Morning Grovers!
A couple of interesting stories in the press today.
Firstly, let’s tackle the William Gallas story.
I for on have mixed feelings on it because there was some bad…
“When, as captain, some players come up to you and talk to you about a player … complaining about him … and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us, there comes a time where we can no longer comprehend how this can happen. I am trying to defend myself a bit without giving names. Otherwise I’m taking it all [the blame]. It’s very frustrating. I’m 31, the player is six years younger than me.”
Some obvious…
“I have to win something this year. I have to. Arsenal have to. It’s nearly four years since we won anything and that’s not good.
“Another season without winning anything would be a kind of failure. But for me, the title is not over. It’s true that we are nine points behind Chelsea, but you have to be optimistic. You can’t give up.
and some optimism…
“Four defeats is a lot but it’s a long season. I think it will be very tight this year and we will have to hope that Chelsea draw a few and lose a few. We will have to see if I will stay if we don’t win the title. We don’t know what will happen between here and then.”
When you read the whole interview from start to finish, it doesn’t come across quite as poorly as it does when you focus on the snippets.
You can kind of understand the reasoning behind the interview. Gallas seems to get the blame for everything that goes wrong with the club… he is merely defending himself. If Wenger had purchased like we’d hoped he would in the summer, we wouldn’t be facing these problems right now. Even the great PV04 upped sticks after a couple of seasons of ‘Project Youth’… as did Thierry. All three captains are/were regarded as World Class and all three have had troubles with Wenger’s recruitment policies.
It’s not good to hear your Captain slagging off the players and the club… but at the same time, it’s exactly what the fans have been doing. It’s reassuring in a weird way to know that the players are feeling the same. At least there is a passion to get things right.
When do you stop blaming the Captain’s and start blaming the manager? In my opinion, too much emphasis is placed on the role of a Captain. A great captain does not make average players better. Do you think John Terry would have been in the Champions League final last year had he been playing with Arsenal’s current crop? You are only as good as the players who are around you… bear that in mind before sticking the knife in.
Anyway, lets hope all this malarkey motivates the players to kick on from here… Starting with City tomorrow. That will be a tough game, but I am confident a sterling performance will go some way to kick starting our season for the 4th time this year
In an interesting snippet, Van Buyten has thrown his hat into the ring if Gallas wishes wants to leave. Finally, a decent defender willing to join the team!
In other news, it appears the wait for a new CEO maybe nearing an end. We’ve identified Ivan Gazidis, the deputy commissioner from the MLS as our new target. I have no idea what he is going to do for Arsenal as a club, but something tells me Stan the man has his grubby little hands all over this signing. As far as I can see, he has no experience in European football… but he has ideas… and big ones at that. Read here for further info on what he has done for the American league
Happy Friday… bring on the jokes!
P.S. William Gallas has a new book out tomorrow, it’s £9.99 at all good stockists. Read more revelations here!
Le Grove is now smart phone compatible!
Pedro
Geoff
November 21, 2008 at 09:34
Woooooooooooooooo
November 21, 2008 at 09:34
Woooooooooooooooo
November 21, 2008 at 09:34
1st?
November 21, 2008 at 09:35
oops – 1st and 2nd
November 21, 2008 at 09:35
Just beaten by the champ
November 21, 2008 at 09:36
3rd bullshit
November 21, 2008 at 09:37
Guys. How you apply emoticons to your messages. Can you tell me Plzz.
November 21, 2008 at 09:37
players arguing at half time, is not such a bad thing.
It shows commitement, a will to win.
Whilst some of what Gallas says is correct, it should not be published as that is bad for team moral.
We need all the help we can get with the players we have out at the moment.
November 21, 2008 at 09:38
sixth????
November 21, 2008 at 09:39
Interesting post Geoff – For me though, Gallas has been the author of his own destiny, it all started at B’ham, i wish he could rant and rave out of the public eye, and not keep ‘throwing the dirty laundry’ to the paps and SSN’s – they dont need an excuse to have a dig at the club..
November 21, 2008 at 09:40
Newspapers are reporting that Arsene is thinking of striping Gallas off captaincy and give it to Cesc or Clichy after citeh match….
November 21, 2008 at 09:40
Spurdozer i don’t know how to do the full range, but i just use the keyboard e.g. typing in : and then ) would give you
November 21, 2008 at 09:41
Silly Willy’s outburst can have 2 effects. The players either say”fuck him” and continue to act like spoilt brats or “right let’s prove this tosser wrong”. I, for one hope it’s the latter, however recent history seems to point to the first reaction.
With you on one point Geoff. As much as Silly doesn’t help himself, the entire blame cannot be laid at his door and Wenger must shoulder some responsibility if the squad is less than harmonious. A lot of that is down to lack of maturiy and enough leaders (not just Gallas).
November 21, 2008 at 09:42
What Starts with F and ends with K
A first-grade teacher, Ms. Brooks, was having trouble with one of her students. The teacher asked, ‘Harry, what’s your problem?’
Harry answered, ‘I’m too smart for the 1st grade. My sister is in the 3rd grade and I’m smarter than she is! I think I should be in the 3rd grade too!’
Ms. Brooks had had enough. She took Harry to the principal’s office.
While Harry waited in the outer office, the teacher explained to the principal what the situation was. The principal told Ms. Brooks he would give the boy a test. If he failed to answer any of his questions he was to go back to the 1st grade and behave. She agreed.
Harry was brought in and the conditions were explained to him and he agreed to take the test.
Principal: ‘What is 3 x 3?’
Harry: ‘9.’
Principal: ‘What is 6 x 6?’
Harry: ‘36.’
And so it went with every question the principal thought a 3rd grader should know.
The principal looks at Ms. Brooks and tells her, ‘I think Harry can go to the 3rd grade.’
Ms. Brooks says to the principal, ‘Let me ask him some questions.’
The principal and Harry both agreed.
Ms. Brooks asks, ‘What does a cow have four of that I have only two of?’
Harry, after a moment: ‘Legs.’
Ms. Brooks: ‘What is in your pants that you have but I do not have?’
The principal wondered why would she ask such a question!
Harry replied: ‘Pockets.’
Ms. Brooks: ‘What does a dog do that a man steps in to?’
Harry: ‘Pants.’
Ms. Brooks: What starts with a C, ends with a T, is hairy, oval, delicious and contains thin, whitish liquid?’
Harry: ‘Coconut.’
The principal sat forward with his mouth hanging open.
Ms. Brooks: ‘What goes in hard and pink then comes out soft and sticky?’
The principal’s eyes opened really wide and before he could stop the answer, Harry replied, ‘Bubble gum.’
Ms. Brooks: ‘What does a man do standing up, a woman does sitting down and a dog does on three legs?’
Harry: ‘Shake hands.’
The principal was trembling.
Ms. Brooks: ‘What word starts with an ‘F’ and ends in ‘K’ that means a lot of heat and excitement?’
Harry: ‘Firetruck’
The principal breathed a sigh of relief and told the teacher, ‘Put Harry in the fifth-grade, I got the last seven questions wrong .
November 21, 2008 at 09:42
And we’ve been conceding soft goals and he as center back and captain is the obvious one to blame.
November 21, 2008 at 09:43
It’s a Pedro post today Rico!
November 21, 2008 at 09:43
‘Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can’t help but cry. I mean I’d love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff.’
–Mariah Carey
November 21, 2008 at 09:43
Morning Pedro/Geoff and Le Grovers,
Totally agree with that Pedro.
There is an anti-Gallas bandwagon that has been forming since the Birmingham game and its gathering pace.
I’ve never known an Arsenal player be critised as much as Gallas has been. Even Ashley Cole wasn’t as vilified as this.
In fact I’ve started a new nickname for him,
MARMITE
Because it seems to me that Gooners either love him or hate him.
November 21, 2008 at 09:43
hey guys
are we going to put a xmas silly season list of linked players for jan ?
we have be linked with Adriano and Van Buyten today let alone anyone else .
and Arse shaving agent is back on the case !! how boring !!
guess we won,t buy anyone but it,s a bit of fun ( i think !)
