go – what have we got to lose?
Coiple of points.
Firstly, when have the press done anything but put the knife into us.? Please, Please do not listen to the shite put out by the Man Utd owned Sky Sports. If they can deepen the rift between fans and the club, they will
Secondly, I read a post (Raif ? If not – sorry) saying that Theo wasn’t going to develop as a player. That p’ed me off, on a morning, when I am already very. p’ed off. The boy is 19 FFS !! And do you really know more about player potential than AW and Capello ?
This kid is going to be a brilliant player – he is def. not another Perry Groves (head down and run as fast as you can).
We have problems, and I think they run deeper than a quick fix in Jan. We face another ‘transition’ season.
Rob from Aus
Silvestre for captain!?
NO WAY!
What i dont understand is wenger has that policy for over 30′s where he only offers 1 year contracts but silvestre managed to get a 2 year deal and he is 31 what about gilberto, surely he deserved a 2 year deal!
Another thing, I read somewhere that RVP is on the verge of signing a new 60k per week deal but yet we couldnt offer flamini what he wanted.
I love wenger to bits and appreciate what he has done but his position has to be in question if he doesnt purchase players in january!
RE: CAPTAIN
I think we could choose a captain from 1 of 50 Gooners on here.
We’d all provide more passion than anyone left at the club & FOR NOTHING A WEEK !!
did you have a look at the pink boots rob?
Well Rob the Goon,
Your suggestion?
Im pointing out A player who actually has a fucking go, and not carrys on like a fucking Pork chop!, like the rest of the cunts!
So mate who’s your suggestion?
yea had a quick glimpse. cheers choy
wanted to know if there is a picture of bentdner wearing them
Paul, it’s a free pint! and yes.
Rasputin, I would give him until January, otherwise we’ll get to the summer, 2 or 3 key players will leave again, 1 will come in, 3 will step up and here we go again, oh and we won’t be in the ECL.
Committing to a long term contract is merely a business move nothing more nothing less…
its the same with Ronaldo of ManUtd.
Signing a new contract only makes sures that both party get the best possible amount of income whenever a transfer is done to another club for the player.
Its also an attempt by the club to try and make sure he doesn’t leave or get poached by another club.
However the truth is that length of contract is not an obstacle for any player to break his contract or try to engineer a move to another club…(Hleb was under contract but still decided to leave, Anelka had a contract but still wanted to leave, Flamini decided to leave even though he was offered another contract later on…)
Also please note that THE BOARD realises that Fabregas himself is obviously flirting with the idea of moving to Spain…hence the board had to officially ban Fabregas from mentioning about Barcelona.
So it is obvious that Fabregas has a longterm plan to leave Arsenal hence they board was forced into forcing him to stop talking about Barcelona.
Also do you realise that Fabregas meetings with other clubs (whether intentional or not) is actually something illegal and similar to what Ashley Cole did…
So when u add everything together you would realise that its not in the interest of the club to just gift fabregas the captain band…just to keep him quiet.
Its either a player is loyal to Arsenal or He’s not, it cannot be bought either by contract or captainship….sooner or later some would offer such a player an offer he can’t refuse.
i think most of you think that arsene has no one to answer too !
we shall see , but i can tell you these frumps that sit on the board
give a shit about profits … and have conditioned wenger into his methods !
gentle guidelines that have turned into a no spending policy !
these guys give a shit about spending money !
and if not one have you noticed , that’s what needs to occur to get in class players !
SPEND !
last i looked arsene isn’t in charge of finance !
and you cannot tell me he has a transfer budget each year !
and he always ends up in surplus !
and i know you dont buy it geoff , but i know money talks and bullshit walks !
i also know , no owner would be stupid enough to let any employee spend without a conscious !
if PHW can get involved over gallas’s future , 1stly it tells me he is more pro-active in decision making than we 1st thought !
and 2ndly that can easily extend to his influence in spending in the transfer market !
you all have too ask yourself does wenger get a transfer budget every year ??
does he use it ?
does the fucker even exist? or has he got an agreement with the board on these dealings ?
i have my own opinions on the matter …
and i know who runs the clubs spendings !
and it sure as shite aint wenger !
If anyone isn’t angry enough – ponder this………. apart from Gerrard, all the players withdrawn from the international squad that had games yesterday played….apart from theo who was injured in training for England, because AW was honourable – does that make him right or wrong?
Raddy SWP tore us apart all day,how comes we don’t get players that get that space and how comes Wenger was too stubborn to buy him, that’s my point.
haha
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/22112008/8/photo/nicklas-bendtner-wears-pink-boots-prior-kick.html
In response to Rob from Aus…
to be honest im not too sure.
i dont really want to jump on the fabregas bandwagon but he seems like the most sensible option.
i would say toure but his form has been shocking since he has come back from the ACN. And as well as that there was an incident between him and song against stoke where toure was giving song some order but song completely ignored him.
Can someone tell me why song is still in this team!?
My choice for captain….hmmmi’d say give it to alumina until the end of the season and make a decision in the summer.
about the boots:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rl-fHSAMdmM
We need a revolution in January….
Fair enough, but id like to Almunia gone! he is fucking shit and Fabianski is i feel quality! when mad Jens fucked up he got the arse and then transfered and yet Alcrapmunia fucks up 7times he still plays!????
Rob if Cappello had balls, none of those cowardly cunts should play for England again.
Get rid of Gallas and Song in Jan.
Bring in 3 experienced, talented players.
Finish the season on a high, make sure we atleast get 4th and continue the with 3 further transhers in the summer.
Fuck, im losing my patience. Its not rocket science is it????
cheers choy!
The arrogance amazes me…
this is exactly what gallas is talking about
I think Lehmann may have regained his place back last year, but slagging the manager and Almunia off was the wrong way to go about it.
Agreed, Gallas for Cana, Bendtner for Velosa and a can of diet coke for Song and don’t give them a penny more!
Song> why is he regarded so highly? i want to know? i say that piss weak attempt to cross the ball in the 1st half and he couldnt make a 10 yard pass all night, so someone, anyone tell me why he is honestly there? is it because he is a utility player? or has he got HIV?> or is he an orphan or adopted? i just want to know why he is able to don the red and white?
Geoff,
U would make the diet coke a hot one i hope?> Song isnt worth keeping the can cold!
big raddy
im not the guy who said walcott would never develop but i did say he should be out the side, or rather should have been out before he got injured
im sick of ppl seeing him thru rose-tinted specs
hes never going to be world class IMO, im sure hel be a good player but not world class, not at RM, not up front
at the moment tho, hes selfish in his play, doesnt track back and tries to dribble out of defence
it might be that he improves in time, in fact im sure he will, hes done Some good things already, but its doesnt mean hes exempt from criticism
if he wasnt english ppl would hate him most of all in this squad
my position on him is hes been undeservedly fast-tracked and the team has suffered as a result over the last 2 years. hes clearly not the only, or even the biggest problem with the team, but im sick of ppl ignoring it, all the while attacking ppl like bendtner and song who are wat 19 and 20/21?
if their in the 1st team they have to be ready to play. i dont blame walcott, i blame wenger for putting him there
wilshere is better than walcott already
I agree that Silvestre is really trying, unlike others. He just isnt that great and cant organise the back four on his own
I’d forgotten how much i loved Henry, cheers for that link finest!
To be honest I’d give them a case to get rid of the useless cunt.
Michael P (are you Micha;e pitsouridis abbreviated?) – do you think there is going to be another emergency meeting this sunday?
Good post, I agree with everything you said. I’ve never liked Bentner he has done nothing to prove why he is one of Wengers éxceptional players’. Its a farce and that fool only takes space on the pitch. He always gives the opposition the ball, IN EVERY GAME!!! Furthermore last year he was also horrible, remember Chapions League against Liverpool, he even stopped the ball from crossing the line, denying Arsenal’s goal!! Put anybody in his place and they would be better, even me!!!
sysuser, using your own criteria there isn’t a single player that will ever qualify for the captaincy as there isn’t a single player that is going to commit himself to any one club, let alone Arsenal, for the whole of his career and what’s more why should they?
As I am sure you are aware they aren’t fans like we are; they are doing a job no more no less.
The idea of giving the captaincy to Fabregas has partly been suggested in the hope that it will raise his game.
Have you got any pink boots RasDef?
Pedro, you post is spot on for me, well written and analysed.
Good Morning Geoff and all, I am very depressed this morning/ afternoon and reading everyone’s posts I am obviously not alone. As for the January window, I am worried from the feeds in the media/ AFC web that Arsene is not expressing any need for buying any player?? I despair; Geoff do you have any ”inside” information that we WILL actually buy 1/2 player/s? I recall that Wenger said a while back that this is the best bunch of kids he’s worked with so far….??????? I am astounded if that is true, and so far all they have produced is sh*t (my view). I am not looking forward to going to the home games anymore; spending what is a lot of money for me, on a season ticket, I feel I am NOT getting value for money. Last year at least we produced moments of sheer entertainment, contrary to this year so far very little to smile about (mind you Man U game was very entertaining) and to top it all I received a text from a Spud supporter/ work colleague last night ”’ your’e going down with West Brom, you’re going down with West Brom”’ – just what I needed…… my personal choice for January buy would be ; Veloso, Alonso, Barry, Micah Richards but I am sure that will remain as a wish.
Bendtners only reason to wear them ridiculous boots was money, it was is only motivation…whcih sums up what gallas said. Young players want to know what watch he wears, what car he drives. They get made a lot of money that is not perfromance based.
From Arsene Wengers post match interview I felt really embarrassed. He dis-respected man City and Hughes, saying that city were flattered by the score line. What game was he watching…clearly shows to me he does not see the game in the right perspective, rose tinted glasses…I do not want him sacked but am losing the faith game by game.
Why can most grovers see that a line up of ramsey, diaby Nasri would have given something for city to worry about..but he insists instead he playing that waste of space song…and leaving creative players on the bench!
davi how can you say walcott is selfish… when before the england hatrick everyone was saying he should me MORE selish!
I think he will grow as a player the boy is still a teenager.
I strongly feel that if players like bendtner, eboue and song were english…they would of been sold a long time ago
Rasputin….thats definately not my name abbreviated.
Yeah, meeting is on, you’re the only one invited.
Great post – totally agree with every word… someone’s got to go talk to Wenger and ask him to sort it out.
He’s got to spend on 1 or 2 players with a proven record in Europe in January and most of all he’s got to start playing Ramsey, Wilshere and Merida on a regular basis. Not saying he should play them all at the same time but at least let them challenge and prove themselves in the prem. Our game will gain from it and first team regulars will have to start looking over their shoulders (won’t do them any harm).
Then serious clean up is needed: Bendtner has to go. Let Vela and Eduardo fight for a place up front with RVP and Ade. Gallas and Song have to go too…
skandibird – I agree with you. I have 2 season tickets and am wondering do I go or not. I will always support the arsenal and will accept that we will lose games, but is the manner taht we lose that I don’t want to put myself through, no passion etc and teh sides he puts out when he has better talent available.
Afternoon All, Great post Pedro….
I still say – go get Appiah for a free and stick him alongside Cesc
Yes I know he has been a crock, but at the moment he is training and fit, he would give us more than Diaby, Denilson, Song in the middle.
AW took the same kind of chance on Bischoff because he was free, why not get him. We are shit in the midfield, and Appiah could just give us something more solid until january at least, and he can be be we us now.
Dont all shout, i am talking of a short term ‘fix’ not long term, january is vital for us to get the right players in
I have been an advocate of Ramsey for some time simply because he seems to be fearless and have some balls despite his age, and because he is a bright prospect in a sea of mediocrity. I think he added some energy and offensive bite when he came on yesterday. It can destroy a young player’s confidence if they are used as a late sub to retrieve a losing situation. Far better to play him from the start and take him off if he looks tired.
Afternoon all,
Shocking performance yesterday & with only one booking (correct me if i’m wrong) that shows a lack of both fight & basic closing down away from home! Not like the fond old days when we used to go down to ten men & still win! I’m not saying we should adopt Neville’esque tactics however a niggle or two on Robinho may have helped our cause.
Wheres Gilles Grimandi when you need him???
Michael P – you have been mistaken for someone else – hence the question about a meeting. Its old news
Wolski, the other reason that Bentner wore those boots is that he has an ego the size of Texas which normally is what you want from your forwards but he doesn’t have the talent to back it up.
Rico, that sticks me as an excellent idea
If there’s anyone in the world I’d love to see at the back commanding everything, it’s Per Mertesacker. Chiellini could do a good job also. Yaya or Alonso is who i’d like with Cesc. My preferred team at teh moment would be:
Fabianski
Sagna-Djourou-Toure-Clichy
Diaby-Cesc-Ramsey-Nasri
RvP
Ade
Sell Gallas to a French team in /Jan.
Get good money for him.
Get the money tranfered to Le Groves bank account.
We have a vote on who we should sign with that money.
Le grove takes over all player transfer in and out, full time, as of summer 09
Patrick7 … If you are out there I would like your views on starting Ramsey for 2 games in less than 4 days?
Skandibird one of Grovers know a major shareholder at Arsenal and he says 3 world class players are coming in, him and Dennis have a bet on it!
Ramsey should have started yesterday.
Tell Song to pack his backs…and if he continues this way, Nikki B too.
Cesc for captain – is there any oter choice??? It could, i feel, be the boost he requires.
Play Diaby centrally Arsene…how many time do you need to experiment with this? FFS, even Eboue is more suited to a wide role than Abou!!!
Im out people, just came on to vent (some) anger, have as good a sunday as possible after yesterdays debacle. It’s been two weeks since i have watched Motd….i used to love chillin on a sat night watching the Gunners…definately not lately!!!
Lets hope Wenger wakes up out of this dream he is in where he breeds a world beating team of under 20 year olds…and sorts this mess out…..not holding my breath..chelsea the weekend…lets hope for a repeat manu performance. I’m gone….dinner is calling
Have you guys seen the petition to Sack Wenger?
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/goonerforum/index.html
I want him to employ another assistant manager to help him, Rice is just a yes man!!
Does anyone know Huntelaars position at Ajax, I thought he was allowed to leave in the summer but nothing materialised? I’ve heard (rumour via a work colleague who is a regular in the Directors box) that a signing in Jan is going to be Dutch!!!
All pat rice seems to do is yell and ass kiss wenger…and that looks like elton john’s merkin stuck on his head as a hair cut.
Leave Pat alone – he’s a lovely bloke
– seriously, he does all he can but he knows Wenger won’t take advice from him. Sorry to be boringly repetative, but David Dein was the on;y person who could influence AW and also take away a huge part of his workload.
Pat Rice has been a loyal servant of Arsenal football club..
He is a legend please don’t slag him off.
Critise by all means but don’t get personal please!
