So Arsenal are 10 points off the pace, we’ve managed to pick up 5 defeats already this season… oh and we are 1 point ahead of Hull.
Crisis anyone?
This situation we find ourselves in is simply not good enough for a club like Arsenal.
I don’t care how close the kids are, I don’t care how much money we make or how fantastic our new stadium is… I care about results, some section have forgotten about that but in fairness, we’ve been spun into thinking that having a good business model and acting ethically out weighs competing on the pitch. Our Chairman told us it isn’t all about trophies, that statement was echoed by the manager… hold the back page a minute… if management are thinking that way, is it a surprise the players are?
I demand my team competes for trophies every year… If you don’t subscribe to those values, why do you support a team in a competition… why buy the most expensive ticket in football? I can’t imagine there was a period when Arsenal fans were happy with average?
Sadly we’ve not been competing for the best part of 4 years. We had a good year last year, but that squad was too light to last the pace… then we lost some key members of that small squad of players, Wenger didn’t deem it necessary to replace them and we are where we are now as a result of that.
This is clearly the worst crop of players we’ve ever had under Arsene Wenger… and I’m not talking about ability, I’m talking about the attitude balance. We’ve been lumbered with a Captain who clearly had mental problems at his old club, we’ve got a star striker who thinks it is ok to head butt a team mate during a game and we’ve got a whole host of other players who just aren’t up to top 4 standards… and you know what summed it all up for me? Nik Bendtner turning up in Pink boots.
For me it just shows a complete lack of respect for the team and the fans… I know you probably think I am going off on a tangent here… but there are certain things you don’t do in football when your team is playing shite… wearing Pink boots is one of them. Let me explain…
It smacks of arrogance that a 21 year old player thinks he is talented enough to make Pink boots look good. It also shows that as a player, he is more concerned about how he looks rather than how he plays. Why else would you wear something that so obviously spits in the face of convention? It’s a completely egotistical thing to do in my eyes… when your team is on a downer, you tell your sponsor to piss off when they ask you to market their new fairy boots, especially when you’ve been playing poorly. Those boots were a complete joke and they summed up our performance yesterday.
This was the line-up:
Almunia
Hoyte Silvestre JD Clichy
Diaby Song Denilson Nasri
Nik RvP
I thought that was a poor selection and I said so in the comments.
Firstly, Diaby has problems breaking into the team because of Cesc… even though he has looked a lot more threatening over the last few weeks. So why not pair him with Denilson? When has Diaby ever shown any sort of ability out wide? A stupid decision in my eyes.
Secondly… Why was Song even playing? I always try and defend players because I want to believe they have something and I hate to write people off. However, if I was an insurance claims specialist… I’d take one look at the wreckage that is Song’s ability and assume there must have been some sort of horrific accident… I’d write Song off and pay Arsenal the sum of his value before the accident (About £27). There is just no hope… no chance of reworking him into a player that can wear the red and white of Arsenal.
I’ve got a good mind contact Phil Woolas (Labour Immigration Minister: woolasp@parliament.uk) and ask how the hell Song was granted a work permit on the basis of exceptional talent. Especially as Wenger has gone on record saying we couldn’t sign a 19 year old RONALDINHO due to permit issues!
I’m sorry, but Song is a walking calamity and he has been since he arrived. The very fact that he is in the first team squad should tell you how low Wenger has let his standards drop since the introduction of ‘Project Youth’.
Back to team selection.
If you move Diaby into the middle… why not stick Rambo in at right midfield? At least he has the ability to play there… at least he has energy and creative flair. He is flying at the moment and has the confidence and ability to change a game… if he tired after an hour (A 17 year old athlete should not tire after 2 games in 4 days), sub him and bring Jack on for 30 mins. Wenger seems to be insistent on sticking round pegs in square holes and it is not working.
As for the striking combo… well… what the hell has Nik done to justify a start? He has been beyond dreadful this season and my patience is wearing thin with him. Rolling onto the pitch with his fairy boots clearly put him into character as he played like Tinkerbell, it was embarrassing. Matt Le Tissier was really quite riled by the arrogance of Nik wearing those boots… he said something like,
‘You simply don’t wear boots like that until you have done something in the game.’
I make him totally right. He hasn’t done anything for the club this season and I am at odds to why Wenger didn’t pick Carlos Vela? At least Carlos looks interested in scoring goals. When he came on late he wanted the ball to his feet and he wasn’t afraid to pull the trigger… unlike the sluggish Dane who is so low on confidence he is scared to shoot.
I thought the team looked rudderless and utterly unimaginative. They played with all the attacking flair of a Sam Allardyce team. RvP was woeful and looked completely detached from the team… he is like the odd piece in the jigsaw… no one seems to be able to read him and to be honest, I don’t know what his game is all about?
Samir Nasri was anonymous and a bit lazy. He just seems to wander around the pitch doing a great job of doing naff all. There is a real lack of productivity in his game when he is off his game. At least Hleb would run his socks off and create openings… Nasri doesn’t have that game yet… but what can you expect after 3 months?
Almunia was back to his dreadful worst. He was lobbed for Robinho’s goal when perhaps he should have been off his line a bit quicker and he was also lucky to get away with spilling a tame shot in the second half.
I think my biggest worry of the day was Clichy. He has gone from being Mr Reliable to Corporal fuck up in the space of 6 months. His mistimed clearance led to the first City goal… but to be honest, it was coming and we all knew it.
‘We lacked the maturity to deal with being in a dominant situation’
I don’t remember being in a dominant postion and If we lacked maturity, whose fault is that? Excuses like that aren’t acceptable anymore… you had all summer to rectify a lack of maturity.
So, enough moaning… onto the solutions.
Well, there really is only one… and that is play the Carling Cup stars. If your first team can’t cut it and your reserve team can… there is only one option. Ship out the under performers and replace them with on form young pretenders who are hungry to take their places.
Bring in Rambo, bring in Jack and bring in Vela. It’s not a top 4 solution, but I’m afraid due to our piss poor strategy this summer… it’s the only solution.
Long term, it is clear what Arsene has to do. He must return to doing what he has a proven track record of doing. He has to go out and purchase £30million worth of ‘nearly world class’ talent. He needs to sign them in January, get them settled and then see where he is in the summer. We need at least three or four 25 year old internationals with Champions league experience. We need a Keita in midfield, a proper winger and a centre back that strikes fear into not only the opposition… but his team mates.
I don’t want to hear that these players don’t exist, because the world is a pretty huge place and we are supposed to have the best scouting network around. Go out and ask about De Rossi, Arshavin or Chillieni… go and raid Madrid’s subs bench… ask Inter whether they’d let Adriano go and maybe help him reinvigorate his flagging career. I’m not saying those players are the answer… just that their are players out there, because everyone else seems to be finding them.