November 21, 2008 at 09:44
‘Smoking kills.. If you’re killed, you’ve lost a very important part of your life,’
– Brooke Shields, during an interview to become spokesperson for federal anti-smoking campaign .
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‘I’ve never had major knee surgery on any other part of my body,’
–Winston Bennett, University of Kentucky basketball forward .
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‘Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,’
–Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC
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‘That lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jackass, and I’m just the one to do it,’
–A congressional candidate in Texas
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‘Half this game is ninety percent mental.’
–Philadelphia Phillies manager, Danny Ozark
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‘It isn’t pollution that’s harming the environment. It’s the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.’
–Al Gore, Vice President
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‘I love California . I practically grew up in Phoenix .’
– Dan Quayle
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‘We’ve got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need ?’
–Lee Iacocca
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‘The word ‘genius’ isn’t applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.’
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‘We don’t necessarily discriminate. We simply exclude certain types of people.’
– Colonel Gerald Wellman, ROTC Instructor.
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November 21, 2008 at 09:46
Kelsey – a fine start to a Friday morning. well played that man
November 21, 2008 at 09:46
‘Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there is a change in your circumstances.’
– Department of Social Services, Greenville , South Carolina
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‘Traditionally, most of Australia ’s imports come from overseas.’
–Keppel Enderbery
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‘If somebody has a bad heart, they can plug this jack in at night as they go to bed and it will monitor their heart throughout the night. And the next morning, when they wake up dead, there’ll be a record.’
–Mark S. Fowler, FCC Chairman
November 21, 2008 at 09:46
Thanks dobbi
November 21, 2008 at 09:47
It that alright for a start Pedro
November 21, 2008 at 09:49
November 21, 2008 at 09:50
morning all….
Tony Gale has hit out at William Gallas for going public about Arsenal’s problems.
The Gunners skipper has openly accused his team-mates of lacking bravery and spilt the beans on a dressing-room bust-up in the recent 4-4 draw with Tottenham.
Gallas also claims that as captain he has received complaints about one player in particular and warned Arsene Wenger’s side that they are danger of wrecking their own title hopes.
But Gale believes the Frenchman has got it all wrong in going public and has done more harm than good.
“What goes on in the changing room stays in the changing room,” he told Sky Sports News.
“If you’re captain is starting to name people then you really have got problems. OK, little arguments go on in the changing room and people get to hear about it, but not from the skipper.
“It’s not being a skipper at all. It’s all to showy for me from William Gallas; group huddles on the pitch? Do it in the changing rooms.
“Yes, he’s upset but some of the boys in the changing room will be more upset. Don’t you think Arsene Wenger is upset?
“But there’s a place to show that. It’s as if nothing’s his fault, it’s everyone else’s fault. He’s blaming the inexperience of youngsters, saying we haven’t got this, we haven’t got that – just get on with your own game!”
Nightmare
Gale also believes this latest outburst proves that Gallas is the wrong man to captain the Gunners.
The former Fulham and West Ham man, who won the Premier League title with Blackburn in 1995, did not agree with the appointment at the time and says Wenger made it in attempt to stop this sort of outburst.
“I think it’s a bit of a nightmare to be honest,” he said. “It was a poor appointment in the first place and it’s proving even poorer now.
“I think he appointed him in the first place to get him back on-side. I think he though the responsibility might have brought him back on-side and brought him into line.
“It worked initially, but it’s gone on and on and it’s just not an Arsenal thing to be in the papers like that.”
November 21, 2008 at 09:51
On the sick list
Eboue is out
RVP is back
So we have 4 strikers, and no players who NORMALLY play on the right.
unless you count Gavin Hoyte!!!
November 21, 2008 at 09:51
November 21, 2008 at 09:52
last year there were three visible camps
– the right side of eboue, sagna, kolo, ade etc
– the mid/left of fab, hleb, flam
- the drifters
this year alliances have yet to form, no one is playing with/for their friends and the team spirit is gone.
we need a new spirit built around Rams, LJW, and the kids who know and like each other.
November 21, 2008 at 09:52
p)
November 21, 2008 at 09:52
the real point is its ok to do and say wat gallas has said. BUT not outside the club structure – i imagine any organisation with probably around 50 mostly male people working together (30 players + staff, coaches, physio’s) is going to have lots of fights.
keep them indoors.
November 21, 2008 at 09:53
ooooh, and Toure is out
How could I forget…
November 21, 2008 at 09:53
November 21, 2008 at 09:55
song is going to play at right back….
hope i am wronge…
November 21, 2008 at 09:56
Wenger should never have made Gallas captain in the first place – a major mistake, as the man does not have the head for it.
I like Gallas in many respects, but captain material he is not.
He is right to stir it up with the young players who have been underperforming, but he could do with some lessons in diplomacy – not so public next time !!!!
Keep your dirty linen indoors.
In a funny way, this might bring things to a head and calvanise the squad if only to prove Gallas wrong.
Might Wenger have prompted Gallas to do it ???????
November 21, 2008 at 09:57
I agree that by going public regardless how you read it,the timing couldn’t be worse for morale at the club.Is the french influence beginning to have an effect on others or are there just to many big heads instead of leaders.is there is a possibility that some players are being forced to play i the wrong position,or doesn’t the boss know what his best formation is.so many questions,no real answers.
Is the balance of the team wrong.when will wenger give others a chance from the CC team,what have we to lose,at least they are hungry.
Another loss tomorrow and we really are nearing a crisis.
November 21, 2008 at 09:57
A soccer player dies and accidently is sent to hell. When he arrives he is greeted by the devil.
Devil: What did you do in your former life?
Player: I was a soccer player
Devil: Good. Your all set. You have a game on Monday, 2 games on Tuesday, a game on Wednesday, 2 games on Thursday, a game on Friday and 2 games on Saturday and Sunday.
Player:This is great I never had this on Earth.
After a few days the devil comes to the soccer player
Devil: Hey buddy we made a mistake. You were supposed to go to heaven.
So the player is sent to Heavan and meets St. Peter at the Gate
St. Peter: So what did you do in your former life?
Player: I was a soccer player.
St. Peter: Oh, Well your first game will be in about 6 months.
Player: 6 months? When I was in hell I had a game every day sometimes two games a day. What’s the problem, Not enough soccer players?
St. Peter: Oh we have plently of players. The problem is Hell has all the referees.
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Since Sunday evening the whole World has been debating what Italian defender Marco Materazzi said to Zinedine Zidane to make the retiring Frenchman react in the way he did. The French captain, in his last ever professional game, thrust his head into Materazzi’s chest in Sunday’s World Cup Final resulting in a red card and shame for Zidane. Today, with the help of Italian lip-reader Arturo Belladini, we can reveal what drove Zidane to self destruct;
Materazzi was seen to hold Zidane’s shirt on the edge of the penalty box in extra-time at which point Zidane said
“if you want my shirt so bad you can have it”
Materazzi responded
“I dont want your shirt you mother fucker. you’re a fucking old man”
As they jog away Zidane is seen to laugh at this and it is unclear how he responded due to him having his back to the TV camera
Materazzi then hit a volley of abuse
“you should’ve quit 2 years ago, you’re a fucking has-been”
“mother fucker! your mum is a fucking muslim terrorist and you are to, fuck you old man fuck you”
“old man, this arena is not for you anymore mother fucker
Zidane carries on jogging away
“you are only good enough for Galaxy now” It’s at this very point Zidane turned and head-butted him.
November 21, 2008 at 10:00
Success breeds confidence and good team spirit. Failure completely the opposite. That’s whats wrong with our club. They’ve been failing for the last 3-4 years and it’s starting to have it’s toll on the players. I don’t think they trusly believe in their own ability to win trophies.
November 21, 2008 at 10:01
A bloke walks into a pub, and in the middle of the bar looks to his left and shouts “all you lot over there are wankers!” he then looks to his right and shouts “and all you lot over there are tossers!”
He then leaves the pub, leaving the punters and bar staff completely baffled.