Being a hopeless optimist when I’m not a suicidal pessimist, I am beginning to believe in the january theory – let’s hope its not like the words to the song (name the band anyone under thirty)
January, sick and tired, you’ve been hanging on me
You make me sad with your eyes
You’re telling me lies
Don’t go, don’t go
I think the major problem with this team is the midfield cos lets face it the defence has always been useless, but atleast we had a stronger midfield to protect them. But now there so exposed its basically everyone come along and try your luck! The scariest part of it all is that even when we lost or drew last season, we were outplaying teams all the time, this season were loosing and getting outplayed! we look a very average team who dont deserve the grace the top four. Yes Gallas has issues, but with a board and manager who constanly lie about everything – “a director of football will be signed by so and so” and “Pires and gilberto, fuck off your over 30, oh silvestre lets forget the age thing jus this once, ur cheap so i dont have to bother looking for anyone decent”. Ok i made the last quote up but you get the point (cos thats pretty much what happened!) u cant help but think that Gallas was pissed off with it all and thought someone shud tell the fans whats happening cos no one else at the club seems bothered! He was upset that he was trying to do a captains job and getting insulted for it! Gallas has made mistakes but he is passionate and wenger shuda put his stubboness aside and shoved him in the team! Instead we get given another makeshift defence that hasnt played before. Its not G Hoyte and dejorous fault that there thrown in at the deep end when it suits the manager, and given a game against man city to try prove there worth! For once i agree with Gallas and hope he doesnt get treated to harshly cos god knows we need him otherwise january cant come quick enough! Also This totally inexcusable midfield that wenger keeps picking? The first time i saw denilson in the middle and diaby out wide in a big game was against liverpool a few years ago and we got thrashed 4-1. I didnt work then and it doesnt work now! But wenger constantly plays it like this, whenever any of the mainfielders are injured! Its truly baffling why u wud keep trying something that u know doesnt work! I have to admit that atleast eboue tried when he was given starts despite the fact hes useless! Denilson in midfield is a major concern because he doesnt offer anything, he doesnt score much and he doesnt protect the defence enough, he seems to wander around the middle getting outpaced by teams taking arsenal on the break! Unfortunately denilson will never be the solution and i think that fabregas game is suffering due to wenger insistence on playing denilson! I was actually hoping walcotts injury was a blessing in disguise, so that we cud play vela on the wing like he had for a whole season at osasuna but oh no, that wud make to much sense to you and me! Ramsey is clearly better than denilson and wiltshire and vela are the best attacking threat we have! Wiltshire might of offered something yesterday because he has creative flair but we had no one to do that yesterday! Atleast if wenger had tried the ‘youngsters’ out yesterday and we lost we could say well atleast u tried something different wenger but instead it was another wasted opportunity of watching the same crap get humiliated! At least try out the others – while we get thrashed! As for bendtner….please go back to birmingham! He’d struggle to make the bolton team! Simpson and Vela must be really scratching there heads, talk about insulting them over and over again having to watch his useless arse each week. Im surprised Vela isnt thinking bout going back to spain! Finally clichy needs to be dropped, hes become more and more eratic, i mean what was he thinking almost chopping silvestre in two in and attempt to clear the ball only for it to trickle on to Stephen Irelands path. A rest might do clichy some good and give gibbs and opportunity to show everyone how good he is! Our midfield and forward line should read:
Toure
Wiltshire Ramsey Fabregas Nasri
Vela Adebayor
It would offer something different! I guess leaving song and denilson, diaby and betdner is stupid though! Lets hope the Man City game was the final straw and Wenger starts geeting nasty (wishful thinking!)
Emergency metting for the board and wenger today anyone?
regarding the dutch player we are apparently going to sign, werent we linked with affellay a little time back. he would be an adequate replacement for rosicky if he does not return.
not that i would mind huntelaar. he could be the world class forward we lack since henry left. not sure whether he could cope with the pace of the premiership but then nistlrooy was never the fastest.
Whens that out in paperback?..
Ras.. I know.. I know…..
Rohan -I’d swap a quick brain and good first touch for pace alone. I reckon Huntelaar could be good for us, he has a wicked shot and thirst for goals.
Rasp – Pilot, if im not mistaken
Hope Song meets a Pilot in January on a one way Emirates Flight, OUT of London
Rohan,
Pace would be a worry however at least he understands the offside rule!
Thought Wrighty’s post on spuds site was funny last night
Rico you fibber..
ave – fibber, me, about what my dear ?
Under 30 cough… cough…… :8
BENTNER IS SHIT .
Hello everyone!
Well…what can I say. I told You so. I think 30 milion pounds in january won’t be enough. Maybe when we sell a few players and buy qualiy ,we will come good.
Almunia, Silvestre, Song, Bendtner, Denilson, Diaby,Adebayor are not good enough. Aside from that, our former captain is sullking, our best player will be off to Barca and our board don’t care. Aha, there is also uncle Wenger and his experiment, thanks to which we are in deep trouble. THANK YOU ARSENE FOR THE SUB-STANDARD PLAYERS AND FOR THE UEFA CUP FOOTBAL. Arsenal vs Dinamo Minsk? Hm, that looks great. THANK YOU ARSENE AND OUR BOARD!
apparently they call huntelaar the king of bicycle kicks in holland.
we could do with some of that. just pair him with vela’s chips and we have the best entertainmment one could wish for
That is my contribution for the day . Song Almunia , Bentner . these guys are no way good enough for are club.
We are now suffering for the failure to bring in quality players , we have gone so far backwards fro the 2004 team it s a joke .
I can naot be bothered to keep writing the same thing as its so fucking obvious .
so a bike ride , a pint , some roas beef and a nice merlot
Have a good day all
Hunerlaar…I hope he can “Rayleigh” the troops by being our “Muddy Fox” in the box.
I bet he costs more than a “Penny Farthing” though…
Hi Jules, good to see you yesterday mate!
Well said & good idea!!
Bendtner is not good enough for Arsenal and neither is v Persie. Even Ade sucks. We need a complete overhaul and I totally agree with bringing in the Carling kids. At least they play with passion and penetration. It looks clear that Cesc must be dreaming of greener pastures and we can’t build our team on shifting sand. Chelski must be licking their lips and our only hope is a miracle resserection from the dead or else they will gut us good. We need to rebuild quick and take some risks so we are not so predictable. Like the barracuda which is a dangerous fast swimming fish we have been looking like a flounder.
Emergency meeting is a must because there are a lot of contenders this year and we have been so good in the past. Hopefully January will bring in the changes to sharpen us up and make us dangerous again.
hi tj
good to see you guys too .
Bentner in pink boots , what a fucking cock !!
Off out mate , have a good trip mate .
Geoff, thanks, somehow that has made me feel a lot better (mind you, we have been told before of ‘world class players coming in that haven’t materialised), the other concern then is how soon will they ‘settle in’ in the PL, if they’re not already ‘ready made’ via the League, and if they are, who could they be………………………… I am now getting over exited in my fantasy land of wishes ………… so, I shall hold my breath, keep supporting the team ( as I always will and have since 1971 (I was a young girl then)) and wait until January for these exiting 3 world class players. And as a foot note; I CAN’T WAIT FOR EDUARDO – simply love the guy; he would not have missed a simple tap in against Aston Villa in the 1st half when Walcott shot a pass acrross the 6 yard box. Come on!!!!
ave – under 30, you have lost me, am i being thick
??
Ras said answer the question if you are under 30 re 1:17..
I know you went to school with a tartan scarf in”73″
Rico… Did you like my bicycle jokes? I thought of them myself!!
Great post
Got properly lashed up last night with a fellow gooner and after a shed load of booze came up with the following conclusions.
A lot of our first team are shit. Bendtner, Song Denilson. None of them would get in the chelsea or man u team why are they playing for us,
We believe the problems at the club start in the board room. Since David Dein left Arsene has struggled to keep hold of players. Flamini a prime example and we have struggled to attract new players these were not problems when DD was handling transfers.
Bring back DD
yeh i dont know wats happend to van persie
he was awesome until this year, now hes gone down a couple of notches
i was convinced he was gonna reach bergkamp’s sort of level but i think the injuries have finished him
we might as well sell him and get someone else in
saying that his goals record isnt shit this year
In the spirit of irony, I’ve had a little bet on a horse at Aintree (2:15) called Premier Dane. My hope is that it gives me a result but I expect it to not compete, look pretty forlorne and end up on its arse. At least it won’t have pink hooves. I’ll let you all know how we go…
ave – i am so sorry, i missed the ‘under 30′ bit, sadly you are right, i did have a tartan scarf and trousers.. i even had a funny hat with a pom-pom
whats a penny farthing though, is that from a tin of Quality Street ……………
Very funny joke,
I’m off Pedro said he’d be back at 2. Enjoy your depression.
Davi – I actually think van Persie isn’t conducive to our style. He’s too individualistic and slows down the play whil he figures out how to get teh ball onto his left peg.
If you remember, one of our best performances last year was against Derby at home (5-0) and we rested RVP and played Ade and Eddie, which was the forward line that looked so successful for most of teh season….
So, while I love’s RVP’s ability, we’re not seeing enough of his skill and element of surprise that would make up for his lack of team play. I wouldn#t be too upset if he left and we got someproven calss in (David Villa).
David Dein was in charge of transfers until April 2007..
He was the one who let Flamini let his contract run down to a year..
And what big names did he attract from 2004-07?
Wouldnt it be funny if they sacked Wenger & appointed a new bloke
& it turned out that he thought Song, Denilson & Diaby were good players too
rico – you’re young at heart even though you sang shang a lang
Stevo, that isn’t funny.
Ras “The Bluebells”
Good point magit, Ade n Eddie were beginning to develop an understanding. I think RVP is a luxury player who would do well if the rest of the team are performing, but in these hard times I’m not sure he is enough of a team player.
So the question that Pedro posed is the right one . . . will Wenger go back to his old ways? Will he put aside project child to get the Gunners back on track?
Avenell, you have supported the Gunners for a long time, so my question to you is have you seen Arsene in his tenure make a dramatic change in his coaching policies?
To everyone, do you think that he will start doing it the “old way?” I had a ray of hope when he dropped Gallas and took the armband away from him. Granted, it was a small ray of hope.
hi
Ras, RVP looked for every call to go his way, kept on flopping on the pitch, and throwing his hands up. I am not sure if he thinks that he is “Henry-esque” or what, but it was old after the first 10 minutes.
Now on the other hand, he has one skill set that we sorely miss . . . pace on crosses and free kicks. Now don’t get me wrong, we don’t need to keep him for just that skill alone, but the reality is that we need more options on that front.
Right now our field game is truly lacking. The great teams find a way to get it done even when all pistons aren’t firing at the same time. Maybe it’s a goal from a corner/free kick/etc. Other teams still fear Man U. because they have options. We simply don’t have many options right now.
Nikky B.? RVP? Ade? These aren’t the kinds of players that strike fear into the hearts of defenders and goalies . . . it is sad to say it, but it is true.
Wenger out.
Kidding
I agree maryland, but look at Heskey, as a striker he doesn’t score enough goals (I’m not comparing him to RVP) but he works well with traditional strikers and they love playing with him. If we are lucky and Eddie continues where he left off, I would look to playing him with Ade as our best combination with Vela either wide midfield or on the bench. But it’ll be a miracle if he comes back and starts scoring right away.
Maryland.. I think he has just gone too far with the kids thing (and in some ways it has been too succesful). He will never make dramatic changes, but I think he will go back the other way a bit now.
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Hi guys I am sorry. I was just trying out some smileys
Ras, I agree with your thoughts about Heskey. Even on the England squad, he does something very special . . . he is so big and strong, and can hold the ball up, that it causes defenses all kinds of problems, so they end up having to double team him, which opens other strike options.
Dudu is a finisher, and would work nicely with Ade. Ade has been off form because he doesn’t have a supporting striker, which he had last year. Lest everyone forgot, but RvP was out for most of the season, and Eduardo played the supporting role.
Eduardo doesn’t need to start his first game back with goals, but if he can support Ade to score . . . that is what we are looking for.
We have enough midfielders to sort some of these issues out. It will come down to who is pared with who. If Song continues to get the start, I am afraid that we are in for more doom and gloom.
I was thinking to myself while I was typing about Arsene and who weighs in on situations, injuries, etc. Pat Rice. I can’t imagine that Pat is just sitting on the bench, and saying to Arsene, “this team looks great.” “It’s just a flattering score line to a game that we should have won.” Probably not. Pat has to be making some comments, no matter how senior Arsene is.
Supr, no worries
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I have much more to say, and want to hear more from the rest of the Grovers, but I am off to church. Times are tough. But, this club is bigger than Arsene, so don’t forget that. If it were all milk and honey . . . well, it would be easy to support Arsenal.
Supporters do have a say. We must continue to support Arsenal, but we need to be vocal in our discontent of the way things are. Things can change . . . things will change.
Cheers.
Your off to church! The game was yesterday.
Rasp & ave – I did and i loved BCR – in their day, and the Osmonds… Oh those teeth
Appiah, CEO in now for me
Jan – I’m hoping MP is right, in the meantime, things can only get better – SURELY ??
And I would now throw Simpson in to the mix – we need a good old fasioned striker, time to give him a go !!
maqitlarge
i must respectfully disagree
van persie’s link up play is usually excellent and he gets pissd off when players arent passing, and its not just a selfish ego thing. he just knows how to play
im thinking partly of holland in 2006, when he was playing support right striker/winger and he linked up superbly, didnt over-play at all, in fact spoke out against robben for not passing.
hes not too individualistic IMO, or he wasnt last year when he played, before the big injury, he used to be just right, like bergkamp
this year, he just seems to have lost something, his movement isnt as good, he cant beat a man so easily, and his shooting is completely off
i think he was better when wenger played him as the main striker, with ade doing the donkey work. he was getting over a goal in 2 when we played that.
dont think thatl happen again; im afraid he might be finished as a world class potential
I think the manager needs time to turn things around…
However…If WENGER EVER PLAYS SONG AND DENILSON TOGETHER IN MIDFIELD AGAIN….HE SHOULD BE SACKED AND SHUT THE DOOR BEHIND HIS SENILE OLD BASTARD FRENCH ARSE!
adebayor should only play a supporting role, hes a work horse
last year he Had to be the main striker when rvp was out
its obvious hes not great at it, hes not a great finisher and he cant time his runs well
He should be supplying dudu, rvp or vela. well, maybe, duno if i want him anymore
Cana, and/or gattuso….hard nosed worker in midfield…
Arsenal could do with a few English players IMO
Its sad that wenger shows more patience with the foreign players than with the English ones.
how do u figure that?
hes shown more patience with walcott than anyone.
who else has there been? bentley isnt good enough, pennant might have been but his main skill is his crossing which doesnt suit us, plus hes a nob. anyway he wouldnt have been a major player
nationality doesnt mean anything, we just need players who are driven to succeed and know how to play for the team
its all just nationalistic nonsense from the tv and papers
Are you shouting David ?
Oooohhhhhh at last Pedro you finally see that complete load of rubbish that is Bendtner. Not so long ago you and Geoff were saying how much you liked him, he is only young, he will improve and a couple of games ago you gave him a 7 or 7.5 for playing like a complete w….r. How you see that Song has no talent and yet a few games ago was praising this poor excuse for a footballer that is Bendtner I do not know. This isn’t a rant at you but those of us that appreciate real raw talent knew we could never compete with the big clubs when we rely on people like Ade and Bendtner … no chance …… and like some of us (ethangunner to name but one) have been saying for some time they should have been offloaded and proper talent brought in. Now you are truly seeing the rubbish we’ve got it’s great. I think my anger at playerse like Bendtner is that Wenger has given themso much time and placed all his faith and credibility in them that it sickens me that when given the chance to star on the big stages they bottle it, and like you rightly say, are more concerned with appearance and looking cool than actually playing for our great Arsenal. F……g pissed off with them and some of these players should never play for us again …like you say Pedro bring on the reserves.
davi u watch us against villa and u think song over sidwell? Upson? Bentley? I think he is just obssessed with his belief that foreign players are technically better. I was just watching Tottenham v Blackburn and overlooking Woody in the Jan window especially with Toure at the nations cup was stupid. We complain that our players dont play with passion commitment etc what do u expect when u have a bunch of players that dont know what it means to wear the Arsenal shirt. Woodgate and Gallas in defence any1????