Wenger should do what he does best… make nearly players world class. Give up on Project youth, it’s a dead duck. Only the best players deserve a chance at Arsenal FC.
One more point I’d like to make… players should be judged on ability, not on their date of birth. Flogging players who have hit 30 is poor management. Would we be in the same situation if Gilberto had stayed this summer? I doubt it. He was still a world class player when you sold him and he would have made a great captain.
Arsene… we’re asking you to return to your old ways, because watching this team collapse in front of our eyes is sickening and if you continue to stubbornly pursue your dream… things will only end in one way. I do not want you sacked, but I do want to see a change in club policies. This can only happen by employing a new CEO. The task shouldn’t take over a year and it shouldn’t be decided by Wenger. He shouldn’t even have a say on it and I hope that is the case. Selecting your own boss is a bit counter productive. We want someone to kick the club on… not agree with everything Emperor Wenger dictates.
I’ll leave you with a Wenger quote.
‘In a big club you have to go through these periods, and how we deal with it will shape our future.’
UEFA Cup football, sub standard players and empty seats were never part of the future… and I hope you are the man to keep it that way.
Happy Sunday Grovers… at least all 4 of our rivals dropped 2 points!
November 23, 2008 at 9:02 am
Chins up Gooners
November 23, 2008 at 9:07 am
Pedro your post has started like my last 5 comments, Now I will go back & finish reading
November 23, 2008 at 9:08 am
I think we need to spend more than 30 mil
November 23, 2008 at 9:17 am
We need more of Wilshere
November 23, 2008 at 9:17 am
Hi
November 23, 2008 at 9:19 am
That is a top post. There is no doubt about it. I actually didn’t notice the pink boots though, probably coz my hands were covering my eyes ervery time the sloth went near the ball.
We said Pedro.
November 23, 2008 at 9:20 am
I mean well said Pedro
Geoff come back we need you
November 23, 2008 at 9:25 am
Great Post Pedro
The answer is
Out
Song, Bendtner, RVP
In
Vieira, Barry, Ireland, Villa…..
Job Done.
November 23, 2008 at 9:26 am
£30M on players….. I wish! He’s got to do something… but we’re a long long way off January….
One thing’s for sure, we need some direction. You can’t expect a group of boys to recover from this without some leadership.
I’d love to see him splash the cash (my ticket has certainly gone up…. maybe just for Ade’s wage rise grrrrrrrr)
But let’s face it, we’ll have to ship out before we ship in. it’s the Wenger way….
And who the fook is going to buy Song from us???
Bring back Matty Upson! Oh that’s right……. he’s English : (
November 23, 2008 at 9:27 am
Denilson was doing a charity today saying mr. pls take the ball I am fucking lost and don’t know what to do with this sphere thing. I can’t remember if he passed a ball to a guy in red and white. Although BENDTNER gave an assured performance. Assured in that sense that he assured we won’t score. Big balls a cunt. And he lost his first touch in his goirlfriend’s pussy the night before. As for RVP I don’t remember him was he part of the team? Almunia was sleeping tonight. Ramsey looked like a star and a lion when he came on. Ramsey for the armband.
November 23, 2008 at 9:28 am
This is my match analysis
November 23, 2008 at 9:28 am
It is always clever to critise one’s team after the event, and some comments last night were perhaps posted in the heat of the moment,me included,but I have been saying since before the season started,that we would struggle this season,purely through having a small squad and not enough experience in the squad.
To be honest I didn’t think our downfall would happen so quickly,and the outburst by Gallas(though what he stated to an extent is true)couldn’t have happened at a worse time,and these things should be kept behind closed doors,and therefore what he did is breaking the unwritten code of a captain who is meant to be the mouthpiece of the manager on the field.
If there really was money available in the summer and he didn’t spend it,then Wenger must take full responsibility.City are no great shakes,having lost 7 games already,though in truth the score flattered us.Ireland is on fire and Robinho’s lob was equisite.We were woeful,our passing was terrible and it was plain to see that the whole team lacked passion and played with no direction.Gallas will most probably play next week,but will be off in January back to France.
Top 4 is out of the question,though the board is blind to question Wenger.Some idiots are all ready saying Wenger should be sacked,but he must be given the chance at least this season,one can’t live on past glories forever.Teams now actually want to play us,as opposed to thinking we are a hard side to beat.difficult times ahead,but i have seen it all before.
As i said last night we have a team of kids playing with boys.
Wake up arsene and bring in the kids who have a passion to play now,it can’t be worse than what we saw yesterday.
November 23, 2008 at 9:31 am
The only promblom with replacing the first team with the kids is that we will find ourselfs inthe same shit we are in now no leaders no experence young players need role modles too devlope.
good post pedro
November 23, 2008 at 9:34 am
Bring in the kids………. what and get kicked off the park week in week out??!!!
It doesn’t matter who wear’s that red and white, they have to play with passion, with commitment.
It’s time they stood up and be counted, starting with Tuesday. and finishing with the Chelski.
Even if we get beat 4 - 0, i want us to show some bottle.
We need some leadership, I hope the fans recognise we’re in a difficult period and support our boys…….. we can’t afford to turn the Grove into another Boooing Wembley….
We need to support them until we loose our voices, or at least until we get a new bunch in January ; )
November 23, 2008 at 9:34 am
morning guys, can i get your opinion on something?. jorno patrick barkley has just been on sky sports news. he said that wengeer told him he tried very hard to strenghten the team in the summer but…’the FA’s rules on agents didnt help him’? what do you think that means? what sort of rules are there? is it more likely to be south american players?….just a bit puzzled.
November 23, 2008 at 9:34 am
I truely don’t understand the midfield we put out. Why the hell Ramsey didn’t get a start in these circumstances is beyond me
We used to call Bendtner ‘Big Balls’ because of his arrogance and because we still believed in him, that he had the ability to back it up. I’m not sure I believe that anymore, and I’m not sure he’s a good presence in the dressing room.
That said after gallas I’m not sure who is anymore. Ade, RvP anyone? I don’t know what’s going on at the club but from the outside looking in its total meltdown, and it begins with Wenger. He has to show leadership, get this group of players focussed and together. Drop who needs to be dropped and give the young turks at the club their chance, because by the look of them they will take it ith relish.
This can be turned around. The rot just needs to stop, the players need to show some balls and the team needs to go on a run. Lets get back in the habit of winning and opposing teams back to expecting to lose. I hope tales of Arsenal’s demise have been greatly exagerrated, because it is a squad that bristles with talent, it just needs a fucking backbone, and it is Wenger that has to give it one
November 23, 2008 at 9:35 am
Morning all..
Excellent post lads!!!
And the options on your poll are very fair..