This same scenario happens for the next three days on the bounce, and on the fourth day Dave turns to his mate Pete and says “if that prick comes into the pub again shouting his mouth off i’m gonna have the fecker”.
Sure enough the bloke walks into a pub again, and in the middle of the bar looks to his left and shouts “all you lot over there are wankers!” he then looks to his right and shouts “and all you lot over there are tossers!”
At this point Dave jumps up and says “Oi, i’m no fucking tosser, you c*nt”
To which the stranger shouts back “Well get over there with the wankers then”!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 10:03
team for City
Almunia
Silvestre Djrourou Gallas Clichy
Ramsey Diaby Denilson Nasri
RVP Ade
Subs to include Vela, Nikki B, Song, LJW, Hoyte, Randall, Fabianski
November 21, 2008 at 10:03
Pedro – I am so sorry, guess to much in a hurry to get back to top for one day
November 21, 2008 at 10:04
Well Pedro, thanks for telling the rest of us over in yesterday’s post that you’re all in here! Bah!!!
November 21, 2008 at 10:05
Yeh, what was that all about?? Is Le Grove now Le Secret Societe??
November 21, 2008 at 10:06
Pedro……..where was the heads up??
November 21, 2008 at 10:07
I’m gonna be optimistic and predict 4-1 to the Arsenal. Nasri, Diaby, RvP and Ade to score for us, Robinho to get a consolation goal for them. The boys must just turn on the style and City is the perfect place to do it.
November 21, 2008 at 10:08
First man: My wife suggested that I take up a new sport this summer.
Second man: Well, that’s nice. It shows that she has your interests at heart. Did she make any suggestions?
First man: As a matter of fact, she did. By the way, how do you play this Russian Roulette?
November 21, 2008 at 10:09
I what to say something but can’t get past the F word, maybe this team deserves the F word , maybe the manager deserves the F word, I am sure PHW deserves it and Willy G is inline for it as well. So much F-ing going around the club.
A) Wenger knows F-all how they F-ed Manu and got F-ed by Villa
B) Toure got F-ed playing for Ivory Coast
C) Walcott got double F-ed and out for the forseeable future
D) Gallas F’s off and says RVP told him to F-off and now he just may to PSG or something
E) What the F is Silvestre wearing , a dead king kong jacket.
F) F for F-ed up Fabregas and his mind and body and his soul
G) We will get a F-ing disneyland CEO
Best of luck dear Gunners. Dont just F it like you useually do!
November 21, 2008 at 10:12
I’ve updated the post… I wrote it in about 20minutes and posted before I had proof read it!
It is finished now…
November 21, 2008 at 10:13
On Christmas morning a cop on horseback is sitting at a traffic light, and next to him is a kid on his shiny new bike. The cop says to the kid, “Nice bike you got there. Did Santa bring that to you?”
The kid says, “Yeah.”
The cop says, “Well, next year tell Santa to put a tail light on that bike.” The cop then proceeds to issue the kid a £40.00 ticket
The kid takes the ticket and before he rides off says, “By the way, that’s a nice horse you got there. Did Santa bring that to you?”
Humouring the kid, the cop says, “Yeah, he sure did.”
The kid says, “Well, next year tell Santa to put the dick underneath the horse, instead of on top.”
November 21, 2008 at 10:13
only just read the post but im sure pedro wrote it ..
in fact id bet my bollocks pedro wrote it .. and agree
sarge ..
agree 100%
they will prove the tosser wrong and hopefully move forward ..
i stand behind the captain , it must be frustrating to be the captain to this current mob .
im sure if gallas knew the job pre-requisite he would have told wenger to hire a kindy teacher !
November 21, 2008 at 10:13
Guys this is my favourite:
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FUCK YOU”
Perhaps one of the most interesting and colorful words in the English language is the word “FUCK”. It is the one magical word, which, just by its sound, can describe pain, pleasure, love, and hate.
In language, “FUCK” falls into many grammatical catagories. It can be used as a verb, both transitive (John fucked Mary) and intransitive (Mary was fucked by John). It can be an active verb (John really gives a fuck) or passive verb ( Mary really doesn’t give a fuck) ; or an adverb (Mary is fucking interested in John), and as a noun (Mary is a terrific fuck). It can be used as an adjective (Mary is fucking beautiful).
As you can see, there are very few words with versitility of “FUCK” .Besides its sexual connotations this incredible word can be used to describe many situations:
Greetings———————-How the fuck are you?
Fraud————————–I got fucked by the car dealer.
Dismay————————-Oh, fuck it!
Trouble————————Well, I guess I’m fucked now.
Aggression———————Fuck You!
Disgust————————Fuck Me!
Confusion———————-What the fuck——-?
Difficulty—-I don’t understand this fucking business.
Dispair————————Fucked again.
Incompetence——————-He fucks up everthing.
Displeasure——————–What the fuck is going on here?
Lost—————————Where the fuck are we?
Disbelief———————-Unfuckingbelievable!
Retaliation——————–Up your fucking ass!
It can be used to tell time–It’s five fucking thirty!
It can be used in an anatomical description–He’s a fucking asshole!
It can be used in bussiness–How the fuck did I wind up with this job?
It can be maternal– as in “Motherfucker”
It can be politcal– “Fuck Reagan”
And never forget General Custer’s last words : “Where did all them fucking indians come from?”
Also, the famous last words of the mayor of Hiroshima “What the fuck was that?”
And, last, but not least, the immortal words of the captain of the Titanic, who said, “Where is all this fucking water coming from?”
The mind fairly boggles at the many creative uses of the word. How can anyone be offended when you say “FUCK”? Use it frequently in your speech and it will add to your fame and prestige.
Today———- say to someone- “FUCK YOU”
November 21, 2008 at 10:13
Sack Gallas
November 21, 2008 at 10:14
November 21, 2008 at 10:14
nice comments from Tony Gale there (9.50am comment) that I agree with.
But I’ve vented my spleen fully this morning in yesterday’s post *COUGH* so I won’t bore anyone any further about Willy G!
Suffice to say, I will support and back the captain if he stays the captain, if he starts on Saturday, and for the rest of the season. But I will have my suspicions if things don’t improve… If Wenger does something about this, I will also back the decision.
Too much shit at our proud club at the moment, we need some solidarity brothers!
November 21, 2008 at 10:15
Pedro I can see the positivity but my only complaint is Gallas should have sorted this out with the boss and players! I want him out and as Iceman was sayin I think he is just paving his way for a move………!
November 21, 2008 at 10:16
rico – rubbishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, lol
November 21, 2008 at 10:17
Ive never seen a captain so criticised in the history of football. Its total bollox. Why didnt ppl criticise JT for crying in Moscow? Or blame chelsea loosing out in two finals and in prem in the last day of the season?
November 21, 2008 at 10:19
I rang the Samaritans last night. As per usual i ended up in a call centre in Pakistan! I told themi was feeling suicidal…………. the bastards got excited and asked if i could fly a plane!!
November 21, 2008 at 10:21
I wouldn’t be at all suprised if we lost tomorrow.
November 21, 2008 at 10:21
franchise I’ve never see a captain so lame as Gallas..he is nowhere to be seen n the pitch..he comes out with his stupid comments every now and then..Birmingham was a fiasco I mean come on we had just lost a couple of points, were still ahead…why the feck did he have to do it? he is a useless captain..I respect him as a player but as a captain?I’m sorry..a month ago he was sayin the guys come to him and say ‘CAPI we need u, we are following u, we want to learn from you’! Well I hope they don’t learn anything from his bloody antics..
November 21, 2008 at 10:21
ddm
Brilliant!!
November 21, 2008 at 10:22
100 men were surveyed on what they liked most about a blow job. 10 said the feeling, 15 said the excitement, and the other 75 said the fucking silence!
November 21, 2008 at 10:22
Surely we don’t think because Gale has said what he has that it’s done from an impartial, non-Arsenal hating point of view ?
Of course not, he’s saying to stick the knife in because it suits his employers(SSN) aims.
He’s hardly going to say perhaps i twas needed, it’d be like turkeys voting for Xmas if a positive opinion on Arsenal is ever given.