The myth that English players are the only solution is bollocks. I must be the only one who thinks Barry wouldn’t be a particularly great signing.
I think Wenger just cannot understand why his team are playing so poorly, he must see things in training that we do not, but if those players don’t have the bottle to play when it matters, then why should they be rewarded by playing in the team?
I am all for giving Wenger time, I don’t want him to leave at all, but his persistence with these dodgy team selections is baffling me.
Franchise, i never want Woodgate to play for Arsenal, he is a racist bitch, if he ever came to arsenal, i would stop watching football for good. Him & Bowyer don’t deserve to play IMO.
Tottenham play attacking football and their team has quite a few English players in it. Todays game had Jenas, Huddlestone, Woody, Bent, Lennon, Bentley, King. To be fair they played very well.
Aston Villa have Davies, Barry, Sidwell, Agbolanhor, Knight, A.Young, Milner, L.Young and a few other English men. They dont play too badly too.
Our team lack character and I think that having a few English lads in the side would help give us that identity we lack.
mark – I am not a Nik fan, but right now it is hard to make a proper judgement on any of our players. Times are really tough, and confidence is low. Now the Gallas stuff has come out and we are even more at sea. Add to that, look at how many first team players were out yesterday. I am not making excuses, but many teams would struggle with the same amount of players out, as we had.
Its not just Nik up front who has been dissapointing, RvP is not on fire and Ade has not shown last seasons form yet.
But I do think its time for a bit of a mix up, if I were AW, I would give Ade and Simpson a go on Tuesday, Simpson may not be the perfect forward, but he knows where the goal is, also, he isnt afraid to shoot. And I would do the same against Chelsea.
I really wish AW would stop playing Song, he is just Crap
Tuesday
Fabianski
Eboue JD Silvestre Clichy
Nasri Cesc Diaby Ramsey
Ade Simpson
The English players Wenger has bought have been. shite, and the ones he has developed are either too greedy or in Bentleys case thought he was better than Pires or Ljungberg when he was 20.
Don’t forget we had 7 British players in the cc team the other night, so we will have loads soon anyway.
Guys – got to go, dinner to cook, and stuff to do,
be nice to eachother and catch you all soon
Ooooo – hello ave, spot on me old mucker, jeffers, r wright, bentley = mr arrogant, pennant = im going to nick a spuds car and smash it up when i am drunk, oo and disqualified,
The real talented english are on their way up through the youth – 3 seasons, just 3 seasons…
Get Appiah
Its not about being an English player IMO. A player from any country can bring the ruckus with the ability. I do not subscribe to this whole “we need English players” crap. I just want good players, i don’t care if they are English or from Kuwait lol.
We do need players with more fight though, they don’t have to be English though. Suppose we splash the cash on the english players you earmark, and they come to arsenal and play shit lol. I can see that happening.
Project youth IS going to work, we can see that in the CC team AND the academy, its just the first team being a bunch of pussies right now.
SDF no one said that signing English players was the only solution. We have been playing poorly at home and away. Fine. Have u noticed that only Walcott has had the initiative to thank the fans after games we have lost? He took a lap of shame when we lost to Stoke and the same when we lost at home to Villa. The other players just sulked off the pitch. All our other title winning sides had a healthy mix of English and foreign players. In case u are wondering I am not English not even European so its not a biased assessment
Franchise Not one of the English players listed above have ever finished in the top 4. In fact a few of them have got there clubs relegated or very nearly.
thats true, but i duno, ive seen song play so much better at the start of the year. duno wats happend to him, but ive always liked him as CB
i also saw diarra piss all over barry last year, i mean really took the piss so theres better players about
the real reason those players left is cos they werent patient, wenger even wanted bentley. i dont think bentley knew wat it meant to play for us. hes shown he has no loyalty to the club that made him, with those comments when joing spurs. upson at the time was a good squad player but wanted to play more regularly, so i dont think you can blame wenger or upson there. and wenger always liked sidwell from his comments but i think he just wanted to move on too
im personally not sure about sidwell being good enough but upson would be a good squad player now, i mean, in an ideal situation he should be, but of course hed be our best defender if in our team now
Franchise, I’m glad it’s an honest assessment from your point of view. The problem is people start to sound almost xenophobic in regards to English players in the Arsenal team. Besides, we have some of the best English players coming through the ranks anyway. There are some English players who have mental attributes the team could do with, but lets face it, not all of them are as good, or has as much heart as the biased media say they do.
We just need good players IMO, with passion, but they don’t have to be English IMO.
And especially not Woodgate lol.
I agree with Avenell about Arsene’s english buys, but with how inflated the price of English players are, I’m not surprised, he had to spend 10 million on jeffers lol
comment of the day
avenell 1.20 “When’s that out in paperback”
I watched spuds v blackburn and they were both shit. villa and city are mediocre. I’ve seen manu this year a bit and they’re not that clever. the overall standard in the league this year isn’t brilliant. It just shows how bad we are and giving people like hughes and o’neill so much credit is basically a cover up. Now people are sugesting teams that we should play and including eboue that’s how low we’ve gone. Personally I’d play the whole cc team and go down fighting.
SDF Man Utd have a fair amount of English players. Ferguson still has surrounded United with ambassadors ppl like Bobby Charlton. At several points last season Ferguson gathered the team together and they had discussions with their ambassadors and sometimes watched videos about their recent history busby babes, European cups etc. The reason why he does this is cos the team is getting very more continental and he reckons that they need to know about the club’s history to understand what it means to play for the club. He doesnt rely alone on signing the best players. He knows the ingredients needed to be successful
Davi.. Upson was just getting a run of games at Arsenal as first choice and he broke his leg..
When it was fixed we had Toure and Campball to get past.
So Wenger loaned him out and he liked it, so he left..
The game against wigan still isn’t sold out. The board should atart worrying really.
goonermichael
disagree about eboue comment but i totally agree bout the cc team
id love to see that
at least thered be some damn energy in the side and they cant be any worse than the current side
If our players understood our history against tottenham then they would have been more concerned about winning the game we drew rather than having fights. Bent has come out saying that they could sense we were having issues in that game and they tried to take advantage of it
How much have those English players cost Man U?
Not the ones that came through the ranks..
And if you include Beckham, Nevilles, Giggs, Scholes. That is what we are doing at Arsenal now with our youth policy..
What I meant about Eboue was that a few months ago on this site lot’s of us (me included) were slating Eboue now we (me included) are starting to miss him.
True, but I don’t think it’s essential, although thats just my point of view really. I think that English players nowadays aren’t the same as how they used to be. I think thats why I support the youth team so much. Because there will be an English backbone again, soon enough, and players with spirit, and fight, that were raised as Gooners. United do have quite a few english players that have intergrated well into their team, but they are Man United, the foremost english team, bar Liverpool. I just don’t see any outside English player showing that same pride for Arsenal. I guess that’s just me.
Or more to do with the fact that so far, every English player that people have been saying we should buy, I don’t think are good enough to play for Arsenal. A fair point would be that they would probably play better than some of the players that have been playing for us recently.
English or not, if they are good enough, and have the right determination, they are welcome at Arsenal
Avenell if only A.Villa’s players were the ones available in the transfer window in January i would be able to sign 3 english players from them that would improve us by 100%. Response to your 3.50pm post
Arsenal have been taking advantage of the issues at Spuds for 9 years.
They are just another team to Arsenal our rivals are Chelsea and Man U and the elite of Europe.
To the Spuds we are there cup final there biggest game of the season…
The England team has an English backbone that’s why we always win the world cup and Euro championship.
if song can play for arsenal then who isnt SDF
Where do you think the players out on loan come in AW’s ranking – above or below the CC side. What about Traore and Barazite – wouldn’t they offer us some alternatives in this time of need (not to mention Senderos!)
Also, I don’t believe the policy of just signing who are seen to be the best players in the world, but the best players “For The Team”.
And that is harder than just looking at the best players in the world, this isn’t championship manager, not every 20million pound signing is going to play well. I am excited by those signings, but also wary, as half the time, they backfire. The only one recently that comes to mind as working, is Torres, and I didn’t see it coming, even though hes good.
I’d rather we raided Ajax, Barcelona and Valencia for 3 players..
fair point Franchise, but I still wouldn’t sign Barry to replace Song lol.
apologies michael i missed that
Reminds me of the old Tommy Cooper joke….
The other day, I went up into my loft and I found a Rembrandt and a Stradavarius. Only problem is Stradavarius couldn’t paint and Rembrandt was a lousy fiddle player….
It could be like that with players when put in a different team – lets wait and see how effective Hleb is at Barca!
GM theres no point being sarcastic about this. The truth is that our team have no identity, personality on the pitch No fight nothing. Is it a coincedence that players like Carragher, Gerrard, Terry, Lampard, Rooney are all key men in their teams. 3-0 down against Milan Gerrad refused to give up the rest is history.
and apologies about the upson thing, i didnt follow the club so closely at the time, it just seemd like he slumped and left
btw, like the eboue thing, are people seriously missing senderos now??
cos hes not that bad to be fair,once he gets a run.
last year he was great until the liverpool game and then his confidence just plummetted
i dont want him back here but i respect his ability and think hed be a great defender in italy or spain
he was one who cared about playing for arsenal too
Guys,has anyone at arsenal actually said that gallas has been stripped of the captaincy altogether.
Even our best player Fabregas has played several times this season like he was uninterested Its worying. Raw Passion on the pitch is contagious. We need a few players in our team that can show this passion. No one could rally the team ystdy after going 2 goals down. They were all just there like dejected figures.
Being English (as I am and extremely proud) Doesn’t make you a better or more determined player. If we swapped Lampard for Fab Who would play the better football? Cesc would run that team, Lampard would be shit with our players.
Kelsey… I think Hill Wood has said something unofficial… see rookie 10:10am..
franchise,
but vieira used to do that for us…
and flamini last year was like that
did u notice how he reacted when we conceded, like a captain should; tried to get everyone together and make up for the mistake
i personally believe the liverpool win against milan was more to do with the tactical switch, bringing on hamann
it seems universal knowledge that gerrard was the catalyst for that comeback, but i watchd the game and didnt really think So much of him, good header tho. they all played pretty well, caragher was amazing to be fair. but they were very lucky to win that game
I see where you are coming from Franchise, I have been thinking the same too.
My only thing I disagree with is the whole notion that English players = passion lol.
That isn’t always the case.
avenell
i heard what phw said,he said nothing.he said whatever wenger wants to do with anything to do with the players or club matters is down to him.
that’s why i asked
The only good thing about signing Gerrard and Rooney is the penalties they always get, when the cheating bastards dive..
One of the best chav players is carvalho but captain fucking courageous cunt gets all the pundits because he is English (embarrasingly)
Davi lucky u think? the same way Milan were lucky to go 3 up thats the same luck that Pool used to equalise. Also Vieira came into the team at a time when he we had an english back bone. imagine all he would have learnt in those early years
Kelsey.. That’s all I have heard and the comment by Dixon!
Franchise
The players you listed are all (apart from Carragher) 1st team internationals. Of course they are key men. They are seen to be the best in the country. If you list 5 equvelant Dutch, Italian or Germans they would all be key men for thier clubs.
So GM are u saying that we dont show passion and commitment because our team is inexperienced? i dont agree
I find this talk of ‘passion’ nonsensical. I think passionate England have won just one major international/European trophy, and that was over 40 years ago.
If you look at the league tables as of now,we are exactly as far away from the top as we are from the bottom,which isn’t a joke.
I think(unless there is a board change) we have this and next season under wenger regardless where we finish.He wants to prove a point that these youngsters,or the majority of them will develop into a great team without too many additions.
When Man U won the league,they spent another 50 million to strengthen the squad,and won the league again.
Wenger lives in a time warp and it will be impossible to maintain a challenge under his ethics unless his hand is forced to strengthen the team.
Another thing,looking at a few other sites,there are more and more gooners now wanting less french players in the side as opposed to the days of henry,viera,wiltord and viera when no one complained because we were winning things.
How many of the youngsters that are english will come through to the first team.wilshere most probably and others may make a good living in the pl but not at the level expected at arsenal.
franchise
yes they were lucky IMO and milan were deservedly 3 up IMO
but thats beside the point it was a great achievment and it was a team effort, gerrard wasnt as influential as is made out IMO
i also dont think vieira really learnt how to be the way he was from adams or keown
i think he learnt a bit from petit in playing terms but he was a completely different person to adams. he just wanted to win and his personality didnt come from anyone else, thats a bit of an assumption to make
the main reason i dont like the english-foreign debate tho is that when an english player has a couple of good games, u see this with rooney and walcott a lot, then everybody loves them for a few months, which is not true of foreign players
but in contrast, when a foreigner makes a mistake (unless playing for england), they all usually jump on his back and wont forget about it for a few months and it breaks ppl like senderos
thats one of the things i love about seeing arsenal win, they have to rise above all this crap, as vieira said tho, we have to play 5 times better than everyone else over a season to do it
We don’t show passion and commitment because our manager can’t motivate them. Not because the are French African or any other nationality. Essien would improve our team as much as Gerrard.
Kelsey… When Man U won the league they invested £50 million in players.
But when Arsenal won the League we invested £50 million in a bigger stadium so we can compete with the biggest clubs in the world, long term.
Man U were always the biggest club in the world, and they already owned a 65,000 seater stadium, we are just catching them up.
Go back 13 years we were just another top 10 team in this country now we are in the top 4 in the world.
We just need to sell those flats at Highbury square and spend some of the money we are going to generate out of our move to the Grove.
Mandanda Passion alone wouldnt win u things but a combination of ingredients of which passion is one of them. What we have currently at Arsenal is a cocktail for disaster. A bunch of younsters that dont understand what it means to play for Arsenal. Too many uncontrolled egos. Too many feeble minds that see Arsenal as a stepping stone e.g. Flamini, Hleb, Cesc. The ones that care are stripped of the captaincy and dropped from the side. Fergie understands this that is why he is so successful
point accepted
also franchise,
we werent complaining about lack of passion before,
wev been practically all foreign for years
ljungberg, pires, henry, wiltord, vieira, overmars, petit, edu, toure
u couldnt accuse them individually of lacking passion
ljungberg was apparently sick when we lost
i know ul say we had an english “backbone” but u cant question any of those players individually
even rvp now, one of the most passionate players ul see
last year, u wouldnt say fabregas was lacking passion
we just need to shift the primadonas (and i include walcott in that) and replace them with quality players who understand u even have to beat the little teams to be successful
Thanks Kelsey I was expecting another debate..
Ferguson is successful because he has bought and bought. Ferdinand £30 mill, Hargreaves £loads, Carrick £18 mill, Veron £28 mill, Rooney £30 mill, Berbatov £30 mill he buys goalkeepers like pick and mix.
Yet his best players Giggs and Schoals etc he got for nothing..