I would just like to say that a few of us want to see Wenger turn this around because we feel this is the best thing for the future of Arsenal football club..
Just because we are a bit more patient with him, doesn’t mean we support Arsenal any less than the ones who want a knee-jerk reation and want him out.
November 23, 2008 at 9:36 am
Kelsey
its as if black is opposite to white
if wenger buys he should stay
if wenger does not buy in january he is Gordon Brown
November 23, 2008 at 9:36 am
WEnger just said I DON’T BELIEVE IN LEADERSHIP. I BELIEVE IN PASSING THE BALL.
November 23, 2008 at 9:38 am
good post.
I dont want the boss out tho.
His team selections are baffling.
Yesterday, I would not blame any player for attitude except Nik and Song.
Nikki has had a few headers and ppl started drolling over the prospect, I have never found anything in him which can bring him close in ability to Ade, and Ade has a long long way to go to be anywhere near a world class “finisher”. He is a great target man tho. a target man with unusually quick feet, thats all.
Nikki has absolutely nothing to be proud about, he should have been looking to work hard and run and run, instead I am growing sick of that disinterested look on him.
Song: I have said all that i have said, he is best used as a squad player, a backup CB. nothing else.
Denilson was woeful, but playing alongside song even ronaldinho would struggle. Same with RVP playing alongside Nik.
Almunia lacks confidence but I dont think playing Fabianski is a solution either. Almunia has to improve and carry the team as the senior most player.
I am afraid playing the carling cup team would ruin their confidence, and I dont want cc performances to be muddled up.
Rambo and Vela have to be used, esp Rambo in the midfield.
Tough times, the boss has shot himself in his foot with the faith and captaincy issue.
November 23, 2008 at 9:39 am
People are dreaming if they thing that the old wenger magic is going to pull through here, if he won’t spend.
If he won’t spend. if he won’t spend
November 23, 2008 at 9:42 am
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November 23, 2008 at 9:43 am
9 Players out injured/suspended…… 11 playing with little or no confidence……..
He has to spend….. he has too!!!!
November 23, 2008 at 9:44 am
Since we’re in crisis, there is one man we used to turn to for the goals we needed to win games, someone that finished the great football off. I would love it if Henry came back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdo4ED0L0nI&feature=related
Bring back Henry in January!
November 23, 2008 at 9:45 am
I’ve had enough of this. The AFL draft is a week away, & I’m a Richmond tragic “as well”. I’m going to keep an eye on things with Mr Pig Headed. But i’ll be phucked if I’m going to bang my head against a brick wall.
November 23, 2008 at 9:46 am
Denilson is shocking…………worse than Song.
He would not start for any team in the top 10 in the prem. We got lucky with Flam last year and Wenger thinks its going to happen again.
Rambo played 20mins and looked better than Denilson who has started basically every game.
What has Diaby got to do to start in the middle. Nasri and Vela sould be our starting wide player.
November 23, 2008 at 9:46 am
Viera, Upson and Henry back……….
I think i just woke up from a wonderful dream : )
Sadly…. it was just a dream : (
November 23, 2008 at 9:47 am
Bendner is shit as well.
So is Silveter, what a waste of 750k
November 23, 2008 at 9:47 am
My Thoughts on Why we are where we are
1) We have a Board that sets no targets, and that agrees with the Manager that winning Titles is not everything!!!
We lack Idols. I am not at an age where I put a name on the back of my Arsenal shirt anymore, but if I did, there is not really anyone there to fall in love with as a player. There are some potentials coming through but the 1st team squad is devoid of personality. As I was getting to the end of that age I struggled to choose between Vieira, Pires, Freddie, Bergkamp and Henry. Our Merchandising must have taken a hit.
2) We have a Manager that says that winning Titles is not everything
3) We have young players that hear 1 + 2 and think oh, we dont have to win anything
4) We have a Manager that makes ridiculous claims in post match interviews, which seem to blame everything else apart from himself. It is disrespectful to us, the opposing Manager and team that got their tactics right, and the players can see through it, They are not stupid. To say we were unlucky to concede 3 yesterday is stupid, I thought we were lucky it was only 3
5) We have favorites and undroppables. How Nic Bendtner and Song play any higher than reserve team football is beyond me.
6) I am all up for playing potential talent, but play the potential talent and not just the ones that show time after time that they are not and will not ever be Arsenal Quality
7) Our balance of strikers is wrong. We do not have a World Class Striker. The closest we had was Ade who is still to convince us that he is over his summer tantrums. RVP is inconsistent and has a top tally of 13, Eduardo is yet to prove his worth (Not his Fault), Vela is developing and Nic Bendtner is woeful. I think in particular there is an Ego problem in Ade, RVP and Nic and it is not helpful. We need to ship at least one of those 3 out and get 1 World Class Player in. I want David Villa or Huntelaar.
9) We lack Leaders throughout the team, I know I harp on about the invincibles but we had leaders packing that team, Campbell, Toure (who has gone backwards), Vieira, Gilberto, Bergkamp and Henry who were all capable of taking the armband. We now seriously have none. Instead we make excuses as to why someone should get when in reality a natural Leader will stand out and be picked accordingly. Again a couple of contenders in Djourou and Ramsey are coming through but we need them now.
10) We failed to replace Campbell, Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg, Bergkamp and Henry with adequate replacements. Yet the right players like Ribery, Barry, Villa, Kompany, Van der Vaart, Etoo etc were all available during those years yet we the policy stopped it. Now it will cost us a huge outlay to get back where we should be
11) We keep giving him time with no real fan protest at what is going on. We need to start saying it how it is….No more Excuses Arsene, you are in danger of doing a Cloughie it is time for Action and you have to ask yourself if you are up for it, as if not you need to move on
There are others but I feel my blood boiling, I am honestly so angry with where we are
November 23, 2008 at 9:49 am
Eddie to comeback, Sissoko was good last night for Juve, be good to get him
November 23, 2008 at 9:51 am
come back matt we need you
http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/72461/Zola-struggling-to-keep-Upson
November 23, 2008 at 9:56 am
Great Great Post. You are spot on about the arrogance of those pink boots. Sadly for Arsene to change his mind things will have to get a lot worse. Has anyone seen such a stubborn manager before? A manager who was offered money to buy players and said no? He has become obsessed…With himself I suppose.
November 23, 2008 at 9:58 am
Excellent, excellent post Pedro. Good reading on a depressing Sunday. I think you’ve summed up perfectly what every literate Arsenal fan has on his mind. Watching yesterday’s game was absolutely sickening, I would never have thought that in such a short time-span we would go from being invincibles to embarrassing shit-kickers. I can’t believe how bad every single player in our playing squad was, I won’t even bother going into that as they were so bad it’s not worth it.