I say f**k him, f**k the lot of ‘em.
November 21, 2008 at 10:23
goonerm – cheers fella, we aim to please!
November 21, 2008 at 10:23
dennis – you are in for a battering for that call centre one –
November 21, 2008 at 10:24
morning chary
November 21, 2008 at 10:25
What’s the difference between Bill Clinton and the Titanic?
Only about 2000 people went down on the Titanic.
November 21, 2008 at 10:26
Morning Rico – I was lost on yesterdays post in a mass debate about Gallas(who has the P45 in the post from you).
November 21, 2008 at 10:26
IMO, Gallas may be referring to either Adebayor (24) or RVP (25). So who is more outspoken among the two who can spank Gallas so well he cant wait for the whole world to know?
November 21, 2008 at 10:26
The Italian Who Went To Malta
(Must be read with an Italian accent)
One day ima gonna Malta to bigga hotel. I tella waitress I wanna two pisses toast. She brings me only one piss. I tella her I want two piss. She say go to the toilet. I say you no understand, I wanna two piss onna my plate. She say you better no piss onna plate, you sonna ma bitch. I don’t even know the lady and she call me sonna ma bitch.
Later I go to eat at the bigga restaurant. The waitress brings me a spoon and knife but no fock. I tella I wanna fock. She tell me everyone wanna fock. I tell her you no understand, I wanna fock on the table. She say you better not fock on the table, you sonna my bitch.
So I go back to room inna hotel and there is no shits onna my bed. Call the manager and tell him I wanna shit. He tell me to go to toilet. I say you no understand, I wanna shit on my bed. He say you better not shit onna bed you sonna ma bitch.
I go to check out and the man at the desk say “peace on you”. I say piss on you too, you sonna ma bitch, im gonna back to Italy.
November 21, 2008 at 10:27
Gallas may take some stick but he needs to stop opening his big mouth to newspapers!!!! he did it last season and he is doing it again… whats wrong with “no comment” or “im not in an arsenal shirt just now so im not getting paid to do this interview….. fuck off”
I dont care if he is taking more stick than he deserves but he opens his back fat mouth far too much. When he was injured last season near the start of the season he was moaning like fuck about the club and we were doing well at this point, he is a moany cunt. Ive no doubt he is a top defender, thats not what im questioning. its nothing personal against him but i honestly think that this kind of thing is why we dont play well. i dont think the players respect him(look at RVP allegedly telling him to fuck off). I wouldnt be surprised if you saw a vast improvement if the captaincy was handed to cesc or clichy. Ask yourselves a question…. if you were on the pitch and Gallas is barking orders, remebering that he has just told the entire of britain and France you shite, would you listen to him????
November 21, 2008 at 10:27
Little Johnny’s neighbour had a baby. But, he was born without ears! Johnny and his mum and dad went to visit the baby and Johnny was warned not to mention it’s ears or he would get a spanking.
Johnny looked into the cot and said “What a lovely baby, lovely feet, lovely hands, and lovely skin. How’s his eyesight?”
The baby’s mother said it was perfect.
Johnny replied “That’s great coz he’d be fucked if he needed glasses!!!”
November 21, 2008 at 10:27
no more mass debating for me!
I value my eyesight too much
November 21, 2008 at 10:28
A bus stops and two Italian men get on. They seat themselves and engage in conversation. The lady sitting behind them ignores their conversation at first, but her attention focuses on their conversation when she hears one of the men say the following:
“Emma come first. Den I come. Two asses, they come together. I come again. Two asses, they come together again. I come again and pee twice. Den I come once-a-more.”
“You foul-mouthed swine!” hissed the indignant lady. “In this country, we don’t talk about our sex lives in public!”
“Hey coola down lady!” said the man. “Imma just tellun my afriend howa to spella Mississippi.”
Pretty terrible I suppose! But then you did ask for it!!!
November 21, 2008 at 10:29
rico – jealousy’s a terrible thing babe………ha ha ha!
November 21, 2008 at 10:29
spurdozer nice one
November 21, 2008 at 10:29
Mine is already shot to peices Seb, so nothing to worry about there !
November 21, 2008 at 10:30
chary – Seb stole my reply to you – I think Gallas is a bit of a ‘Mass Debater’
November 21, 2008 at 10:31
10 Women Who Could Manage England!!
1) Monica Lewinsky: Quite willing to work with Seaman.
2) The Spice Girls: Used to embarrassing performances at Wembley.
3) Sheryl Kyle: Since rows with a drunken Paul Gascoigne seem to be a big part of the job…
4) Denise van Outen: Well, she’s everywhere else, isn’t she?
5) Des Lynam’s mistress: Has no qualms about pulling off a front man.
6) Fergie: She’s done a good job at Old Trafford…
7) Hillary Clinton: Very supportive when it comes to playing away from home.
9) Dani Behr: The only person who can get 90 minutes out of Les Ferdinand these days.
10) Eileen Drewery: But then she already manages England…
November 21, 2008 at 10:31
ha ha dennis, no chance
November 21, 2008 at 10:31
Ha
November 21, 2008 at 10:32
rico I apologise, stealing from the first lady of le grove is worse than ratting on your teammates to the papers! oops, i did it again
November 21, 2008 at 10:32
November 21, 2008 at 10:32
A grade school teacher in Kentucky asked her students to use the word “fascinate” in a sentence.
Molly said, “My family went to my granddaddy’s farm, and we saw all his pet sheep. It was fascinating.”
The teacher said, “That was good, but I wanted you to use the word “fascinate”.
Sally raised her hand. She said, “My family went to see Rock City and I was fascinated.”
The teacher said, “Well, that was good, Sally, but I want the word “fascinate”.
Little Johnny raised his hand. The teacher hesitated because Little Johnny was noted for his bad language.
She finally decided there was no way he could damage the word “fascinate”, so she called on him. Johnny said, “My cousin’s wife has a sweater with ten buttons, but her tits are so big, she can only fasten eight.”
November 21, 2008 at 10:32
gallas has to go,no if buts or maybes.
whatever happend to whatever happends in the dressing room stays there?
this guy has no brains and if van p is a lot to do with this aswell he can jog on with him!
WENGER message to you,get rid of all the dead wood or WE WILL GET RID OF YOU!
no more excuse’s,no more lie’s,sort out the ship and get these players who we pay there wages to start playing with passion for this great club.
all this is making me a very unhappy man,it kills me to see arsenal like this!
November 21, 2008 at 10:33
morning all
Djourou at RB then? anyone but song!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 10:33
I can bet anyone here that half of those comments were added together from old interviews.
I agree with Franchise, I’ve never seen a captain so vilified.
Most comes from the English media, and you know something, they are bigoted.
You never hear anything bad about Liverpool’s captain, Manchester United’s captain and Chelsea’s captain.
You know why? Because they are English and England’s darlings.
As I’ve said Gallas is like MARMITE, love him or hate him. If you don’t like him then I respect your opinion but trust me I’m sick at times at the way he is being hounded out.
November 21, 2008 at 10:34
im so angry i cant even write!
wtf is going on?
November 21, 2008 at 10:34
A man was sitting on a blanket at the beach. He had no arms and no legs.
Three women were walking past and felt sorry for the poor man.
The first woman said ‘Have you ever had a hug?’
The man said ‘No,’ so she gave him a hug and walked on.
The second woman said ‘Have you ever had a kiss?’
The man said ‘No,’ so she gave him a kiss and walked on.
The third really beautiful woman came up to him and said, ‘Have you ever been f—ed?’
The fellow said ‘No.’
She said, ‘You will be when the tide comes in.’
November 21, 2008 at 10:37
Teacher’s taking the register and notices little Tommy is absent.
Teacher asks ” Has anyone seen Tommy?” Just then Tommy comes bursting into the classroom
“Sorry I’m late miss, but my father got burnt”
Teacher said “Oh dear, not badly I hope”
Little Tommy said “Well they don’t fuck about down the crematorium miss”
November 21, 2008 at 10:37
SpurDozer this ones 4u. GALLAS FUCK YOU!