Like Wilshere in our youth policy….
Scholes not schoals ..
Franchise, since u put it that way then i agree with u. Its just that I hear so many ex-pros/pundits spout meaningless cliches as an excuse for analysis and “passion” is often a word they use
GM whats the use signing players that would keep wanting to move abroad when their careers kick starts.
Hleb
Flamini
Reyes
of recent. Expect Fabregas to join them soon. Top English players that dont already play in the top 4 dream only to play in the top 4. meaning that if we signed Gareth Barry in January there is a higher likelihood that he would be settled and proud to play for the club compared to if he was foreign.
Utd dont worry about Rooney, Ferdinand, Carrick leaving. I doubt if it is because no other club can offer them more. But I bet u in the next few years they would keep worring about Ronaldo, Anderson, Nani, tevez leaving. I think its time for Wenger to look within the Prem to strenghten this side.
The words I’m reading about our players “Uninterested” Dejected” and we have to ask ourselves why???? They have been given so much faith and belief by Wenger to play in our first team …. they are payed so much money a week that we can only dream of ….and then they have all the trappings and material wealth that young people crave today and act as though they are on an MTV video day in and day out…… so why “Uninterested” and “Dejected” is it possible that underneath all these sparkling trimmings and hello magazine lifestyle that when on the field being confronted by players with guts and skill they realise that their footballing skill and talent isn’t that great and underneath the dejection and uninterest comes from their knowledge that they are no bloody good and all their glittering lifestyle doesn’t hide how shit they are out there on the pitch and what their true worth really is.
Yea we need loyal English english players like Cole , Campbell and Bentley…
Avenell Wenger would have to learn the hard way that quality players cost money. Ferguson spends cos he knows this fact. And he also believes in having that mix of having passion english players and continental technical players. Yes Carrick at £18 mill is expensive or Hargreaves at £17 mill but when you watch them play you would think they were brought through the youth set up. You can see that they are proud to wear the shirt. And also Fergie doesnt have to worry about them being unsettled by transfer rumours every summer
Ferdinand loyal to West ham, Leeds..
Rooney loyal to Everton..
Carrick loyal to the spuds,
Or is it the fact Man U pay top dollar wages?
thats a bit harsh on campbell
he was awesome for us but the press destroyed him
Carrick and Hargreaves won’t be unsettled by transfer rumours because they are not that good. Utd never had to worry about solskar leaving. The premier league is full of mediocre English players. The best English players aren’t for sale and most are already at top 4 clubs.
Man U can also match most clubs wages and Transfer fees.
Cole as much as a twunt that he is served the club very well for 4 years. he was even tipped to be captain. The club betrayed him and did not value him enuff and being the greedy cunt that he is left to chelsea 5k/week it was that made the difference btw him becoming an Arsenal legend and a Judas. What do u expect when ur own captain Vieira tells u not to accept an offer? Campbell why do u say he isnt loyal. It took him 5 seasons to be an Arsenal legend. Bentley rightly fucked off cos he figured that Wenger was more patient with the foreign players than with the English. Wenger let him leave cos he reckoned he had a few players ahead of him in that position. Where the fuck are they all now? they’ve all fucked off like gypsies Hleb, Reyes. This brings me back to my earlier point
I’ve been supporting Arsenal for forty years and we only ever started playing this skillful, passing attacking complete game that we have now become so used to when Wenger (French) and a host of foreign players joined us. It is not about English players it is about players with skill and talent, woefully lacking amongst most English players. So no the answer isn’t English players it’s who can actually play skillful controlled attacking football and defend with style. Wherever they come from is immaterial …but remember Arsenal would not have had the success we have had over its recent history, and been hailed around the world as one of the best footballing teams, if it wasn’t for Wenger and foreign players.
Foreign clubs don’t buy English players because they are
Overpriced for what they are. Carrick was £20 million!!
Franshise Mau U have the money because.
a ….the Munich air disaster. (don’t mean that in a nasty way)
b …..the george Best, Bobby Charlton era
c…. There stadium is built in a slum and cost fuck all compared to ours..
a & b made them the biggest club in the world..
We have now caught them up.. financially. and the credit crunch is going to hit them hard .
Campbell broke his contract, and Arsene allowed it to play abroad and he went to Portsmouth….
Avenell read my earlier point. Top English players that dont play for the like of Arsenal, ManU, Chelsea, L’Pool only aspire to play for the 4 english clubs. And once they make the move like in the case of Lampard, Ferdinand, Rooney they are so settled. The press dont even bother to speculate about transfers. The likes of Real Madrid, Inter, AC Milan dont entice them.
avenell you don’t know me except i have followed the gunners since i was a child and went to my first match in 1958.i have a pretty good idea of what is a good player but when it comes to the all the new foreign players playing abroad i am not so well up on,but i do know that someone is not telling the truth to us fans at arsenal.
I was actually attacked at highbury totally unprovoked by leeds fans some 30 years ago and have never recovered properly from it.so i enjoy the interaction and knowledge of some of the better informed posters on here.i never get into an arguement if i cant substanstiate the facts.
Bentley thought he was ahead of Bergkamp. Bentley is a cunt full stop. (and overrated)
Now the topic’s moved on to loyalty. People often say there is no loyalty in modern football, but I don’t think there should be. If loyalty means going back to the pre-Bosman era where clubs more or less controlled the movement of players then I am totally against it. What pertains now is a system where the market decides how/where a player plies his trade. In essence, players are only loyal to the dough, as Avennell rightly pointed out, just as the clubs are and have been for a long.
Loyalty in football is a rather romantic subject!
bentley left cos he didnt want to wait
u want him in this team now?? do u think we’d be better off with guys like him??
hes a primadona if ever i saw one, got a bit of creativity but not quite the skill to make the most of it
plus hes said he prefers tottenham…
the reasons he left were that he was actually Dis-loyal, i wouldnt pin that one on wenger
theres plenty of things wenger has got wrong recently but letting bentley go wasnt one of them
Why would any European club buy Rooney? United would expect £45 million. You could have the best of any of the top leagues (except the prem) for that.
Kelsey… I nearly got stabbed on the North Bank by a Spurs fan when I was 17.. and I was at the West Ham game when they stabbed a Gooner to death.
I am sorry to hear what happened to you, but you have moved on no doubt!
hello govers. are we still bitching about everything thats wrong with our team.?
Rob The Goon
check todays news of the world. theres a picture of Nikki Pink Balls Boots in there lol
I am not saying that signing only English players is the answer but that at this point that we find ourselves in it would be very adviseable to sign a few English players. For one they are more likely to want to remain in the club hence we can get some stability. We should have built on what we achieved lasy season but two sojourners that were key to the team left. It also happened with Reyes. Its hi time we go out and sign players like Agbolahor, G.Barry, Wheater etc that would find it an honour to play for the club and be happy to remain at the club for life if possible rather than see the club as a stepping stone especially as we are not winning tings
im out now
Evening Grovers!
A miserable day or what?
So, what’s been going on?
I’ve read through the comments section and there have been some great ones today!
Who gets the armband and who gets the nod for the Kiev game?
kelsey
my sympathies friend. never good hearing stuff like that.
some people take things to far.
Kelsey were you like me at Wembley 1969 when Swindon beat us in the league cup final.Now those were grim days.
Evening Pedro.
shity day or what. got caught in the rain and my socks got wet. “Wasnt Happy at all”
was reading todays papers and the Arsenal Crisis talk is in full swing
Kelsey ….Avenall ………… and any others on this blog who have been attacked and/or injured while supporting Arsenal. Perhaps we should arrange that you could all visit the training ground and give our players a team talk on what you have been through, and given, in supporting this club through the years and how it hurts you now to watch these over rated players play as if they couldn’t give a shit. Perhaps it would actually reach through their thick skins and touch something called a conscience ….. if they have one.
im hearing roumors that Wenger is keen to bring Matthew Upson back ?
It was a very unfortunate time in 70s when it was often not safe to even wear a scarf i remember getting jumped in the chippie after a game by a load of geordies and few weeks later at the Chavs
Franchise if you are still here.
I’d love to sign Agbonglahor
goonermichael
i like Agbonglahor aswell.
but were is his best postion and were do u think wenger would play him as chances are it would be somwere other then his best postion
paul,yes i was at the game against swindon,when we thought all we had to do was turn up.remember the muddy pitcj,bobby gould scoring the equaliser and crying and there goalie played a blinder and don rogers got two goals.Was i embarrassed.
Mark unfortunately i now have an imbalance from that attack that brings on anxiety for no given reason,and i have at sometimes been housebound for years.but i live with it.
The pink boots were in support of breast cancer awareness so I would forgive that.. All other points are valid. very troubling times, sad more then anything.
breaking news on sky sports news
Gallas will be considered for the kiev game. but Wont be Captain.
Jeess tell us somthing we dont know!!
agbonlahor isnt that great
hes a bit better than walcott but i think walcott will be better than him in the future
vela is Far better than gabby as well
id rather have ashley young from villa
Did they mention that minor detail in the paper Colonel?
Glad I never gave him any stick..
would any of you take Upson back?
Colonel, where did you read that? I haven’t read it in any of the boots press cuttings… and I haven’t heard anyone say that was the reason.
Kelsey, a Chav fan tried to attack me on the way out of a Arsenal game… he missed with his head butt and Geoff destroyed him. I was only 18… this guy was late thirties… it was a sweet moment to watch a bully get his comeuppance.
GM… him or Ashley Young.
I think Wenger will move in Jan… he has to otherwise people wont renew… and we know how much Arsenal love money.
Kelsey ….sorry to hear how that attack has affected you. As you say you have learnt to live with it but such injuries and their after effects are not easy as they completely alter your life and you have to adapt day to day. I’m surprised it didn’t turn you off supporting football for life.
apparently abramovich was so incensed with robinho going to city that he has blocked any moves for wayne bridge to go there.
villa won’t sell us anyone in the window. would you in their position.
thanks mark,but once its in your blood you know what i mean.living here in the sunshine in spain does help.
kelsey
do u blame him. his not the biggest EPL’s sugar daddy any more thanks to the Sheikh’s
hi all,, I am planning to go to watch the away game at porto & as this is my first away game to a country which I never visited before could u please give me tips & also if any of u been there what is like out there also what I should be watching for……. thanks for ur advice/guidance in advance…..
http://www.footy-boots.com/bendtner-and-ribery-to-debut-berry-5389/
Don’t mention anything abot breast cancer awareness here.. just says there on sale.
Unless there not the ones..
A friend told me, I was giving him as much stink truth be told .You need to be Peledona Zidane to get away with those things. It was on Sporting Life also so we can forgive him that just about but the rest of the debacle was troubling.
bini
dont piss off the locals
and you will be fine
raif absolutely especially as he has reportedly lost half his wealth.
bini,portugese are very friendly but dont wear colours just to be on the safe side
portugal is very,very expensive and fish is the main meal.
cheers raif… i will check with arsenal if they still have space for travell arrangements
Avenell/Colonel… can you imagine Sky Pundits giving Nik stick about pink boots if they were for charity?
No way… I haven’t heard or read it mentioned anywhere. Anyway… do your charity work in your own time I say.
The rest of the day was pretty terrible. I think Rambo has to be given a go… at least he seems to care.
Did anyone read City want to spend £60 mill on terry? Nutters!
I’d like 4 players if Gallas goes.
kelsey i guess will take pack lunch,,,,, hopefully I wont stay more than needed….
Pedro
who would you want to see us bring in, in Jan?
if not who, what positions?
We’d better be careful with City lurking. The January offers will be insane and Hughes would like nothing better then to piss Wegner off!
bini
ill echo what kelsey said. dont wear the teams colours unless u cover them well
pre & post Game. just to be safe as thers always ganna me somone looking for a scrap.
I’d like Alonso, Chillieni and De Rossi.
I am however, dreaming.
So a versatile midfielder, defensive midfielder with high energy and a fearsome centre back.
How about you?
Hughes wont be at city for long,and i think they(the owners) will get serious with big money signings at the end of the season when thy can assess things better.
Didn’t they let giovani go.
id like a player who cares after years of the manager defending them id like one who gives a shyt now that the boss is under fire an at leasts cares enough to fight
raif/kelsey ….thanks guys but dont want to make an issue of this but I am a black guy and wanted to know if there is any issue with racisim and so on….. i went to the game gainst Milan and was sat in middle of the milan supporters…. but becasue I use to live there and know the language and what to avoid it was easier… but never been portugal…
well my list would be somthing like this.
Akinfiev
Mich Richards
Upson
Metzelder
De Rossi
Alonso
Cana
Arteta
just said gallas wont captain arsenal against kiev but will be considered for the game,on breahing news on sky sports.
why cant the club just tell us exactly what they are doing,always full of induendos.
my list is cana or flamini,senderos or djourou,van persie & bendtner to leave, eduardo or vela to start with ade
wenger need to come out & explain what is happening … all the specualtions are not going to benefit any one… & also he should get gallas to comeout with some sort of statement apologising for his behaviour,,,,,,
honestly if we just got de rossi id be happy with that,
i really think that would have such an affect on the team
it would just replace the flamini effect from last year, cos wer basically the same lineup apart from him
all the other problems i believe are solvable with the reserves if we just get that rock-type playre in the middle there
the speculation wont benefit us but th players know whats happening so it dont really matter! i just want wenger to start playing players in their best positions (cesc, djourou) and stop being cheap
he will not spend money because he is stubborn….. how could any one refuse to at least attempt to bring a player such as David Villa… the guy wanted to come…. Veloso also was interested to come but the stingy man he saw the price tag
Bini, he will spend. He is stubborn… not stupid.
He knows the ramifications of failure.
Pedro, u r rigt & he will try but the problem is that he is tight & in Jan clubs they wont sell & ifg they sell at a premium….. Take alonso Liverpool will not sell… Gareth is another one….. he has to fork out and i hope i will be proven wrong….. last one he will try to justify it by saying Edu and rosicky will be back….
Bini… he has to do something doesn’t he.
Alonso is out of the question, becuase he is working well… but there are other great players out there who are not getting a game. I simply don’t believe in the current climate, clubs aren’t looking to offload players they aren’t using.
appiah should be approached…. he has the presence that we are lacking now … risky but he is available for nothing…..
Hey there gooners, love the site, im a regular follower and i thought it was time i contributed.
I think AW has no choice but to bring in new players in jan, he knows the price of failure and after the last few months he can see the team is struggling, and the fans and players are both becoming unsettled.
its just who he brings in. Do we have the money to bring in the quality we so badly need or will they be stop gap signings at pittence until next summer?
Hi, Jon Jon.. How are you doing mate?
Welcome to Le Grove JonJon.
You can bet your bottom dollar we have cash… we have a £93million cash reserve at the moment, up from £73mill last year… and we’ve off loaded most of our major earners… oh, and we never sign any players!
Bini… I’m not a fan of Appiah… and I think he might just be the reactionary choice. I’m not knocking your opinion… but the fact we are in November and he hasn’t got a club speaks volumes.
welcome JonJon.
i think we DO have the Money. and Wenger will say he always looks for quality.
the question is how much would wenger want to pay for that so called “quality”
and i dont think Stop gap is in Wengers Vocabulary
You can check out the state of our finances by clicking the link up the top on the left —>
Darren Bent witnessed the cracks in the Arsenal team when Tottenham fought back to earn a 4-4 draw at the Emirates.