I am now resigned to the fact that until some kind of dramatical change takes place (I’ll leave it open to your imagination here) we won’t win anything. When I say anything, I mean anything! Premier league: gone, CL: no chance, FA Cup, will fuck up somehow, Carling Cup: worst case scenario = losing to sp*ds again…
Over the past four years Arsenal has been in decline. Wake up you fucking useless money-grabbing board of directors! Wake up you stupid french cunt! It’s not working! Your plan to make more money by spending less is backfiring. We’re actually spending more and will be making less because the way things are going Arsenal are gradually losing their ‘entertainer’ status. Things are changing in English football, and as much as it pains me to say this we also need change. Wenger, you were fantastique but no more. Pity the fans Arsenal FC, we have invested tens of thousands of pounds in you (my family has done so over since Arsenal was first founded, on both sides I am fourth generation). And I don’t want people to give me any shit like, “remember what we used to be like, and ask you grandpa and dad about how long we went without winning thing, and Wenger is god etc etc” My first Arsenal game at highbury was 23 years ago. No commitment, no passion, no belonging, hopefully the credit crunch will destroy the English premier league and all these foreign players will fuckoff back home and then maybe we’ll be able to get home grown players who are also from an Arsenal supporting family for us. Players who have red and white flowing through their vains.
IF ANY AFC PLAYERS COME ACROSS THIS POST PLEASE PLEASE REALISE THAT YOU ARE A COMPLETE EMBARRASMENT TO THIS CLUB, THAT YOU ARE UNWORTHY OF THE SHIRT YOU WEAR WHILE ATTEMPTING TO CONVINCE US THAT YOU CARE. GO HOME, TAKE THE MONEY AND GO HOME YOU LAZY, UNDERTALENTED, UNCOMMITTED, SPINELESS, GREEDY SONS OF WHORES.
November 23, 2008 at 9:58 am
I think that is worst starting XI i have seen in my 31years of being a gooner…
Its sad when you look at opposing team & wish you had 6 or 7 of their players in your team? Robinho, Ireland, Richards, Hart, Wright-Phillips would all walk into our first XI
We have gone from legends Bergkamp, Pires, Vieira & Henry too players like Bendtner, Denilson, Song & Adebayor!!?????????
Im really sick & tired of Wengers excuses & lies… I cant even bear to watch him look pathetic & lost on the sidelines anymore!!
When u have nothing to lose why not start Ramsey, Jack & Vela?????
Has anyone other than Cesc Fabregas got any balls at Arsenal FC anymore? & i dont just mean the players i know Wenger hasnt but who else at Arsenal makes the decisions??? Arsenal FC are fast becoming a joke & i dont see it ending anytime soon!!!!!
November 23, 2008 at 9:59 am
after watching yesterday’s match i wonder if its time for ramsey to have a good run in the team. Denilson has been given his chance and flopped…..its only fair that Ramsey has his chance too!!! he was the only positive thing that i could think of after the match!!!!!!!!!!!!! JD was not bad either
November 23, 2008 at 9:59 am
good morning……
A very true post….
get rid of Song and Nikk as soon as possible and about his pink shoes he has to wear them because of contract but i don’t care hat colour of shoes he wears as long as he does not miss those chances…. these two players are a liability….
November 23, 2008 at 9:59 am
Two unemployed guys are talking. One says, “I’m going to become a lion tamer.”
The other replies, “That’s crazy, you don’t know nothing about no lion taming.”
“Yes I do!”
“Well, OK, answer me this. When one of those lions comes at you all roaring and biting, what you gonna do?”
“Well, then I take that big chair they all carry, and I stick it in his face until he backs down.”
“Well, what if the lion takes that big paw, and hooks the chair with them big claws, and throws that chair out of the cage? What do you do then?”
“Well, then I takes that whip they all carry, and I whip him and whip him until he backs down.”
“Well, what if that lion bites that whip with his big teeth, and bites it in two? What you gonna do then?”
“Well, then I take that gun they all carry, and I shoot him.”
“Well, what if that gun doesn’t work? What will you do then?”
“Well, then I pick up some of the shit that’s on the bottom of the cage, and I throw it in his eyes, and I run out of the cage.”
“Well, what if there ain’t no shit in the bottom of the cage? What you gonna do then?”
“Well, that’s dumb. Cause if that lion comes at me, and he throws the chair out of the cage, and he bites the whip in two, and my gun don’t work, there’s going to be some shit on the bottom of that cage, you can bet on that.”
November 23, 2008 at 10:03 am
Morning all, I’m too pissed off to post, Pedro asked me to police. I can’t understand why the papers don’t pick up on how back Song actually is, he is the reason we play so bad, it’s like playing with 10 men and one of there players in that 10, I’ve never seen a player give the ball away so much.
Wenger now is just becoming a petulant child and refuses to see his mistakes, it happens through history, it happens with boxers, it happens with heads of states, see what you are doing wrong, stubborness is not an attractive or particularly intelligent quality.
November 23, 2008 at 10:06 am
wenger should play toure in midfield with ces with nas and wilshere on the wing
November 23, 2008 at 10:08 am
Passion fuelled Timmy, but you forgot to include the manager in your last paragraph, playing Song in all his sides puts him at the top of that list in my book.
November 23, 2008 at 10:10 am
Hill-Wood declared: “This issue has shown that Arsene can be ruthless. He has to be otherwise people can run all over you.
“As for whether Gallas has a future at the club, that will be up to Arsene. But I think Gallas has got a problem. Arsene will advise the board over that and we will support him no matter what.
“We will all be at The Emirates on Tuesday [for the Champions League fixture with Dynamo Kiev] and I am sure the matter will be discussed with Arsene. And 100 per cent we will endorse what he decides about Gallas.”
Peter hill wood’s comments
November 23, 2008 at 10:12 am
I agree Geoff, this has Brian Clough written all over it……
Hero to Zero
I also agree with the Toure to midfield call, when fit I would play this until Jan
Fabianski
Eboue Djourou Silvestre, Clichy
Ramsey, Cesc, Toure, Nasri
Ade, Vela
I think the addition of Toure to the midfield will help Cesc. I think Toure has proved his worth over the years and that will rub off on Cesc. Denilson and Song dont give him that.
November 23, 2008 at 10:12 am
Geoff I agree completely, I really can’t understand AW’s player slections anymore. Or his judgement in player’s ability.
Is Wenger begging to show signs of Alzheimer’s???