November 21, 2008 at 10:38
No.1 – Relax fella, pull up a pew, and enjoy a cold Peroni…….
November 21, 2008 at 10:38
No worries Seb, its funny
A police officer saw a car speeding down the highway.
He started chasing after the speeder . When he got close he’s saw it was a blonde woman who was actually knitting while driving.
The cop yelled, “Pull over!”
The blonde shouted back, “No! It’s a sweater!”
November 21, 2008 at 10:39
sarge
November 21, 2008 at 10:39
Wrighty& – it’s part of how I feel.
The rag tops got very worked up about Gallas’ post Brum outburst but I didn’t buy the media’s bullshit about it then and I don’t buy the follow up now.
As I often say (to quote messrs Hetfield/Ulrich) “F**k ‘em all and f**king no regrets”.
November 21, 2008 at 10:40
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November 21, 2008 at 10:41
rico – seriously, yellow card lady!
November 21, 2008 at 10:41
A blonde comes home and finds her mom dead on the floor.
But she goes to work, and starts crying and her boss asks, “What’s wrong?”
She says, “Well, my mom died.”
He told her to go home but she said, “No, I’ll be fine.”
About an hour later her boss finds her crying again. He says, “What’s wrong?”
And she says, “Well, I just talked to my sister, and her mom died too!”
November 21, 2008 at 10:41
Wrighty I like gallas as a player..but he has opened up his mouth a bit toooo much..i agree about the british press and all but we’ve had captian’s before who are not British..
November 21, 2008 at 10:42
wtf happened there???
November 21, 2008 at 10:42
dennis
November 21, 2008 at 10:42
DDM – I thought you were teaching us how to count.
November 21, 2008 at 10:42
A man and little Johnny, his grandson, are fishing by a peaceful lake beneath some weeping willow trees. The man takes out a cigarette and lights it.
Little Johnny says, “Grandpa, can I try one of your cigarettes?”
“Can you touch your asshole with your penis?” the grandfather asks.
“No” says Little Johnny.
“Then you’re not big enough.” says the grandfather.
A few minutes pass, and the man takes a beer out of his cooler and opens it.
Little Johnny says, “Grandpa, can I have some of your beer?”
“Can you touch your asshole with your penis?” he asks.
“No” says Little Johnny.
“Then you’re not old enough.”
Time passes and they continue to fish. Little Johnny gets hungry and he reaches into his lunch box, takes out a bag of cookies and eats one.
The grandfather looks at him and says, “They look good, can I have one of your cookies?”
“Can you touch your asshole with your penis?” asks Johnny.
“I most certainly can!” says the grandfather proudly.
“Then go fuck yourself,” says Johnny, “these are my cookies!”
November 21, 2008 at 10:44
A blonde, a red head, and a brunette were walking on the beach when they found a magic lamp.
They began rubbing it and genie came out and said, “You each may have one wish.”
The red head thought for a while and said, “Even though blondes are stupid, they have so more fun, I wish to be blonde.” and she was turned blonde.
The brunette agreed, “That’s true, I really want to have more fun too, even though I’ll be dumber, I wish to be blonde” and she became blonde also.
The blonde looks at the two other blondes and said, “I just don’t think I have enough fun. I don’t care if I becomer even more dumb, make me more blonde, woo!”
So the genie granted her wish and made her a man.
November 21, 2008 at 10:45
chary – thats funny, next week dennis will learn the double figured numbers
November 21, 2008 at 10:46
xeeez –
November 21, 2008 at 10:47
Xeex, I remember the rag tops sticking the boot into TH!4 frequently for being too moody on the pitch and not showing captaincy quality.
It’s a standard modus operandi in the UK for the media to use any opportunity to undermine Arsenal.
You have to live with it.
November 21, 2008 at 10:47
ddm i cant,
all this other clubs are taking the piss out of us,we are a laughing stock at the mo.
when will we get the free flowing arsenal back that we know?
when will we get the 100% passion back when the players put on the great red shirt?
cor blimey no wonder cesc has been the way he has,
he know’s there’s to many wrongs at arsenal for him and us to win trophies,no wonder kolo has gone into his shell.
we need a real leader and his name aint gallas!
November 21, 2008 at 10:47
This one’s for Geoff…………
Dad with his little girl i the back garden.
She begins to ask questions on the wildlife. She asks “Is that a Mummylonglegs underneath that Daddylonglegs?”
Dad replies “No sweety, there’s no Mummylonglegs, only Daddylonglegs!”
At this point, dad is feeling very proud of his daughter’s inquisitive mind. Until she suddenly stamps on them both and says “We’ll have none of that gay shit in MY back garden!”
November 21, 2008 at 10:48
Teacher ask the class to come up with a sentence using the word marvellous.
Little Sally stuck her hand up and said “Miss, My mum and Dad took me and my brother to the zoo and we had a marvellous time”
“Very good” said the teacher.”Now can anyone give me a sentence with the word marvellous in it twice”. The class fell silent for a couple of minutes then all of sudden Billy stuck his hand up.
“Yes Billy” said the teacher. “Miss I’ve got a sentence”. said Billy
“Go on then” said the teacher.
Billy piped up “My dad said it to my 16 year old sister when she came home and said she was pregnant. Dad turned round and said “Marvellous…fucking marvellous”
November 21, 2008 at 10:49
Charlie marries a virgin. On their wedding night, he’s on fire, and wants some dirty fun so he gets naked, jumps into bed, and immediately begins groping her. “Charles, I expect you to be as mannerly in bed as you are at the dinner table.” So, Charlie folds his hands on his lap and says, “Is this better?” “Much better!” she replies with a smile. “Okay, then,” he says, “now will you please pass the pussy.”
November 21, 2008 at 10:50
chary – i was trying to list all the positive things about keeping WG as captain…..
November 21, 2008 at 10:52
No.1 – I totally agree fella, but i refuse to get bent outta shape today, i’ve been like that for so long recently, and i’ve decided that c*nts like Gallas aren’t worth my time!
November 21, 2008 at 10:53
A doctor was having an affair with his nurse. Shortly afterward, she told him she was pregnant. Not wanting his wife to know, he gave the nurse a sum of money and asked her to go to Italy and have the baby there. “But how will I let you know the baby is born?” she asked. He replied, “Just send me a postcard and write ’spaghetti’ on the back. I’ll take care of expenses.” Not knowing what else to do, the nurse took the money and flew to Italy.
Six months went by and then one day the doctor’s wife called him at the office and explained, “Dear, you received a very strange postcard in the mail today from Europe, and I don’t understand what it means.” The doctor said, “Just wait until I get home and I will explain it to you.”
Later that evening, the doctor came home, read the postcard, fell to the floor with a heart
attack. Paramedics rushed him to the ER. The lead medic stayed back to comfort the wife.
He asked what trauma had precipitated the cardiac arrest. So the wife picked up the card and read, “‘Spaghetti, Spaghetti, Spaghetti, Spaghetti – Two with sausage and meatballs, two without.’”
November 21, 2008 at 10:54
Having been invited to tha annual dinner of the Premature Ejaculation Society. I asked if there was a dress code, and they said “No, just come as you are”………boom boom
November 21, 2008 at 10:54
Did anyone hear about our number 4 goallie,Wojciech Szczęsny, breaking both his arms ? Ouch !
November 21, 2008 at 10:56
Oh right DDM – that was too subtle for me – kinda went under my radar.
November 21, 2008 at 10:56
How is Gallas any worse the Henry as captain, an a great supporter of Reyes and the kids with his encouraging scowls, Vieria, getting sent off regularly and pissing us about with will he/won’t he summers, before that Big Tone, a year in jail for off pitch antics. Bring back McLintock I say. Willy G is alright by me.
November 21, 2008 at 10:57
ddmm… im with u fella… we’ve got so few players for the man city game we’re fucked and i expect nothing… not loosing would be nice though for a change!! oh how the times have changed!!!
November 21, 2008 at 10:58
Colonel… my thoughts exactly.
November 21, 2008 at 10:58
A woman walks into a drugstore and asks the pharmacist if he sells size extra large condoms. He replies, “Yes we do. Would you like to buy some?” She responds, “No sir, but do you mind if I wait around here until someone does?”