Bent told The People: “We knew on the pitch that if we could get the game back to 4-3 then they would crumble. I felt the tension within the team on that day.
“During that game you could hear the players arguing between themselves and that made us focus.
“Luckily enough we put them under pressure and got our rewards.
Maybe once you get under their skin it frustrates them and it obviously got to them.
“I’ve never heard of a captain come out and say those things.”
Bent admits the Frenchman was the only Arsenal player to shake the Spurs players’ hands.
He added: “He showed real heart and did shake our hands.”
im not sure on Appiah. but he could add somthing. but to be honest we could end up getting Appiah and Bischoff could be the man all along. its a tough one to assess indeed
No one likes to read that.
Oh… Geoff, cheers for policing today!
Raif, snap buying is the worst thing Arsenal could do right now. We need the right names and the right type of quality.
Appiah isn’t Arsenal quality.
bischoff is an attacking player,too small an weak to play in the midfield
Pedro – Song or Appiah??
i remain optimistic to get some world class players & with cesc appointment as captain the team will be revatilised……
and theres no such thing as available for nothing these days,being available without a transfer fee gives a player the licence to command a signing on fee and huge wages
Pedro.
thats what im saying aswell. thats why rushing to get Appiah just because his available on a free would be fullish. after all West Ham was after him along with some other middle table orem team. and heres arsenal competing for him aswell.
like u said not arsenal quality
we need some one that is aggressive… yesteday Man city commited 17 fiouls & us 11…. i think appiah will add presence rather skill….
bergkamp …the reason we lost flamini because they wouldnt pay the salary for his quality. Now look we will fork out millions to get the right player….
I would take Appiah as a stop gap until a more suitable player becomes available, especially if it prevents Song from playing in the first team. Song is, at best, a Championship player. Along with Denilson, who at best is nothing more than a CC player, the pair of them formed the worst central midfield pairing i can ever remember AFC fielding and that includes the likes of Selley, Morrow etc etc……
Vela—–Diaby—–Denilson(!)——Nasri
This is a more balanced midfield, the continual inclusion of Song is at the detriment of the teams balance, and to make a substitution to take the adequate Hoyte off and push Song back to RB beggared belief, what does that do to the confidence of Hoyte? AW’s preocupation with this sud-standard player is at the detriment of the team ethic.
Thanks guys, cheers Pedro for letting me on, mate.
i heard that Appiah was under investigation by FIFA, his old club are demanding compensation if he joins another club. Thats why he is still hasnt been snapped up yet.
Pedro, is it true we have to pay 135mil by next summer, i keep reading that on differant sites and im confused about how much money we actually have to spend.
I dont think we need to buy 30mil superstars, wenger got pires, edu, sagna, eduado (i could go on) all for less than 10mil and none of them were 12 when we got them, im sure with our scouting network we could find these players if we wanted.
dennisdamenace
Song
well his young so he has some kind off re-sale value. aswell as adding a % on any future transfer fee paid after leaving us
Even the staunchest Arsene fans(myself included)must have realised long before yesterday that Song in the middle of the park is just totally wrong and invites pressure from the opposition,however lowly they maybe.I actually think he is a capable centre back that provides good cover when we have injuries.Playing the prick Bendtner is just unforgivable as he lacks everything required of an Arsenal centre forward,control,pace etc etc but most of all humility as what the fuck were those boots about,we are in the middle of a period where our players need to buckle down and show the sort of character that gets you through our difficulties and from what I have seen the last thing we need right now is the talentless prick Bendtner embarrassing us even more.THE ONLY PERSON WHO ACTUALLY THINKS THAT BENDTNER IS ANY GOOD IS HIMSELF(and the temperarally blinkered Arsene Wenger).Jay Simpson is a far more naturally gifted stiker and we had Vela avialable so why play the useless twat?Before yesterdays team sheet was announced Arsene had a chance to show that the correct use of young players could provide us with the fillip we needed,using Simpson up front and Ramsey or Wilshire in the middle.He chose to go with the tried and tested Bendtner and Song and from that moment we were doomed.You know what you get from those two and it isn’t good enough for a club of our stature.
raif – I personally wouldn’t care if we just let him go, Ramsey at only 17 is a much more superior player, and Wenger makes himself ook an even bigger arse by his own words about not stiffling/killing the youngsters, well what the hell is in inclusion on Song in the starting line up doing?? And, then to add insult to injury he moves back to RB just to keep the lumbering calamity on the pitch!
Has Wenger staked his own fast dwindling reputation on Song actually making it as an EPL player, because if he has he’s in big fucking trouble!
jon jon i read somewhere he has the clearance another team as free agent…..
well said eddy,
i advocated simpson playing after his 2 goals against wigan but the majority said he wasn’t good enough yet,well by yesterdays performance by bedntner he didn’t have to improve much.
The Song bashing has started again! He did ok yesterday and was not as bad as some gonners make us believe. The problem the team had was AW fielding players in the wrong places and not having a creator. The shit player has been Bendtner and I am sure Simpson will have done much better
wenger keep taking off the best players on the field…… he took Diaby in the last two games…..
Song and bendtner are a total waste of space. neither are arsenal or PL class
iv never seen any potential in song and bendtner seems to have regressed into a poor player, i feel if we sold them we wouldnt miss them. i feel ramsey and vela should be considered above them in the pecking order in midfield and upfront
denilson isnt ready yet, hes been thrown in too early.
we lack the presence of real quick footed creative wingers and we have no DM’s, our defence lacks pace power and height and we have a keeper who cant claim a high ball for love nor money and regularly gets found wanting for position.
id say we lack a real finisher but when edu and vela start playing more games we’ll have our finishers.
above all this we miss nastiness, we need nasty players who can roll up their sleves and enjoy a good scrap as well as play good football.
up until recent seasons Wengers sides have always been known for their aggressive streak, how many red cards did we used to get, especially in wengers first 9 years.
did i miss anything out?
I don’t just wanna pick on Song, because for me there’s so much more to this current poor situation than just one sub-standard player.
But, me real worry is the effect of this current setup on players like JW, AR, CV et al true stars in the making. Back in the day Fab4 could learn/look up to players like RP07, PV04, DB10. What has the current crop got to look to, Song, Eboue, Denilson……..fucking hell this is how low we’ve fallen. Add to that the attitude/egos of RvP, NB, EA and you’ve got an extremely worrying environment for these young players to develop in……..
Appiah according to Wiki has just got a new agent to find him another club..
And someone on here today quoted Wenger saying he has had problems with agents not approved by the FA (you never know).
I think in October he won his case against Fenerbache and is now a free agent.
There seems to be a small problem with third party ownership..
But that might be resolved now he has new agents..
Juventus, and Chelsea are said to be interested and in Ghana he is held in higher regard than Essian.
Great article! Stop playing players out of position for a start! Spend some money on champions league players! Give diaby a go in the middle! Ramsey, vela, simpson and jack all need to play. If Vela goes out on loan i swear to god I won’t watch another game this season!!! Too many players let go at the wrong time. Too many fuck ups in that area! Bender, pink boots? Sorry Bentner! Fuck me !!
what i dont get is if Jack and Ramsey had good partnership in midfield & managed to outplay Wigan then why he didnt play
Jack – Ramsey- diaby/denilson – nasri….
The worst thing is he should have known at half time things werent working and make change/s…..
His judgement is becoming poor and it is cintinuiing all the time
confident – Song is the easiest target because he epitomises everything that is wrong with AW’s current policies. As i’ve stated many many times before he really is not my favourite players, but equally he is not the ONLY problem……..
Spend, spend, spend!!
its not Songs fault why his Shit. its Wengers fault for playing him. Blame Mr Wenger
JonJon, that cost is covered by the flats they’ve already sold.
Geoff heard from someone high up at Arsenal that we will be debt free by the end of 2009 with £30mill in the bank.
Then they’d be primed to sell up. Well, that was the plan before the credit crunch.
Songs not a bad player but he is way too laid back. It’s just that we need more steel in the middle. I would buy scott parker personally and a couple of centre backs. another winger maybe Arshavin. Song might even make a better centre back than midfielder.
I agree raif, the players are not going to turn round and say to AW, no sorry not today mate, im shit,
Wenger has seen them play regular first team football now and players like songs performances just get worse and worse, and hes not the only one.
It wengers fault for keeping with them, i know he probably doesnt want to shatter their confidence but by keeping on playing them hes publicly embarrasing them.
before this season we could of sold them and made decent money, now we will struggle to give them away.
hey people. how much do you think sissoko would be available for?
Dennis, raif,
The blog took another Song coloration and I had to step out. Why do people suffer fools gladly? What have we seen in AW that justifies his stay?Tell me? All I hear are events that have long past! Which club on this earth assess a manager on past performance. All businesses have a staff report, which is a basis for dispensing perks. AW staff report this year will be near zero. The guy has turned full circle and bloggers still want to give him a chance. Well, you may give him a chance but you might see that you have a club struggling to stay in the premiership.
The guy has burnt all his bridges and respect with me. His player selections from last season has always been STUPID. Which top coach is he better than?
Raif, Sissoko is just the type of player we need
raif – i do!
Pedro, so that will explain why we havent spent any serious money.
The board want to get as much money as they can when they sell up,
iv tried to follow the finances,but the board have come out with so much spin that i dont know what to believe.
if thats the case and they are going to sell, roll on 2009,
we badly need investment, but if kroenke is the man to take over, i dont understand why Dein isnt still here. wasnt he the man who wanted to bring kroenke in the 1st place.
i hate football politics, they keep more secrets and tell more lies than the government, but surely they understand the fans are what make the club what it is, if we didnt turn up for the games in our thousands, and fork out for the telly subscrptions, theyd be right up shit creek.
Who should Wenger buy in january transfer window to make a step in the right direction? I have heared that he considers a deal with OM- Gallas +money= Cana. I would love to see it coming but it’s probably just a gossip.
nucks
Sissoko was the perfect player after PV04. liverpool was lucky to get him Bcos Rafa managed him at Valencia. his a good engine i think. but would Juv really want to sell. and for a right price that Wenger would be looking to pay. i dont think so. its a shame as i would like to have im.
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dennisdamenace
so do i mate.
JonJon, the flats cover that 2009 payment totally… any extra is a bonus.
The reason we haven’t spent cash is Arsene Wenger and Project Youth.
Danny Fizsman came out and said the coach had the backing of the board if he needed money… but he didn’t ask for any.
Danny doesn’t strike me as the sort to bullshit… his interview was pretty frank and he even said he was hoping for Wenger to spend!
JonJon
Kroenke’ fortune is just a little over 900 milion pounds. Do You belive that he will be able to buy Arsenal?
Confident… sack Wenger, get the next best thing… just like Spurs did?
Wenger is still the best man to turn this around… if he is willing to revert back to his old ways.
I think veloso would be a better signing than sissoko, he can play in the midfield and back 4 and he has a sweet freekick. his mate from sporting, moutinho is a good player also. they are both tough, we should nab em both
Raif, I watched the spuds today as much as i hate to admit it, tom huddlestone looked like a good centre midfielder. He tackles well, passes well and even shoots now. How can they look like a completely different team with the same players? I still reckon Diaby should be played in the middle and see what difference he makes.
Nucks… fat, lazy and average.
That is Tom Huddlestone for me.
Pedro, No that’s a perfect description of me playing in the middle!
Sorry Pedro, I don’t buy it that Fizman comes out and says Arsene can have £30m if he wants – that was just spin.
Arsene is taking the flack, i reckon theres no money – or very limited money and rather than the fans turning on the board which could be really ugly – no money going into the tills for example – its easier for the fans to turn on Arsene.
We are all talking about names and players, but a the moment we are fighting for the 4th place and we can’t expect to lure quality players and persuade them to play for us. And that’s the biggest problem.
nucks.
forget any spurs player.
i also want to see Diaby play in the middle next to Cesc aswell. i think it could work. his got abit of hight on him aswell so his more then able to win the high balls.
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JonJon
ill take veloso aswell.
Peaches, what does Wenger stand to gain by taking the flak?
Nucks, I am sure you’re not as fat as Huddlestone! haha!
What is happening to our team? There are so many unanswered questions!
I am so pissed off.
When we get to the gutter he gets David Dein back!
Maciek, I dissagree, if the money is right for some players then they will go anywhere, ie Robinho. However I think there are a lot of players who would still love to play under Arsene Wenger. I think it is more down to money for most.
Peaches, read the story:
Link
I heard that MAn Citeh is keen on signing K.Toure> thats gotta be alarming, because AW will sell him and then not replace him. Instead we will have Song playin CB the DM at the same TIME!!! oh no………………….
Pedro, thanks mate your right he is a lot fatter than most! I wasn’t suggesting that we buy fat tom, I was pointing out how bad our midfield looks in comparison lately!
Pedro,
Boy this must be one of your best post. Very good read. Awesome. We all seem to agree on what needs to be done. I mean everybody except AW. What do we all need to do to make this thick skin listen????????/
peachesgooner
one of them is lieing who do u think it is. Arsenal is the most expensive ticket in world football. where is all the money going? we dont have Big star names earning 100K a week anymore. so where saving it more then spending.
i think its Wenger. it has to be. why would he say he has money to spend and risk the chance of the price of the player he wants to buy go higher. the idea is to pay less as possible.
we cant do a Chavski and park a Tank outside there ground firing 50 pound notes at them
or a Man City and Fly a B52 Bomber over there ground and Drop hundreds of pounds on them till they sell.
I’m with you on that peaches..
I reckon that the money we have available in the bank (£90mill) is not going to be spent in case these people who have put there deposits down on the flats fail to meet the other 90% of the payment next summer.
But if Wenger said he needed £25 mill they would find it reluctantly, but they are not throwing it at him.
There is no gain in keeping the money in the bank and falling out of the top 4 because the shares would be worth less than if we are a CL club..
Nucks i saw the game i was also impressed by Huddlestone. Pedro ur description of him is the same i have of him but he has impressed me on a few occassions
He needs David Dein – or a similar person – DD has been his friend and confidante for the past 12 years. They are good friends – they meet often – this I know.
DD screwed up because he thought his position was unetanable – he had to sell his shares so that when he returns its from a position of weekness. DD wants to take the club forward financially – but we don’t need £300m because we are a good business model already.
We will fall so far and then the board will have to change their stance because all the time we are failing as a football club their investment is falling badly!!!
That was a fucking embarrassment yesterday. I have been feeling very low about Arsenal since AW decided to waste the whole summer transfer window. And accordingly I set my expectations very low this season and the team are worse than even I thought!
This season I have been to the following away games: Fulham, Sunderland, Stoke and Man City. Every one of those games we have been shit, absoloute toilet and it’s been bloody sad to watch.
This is the team that Wenger made. And it’s shit.
Can he turn it around? I think he could but only with someone giving him a good kick up the arse and telling him to stop being so stubborn and who’s going to do that? PHW? Please.
He is now bigger than the club and it’s unhealthy.
Personally if he rubbishes the FA Cup again that will be the last straw for me.
Watching AC milan against Torinno, but I haven’t seen Senderous play for their 1st team and Flamini gets the occassional look in.
We need fighters in the mold of Gattuso and Maldini.
Confident, cheers!
I think he knows now… like someone said earlier, he is faced with complete failiure for the first time…
Surely he knows this?
we have to be worried with comments like this..