November 23, 2008 at 10:14 am
I meant to say “beginning to show signs of Alzheimmer’s” :p
November 23, 2008 at 10:16 am
We should never have let go of Upson in the first place
November 23, 2008 at 10:16 am
when i saw the line up yesterday i was not happy! i was quite excited when i heard about gallas coz i cant stand him and as walcott, fab and eboue were not there i thought ramsey ande wilshire have 2 start but it seems wenger bottled it! he keeps putting crap players out of position and it dont take alot 2 c it dont work!
this is the team i would like 2 c after jan!
almunia
sagna, toure, wheater, clichy
wilshere, ramsey, veloso, fabrigas, vela.
adebeyor
i think we need 2 buy 2 players 2 become a great team, a big centre back and a great midfielder!
we need 2 get rid of bentner, van persie, song, gallas, silvestre (god knows why we bought him, who cares about experience if your crap!) and hoyte!
hopefully rosicky and eduado get fit soon and bring back nortvedt 2 coz i think he will b pretty good!
wenger should give simpson and gibbs a bit more of a chance 2 (but gibbs as a winger not a full back!
November 23, 2008 at 10:19 am
Good call Colin and welcome!
November 23, 2008 at 10:27 am
i havent seen song much recently, but at the start of the year i thought he was excellent
theres obviously something wrong there that his form can drop so dramatically
same with bendtner, they both look great at times but are apparently really inconsistent
i think ramsey and wilshere should be in the team for Either cesc or denilson, cos frankly denilson has been far better than fabregas this year, but the captaincy might wake fab up i duno
to be honest a midfield of denilson and ramsey sounds pretty good to me cos despite his inconsistency, denilson has more “bite” than fabregas. ramsey is stronger than both of them combined already tho which is the joke of it; And a better ball player based on this season performances
what bugs me also tho is that ppl can blame song and bendtner, perhaps justly, but why has no one commented against walcott, and so few have against fabregas. walcott has been awful since his hatrick pretty much and fabregas has been bad all season. and to reward walcott with a 60,000 pw contract? wheres the logic? hes shown good flashes, but overall been horribly inconsistent.. give that money to wilshere, im Far more confident about him
wenger himself has to take a huge slice of the credit for the fuckups tho
playing walcott all this time, and bendtner when hes off form, when there’s clearly better options (vela); not taking fabregas out the team when hes looked disinterested at times and always poor - no one should be above being replaced.
silvestre should be out, hes not ready to start at CB in a team challenging for the title, i doubt hel ever be back to his best. arsene has just added the cheapest experienced player he could find to appease the fans. djourou is the only CB i trust in the squad!
we might as well play the carling cup team for the rest of the season, at least theyl put in the effort!
even in henry’s last season, i could see hope for the side, they lost and drew games where they were at least competing and looked unlucky when they got most of the bad results. now theyr just getting beaten hands down
November 23, 2008 at 10:28 am
Spot on with the post Pedro.
I am surprised that the 2 AKB’s were allowed to continue on here yesterday when they were clearly just trying to argue with anyone who questioned AW’s performance and were suggesting that anyone critical wasn’t a proper supporter. I think they were binned once they became abusive. Why is it these cowards always choose the girls to pick on? - misogynists as well as deluded I guess.
Survival tips for distraught gooners:
1. Try to keep faith until January
2. Lower your expectations - don’t expect CL next season
3. Don’t visit Arsenal.com
4. Remember the good years
5. Take pride in the CC kids
6. Come on LG and have a bloody good rant.
7. Kick the dog/cat
8. Get drunk regularly
November 23, 2008 at 10:28 am
oh yeh, i totally agree with colin, thats exactly how i felt
November 23, 2008 at 10:31 am
Pat sorry mate you were in moderation, fuck knows why, Timmy, I think he has it already!
November 23, 2008 at 10:31 am
OFFICIAL: ARSENAL IN RECESSION.
After 4 years of dismantling the finest team seen on these shores. The last few months have shown rapid decline, the club’s own doing.
It is safe to say Arsenal FC are now well & truly in Recession ( altho this has gone unnoticed by AKB’s, the corporates & the tourists who enjoy visiting the Corporate Bowl with their cameras)
November 23, 2008 at 10:35 am
wenger: CHANGE OR GO!
its that simple
November 23, 2008 at 10:36 am
RECESSION haha,
im suprised wenger hasnt used that exscuse on to why he hasnt been buying anyone.
we would probably come out with. ” yes i know there was going to be a RECESSION 4 years ago. so we saved all our money blah blah blah.
Mr WENGER Top Class Spinster.
November 23, 2008 at 10:36 am
http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/72455/Wenger-too-scared-to-axe-Gallas-over-the-summer
November 23, 2008 at 10:38 am
As for the poll, how long does Wenger need to turn it around? he’s had 12 years already.
November 23, 2008 at 10:40 am
Part of the reason why i believe wenger should be given time is that he is paranoid of running the club into private ownership and huge debts as a result. I think i will hold my paitence till end of january, then …
November 23, 2008 at 10:43 am
still no takers for my view that anything above 82 points would win the league this time?
November 23, 2008 at 10:43 am
Geoff
im going to put my neck out and say 2 more seasons
November 23, 2008 at 10:45 am
Morning all,
I couldnt have put it better chaps.
I’ve always maintained we’ll stgruggle this season, and would also find it hard to get 4th.
I take no pleasure in actually seeing it happen!
I have actually got to a stage where I dont expect much from thjis team, so when they win I’m pleasantly surprised.
Anyway, everyone who knows anything about football, every arsenal fan, and just about everyone with 2 functioning eyes can ascertain the following…
Almunia, Denilson, Song, Eboue ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH to be in a title winning team! the last 2 should be classed as back up players full stop. They should be playing for Fulham and the like.
So please explain to me how our esteemed manager cant see it?
What really pissed me off yesterday was his interview after yesterday’s game where he said 3-0 flattered Man City!!! WTF!!
Why can’t you just lose with dignity you blinkered old coot! We should and could have lost by as many as 5!
Anyway I’m not going to get wound up about him and his adopted kids anymore, because seeing as they cant be assed anymore, neither can I!
Enjoy the rest of the season folks! I’m done with these clowns.
November 23, 2008 at 10:46 am
time to put the invincibles dvd back on !!
November 23, 2008 at 10:46 am
Pedro
what are you getting for Christmas ?
i heard they are having a sale on .. pink football boots
man your hung up on those boots
its the only high point of the post !
love it ..
well , i think we knew it would be a tough game …
man shitty are becoming a good team … man -not so- shitty …
and when we set out the warning cry’s pre-season everyone thought we would still be top 4 material . AKB’s shouting out ‘no need to buy’ we are a financially sound club !
where are those fucking muppets now ???? ACLF ?
wengers plan is flawed .
HOW ? a bunch of kids who were unproven playing at the top teir of football ?
good players take time to create .years even . wengers methods are flawed .. i agree pedro
he needs to look for NOW players who can integrate in the team ASAP .and play people in position …
or we are fucking doomed !
least next season he wont need to rest players to keep them fresh for C.L football ..