November 21, 2008 at 11:00
A guy’s talking to a girl in a bar.
He says, “What’s your name?”
She says, “Carmen.”
He says, “That’s a nice name. Who named you, your mother?”
She says, “No, I named myself.”
He says, “Why Carmen?”
She says, “Because I like cars and I like men. What’s your name?”
He says, “Beerfuck.”
November 21, 2008 at 11:01
chary – i saw that, a freak accident in the gym, idiot didnt set the weights right and slipped. Out for three months!
SSN’s are loving the stuff on Gallas – when will he learn
As much as its grates me, i have to go and do some housework and stuff, and leave you fine folk for a while…
Catch you all later – be nice
November 21, 2008 at 11:02
The science teacher stood in the front of the class and said, “Children, if you could have one raw material in the world, what would it be?”
Little Stevie raised his hand and said “I would want gold, because gold is worth a lot of money and I could buy a Corvette.” The teacher nodded, and then she called on little Susie.
Little Susie said, “I would want platinum because platinum is worth more than gold and I could buy a Porsche.” The teacher smiled, and then she called on Little Johnny.
Little Johnny stood up and said, “I would want silicone.” The teacher said, “Silicone? Why silicone, Little Johnny?” “Because my mom has two bags of the stuff and you should
see all the sports cars outside our house!”
November 21, 2008 at 11:02
i’ll be honest with you chary, it was all bollox, i just had an attack of the dodgy digits!!
November 21, 2008 at 11:04
ATom – How’s my fellow Hall Of Famer?
November 21, 2008 at 11:04
Bloody hell – Gallas has a book coming out for Christmas – thats what its all about….
Off now
November 21, 2008 at 11:06
His book is out today….. Oh my goodness!!!!!!!!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 11:06
I guess Gallas has just become the focal point for eveyone’s angst at our current situation, but he does set himself up though by running to the press. Correct me if i’m wrong, but i don’t remember PV04 or Th14 slating fellow team members to the press!
November 21, 2008 at 11:13
He is not a bad captain.
People compare Marmite to recent skippers Tony Adams and Patrick Vieira and that is not fair.
Adams and Vieira were fantastic Arsenal leaders but look at who they had around them. Adams had Keown, Bould, Dixon, Seaman etc, and Vieira had Henry, Gilberto, Bergkamp, Parlour, Campbell etc.
Leaders surrounded them.
I know he doesn’t make things easy for himself with his outbursts but for the most part he is right. He only says what we Gooners talk about yet he is destroyed for it.
I ask you, if Fabregas or Toure were captain and either came out with half the stuff Gallas said would they be as criticised? I think not.
November 21, 2008 at 11:17
Morning all
I don’t like all this talk of disharmony in the camp. What kind of a captain sqeals on his team-mates to the press – oh the kind that has a book coming out!!!!!!
Do we have a PR dept at Arsenal FC? Arsene tells us untruths, the board spin us untruths, Gallas gives an interview which we now know – thanks to rico – is to promote his book, with no prep from anyone!!!! He should be gagged.
. . . . . . oh and dropped as captain IMO.
November 21, 2008 at 11:18
DDM – PV04 had a much better qulaity team aroungd him -he didn’t need to ask them to perform, the likes of Freddy, Bobby, Denis and the back 4 were not a bunch of spoilt brats.
It’s piss easy to be captain of side doing well, the true test is when things aren’t going so well.
November 21, 2008 at 11:18
ddm… its all good brother!! and urself?
gallas has to go… he’s a good player but a bad influence… plus if he stays wenger wont be able to use his old gem of…
‘this side has fantastic spirit’
November 21, 2008 at 11:19
We were top of the league last year when Gallas threw his strop!!
November 21, 2008 at 11:20
Wrighty – are you carrying Gallas’ chip for him? Should any captain publicly critices his team-mates?
November 21, 2008 at 11:21
Avenell, perhaps he threw his strop because he could see what was to follow. The kids bottling it.
And what happened ?
November 21, 2008 at 11:22
Peaches, if the private criticism hasn’t worked – which it clearly hasn’t – is it not worth trying a different approach ?
November 21, 2008 at 11:23
Chary …. Or he helped cause it, slating Clichy for a mistake that he put right, but the ref got wrong for instance.
November 21, 2008 at 11:23
ahahaha book coming out today… priceless!!
prepared to rat on his team to get free PR…. says it all
November 21, 2008 at 11:24
chary… but thats when he should have stood up and said to them..
‘listen we came back from a goal down after what happened to eddie and got fucked by a shit ref, we still got a point, we didnt give up, dont let this affect us in the next game, it was only a draw’
thats how captains should behave, not stropping and not just looking after yourself when it gets tough… look at JT after the england game he came out in post match interview and took full responsibility for the cock-up and thats the end of it nothing else for the journo’s to write about
November 21, 2008 at 11:25
oh mr gallas what is it with french publications, will u ever learn we have barely gotten over the theo quotes which were also mis quoted,
November 21, 2008 at 11:26
I could handle it more if Gallas has been a perfect defender, but I have seen more goals come from players he is supposed to be marking than any other Arsenal player..
November 21, 2008 at 11:27
Ha ha Peaches, I like that.
I think the captain has every right to criticize the side, for the right reasons. He’s only saying what we’ve been moaning about, the players lack bottle and determination.
I make him right.
If Fabregas was captain and said the same how would you react then?
November 21, 2008 at 11:28
Even at 10 years younger than Gallas, Fabregas isn’t as stupid..
November 21, 2008 at 11:30
I think we need a clear out – starting with Gallas. We have several ‘non-team players’. I say that based on performances on the pitch not dressing room rumours. A player who doesn’t play for the side on the pitch is not going to be popular in the dressing room. Players securing massive pay rises by threatening to leave and giving interviews to foreign magazines that are going to be reported in the UK will not be popular with their team mates.
We can sell players and we should be able to buy players. A new player can take anything from 2 months to 2 years to gel with the team, but surely the problems we have cannot be fixed with the current players so we need to overhaul the squad.
November 21, 2008 at 11:30
Avenell – we’ll never know how the cause-effect situation there would have worked out had Arsenal Tom’s suggested approach worked out.
I also don’t buy this stuff about how slagging your team off will up your book sales – Gallas isn’t going to lok at the Cashley scenario and think “Gee, it worked so well for Ashley I think I’ll undermine my team to make my book a best seller”.
We are in severe danger of slipping out of the top 4 and instead of the youngsters upping their game they’re thinknig about the big fat pay checks they get and what it’ll be like playing in Spain or Italy we are shooting the messenger.
Do I think Gallas is a tool or has a desire to win ?
The tabloids would have you believe the former but I know whose judgement I trust.
November 21, 2008 at 11:31
chary – we don’t really know how much private criticism theres been though do we? Surely the next stage would be for the manager to give the team a good dressing-down not for Gallas to go to the press.
I think it also sends out the signal that Gallas doesn’t trust Wenger to inspire the team which is something a lot of us said last week. Would also explain Wengers fury at Gallas – if thats true.
If we have no leader on or off the pitch then we are in real trouble
November 21, 2008 at 11:31
Wasn’t Fabregas moaning about the squad a little while ago?
Why wasn’t he taken apart like Gallas?
November 21, 2008 at 11:33
gallas shouldnt be talking about people fighting at half time and mentioning people insulting each other… this is the arsenal and we dont behave like this… airing all our dirty laundry in public, gallas knows nothing of the arsenal way… id lock him in a room with keown for half an hour then see if the cunt wants to spill the beans all the time
November 21, 2008 at 11:34
Wrighty.. Fabregas went straight on Arsenal.com and denied he said them within 1 day!
November 21, 2008 at 11:35
Exactly Wrighty7, didn’t Robin complain about Arsenal not competing on the wage front enough to keep big players ?
Had Gallas come out with that SSN and the red tops would’ve gone into overdrive.