However Wenger is refusing to concede they are out of the title race even though they have seen Aston Villa move into fourth place.
He said: “We have to keep our belief. With a strong team in a strong club, you have sometimes to go through a period like this.
“It is how well you deal with that situation you determine your future.
“I believe we have to try to win our next game and not set targets and see where we go.”
& This…………
Wenger added: “We were in control in the first half but then conceded a goal in stoppage time.
“That goal changed the game. City played a lot on the counter attack and we played into their hands.
“We lacked maturity and the second goal illustrated that. The third goal was a very soft penalty.
“We gave absolutely everything – we are not in the blaming culture. We stand up for our responsibilities.”
Sigh…………………………………
Pedro – that was just spin on the part of the board. There was already growing unrest that Arsene didn’t seem to be going for any of the targets he’d mentioned at the end of last season.
Who do you think has more power Arsene Wenger or the board?
Who pays who’s wages?
‘he had to sell his shares ‘
No he didn’t? He fucked up big time there…
Avenell, people aren’t giving up there deposits… 90% sold. It is mostly rich investors buying up those properties. A little recession wont scare them into giving up a piece of history and prime real estate.
Back to it… what does Wenger stand to gain by defending the board?
Maciek,
i dont think kroenke could afford to buy us without putting us into debt mate, but i never said i wanted him to, i said if.
i just hope that one thing that benefits from this season is that wenger realises his project isnt working,
if fizsmanns comments were correct, and it wasnt spin, then surely AW has to dip into into the funds. if he doesnt use jan to start rebuilding, then i see it as the board who isnt allowing the funds, or the manager, who is still too stubborn to see the error of his ways. either way one of them is wrong and someone needs a word.
Franchise, we have to be a little bit careful of praising a spud but yes he did have a good game. This will be controversial so i will be careful how i put this. Harry does have a knack of getting the best out of his key players. This is because he plays them in positions that suit them. He won’t take lennon and play him at right back. On rare occasions you might have to ask a player to play somewhere that doesn’t suit him because he can do a job there. But we do it all over the pitch. Gallas was a left back for the chavs and silvestre was the same. How the fuck is diaby supposed to play on the wing? The only thing Harry has failed on is sending that rat faced pikey back to his caravan site!!! HE’S JUST A SHIT DAVID BECKHAM!!!
He didn’t fuck up Pedro – and he got £75m for his shares so we don’t have to feel sorry for him in any way.
He went around it the wrong way – the board didn’t like what he was suggesting and closed ranks.
Peaches, that is a weak argument.
Who pays Rafa’s wages… Fergies, Mourinho’s (Before he left)…
If you’re not being backed, you don’t lie about it to the press… especially if you are a proud man.
“There were great expectations and hopes that we would buy heavily this summer,’’
Does that sound like a MD who is lying?
I think we need to sing all the old Arsenal legends songs to push the point that nobody of the current crop is deserving of a song at the moment. Just belt out ninety minutes of Thierry Henry, Bergamp, Super Bob, Wrighty etc
Peaches, he did fuck up.
He sold his shares to the wrong person and now he has no way back in.
How is that not a fuck up?
He was loaded already…
What would he gain by coming out and saying theres no money for transfers?
Benitez tried it I believe – did he get Gareth Barry? No he just looked like he had no power after all.
Pedro . I have watched my shares in the HBOS fall to 5% of what they were worth a year ago.. I am not too optomistic.
There is a lot of big companies falling at the moment, I was told you could buy Woolworths for a pound last week.
Ah, yes, I have to agree with you that he sold his shares to the wrong person
But he didn’t know that the board were going to accept Kroenke after all – I expect hes gutted that he sold his shares to the russian – he’ll be able to buy them back
Did he get Torres… yes.
Villa didn’t want to sell Barry because Liverpool played hardball with Carson. That wasn’t Liverpools fault or a lack of backing.
Avenell… Dein didn’t sell his shares because he was skint… he sold them as a way back in!
DD was right though wasnt he? no matter what he did and didnt do he hit the nail on the head.
he said we would fall behind the rest if we ploughed all our finances into the stadium and we have, this is wengers poorest side yet and we were told the new stadium would help us compete on a par with man utd.
the only thing we compete with man utd on is wages.
It was lack of backing – benitez was close to tears during august because of the ‘yes you can’ ‘no you can’t ‘ buy gareth barry saga. Torres was the year before anyway.
Pedro. I haven’t mentioned DD mate..
Pedro – did you have an answer to my first question?
Who has more power Arsene Wenger or the board?
Peaches, but no one is in any doubt if the other top 4 managers are not being backed.
The finances say we are in a great position, the MD says we are and the simple maths says we are.
You can’t plead poverty when the whole world can see you bank account.
Wenger has nothing to gain by protecting the board… having no money available doesn’t make you look powerless does it? It would give Wenger a great excuse to continue with project youth though.
He has had plenty of opportunity to say…
‘I’m backing the kids because I have no cash to spend’
He can’t though, because it is not true. So instead the excuse is,
‘If I buy a 25 year old… I kill a career.’
JonJon if we borrow £500 million and get in as much debt as ManU we could compete with them then.
But for the sake of our club the board choose not too..
Peaches… Wenger.
He is helping to choose the new CEO and he is key to any future sale of the club.
He is probably the most powerful manager in the world and certainly the most powerful figure at Arsenal.
Avenell… that is not true.
ManU didn’t get in debt to buy players… they got in debt so the Glazers could get the fans to pay for the club for them.
They were always a debt free enterprise before and capable of big money signings.
Of course he could say ‘I’m backing he kids because I have no cash to spend’ but when Danny Fizman comes out and says Arsene can have £30m if he wants to buy someone – it doesn’t add up does it?
One of them must be telling big fat lies.
I would say the one with the power is the one pulling the strings – and thats not Arsene.
We know that there were bids for Alonso on 31st August – bids that weren’t going to be accepted but that were never the less placed. Why? If you wanted to buy the player you’d make sure you were gonna get him wouldn’t you?
This rot started from last season after Birmingham. Perhaps after Seville away, to be more precise. We should have won some games that we either drew or lost because AW plays the wrong players or formation. It got worse with the injury to Dudu who was really combining well with Ade.
There are many reasons to be angry with AW. Not buying, not fielding the right squad, but the one that tips it is not being in control of his dressing room or trying to paper over cracks in the team. I am angry that Wenger knew he had dressing room problems and did nothing to heal or settle that and it took Gallas’s book for us to know.
What can be done to revive Arsenal? I would go with getting Appia in the short term to at least bench Dennilson and Song in the DM. Alternatively, bring Toure to play DM, he really cannot be as bad as the incumbents and he is faster than Song. Next, sort out the mid with injection of Ramsey, Diaby, Vela and Nasri who already plays there. Never play Diaby wide. He does better in the middle. Get the combo right for front men
Ade / RVP, Ade/ Vela, Vela/Simpson, Ade/Diaby. Ade/Simpson. Mr. Bentner can watch from the stands.
See how this takes you till January when you must do the following: Buy 2 defenders top draw, 1 mid right (Theo should come in in 2nd half ) 1 world class striker and I DM.
Sell ; Song , Bendt, , Dennilson, Gallas, Rosicky,
JonJon
I respect Your view but-HE WON’T LEARN. HE IS TOO STUBBORN. He will never admit that he was wrong. My solutions are:
- sell so called dead wood- Song, Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner, Adebayor, Almunia,
- Exchange Gallas plus cash with Cana,
- bring back Martin Keown as def. coach,
- make Lee Dixon or S. Bould or some former GUNNER Wenger’s no2
- Appoint a new CEO,
- make a public statemant by our board about money for transfers( how much, etc.),
- use transfer money = money from sold players to buy a GK, CD,CDM
My choose will go to Given, Zapata, Upson, Cana, Appiah, Arshavin
- make a meeting between Wenger and supporters, where he can explain the whole situation,
- if Rosicky will be fit play him in the centre of our midfield and say bye to Fabregas,
- give Wenger a last more chance to prove his worth, value, letting him make some transfers in january
- if we end up empty handed and outside the CL, sack him in the summer,
What do You think?
great post pedro
as usual le groves view has softened these hard times
Peaches, Danny came out after Wenger said he didn’t have any money and refuted that claim by saying he always has the backing of the board.
The big difference in the stories is that Danny has financial evidence to back his claims… Arsene doesn’t.
Look at the financials… it’s in black and white.
wenger has come out and said he would spend 30mil on a player if it guaranteed him a trophy but becaquse there are no guarantees he would rather go the cheap way
indirect quote but from memory its pretty much what he said
Pedro. I know how Man U got into debt..
But the fact is they are in debt to the tune of £750 million..
So that leaves us £500 mill to buy players
It’s a great way of saying I wont sign a £30million player isn’t it!
It’s like me saying I’d start up my own business if I could guarantee a profit every year… if not, I’ll stay in my job.
£500mill on players… the stuff of dreams!
Only if Arsene was spending it though…
That article with that interview with Danny Fizzman was on the 28th August.
His words can be interpretted in 2 different ways.
We have given Arsene £30m to spend or
If Arsene wants to buy a player and he were to cost for example £30m we would not say no to him.
I’m sure you can see the difference. From a spin point of view all thats important is that a figure of £30m is mentioned in the article.
And yest GENTLEMEN, we need a WORLD CLASS player, who will be also a so called star player.
Avenell, i agree we do not need to go down the man utd road to compete with them, but if weve made 30mil a year since weve been at the grove then surely if we’d of put half of that back into the club in way of transfers we’d have a side ready to compete with anyone around the world by now.
i dont want huge investmest, but rome wasnt built in a day, weve been rebuilding for the past 3 years and we are declining more than improving. if wenger would have bought a couple of quality players each season, not kids, we’d be in a much stronger position with a much stronger team at this point. it doesnt take an investor to do that.
saving the money every year might of got us a healthy cash reserve, but a healthy cash reserve doesnt make you champions does it.
Either way Arsene didn’t spend the £30m.
Who do you think was more satisfied with those dealings?
Peaches,
Agree 100% and I did raise this with Geoff from earlier blogs. That explains the limited ambition. The official target of the board to AW is 4th place finish in the league. Again why would you bid for players below their market price? Shows you did not really want to buy. You just wanted the Junos to pick that somehow you wanted to strengthen.
I believe that the board and AW are lying. Cash is scarce. simple.
‘If he said to us ‘I want this guy and he’s £30 million, can I buy him?’ the answer is yes. Absolutely yes. We totally back him.’
Followed by,
‘There were great expectations and hopes that we would buy heavily this summer’
That isn’t spin to me… that is Danny saying we were expecting heavy spending, but we weren’t asked.
The 28th of August wasn’t a critical renewal time… so there was no need to spin any bullshit.
Wenger backed his kids, and he has failed. He stated all summer he planned to back the kids…
Pedro – Is that from the Telegraph link you gave ?!
Maciek,
i agree with everything you say, apart from sack wenger next summer,
i believe he deserves the chance to put it right, its his mess let him sort it, he must start rebuilding, using the next two windows, if nothing changes and we are in the same situation in 2010 then he goes.
id give him next season mate to put it right, hes not stupid, hes stubborn but he knows what he has to do. if he doesnt then its bye bye.
Yes Keyser.
Pedro – you write such good stuff on here, if you wanted to spin a tale to us, I reckon you’d get more than 80% believing you.
Why would Danny Fizzman give an interview on the 28th August – 3 days before the transfer window closes? I believe he had to come out and say something.
I remember this site went crazy when that article came out, everyone saying ‘see, Arsene does have the money’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i still cant believe im debating on le grove with the likes of avenell and pedro, its like being a youth player promoted to the 1st team and playing with the stars, hahahaha
If I was Fizman and I had £150 million tied up in shares in Arsenal like he does and I offered Wenger £30 million to spend on players.
And I saw the shit served up saturday, he would be visiting my office tomorrow morning..
F**k me JonJon I like that..
Thanks buddy!
Does anyone think that if we’d of offered flamini the deal he wanted, sold adebayor and used the cash to get villa, we’d be in this situation in the 1st place.
Peaches, we went crazy because we were the only ones saying so all summer.
ANR came out and said we only had £25million to renew contracts and buy players and all the rest followed suit.
Le Grove did the math and said we had money… then Fiszman came out and backed our stance. Then ANR retracted the no money scenario and said they got it wrong.
Did Wenger come out and deny what Danny said? No…
Wenger was backing youth… as he said earlier in the summer.
haha! Nice one JonJon, good to have you on board. The more the merrier!
I’m going to put up the blog Xmas decorations soon!
We’ll have a nice festive tree!
I don’t like what is happening to our club one bit.
We are being lied to – I don’t agree with Arsenes behaviour because I think the safety of our club is in his hands but I don’t believe the board either.
From The Telegraph :
“It would be no problem at all,’’ said Fiszman, the club’s second largest shareholder. “It’s not our decision who he spends money on, nor will it ever be our decision. If he said to us ‘I want this guy and he’s £30 million, can I buy him?’ the answer is yes. Absolutely yes. We totally back him. It’s his decision. I’m unfortunately not good enough to be a manager myself but I’d love to be.’’
“There’s a dual problem for him. If we were to buy star names, you are talking about relatively mature players who need to be integrated into the way Arsene plays. They don’t know our style and it also impacts on the youngsters who’ve been brought through.’’
Arsenal fans have been upset at Wenger’s reluctance to spend substantial sums on players this summer, although Samir Nasri has arrived for £13 m. “There were great expectations and hopes that we would buy heavily this summer,’’ added Fiszman. “We’ve bought well. If Arsene could find the right player he would buy that player but at the moment he hasn’t. There’s still a little bit of time.’’
- That’s everything that was said and unless the Telegraph has spun it in some abnormal way it seems to say they give complete backing to Wenger whatever he chooses.
- I’d say that there is money, like we’ve discussed before, not something that could gurantee changes but say 20-30 million to be spent on the RIGHT players. Not any players, not apying over the odds for players that could maybe do a job, but players that Wenger would think could make the difference.
- Overall I’d say there is a mutal agreement between the board and Wenger that they’d approach the next couple fo seasons with caution as opposed to the wanton abandon other clubs have. To think about the future of the club rather than go from season to season.
If they put no pressure on Wenger to buy in January than that might prove to be the case, then again I keep thinking we’re going to get some Tottenham style overnight dismissal with someone like Roy Keane brought in, who seems to be a popular choice here on the Grove.
agreed peaches nobodies to trust but the main culprit in my eyes is the slippery french one
as stated he had money to keep the players here which he didn’t or at least let 5 go and still didn’t spend the original 25 mil (just for arguments sake)that was there for strengthening so again why no 25 mil signing
Flamini… He should have been sorted before his last year, but I don’t think anyone, even Wenger knew how good he was.
There seems to be a void once you reach the first team squad where you don’t play for the first team and you don’t play in the reserves.
If Wenger played Flamini a bit more in his correct position in the reserves he might have known how good he was in central midfield.
Or even loaned him!
JonJon – I’m sorry to have ignored you, you have said a lot of very sensible things tnite. I’m glad you’ve enjoyed your blogging.
Pedro – this is gonna run and run, we won’t know the truth until someone comes out and tells us
even then I won’t believe it!!!