November 23, 2008 at 10:48 am
man citeh are shit.. we are shittier ethan.. we are pathetic.. no fight..no desire and sadly no talent as well
November 23, 2008 at 10:48 am
Morning all
Passionate post Pedro!!!!! What are we to do?
Rasp - you made some excellent suggestions at getting through the next months.
Finest - I watched the link
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdo4ED0L0nI&feature=related
and being a girl I sat and cried. Wow, those were fantastic times!!!!
November 23, 2008 at 10:51 am
oh look the Wenger Puppethas spoken out
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_4538114,00.html
November 23, 2008 at 10:51 am
Ethan - man city were not a good team, they had a well organised defence and a couple of starlets that can turn it on!!!! They were as uninventive as we were in the first half and it was only the gift of that goal in injury time that gave them something to build on.
That game had 0-0 written all over it first half.
November 23, 2008 at 10:52 am
Raif.. Ive been defending Wenger and I think he needs time to turn this around..
But if he doesn’t get his finger out and sort this matter out, I wouldn’t give him no more than a year.
We need some sort of action in the January window and a lot more in the summer, then see how we start to look at the start of next season, if we are the same, we need to get rid!!
November 23, 2008 at 10:52 am
Resources are threadbare for sure, what I don’t understand though is why Wenger is persisting with players who’s confidence is so clearly shot through?
November 23, 2008 at 10:53 am
morning all.
I really thought I was going to have to eat my words, and praise Wenger for sticking to his guns. I had been slagging off Bendtner, Song, Eboue, Gallas etc. as I didnt think any of them were Arsenal quality.
Then with 86 mins gone at the Emirates against the spuds I was thinking we were gonna be up there with Liverpool and the chavs, an outstanding second half, we were superb.
10 mins later I realised that we were no diferent to last season, when we collapsed at birmingham. Tell a lie we are worse.
I have never seen such a collapse. What a lightweight bunch of girls.
I cant say anything else that you guys havnt already said, but if nothing is done in January we may as well not bother anymore, (a bit like the players didnt bother yesterday).
Oh, and to make matters worse, after some enthusiastic waving at the spuds fans my wedding ring flew off and landed either at club level or in with the spuds, so if anyone found it could they let me know please, thankyou.
November 23, 2008 at 10:53 am
And in the summer transfer window, the flats at Highbury should be sold so the shackles should have come of the cheque book!
November 23, 2008 at 10:53 am
is it just me or are the Board Mindless drones of AKB’s it seems like they eat what ever Wenger feeds them?
November 23, 2008 at 10:53 am
side to start against chavs
fabianski
eboue jd silvestre clichy
ramsey diaby cesc nasri
vela rvp
swap rvp n diaby when eduardo n rosicky is back
November 23, 2008 at 10:54 am
nic has totally lost confidence.. wel when you are 20 years old and you get booed at home by 55000 plus.. anyone will i think.. time for him to pull up his socks throw his pink boots and work harder!!!
November 23, 2008 at 10:54 am
AndyB - i feel mean, but i’m laughing my head off at your post!
November 23, 2008 at 10:55 am
mwt what about the line up for the cl game… is it on tuesday?
November 23, 2008 at 10:55 am
Morning Pedro, can I ask you a question. You say you dont want Wenger sacked. You know as well as everyone else that this guy wont back down and buy the required players in January or indeed in the summer. This team is obviously not good enough and never will be. If Wenger continues with the shit he has which we know he will do and hes not a magician so results wont change, then Pedro im asking you when will you call for him to be sacked. It gives me no pleasure to slate Wenger as hes been a great manager but the mans well past it now. Everyone knows his players are rubbish except him so if he wont spend to challenge anymore then hes got no right to be there.
November 23, 2008 at 10:55 am
mind you the bosses picks of 1st team players have still been pretty eratic over the past few years too ! .. reyes- (who?) baptista - loan , well he got that wrong !
hleb (took a few seasons to get going) keeping alumina in goal … nasri (hot and cold)
bitchslap - silverstre all purchased injured .. dudu - took his time to get going also , and will probably do the same again .. if at all !
and then there’s ade (fuck no need to go there right !)
diaby … denilson !
all purchased as talent !!!!!!!!!
well i cannot see wenger impressing us with any buys in jan .
and there are rumors that real madrid are now after wenger …
those Spanish leeches are on with a sniff … arent they ???
November 23, 2008 at 10:55 am
im sorry i totally disagree about eboue
pires described him as a warrior and if u watch him he really puts in the effort, plus hes got A Lot more skill than he gets credit for. hes actually Exactly the sort of player we need more of really. more like the flamini mentality which is clearly missing
hes a top class full back and hes adjusting to right mid or wherever hes playing now
i hate it when pple knock him like that - “hes not good enough for us” etc
if u watched him this season hes actually been really good, perhaps not so much in his sub appearances up front or watever but starting in right or left mid hes been excellent
please someone agree with me that walcott hasnt been good - hes selfish and has poor decision making. im sick of this giving him more chances cos hes english, its wengers mistake paying so much money and putting him straight in the 1st team squad.
eboue makes a lot of poor decisions, less that last year but still, but at least he tackles back and fights, plus he doesnt give the ball away on the edge of the box once a match
November 23, 2008 at 10:56 am
by the way, great post pedro
November 23, 2008 at 10:56 am
We shouldn’t be blaming the players totally - they are being asked to do jobs they are not mentally ready for.
November 23, 2008 at 10:56 am
avenell
i agree, but we all know wenger wont do anything. the dead wood needs to be cut off.
if RvP is fighting with players he should be sold. if Nikki-B dont start pulling up his socks and like most of us know he can, then sell him. Gallas Gone. Song just give him away for free the faster the better.
November 23, 2008 at 10:56 am
Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood has told William Gallas he ‘has got a problem’, and The Gunners’ supremo revealed on Sunday that the club will back the sale of Gallas if Arsene Wenger wields the axe.
Gallas did not even travel with Arsenal for Saturday’s woeful 3-0 defeat to Manchester City, with Wenger stripping him of the armband following the defender’s outspoken comments about team bust-ups.
November 23, 2008 at 10:57 am
I wonder what the result would have been if Kompany had been playing for us yesterday. We should have bought him and at £6m he was a bargain. He can play CB or DM.
Peaches you are absolutely right. It’s time to get back to basics. We have to ‘re-learn’ how not to concede goals - a good defensive coach in the setup would be an idea. The defence should take priority IMO and I include the midfield players in the term defence.
November 23, 2008 at 10:58 am
The more I think about it, the more I think that Wenger imagined that Eboue would be the one to fill Flamini’s shoes this season…
November 23, 2008 at 10:59 am
Bringing in the cc side into the first team is lowering there confidence one by one..