Peaches – the private criticisms should have started at Fulham, and the managerial ones by Hull. We’ve been beaten twice more since then – clearly the softly softly apporach isn’t working.
November 21, 2008 at 11:37
Col Mustard has said it all. For you guys that act like Gallas is Joey Barton+Roy Keane+Robbie Savage rolled into one you remind of English fans blaming England’s 1998 world cup exit on beckham, 2006 exit on Cristiano Ronaldo. I mean how could he have been responsible for Rooney being sent off. Guys wake up to the reality. Things are actually worse at the club than we have ever imagined.
£100 million plus wage bill is apparently being wasted. The fans have been voicing our concern. Arsene actually accussed us once for not showing enough support. We came out on the defensive initially then eventually we agreed to increase our support. Gallas is being blamed from all circles of being the worst captain football has ever seen. He comes out defends himself, highlights ‘LITTLE’ that has been going on, Tries to rally his troops who have been approaching games with the wrong mindset. And now we are all acting like its his fault that Fabrgas cant create as much as he used to last season, or for walcotts bad link up play. Or for even Arsene’s lack of transfer activity. Comon guys
November 21, 2008 at 11:37
Didn’t Vieira and Lauren have a punch up on the Arsenal coach?
That was mentioned straight away, but because we were winning then it was dismissed as hand bags.
Didn’t Gallas split up an argument? And he’s seen as the villian? I’m sorry but I think that he is just being held as a scapegoat for Arsenal struggling.
November 21, 2008 at 11:38
I have to go out so can’t be around to see if anyone agrees with my ‘clear-out’ suggestion, but if Michael P is correct, the board may be thinking along the same lines. I can’t see PHW being happy with Gallas – but then he’s a prick any way!
November 21, 2008 at 11:40
Yes he did Avenell but if Gallas did the same would you believe him?
I think some Gooners opinion’s of Gallas is so low that he wouldn’t be believed anyway.
November 21, 2008 at 11:40
Seb, I heard about the book today… but I couldn’t find any evidence, so I didn’t mention it!
November 21, 2008 at 11:41
I have already heard Perry Groves saying Gallas should be stripped of his captaicy and be sold in January.
It will be interesting to hear what the other ex players like FM5 have to say on this matter..
November 21, 2008 at 11:41
Gallas has been caught out like this before – didn’t he slate Theo in an interview just before a game?
I’m not defending him because I believe what he said is damaging to the team but he obviously isn’t very intelligent and if he is to be giving interviews he should be prepped by the PR dept not to put his foot in it.
Fabregas has shown to be intelligent in his comments, so has Clichy and I don’t believe either would disrespect the good name of Arsenal.
November 21, 2008 at 11:42
http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/11/21/Premier-League-Gallas-on-future/
Fuck off. He don’t deserve to wear Arsenal shirt. Fuck off Gallas to France. You bastard
November 21, 2008 at 11:42
Gallas joined Arsenal because Henry was here, he thought he would be winning things after one year, I just looked at some old quotes of his from last year. But since things started to go wrong early last year, he has been throwing the toys out of his pram. He knows he doesn’t have long left to win things, so he is flipping out at the rest of the team. Time is running out, things aren’t working out, so he starts flailing around verbally because he doesn’t know what else to do. He is harming his own prospects, and the problem is he is not intelligent enough to realise that he is doing it. He should not be captain.
Remember when he was all, “I am enjoying my new role as leader of this young team, I want to help them improve,” and now it’s ‘we have no spine and no fight, we are not warriors’
Try for a moment to imagine being a player of 20 or 21 under that kind of captaincy – you respect your captain for what he has done in his career, the trophies he has won etc, you have tried to listen to him and follow him, and now he is telling everyone you don’t have enough bottle and you are letting him down? What will that do to you?
You don’t motivate young people by telling everyone else they are shit, you do it by praise and if needed a quiet word in private! Or even strong words in the dressing room, which creates a feeling of togetherness and moving forward together, not tearing them down in a magazine.
Our team is young, there is fuck all we can do about that at the moment, it’s not ideal, but surely it makes sense to treat people in the way that causes a good reaction? We’ll see if it has done that tomorrow. I don’t see a whole lot of other Arsenal players coming out today and endorsing Gallas’ comments btw.
and ive failed by getting drawn into this bloody argument again…
November 21, 2008 at 11:43
yeah I can’t see anything about it either tbh Pedro, was just reacting to other grovers’ comments :S
November 21, 2008 at 11:43
GUYS IVE GOT A VERY GOOD ARTICLE BASED ON AN INTERVIEW VIEIRA GAVE IN 2001.
November 21, 2008 at 11:44
Are you ready for it? Brace yourselves for those of you that have been comparing Gallas to Vieira be ready to swallow humble pie
November 21, 2008 at 11:44
Peaches,
Do you think Fabregas is ready to be Arsenal captain though? I don’t think he is. He is struggling at the minute, having the captaincy would be an even bigger burden on him. It’s kill him.
Clichy? I actually think that he could be captain one day but not at the moment. He’s too quiet and not ready.
November 21, 2008 at 11:45
Seb – the point is how many toimes do the kids have to screw up before you realise the carrot apporach isn’t working.
We now darn well thery have the ability to turn it on WHEN THEY WANT TO – but it’s their attitude which is being questioned by Gallas.
In an ideal world these stories shouldn’t come out the way they did, but then neither should Bambi’s mother have to die but we live in an imperfect world.
November 21, 2008 at 11:46
French midfielder Patrick Vieira stepped up his bid to leave Arsenal on Monday with a stinging attack on the club’s board, his teammates and Arsene Wenger’s summer signings.
The 25-year-old France international said he wants a new challenge and doubts the Premier League’s runners-up will finish in the top five next season.
“I need to leave because I want to win more trophies and I just cannot see that happening at Arsenal,” Vieira told the Sun newspaper. “Certainly not over the next few years, anyway.
“Comparing Arsenal to the big clubs in Europe this season is going to be quite ridiculous. I do not honestly see Arsenal finishing in the top five in the (Premier) league — and you can forget the Champions League.”
Vieira, considered one of the standout players in England last season, has been linked with moves to Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus and Manchester United.
Vieira said he was not impressed with the arrival of Francis Jeffers, Giovanni van Bronckhorst and probably Richard Wright at Arsenal.
“When I told (manager) Arsene Wenger I was leaving, he said to me, `I have 25 million pounds ($53.8 million Cdn) to spend on a few players.’ My answer was, `Obviously, Mr. Wenger, you are not shopping in Harrod’s.
“‘That will only buy you one good player.’ Now I have been proved right.
“Arsene Wenger has signed two `hopeful’ players who haven’t proved themselves in the Premiership yet. One of them is a boy of 20.
“You can’t compete with the best clubs in Europe by making these kind of signings.”
Vieira said Wenger needed five world-class players to compete in Europe.
“With 25 million pounds in the kitty, Arsenal is not a great European club,” Vieira said. “With that budget they won’t even be among the top 20 clubs in Europe.”
Fellow Frenchmen Robert Pires, Thierry Henry, Sylvain Wiltord and Gilles Grimandi have urged Vieira to remain at Highbury.
“I have given 100 per cent to Arsenal over the last five years,” Vieira said. “They have only been there for a year or so.
“They have won nothing with Arsenal. They should stay and try to win things for the club before they open their mouths.
“My message to these players is that they have their lives and I have mine.”
November 21, 2008 at 11:46
oho spurdozer the shit has hit the fan
I don’t think we’ll see him in the shirt again, he is nailing his colours to the mast
ALL HAIL OUR LOYAL CAPTAIN
November 21, 2008 at 11:48
AHA
November 21, 2008 at 11:50
chary – Excellant point fella, Gallas does have the misfortune of having to babysit a bunch of underachieving munglers………Add to that the very distinct possibibility that AW may have made him promises/assurances about having experienced, quality purchases to compliment these kida and you have one very pissed off Willie!
November 21, 2008 at 11:53
That’s what I’m trying to say in my own roundabout way DDM.
Plus doesn’t Cesc often say he want to finsh his career in Spain ? The dichotomy in the treatment of different players shows up again.