Catch up with everyone tmoro, nite nite xx
August 25th:
“We do not have to worry about too many other players. I believe we have the needed squad and a strong squad. I believe in the players I have instead of always looking at who might be coming in.
August 27th:
“When you lose a game the solution is not always to buy,”
He wasn’t interested in buying.
The easiest thing in the world would have been to say, ‘I have no money’. If that was the truth… he would have said it.
Night Peaches!
Keyser, I think talk of Roy Keane is laughable on a grand scale.
Fair points on the Danny article. No one is asking Wenger to spend £100million of shit… we are just asking him to shift the age group he is currently targetting up a notch.
23-25… experienced, on the verge of great things.
JonJon
He is rebuilding this side from 2005. How much more time he really needs? 2010 You say. I respect Your opinion but in 2 years time it might be too late. You can imagine empty seats and our supporters turning back, and wanting Wenger’s head.
As for Your question. With Flamini and Villa Arsenal would play much better, but still it wouldn’t heve been enough to be in the first place. To win a trophy You need a quality defender and a quality goalkeeper.
P.S. JonJon-I see You are new here at Le Grove. I started writing a week ago, so I’m also new here. I like Your opinions and respect them, You seem to be a very intelligent and polite man. Keep up the good work. Welcome to the fold. Best wishes!
Your right about flamin avenall, i feel he deserved a new contract before the year he left, he was a consistent performer for the club whenever he played, but because of his style and his lack of big star rep nobody ever noticed him, but sometimes their the best players in your squad, the ones who go around doing the basics and never really get noticed in the game.
i remember the season we had the CL run to the final, flamini played at left back for most of it and did a fantastic job, the position wasnt his strongest but because of his energy and determination he handled it. we should of offered him a new contract then.
thats what i dont get, we jumped to offer ade an improved contract on the base of one good goalscoring season, which he will probably never match again, yet flamini was allowed to leave even though he’d proved himself as a good utility player a few seasons on the trot.
a total case of mis management.
I was hoping people were joking when they said “Roy Keane”..
Like “Ramos” and “David Pleat”… Please say they were!!!
this blog is great & i agree with jonjon… before i used to be down when we lose.. but now i can vent my anger.. geoff & pedro thanks guys….
Avenell, the William Gallas of management in my eyes!
JonJon, I think the Flamster had already made his mind up based on his treatment the summer previous to his departure.
It was still bad management in my eyes, but I think once a player is doing well… you can’t afford to drop him.
If we sold him in January and our title bid caved… everyone would be saying the same thing… bad management.
Catch 22.
No probs bini… you guys make this the place to be!
Jon Jon.. And he dropped Flamster in the final for Cashley even after what that tosser done..
And DD was in charge of contracts when he had 1 year left.. The hero who sold our club then tried to get in through the back door…
An announcement of I have no money to spend on new signings would have been regarded as insulting to the board, it is washing your dirty laundry in public, it’s fat boy Benitez. Wenger had a budget he chose not to spend it, putting his faith in project youth, the plan has failed, it’s time to spend the budget.
lol…catch 22 indeed!
Avenell
So what’s Your solution my friend? How many players do we need?(If any). What should Wenger do? What about a little bit of honesty from our board?
Keyser and Pedro- thanks for the research. Isn’t it weird, that members of our board always make this statements when we are safe and sure of our CL qualification?
Your right on that one Pedro.. he was too good to be dropped..
Nobody seems to have came out very well from the situation ..Flamini, Arsenal or the fans .
But don’t forget why he got in the team .. The south American tournament, it’s as much a pain in the arse as the ACN..
pedro.. the bad management of flamini was the fact that they should have put a condition on his 1st team appearance in Jan… they should put pressure to extend his contract….
the worst of all wasthe fact they didnt give Silva two year contract… he should have knowen better without cover for flamini the next best thing was Silva….. Fergie fought hard to keep ronaldo & Raffa threaten to quit if they didnt sign Mascherano (spelling not sure) yet Wenger is all over the place… he can not keep his best players & yet he doesnt fight to get players…..
I feel the same way as most about Bentner but if you were at the Sheffield United game (that’s different from watching it on the telly) you could have been forgiven for thinking that this kid could wear pink boots
Maciek, cheers mate
you have some fantastic points, i agree wenger has wasted enough time, but before he arrived we never played the football we do now. and lets not forget before wenger changed his policies, we won countless trophies, including the double double, and we went unbeaten for an entire season.
the man deserves a chance to turn it round, we know what he can do, but what i will say is that he needs to go back to the old ways. and not this project youth crap. i say 2010 bearing in mind he will start to rebuild properly and not with children, if we start to see quality signings in jan and next summer, then lets give him the time to get it right, which means one more season after this. if not and he continues to be stubborn, then yes, by all means lets get some fresh ideas in before 2010.
wenger seems to be lacking in ambition, its the boards job to put a rocket up his arse and say 4th place without a trophy every year is not good enough, but the board seem to be just as unambitious, they seem to be happy for wenger not to spend millions and just to qualify for europe every year, it suits them as it still brings in the pennies. the fact weve qualified every year wenger has been here has made the board and wenger complacent, complacency starts at the top, has a knock on effect to the team and we are seeing the same dribble every week from the players.
so this year is probably a good thing as it will scare the shit out of them all and changes will be forced.
London, I don’t think it would have been insulting.
‘Due to the expansion of the club, I don’t have large funds available to me. That’s not to say I wont in the future, but at the moment, I am focussed on progressing with the players I have.’
That would have been fine.
Surely asking Wenger to lie is more insulting?
Asking a man as well respected as Arsene to take the brunt of criticism for the boards mistakes sounds like an awful thing to do to someone?
Avenell, Flamini probably thinks he came out well of that deal: move to club of boyhood dreams, quadrouple salary, better climate, better food, speak the language of your father it goes on.
I forgot to mention the Italian women.
The Italian women
Maciek… I would build my team around Sagna. Clichy, Fabregas, Nasri, Vela, Eduardo, Walcott? Djourou, Rosicky, Wilshere, Ramsey, Almunia/Fabinaski soon.
The rest I would duck and dive with.
Sell a few buy a few. Have a shake up!
London, I’m not writing him off at the moment. He has had a shocking couple of months… but so has half the team.
I am sure he will come good at some point… how many people said Flamini was shite? Hleb was shite? Adebayor was shite?
It’s easy to ruin a player when he is playing badly…
London I thought he was a Juve supporter.. I may be wrong.
But you need to play..
London… I’d do the same. Milan or rainy old london for less money?
It’s a no brainer.
Avenell… I’d just support whoever gave me the fattest pay cheque.
I’m a mercenary blogger… what can I say?
You have been at this one for about an hour now Pedro. I don’t wont to make things worse. Top drawer post again.
there has been to many simulator parallels that has kepts us back among other things and not made the right steps to fix the problem.
like losing EDU and VIERA in the space of a Year.
and Losing FLAMINI and DIARRA in a even smaller space of time. and done Nothing.
that is bad Business on Wenger and the Boards part. on either not taking the right steps to keep them or Replace them.
Cheers London.
New topic please:
Avenell asked who you’d build your team around…
So who is good enough to stay?
Who would You like to bring to our club Avenell?
Good question
My keepers:
Theo
Cesc
Ade
Jack
Rambo
JD
Clichy
Sags
RvP
Vela
Bends
Eduardo
Oh shit… I am keeping nearly all of them!
Who would I let go:
Eboue
Song
Gallas
Fabianski
Sagna Clichy JD Toure
Rosicky Cesc Nasri Walcott Ramsey Wilshere
Eduardo Vela
the rest can go, raise extra funds, help clear the wage bill.
Pedro, would you really keep bendnter??? WHY?
He is a talented boy.
I think he has a lot to offer the club. He is low on confidence right now… but I think he’ll come good. I’ve seen enough of him to think he has something to offer. Maybe not now… but if we wrote every player off at 20, we’d be pretty light.
fabianski, Sagna, Clichy, Djourou, who is far more in Wenger’s plans than most people think, long term contract already signed etc. Fabregas..obviously, Ramsey, Nasri, Vela, Walcott, my kingdom for a fully fit and functioning Rosicky. I’m not precious about any of the others. I would keep the Bentners and Denilsons but our season should not be reliant on them.
Right now I don’t think anyone should go, if we’re going to do anything with the squad we have right now it should be build consistencty at least see the same players play each week, then players return from injury, the lesser players are relegated to the bench so we have competition for places.
At the same time anyone who gets put on the bench will have to work that bit harder to dispalce the person thats there, if there is still a problem in January and no positives can be drawn the places for strengthening will be even more prominent. Players who can’t get back in to the team will eventually be sold off anyway.
The saddest thing is, they type of players that we seem to need are probably just a couple of years away from actually being ready. Coquelin, Lansbury, Randall ? maybe.. Even that Jay Thomas but the way he’s going he’d be 7 ft tall by the time he reaches the first team.
I’m off to bed!
Have a great night everyone!
Pedro
I think we should buy a powerful centreback, cdm, and a attack minded midfielder, and a gk.
Given, Zapata, Upson, Cana, Appiah, and Arshavin.
I know it’s very controversial but since Cesc is our new Le Sulk I would sell him and play Rosicky or Nasri in his position. And Ramsey will be ready soon. We should sell Song, Gallas, Bendtner, Adebayor, Denilson, Diaby, Almunia.
My team:
Given
(Fabianski)
Clichy Zapata Upson Sagna
(Eboue)
(Kolo Djourou)
(Traore and
Silvestre)
Nasri (Jack W.) Rosicky Cana Arshavin
(Appiah, Coquelin) (Theo)
(Nasri and Ramesy)
Eduardo RVP
Vela Simpson
(Arshavin)
I dont think we’d miss him if he was sold, there are better players out there pedro, at a younger age too. Bendnter just doesnt seem to be able to do it for me, i see him as clumsy and lacking in concentration. in all the games iv seen him play i cant recall a single good thing iv seen him do, apart from pre season and in the reserves against weak opposition.
Maciek… We should have swapped Hleb for Yaya or no deal wih Barca, and swapped Ade for Eto’o. (I did say it in the summer honest).
Other than that anyone who can play football on the ground, in the style Spain won the Euro’s.
As I don’t think you need outstanding players the system will win most games..
Keyser, that is why I’d like to sign someone like Gattuso for a year or 2… he could have the Davids effect on us… and he’d command respect… he speaks English… has an idea about the British game and he is an absolute winner/animal.
On that note… I really am off!
We almost all chose the same players. I forgot Eduardo who every time you see his face at a game looks like he is gagging to play again.
Night Pedro.. and thanks again!!
London… I hope everyone goes easy on Eduardo we have made him some sort of cult figure. He went missing in a lot of games when he first came, he will need patience and I’m not sure if some Arsenal supporters have it..
avenell – Just going back to Roy keane for a second, sorry, but remember his comments on the media brainwashing people, I know that seems a bit far fetched but there seems to be a big difference in how quickly people seem to lose all faith in things today then several years ago.
Eduardo taking a few months to adpat would be the least we gave players in times gone by or am I wrong ?!
I thought eduardo was doing ok avenall, he was still getting used to the PL, and his movement and finishing was still excellent, i feel it will take him a while to get up to speed again, but by the time the business end of the season comes, he’ll be one of the deadliest strikers in the league.
We gave Charle Nicolas a few years Keyser, Don’t think they would now mate!
Cana please!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
He is an animal and a winner.
Ok, I know…………I Know, but evrytime I see him I think to myself- he is an Arsenal material-isn’t he?
But- it won’t happen.
Charlie Nicholas Whoops
Mackie.. I just checked his clip on utube & u got it spot on this is guy is the BEAST & he will bring terror to the PL & the shity teams will be shitting themsleve when they play us … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_bZAdOKhk
JonJon
I agree on Eduardo- I love him as a player, but it’s a midfield which creates goal chances for forwards. Eduardo can create something out of nothing( Adebayor is unable to do the same) but he can’t do it all the time.
Hi Bini.
Thanks for Your response. I watched him playing many times and he is our solution. And he have never received a red card. Problem is- Wenger should make his transfer true, when he was negotiating Nasri’s contract. And Cana is a OM captain. That just says something.
P.S. Cheers Bini. I “see” You for the first time here. You are doing a great job, so continue it. Best wishes.
*everytime, sorry
Maciek,
im with you on cana, iv wanted us to sign him since flamini left, id also like to see veloso arshavin and chellieni
Where you from JonJon?
mackie…thanks …. this is great site & a place to let off steam..
Cana fits the bill & also I am sure he would jump at once to come over …. without disrespecting OM but he would achieve far greater things with Arsenal
Im from Leeds mate, im a northern gooner,
what about you Avenall?
many thanks guys & good night…. on final note having Kiev in midweek is blessing & I hope it will help the team to come back to their best
also I hope we will get some sort of announcement soon to let us know the direction of the club….
I’m in Cornwall now near Newquay.. Used to live in Hertfordshire.
Is there many Gooners up there?
And is it true there is a blue Mc Donalds in Leeds coz Leeds hate Man U so much?
Night bini….
Haha, no its not true about McDs. Yes theres a few of us up here. i was born up here but my family are from london originally, i followed the family trait of being a gooner, been watching them with my grandad since 1984.
Isnt Jacky wilshere from hertfordshire?
Sadly he passed away year year we won the first double under wenger, he never got to see it, he was a hardcore fan, grew up in the chapman era.
You’d be suprised how many fans up here dont actually support leeds. It is a single club city yet really it doesnt have that many fans.
most people up here either support arsenal, liverpool, or man utd. haha quite ironic
i meant my grandad passed away not LJW.
Probably I’m alone since it’s post mid. in England but it won’t be a surprise for me if we lose to Kiev. They are a good side amd we are in decline. If we fail, our last game in Porto may be difficult.
*alone here
I would have loved to have heard some of your grandads stories. No one in my family even liked football.. Where was he from?
My old gal came from Leytonstone so I have a bit of Cockney in me, (on a clear day Geoff)..
Jacks from Stevenage, along with Ashley Young.
and Lewis Hamilton ( gooner).
Nine minutes to midnight Maciek..
JonJon, I didn’t think it was LJW… You know your Le Grove stuff mate..
Sorry Avenell.
Of course, there is a one hour differnce between England and Poland. My mistake, an apology. But You must admit- our CL match will be tougher than expected, and I feel it will be a very nervy match. But we should do it.
My prediction 2:1 to the Arsenal.
My grandad was from Islington, but got moved around alot during the war, he ended up in Leeds and stayed here. He hated wenger when he 1st started, but after the second season he said he could see he was going to be at arsenal a long time.
I still we think we should of gone for young before villa did. 9mil was a snip now.
Maciek,
i didnt realise you were polish mate, i think the CL brings out a different attitude in the players, they seem more up for that competition than they do for the domestic cups.
I’m going to say goodnight now fella’s.
Good night Avenell. Thanks for responses.
JonJon
Before I go. CL is a different league, but we are in real danger of being knockout if we fail against Kiev. That can be disastrous.
Anyway. Good night JonJon. Thanks for responses and till tomorrow. It was a pleasure to chat with You.
im off to bed now too, night everyone, nice talking to you all
I’m too. Once more. Night everyone.
the worst part about arsenals current woes is where do you start ?, the rot is so deep from the board – wenger – player problems – bad performances – bad sub’s – bad selections – lies – renegade captains – general lack of leadership ..sub standard players , where do you start ?