He should bring at least.
Wilshere, Ramsey, Vela, Simpson, and at least one more and use the energy and confidence they have built up together..
November 23, 2008 at 10:59 am
funny.. i read Real Madrid were after benitez too.. frankly i cannot see wenger leaving.. but he has to admit he is wrong. Only then can he start over again. He is in self denial.
He always seems to believe that our team is the better team even when we were raped 3-0.. could have been more..
Come On wenger.. saying that you were wrong does not make you a lesser person… Just admit it that you were wrong and start over.. get rid of some players.. spend some dosh and get world class players.. the fans who pay the highest prices.. one of the best stadiums and certainly the best pitch deserves better warriors!!
November 23, 2008 at 10:59 am
i say play the reseves choy.. except im a firm believer that a back 4 need time to gell (especially the centre pairing) so give jd n silvestre a start
mids: nasri jack on the wings ramsey n cesc in the middle
vela n simpson up front
rvp diaby to come on in 2nd half BEFORE THE 60TH MIN
id love to see wenger experiment a bit
November 23, 2008 at 11:00 am
Rasputin
re-learn - intresting word.
but what makes u think wenger teaches them anything other then silky Playstation Football
we cant deffend we cant deffend set pieces, we cant cross for shit. and we sure as hell cant score
November 23, 2008 at 11:00 am
davi, i agree with you on walcott, and eboue.
You can have pace power vision etc, attitude is the one which is most required.
Walcott is as good as he can be ever. And that for me is just not good enough.
November 23, 2008 at 11:02 am
give clichy a go in dm even.. every other player isnt working
November 23, 2008 at 11:02 am
ramsey-cesc partnership is the only thing to look forward to now for me this season.
November 23, 2008 at 11:02 am
Wenger is clearly deluded. He believes that he can turn any ordinary player into a super skillful star, I think thats one of the reasons why he has stuck with the Youth Experiment and that it fits in with the funding situation of the team.
Which came first, thats what we don’t know. Did Arsene say ‘I can turn a bunch of kids into a fantastic team and it won’t cost much’ or did the board say ‘ Arsene we have no money for you to buy players so you’ll have to develop a team on a shoestring’
November 23, 2008 at 11:02 am
I don’t want to get rid of any of our players yet Choy - I just want some experienced players brought in to the mix and help bring them along.
Take Denilson for example - I like him, i think he has ability but he should be getting 20 minutes at this point in his career not expected to carry the midfield as he was expected to yesterday.
November 23, 2008 at 11:02 am
Thanks Queen, if only my wife had your sense of humour I may still have my testicles!
November 23, 2008 at 11:02 am
spot on ikon.. i think ramsey-cesc should b our first choice.. coz diaby doesnt look like hell ever get a go
November 23, 2008 at 11:03 am
Raif the SkySportsNews bit sums up the problem, we will support Wenger no matter what!
Paulie let me give you my answer, supporting someone no matter what is frighteningly dangerous,
many world leaders in history had that support…until of course it all went wrong.
It takes a real leader to know when you’re wrong and change it, how many banks are in the shit because no one said, hey, this is bollocks this is.
This club will probably need to win the ECL to qualify next season, we’ll be taken over and the board will be gone.
Then Wenger will blame them in a heartbbeat, wake up before it’s too late Wenger, your team is shit, well Song and Eboue are with Denilson and Bendtner right behind then.
November 23, 2008 at 11:03 am
people say wenger makes all the team choices then PHW says this ….
Now the Frenchman’s Emirates future is hanging by a thread, with Hill-Wood revealing he will discuss Gallas’ situation with Wenger after Tuesday’s Champions League clash with Dynamo Kiev.
it proves that wenger has to clear selections make team choices in hand with the board …
im sure wenger would buy at least ‘now’ players if the club had cash reserves !
any other scenario is just madness to speak of !
November 23, 2008 at 11:05 am
Raif.. What I am saying is.. If I see a change and can see a reaction, I would give him time.
Another summer like the last one and he has got to go..
And I would like to see a press conference with Wenger and the board explaining the money situation and how building the Emirates has affected transfer monies..
November 23, 2008 at 11:08 am
Ethan I don’t buy that, last season every club in world football wanted Wenger, he wouldn’t have stayed at Arsenal is he was told he had no money.
It’s more like the other way around, he’s probably told them he doesn’t want it, so he can win the league with kids and look an even greater manager.
He so far up his own arse now it’s frightening, he thinks it’s his club.
November 23, 2008 at 11:08 am
I can see the conversation now Ethan…
PHW: Arsene, sir could I take some of your time please?
AW: Who in the blue hell are you?
PHW: Er.. i’m the superior, the boss Arsene, we sat next to each other at the shareholders meeting?
AW: No? I did not see you? Besides, I do not have a superior, some days I am not sure I even have an equal.
PHW: er…Arsene we really need to talk about Gallas.
AW: No.
End of discussion.
November 23, 2008 at 11:09 am
Ethan - I don’t believe PHW has any part in any decision making. The journos know he’ll put his foot in it so they love to interview him when theres a crisis - he’s guaranteed to make matters worse.
November 23, 2008 at 11:09 am
Ethan, AW would never have to ask the board about player selection, he means if AW tells the board he wants rid of him and is not prepared to pick him anymore.
Geoff, do you mean the 12 years, 2 doubles, 3 titles, 4 FA cups and 2 European finals?
November 23, 2008 at 11:09 am
dont u get the impression wenger just cant understand why the team isnt winning?
yet, even if we disagree on details, everyone else can see theres a number of problems with the team, in attack but especially in midfield and defence
maybe hes lost it?
November 23, 2008 at 11:10 am
Morning QOS - you have the same opinion of PHW?
November 23, 2008 at 11:12 am
raif - I know we can’t defend, that was my point. I guess your point is that we never learnt to defend in the first place, just relied on great attacking play and now that’s gone we can’t compete.
All I am saying is that we have to concentrate on defending with the whole team contributing ,and obviously using the limited pool of players we have until January.
Wenger loves mobile, (small?) ball playing midfielders - he has a great collection. When he sees a gap elsewhere in the team, he thinks he can just adapt one of them to a different role - WRONG!!!!!
With the noteable exception of Sol, what other ‘ready to play’ class CB has he ever bought?
November 23, 2008 at 11:12 am
avenell
yeah i know man i was just pointing out were shit. thats all
as for anything to do with Wenger and the board comming out to tell the fans/press anything, they wont.
wenger post macth interview said it all.
Wenger: “Let people talk. why should we make statments”
thank you mr wenger you just spat in my face!