Focusing on the EPL table is a problem for me .. we need to hold on too C.L football
as much as i think losing it can only be good for us long term , as far as wenger will be forced into buying and admitting his project isnt working … but its a pricey cost too make when he should just admit by now (4 years ) that this team wont be good enough too challenge ..EVER!
i mean when you look at chelsea , rightly or wrongly they are packed with talent – experience and world class players , like barca – man U – milan and real … this is surely the model that has worked for over 20 years !
young players cannot just flick on a switch and become deco over night !
and down time is killing our game … killing the fans and killing our club !
i consider nasri – jack – ramsey – vela – cesc-sagna-johan – the fuck up king clichy .
all to be potential world class players ..
but the rest are just dragging us down to a aston villa – man city – everton LEVEL !
Something drastic is going too need too happen if we are to keep our club at the level that it has been at over the past decade ! Because we are now sliding …
down down down ..
we need a sell out sale and re-vamp the club .. keep the talent and fuck off the mediocre players . will it happen with the current board in place ? with our current manager ?
if the answer is no to the above, then the NO’s should be replaced with either new ownership or new management ..
it takes me back to the day when wenger told us ‘we were not in a transitional period’ !
what a ball busting lie that fucker was !
Ethan…..
You make some valid points…..
Even if he doesn’t have a clear out (which he won’t, you know it, i know it everyone does) and adds at least 2 proven players in Jan I really believe we can save something this season….
I say we cut our losses TRY and finish 4th and win a cup or 2…..
Having said that if Song and Bendtner start the next game then he’s officially lost it………
As @ the date 24/11/08, other clubs do not fear Arsenal anymore. Opposing coaches/managers prepare for Arsenal games with well thought out stratagies. Wenger is so predictable nowadays. Free flowing passing that can be countered because the teams he is putting out on the pitch includes substandard players like song, denilson, bendtner. etc.
And Wengers response is to be pig headed by sticking to his one and only game plan, believing that he has a devine right that it will work. Sure it will, but with quality players.
We all know he won’t buy big names. He continues to have faith in substandard players. He continues to moan about how hard done by his team is when they lose. What ever happedned to respect your opposition.
So, is Arsene Wenger still the man for the job?
If the size of Arsenal’s problems during the off season were equivalent to size of a single drop of rain water. Now 24/11/08 Arsenal’s problems are the size of a tropical storm, & getting gradually worse. Time for Le Remedy, & fast.
As for Roy Keane. I use his name as an example of The Club getting a new manager who is not long out of the modern game, & still with something to prove. Ofcourse that person must compliment the dynamics of the worlds 3rd richest club.
But who left @ The Club, other than AW, has the eye to be able to pick the right person for the job. A job to lift multiple trophies.
iceman
your right that is best case scenario ..
wenger needs to stop concentrating on the holy grail of football and get a good run going in the EPL
to ensure further existence in the C.L next season .. win the C.C , the f.a CUP .
AND RECRUIT WHAT CLASS HE CAN IN JAN .
but in the summer he needs to buy buy buy !
and not just 17 year olds !
GG
wenger is class .. i cant help but feel he still isnt the reason for this youth program .
its the board and there restrictions they put on wenger in the monetary sense .
ive seen wenger get all jealous over spending of other clubs and i put it down to envy …
you wouldn’t show envy and disgust at other clubs spending money if he truly believed his way was the best way ..
something is forcing his hand not to spend ! and it must be the boards tight fisted draconian ways about not sliding into debt that forces wenger on this way of lunacy ..
is he still the right man for the job ! oh fuck yeah !
providing the board give him now what he needs to resurrect the team …
i cant believe that wenger alone is the reason for all this youth rubbish and making surplus every year on transfers ! Im yet too meet an employee who hampers there own job by making it tougher on themselves , instead of just spending company money ..
His hand has to be forced into recruiting the way he does !
this result is just his way around his money restrictions the board put on him !
save money buy young take a bit of a gamble ..
(im sure he didnt take time into consideration )
thats why the board admit to not worrying about results .. because they know
he will get bums on seats in the stadium and make a shite load of $$$ in the taking .
im sure if wenger had it his way we would be spending just like the other top 4 ..
wenger wants too win at all costs .. sure, some of its now pride now..
but i think he knows himself
now that youth ONLY isnt the way ..
The team is not in a crisis we just need to buy cana, a winger and a big center half from eastern europe almost forgot and never play song, denilson or diaby and we will be ok. i truly feel wenger has lost his imagination the team selection was joke as soon as i and my brother saw the line up he said smting about us losing 2-0, he wasnt far off.
if wenger is still the boss next season we are fucked it will be the same bull shit for another 2-3 years. i have never seen a weaker mid field in years. i will forever support arsenal but wenger must go i hope we dont win anything so that he leaves as soon as possible. we need a manager with balls someone who will take diaby off at halftime and play J.W. and possibly ramsey in midfield. why play bendtner when you have a terrier in jay simpson ready to ran his ass off. We will beat chealsea and lose to whoever is next. the worst part is that we looked like a weakened fulham side.
FUCK THIS
Fuck the board for always feeding the fans with the busniness model crap. Fuck the values; the image; the word that they talk about, it don’t matter one bit.
Fuck the ‘CAPI’ for opening his bloody mouth at every wrong time; always choosing the worst moment to spit it out.
Fuck the the promises, each and every one of them, from the mouth of the manager to that of the board.
Fuck Flamini, Hleb and all those who left for money and Fuck the manager for getting those players without any ‘VALUES’ into the team..!
Fuck the ‘commitment’, ‘togetherness’, ‘beautiful football’, ‘deserved to win’, ‘refferee was shite’ and all the crap that comes out from the manager. Anf yea Fuck the
‘belief’; and did I mention the ‘togetherness’?
Fuck the Kids; always turning their performances a notch up in that damned cup of theirs always turning a notch up but never winning it.
Fuck Alex song; his high fives with Denilson against the sp*rs. Multipurpose player my ass.
Fuck Denilson, for always being ‘nearly’ there. Never turning up in a match that requires a fight. My grandma can pass the ball better than him on some days.
Fuck Nik, Robin and all the sissy strikers, turning out with their pink boots and not giving shit on the pitch. ‘Robin’, what a girlish name, we shouldn’t have signed the
Fucker in the first place.
Fuck the comparison with the old players; the ‘new Veiera’ and the ‘new Pires’.
Fuck Adebayor for thinking he is theirry henry, Fuck the manager for getting that greedy bastard into the team..!
Fuck Gael Clichey for being a player who plays his heart out and then continuing with those silly mistakes of his. Cut the crap son, my love for you is receding at
the moment.
Fuck theo, always performing for england and being so incosistent for us; and yea Fuck that bloody shoulder of his once and for all.
Fuck the boss for ‘believeing’ in the kids..
Fuck the boss for not buying the players just to save a couple of Million on Alonso, Barry and numerous others..
I say Fuck em all…..
ok so at the end I would like to say well done to the Arsenal supporters who are always at the grove to support our team. Going away to Manchester this week, you guys rock and make us all proud! I know the team has let us down, but keep the faith and give the boss time till January. Hopefully he knows now that he fucked up big time..let us stay by their side in this tough time and hope that we can turn it around and then go and buy some suitable players in January!
ethan
You might be right. The Board seem more interested in their financial interests.
Its time The Board woke up to the fact that the fans, in particular the paying ones, i.e season ticket holders, measure the value of money invested in The Club by the number of trophies won @ the end of the season.
Afterall, the most important factor for a football club is the “season fixture list”, not the “financial year”.
xeeez
I’m going round & round in circles. One minute I think its Mr wenger; then The Board. Its doing my head in to be honest
GG..Honestly I think its Song
theres a number of reasons why it has to be the board GG
1. we never spend money on a quality player like nasri until we got the money from hleb .
2. we got dudu-sagna after TH 16 million was in the bank ..
3. why would wenger hand a dividend back to the board each season and never spend his transfer kitty !
4. does a transfer kitty even exist ?
this is conditioning im sure .. maybe it started with the boards restrictions and now wenger feels he owes it too the players to not re neg on his promises to them ! rather let them crash and burn this season so he can justify selling them …
i think we have covered all bases and the truth is somewhere in there ..
it would be nice to know the truth …
maybe someone should come out and tell us wengers inside dealings ..
just let it not be cesc or we wont have a captain too choose from
maybe gallas can tell us , he has nothing too lose !
i still feel sorry for the guy ! he is being blamed for this woeful season and personally i dont blame him coming out to defend himself !
also why would PHW be discussing gallas’s future with wenger after the C.L game if wenger had 100% control of this team ????
hmmmm
valid points you make ethan, valid points.
I do think Cesc would make a great captain. He would then have more influence in who is in & who is out, i.e DM that suites his style.
So why is AW going along with all this if it is the board?
Shouldn’t he (so to speak) put his foot down and say mate your ruining my rep…..unless they’ve bought his loyalty?
We’re not gonna win shit with Song/Denilson/Bendtner.
yes when your getting 6 mill a year ,
i wouldnt be too bothered
would you ?
Not at all!!!!
I’d do it for 20% of that
So what does that mean….if we actually don’t have any money to spend coz of our miserly board?
Is he gonna keep buying kids and persisting with wankers & co……… Song/Bendtner etc….
Is there any light at the end of the tunnel?
hey iceman
you never can be too sure if it isnt 100% wenger ?
but what has he got to gain from this experiment ?
odds on there was always more too lose from this gamble !surely ?
the selling of the invincibles ALL OF THEM ! must of got the club a small fortune !
replace them with juniors for next too no money spent ..
and then give the board a dividend after every transfer window for the past 3-4 years .
spending FA in the process !
i can see who is benefiting from his actions .. and it isnt his stature – or the team winning accolades !
all actions are pointing towards the board ! and making them a small fortune !
sure youll find a few diamonds in the rough !doing what he’s doing ..
but youll find a few song’s along the way too !
and how damaging has it been playing 2nd rate players @ arsenal ?
and i dont think this is hind sight ! we have been doubting wenger now for 3 years ..
i just think this season most fans have said enough is enough i cant see were your taking us !?
I think Dein probably pushed the board to go with Wenger’s spending plans in the past, but without him they have been too cautious and thrifty to back the manager in truth.
Maybe Yankee Stan has woken them up a bit and made it clear that money must be spent on the team. We can only hope so…
The only way we’ll know is if 31st Jan there’s no new players in then he’s done and we need to get someone else or this transition period will keep going on and maybe we’ll get the new Song by then.
I would say that if there are no new signings by 31/01/2009, Le Grove will break the record for comments on 1/02/2009
oh god, not another repeat of the summer…. if there is any justice in this world, all our business will be completed on the 1st of January!
How are we gonna know though if he intends to strengthen in Jan?
iceman..we are not gonna know! its as simple as that..I hope he knows though..
Seb don’t expect any signing on the 1st..he will wait for the prices to go down if he is going to get anyone..you can call it ‘NO PANIC BUYING’ in ARSICTIONARY!
its going to be pretty hard to find any clubs wanting to let go of key players ..
thats the real problem !
i dont think we will get any player who is worth their salt in jan . why would any club in the world release a GOOD player ( which we must presume it must be too make a difference to us ? )
appiah if on a free would be good .. but we could of already secured him any time , if he is out of contract ..
but i cant see any player of any value joining us in jan . Well not for what wenger will want to pay .
and you will always pay over the odds for someone in the middle window !
i wont be surprised if wenger gets no one !
but if that’s the case play ramsey – vela- johan and jack now !
make it clear that the songs etc. should be worried !
they should be giving 100% in training !
for the hope they get another chance too impress wenger .
the only way we will get someone good next month , is if someone is almost out of contract and wont re-sign with there current club .. and we snap them ..
99% of the top clubs will have all there key players on long contracts ( like flamini
) so i cannot fathom who wenger might get who will make a shred of difference to the rest of our season …
Van Buyten’s name has come up…..for Jan too….and he’s a beast of a defender…..
Also we could trade Gallas for a DM from France (anywhere but England right)….
Didn’t we sign Theo/Barn door/Diaby in Jan?
There is hope then…………..
i cant see wenger not buying in january! he knows fine well we are fucked for the league and the FA cup and champions league are still up for grabs so in reality we could still win a trophy. But not with the players we have… wenger knows this and although he is the most stubborn cunt ive ever seen, there is no way in hell he wont buy in january.
If rumours are true that he is going to give the captaincy to cesc then cesc’s first words as capatin to wenger should be….BUY A DM IN JANUARY OR YOU CAN STICK YOU CAPTAINCY!!! IM DOING TO MUCK FUCKING DEFENDING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE GAME.
I so hope you’re right Kenny……..
ethen the only way we will get someone next month is if Santa brings someone down the chimney
Theo/Barn door/Diaby in Jan?
and what difference did they make that year?
Bang on Kenny, Ethan Theo and Diaby will come good if they’re played in the right position.
I’ll be back in 2 hours, enjoy today post.
seb
we might get someone sure , but will it make a difference ?
i think if he isnt recruited from the EPL the said recruit wont make an impact at all !
Nothing…….that I can think of……….but would you rather have 1-2 players coming in or none at all?
upson rumors wont go away , but other than replace gallas i dont think
defenders are the real problem …
a DM and top class striker , even a goalie should be the key issues here
also gallas will play on tuesday , so i dont think he will leave immediately .
and if he does leave, it will be just another experienced player leaving us for cash that will
disappear into the black hole with the rest of the transfer funds from the past .
Yeah Geoff I think theo and diaby will come good too. But theo is out for a few months and wenger wont play diaby in the right position. I honestly think diaby would be a fantastic DM…. he could also be cover for cesc….. If wenger had any brain he would train diaby for both roles. Diaby is strong and skillful…. Play him in cesc’s postion when cesc is unavailible and play him along side cesc when cesc is availible. But just make sure when he is playing DM he doesnt go wondering upfront all the time. He is already a natural attacking CM so why not train him to be able to do both? Im sure it cant be that hard to train a player to a new position….. wtf else do they do all day in training?
ethan…. all he needs to do is find someone that is big, strong. The problem with players adapting to the EPL is because its very physical…… you buy a player than can put his weight about and problem solved
dont need a player with flair just a no no nonsense cunt. to play DM
have any of you guys read what lee dixon wrote,after he spoke to wenger at the training ground.he said wenger wanted to take the captaincy off gallas in the summer but was SCARED to.what does that show us.
Also i think our players should be spending more time in the gym trying to bulk themselves up. Sagna, Gallas, Silvestre are fine but clichy may benifit from a few more pounds of muscle. Theo could be a beast. Can you imagine if he built himself up like a 100m sprinter???
And RVP is a skinny cunt although he is quite strong already
Clichy is a LOT bigger than he used to be kenny, and Theo is still only 19, not many people have bulked out at 19 and especially not small skilful striker/winger types. We can’t rely on children for muscle!
another thing the invinsibles if i remember correctly went through the whole season without any major injuries.now look at us now i don’t recall so many injury prone players.our so called best starting 11 hasn’t existed all season.
ethsn I think just about every player at the top level of football is aware of the premiership and the style that is required to compete with the best – high pace, combative, one touch football. We won’t buy another shrinking violet, we have enough of those already – if we are going to spend, it will surely be on a mentally and physically tough specimen, wherever they are from. My money’s on Belgium!
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