November 23, 2008 at 11:12 am
Zorro I don’t need to listen to you this morning of all mornings, go blog on arsenal.com
November 23, 2008 at 11:12 am
yeh it seems he’s more interestied in proving his critics wrong rather than actually winning the trophey itself. It has backfired unfortunately so now we can only wait to see what his response is in january - then we can all judge him
I just hope he gets us to december in a good position. The current system and style just doesnt suit the players…rvp cant get in the game, we cross into a box constantly and have no players in there, cesc cant do his magic without a decent back up, mids cant play a decent through ball , we’re too slow really, we allow teams to get 1o behind the ball
November 23, 2008 at 11:13 am
Hi Peaches, I think PHW is a banker. He’s probably good at that. But the lack of a CEO, DD type figure is costing the club greatly and that’s something PHW could and should have done something abouyt before now!
November 23, 2008 at 11:13 am
davi - well said.
I made a point earlier about Arsene thinking he can turn any ordinary player into a fabulous player - I think he can’t understand why they arn’t doing it right.
November 23, 2008 at 11:14 am
Rasputin -
ofcourse ther answer is NONE a big fat ZERO
and we was REALLY REALLY LUCKy with SOL. and thats Bcos he was on a free. it makes me sick.
WENGER CANT BUY DEFFENDERS OR GOALKEEPERS TO SAVE HIS LIFE. FACT
November 23, 2008 at 11:16 am
Raif… I think SSN etc asking Wenger about Gallas was bad timing.
I would like to think when he replied to that he was as pissed off as us if not more.
He knows the press are sticking the knife in they hate Arsenal..
November 23, 2008 at 11:17 am
Never been on Arse.com! Just because I will give the man time does not make me an AKB! Be realistic, get rid now who takes over, Pat Rice, Steve Bould. We could have Mancini or Rijkaard, or ask Ajax if we can have MvB and DB10. How about Moaninho. It’s all very well thinking of getting rid of the best manager we have ever had, but only if we have a better solution available.
November 23, 2008 at 11:18 am
QOS - absolutely agree. The board should go on their bended knees to DD.
No DD has turned AW into an over-worked wreck. DD is not only his friend, hes a passionate gooner too.
The trouble is I think DD thought he’d be back at the helm long before now - and Arsene probably did too.
I can imagine AW thinking he could cope with everything but in reality he can’t.
Probably too girly that last bit!!!!
November 23, 2008 at 11:19 am
cant agree more raif… Wenger inherited possibly the best back 4, then purchased one decent defender (on a free) with sol… In 12 years he hasnt built a defense.. And he was lucky to have bergkamp pretty much the lynchpin of our attack from 98 to 2004.
It really aggrivates me when ppl use the 12 year 2 doubles 3 titles defense of wenger.. i respect the opinion but u have to look deeper than that.. A good team should back up title after titles.. Wenger never has had a season after season consistent side.
November 23, 2008 at 11:19 am
The thing to ask is why did he let go of gilberto and senderos without signing any replacement. Surely he didnt think denilson will never get injured.!!!!
If there is any monetary issue it is absolutely criminal to keep it away from the fans.
He says something like “we have the players, we dont need anyone” then we come to know that he tried to buy arshavin, barry and alonso.
My summer buying list:
Arshavin, Richards, Cana
November 23, 2008 at 11:22 am
raif - you’re not happy then
- I suggest you go for pet abuse and alcohol as per my earlier post!
November 23, 2008 at 11:22 am
avenell.
very true indeed. lets let him calm down and see what happens.
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mwt.
very right. as people start to believe that it was wengers back for of tony adams and so on. i was shocked to find alot of the younger fans think it was who wenger got bergkamp.
Wenger has been Lucky with most of the players he has found
but lads i have to dash so ill see you all later on today.
take it easy Govers.
November 23, 2008 at 11:23 am
Zorro he was good, but we’ve won fuck all for 4 seasons, we won’t make changes and he won’t spend money, because jhe was good looking once doesn’t mean he’ll be good looking for ever.
If he admitted he was wrong I could handle it, this is football, not Wengerball.
November 23, 2008 at 11:24 am
It’s not a defence of Wenger, it is just saying that he deserves some more time to get it right. We know the team only needs maybe 3 top quality, mid 20s experienced players and it could be the mutts nuts, but he has to find the right players or get them from within, but he cannot wait forever for the youngsters to come good. We have some pinning their hopes on a 16 year old and that is simply unnaceptable for our club.
I agree with Avenall I think, who said he has until this time next year to turn things around and show he now realises he has to spend the money in the next 2 transfer windows.
November 23, 2008 at 11:26 am
What we have to be careful with is. I think we are in a similar position to where Newcastle were with Bobby Robson. He was starting to make Newcastle a regular 5th placed team, but because he got them up there the fans thought that wasn’t good enough and outed him.
You know the rest..
November 23, 2008 at 11:28 am
geoff you are spot on with “if he admitted he was wrong I could handle it”. I too feel the same way. I dont think he should get away with his constant lies to the fans and his silly tedious excuses. Fans are not stupid despite what Wenger thinks, people can see through his constant bullshit, we pay his fucking obscene wages yet he treats us with contempt with the lies and spin he spews endlessly.
November 23, 2008 at 11:28 am
I don’t spend all this money to see an experiment, I spend it to see my team play great football, if he bought a couple of players at the start of the season, we could be in position A, he’s stubborness has fucked that up, it’s heartbreaking.
That’s why the players are arguing.
November 23, 2008 at 11:29 am
Avenall, we used to be a top 1 team, think about that, Paulie, spot on.
November 23, 2008 at 11:31 am
Rasp - morning, did I say the team needed to ‘re-learn’ how to defend? How astute of me
.
I watched the game yesterday and have to say that Man city had a well-organised defence. I couldn’t imagine any of their mid-field panicking that if they allowed us beyond them their defence would let them down.
We, on the other hand, do not have that luxury in any of our players. Clichy has been the most reliable but the pressure is getting to him and he is making mistakes. He can’t be everywhere effectively, and thats a shame. Instead of his game improving hes losing confidence in his abilty.
Arsene, all the teams we have lost games to have had well-organised defences? Can’t you see that it would improve the confidence of the team if our defending was solid.
November 23, 2008 at 11:32 am
Brilliant post pedro.
November 23, 2008 at 11:32 am
oh no my smiley didn’t work
November 23, 2008 at 11:33 am
I’m not backing his current project and I am very worried he is developing a siege mentality where he won’t admit his mistakes, but he is an intelligent man and I hope he is smart enough to change his ways and spend some of our money in Jan and July.
He would never admit publicly that he is wrong, but he can by buying the players we need, ie. direct replacements for Lehman, Campbell, Flamini/Gilberto and Henry.
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