November 21, 2008 at 11:55
Before anyone jumps on Gallas wanting to leave one day and go to France, think first.
These quotes could have come at anytime in Gallas’ career. Papers whip this stuff up all the time.
I’d like to give the benefit of the doubt to Gallas, who is an Arsenal player, over the shit-stirring press!
November 21, 2008 at 11:55
ATom – Everything is groovy, especially after a rather spangly triple-shot capuccino!
November 21, 2008 at 11:56
Hasn’t Cesc also said he wants to finish in Spain?
Whats the difference between the two?
Double standards again………………………..
November 21, 2008 at 11:56
I’m always trying to say this Wrighty7 – it’s in the press’ interest to run us down – of course they’ll trawl through old quotes to fit the angle they’re using to attack us, as per f**king usual.
November 21, 2008 at 11:57
Greetings Grovers!
I have a sociology project due for today and I had 10 weeks to do it but i started it this morning. How great is that!!
It really buts things in perspective doesnt it.
November 21, 2008 at 11:58
Chary,
I totally agree. The press can use any old quote to make their story look realistic.
Funny how it gets mentioned now when Gallas is up against isn’t it?
November 21, 2008 at 11:59
Franchise, do your research properly mate:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/i-considered-leaving-arsenal-vieira-admits-665709.html
Wednesday, 15 August 2001
Patrick Vieira has admitted that he “seriously considered” leaving Arsenal this summer because of interest from some of Europe’s biggest clubs.
The 25-year-old, currently in France with his national side for their friendly international against Denmark, was courted by Manchester United, Juventus and Real Madrid.
“I seriously considered leaving Arsenal; the interested clubs were great ones,” Arsenal’s new vice-captain told the French paper L’Equipe. “But I’ve never met any of these clubs’ managers on a one-to-one basis. And if I’ve finally decided to stay, it’s because I’m convinced that Arsenal and I can reach new heights together. We have what it takes to go very far in the Champions’ League. We can win the Premiership.”
Arsenal have finished second in the Premiership, behind Manchester United, in the past three seasons.
The Frenchman dismissed reports published in the Sun at the end of June quoting him as saying that he wanted a fresh challenge and to leave Arsenal because the team was not good enough.
“This was invented from A to Z,” he said. “I don’t know who did it but I can assure you that I’m still looking.”
“When that interview was published I was on holiday in Las Vegas and Miami and, of course, I never spoke to a journalist from that paper. Someone pretended it was me or one of my relatives, and these absurd comments were then taken by other newspapers, agencies or web sites who never check anything.
“After I found out about this interview I called [the Arsenal manager] Arsène Wenger and sorted out everything.”
November 21, 2008 at 11:59
For Christ’s sake let leave Gallas alone.
don’t crucify a guy for being honest and upfront with you. If we should criticize Gallas, it would be for the headers he lost against Hull, Stoke and the way he was beaten one on one by Agbonlahor. Lets face it he has not been great at the backline for the team. But who should spot that and fix it? The Coach, AW. He hasn’t and for me he is the failure here. We all suspect that the backroom has some problems, and it is not helped by the coach who papers over the cracks. AW, truth be told is not ruthless enough for these times. Don’t even get me going on his signings for Arsenal for the past 3 years.
November 21, 2008 at 12:00
It’s timing Wrighty. Gallas could have said it before. or some other time. It isn’t double standard. It’s fucking obvious.
November 21, 2008 at 12:01
When Gallas comes out later today and says how everything was taken out of context and how he is committed to the club, then we can move on.
November 21, 2008 at 12:01
WTF is that Franchise. Where did you find the article. Give me the source.
November 21, 2008 at 12:02
If these are old quotes why has Gallas been told to get his arse back to Arsenal and do NOT give anymore interviews?
November 21, 2008 at 12:03
Spurdozer,
What I’m saying is Gallas may have said that when he played for Chelsea mate!
The papers have probably pulled it out of some draw in the office and thought,
“Hang on, perfect time to use this again”
November 21, 2008 at 12:04
It has gotten to the point with Gallas that even my mates hate him. A liverpool fan text me a while ago saying how much he hates Gallas and that he is the worst captain ever, Even though its not his place to say so and that I also hate when he slags arseanl, he does have a point. If a liverpool fan can see it then why doesnt Wenger see it. The mind boggles!
November 21, 2008 at 12:04
Wrighty, we’re singing from the same song sheet!
November 21, 2008 at 12:04
I go back to what I said earlier, even if Gallas did go on Arsenal.com would you believe him?
November 21, 2008 at 12:05
Paulinho,
Its a great song sheet!
November 21, 2008 at 12:05
Now he’s getting stuck in to Nasri: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/soccer/wires/11/21/2080.ap.soc.france.gallas.1st.ld.writethru.0371/index.html
November 21, 2008 at 12:05
Another thing that, Gallas has been saying fucking obvious that we can’t win the league. Every gooner is saying that. But there is a lot of difference b/w a supporter and a captain. Captain has some fucking responsibilities. A captain could be a supporter but is every supporte a captain? han! NO. And I’m afraid to say Gallas is neither
November 21, 2008 at 12:06
Arseblog is literally creaming his pants after this one isn’t he? I bet his blog is full of indignation and calling for Gallas to be led to the gallows at dawn.
November 21, 2008 at 12:07
Nice one Seb
November 21, 2008 at 12:08
this refers to Gallas’ book published today, and to an incident referred to in the book with a player believed to be Samir Nasri! Great news… -.-
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/soccer/wires/11/21/2080.ap.soc.france.gallas.1st.ld.writethru.0371/index.html
Call me a cynic, but is it entirely coincidental that Gallas spouts off yesterday, noone seems to know about his book coming out, then today the book is released? No?
November 21, 2008 at 12:08
I’d love to continue this but I have to go out.
I just want you all to know, even though I disagree with some of you on Gallas I respect your opinions.
What is clear is all is not well at Arsenal and we all want what is best for our club.
Keep it Goonerish…………..
November 21, 2008 at 12:09
Gallas has played with alot more fire and veracity than a certain Cesc Fabregas this season. Getting goals and generally giving a shit while Cesc mopes around.
Bet Cesc has the right attitude cause he spews out cliches etc. Cesc hasn’t backed up his words for a long time. Gallas, god love him, has on many occasions.
November 21, 2008 at 12:09
Another rift with sammy. hoho. surprise. Is there anyone in the world left with whom Gallas hadn’t had a rift
November 21, 2008 at 12:11
You watch all the hypocrites in the media fighthing over eachother to get the rights to a few chapters of Willy G’s book when it gets published.
If Gallas hasn’t been assassinated by then……
November 21, 2008 at 12:14
Paulinho, the one thing Cesc has always done over the years is come out and refute any crap in the media about him, while also playing like a legend. He has had a bad season so far and noone would deny that, but you do have to wonder why that is.
Afaik Gallas doesn’t seem to have come out to clear things up yet.
November 21, 2008 at 12:17
from gallas…
“But if I go it won’t be to just anywhere. I’d go to a big club or nowhere at all. The choices look simple to me – it would be Marseille, Lyon, Paris Saint-Germain or, let’s not forget, Bordeaux.
gallas + 5m for cana in jan!!! make it fucking happen
November 21, 2008 at 12:17
Plus that wanker Gallas took the no 10 when he came here. What kind of a twat takes a strikers number when they are a defender. he should have just takes 28 or something. and why the fuck did AW give Diaby no2. WTF is going on???????
November 21, 2008 at 12:18
Gallas hasnt backed up fuck all,, all he has done is be a shite captain who mouths off to the press!!! i havent seen cesc doing that! Cesc is having a hard time of it just now and that is down to not playing along side a natural DM, he aint superman he cant do everything in the centre of midfield. Cesc was magical last season and id trade his last seasons form for 10 seasons of Gallas on form!!!
November 21, 2008 at 12:18
stu if that wasn’t an ego alert I don’t know what is
November 21, 2008 at 12:19
We can keep moaning about Gallas. There are serious issues with this team. If we win nothing this season it would not be because Gallas is captain. Who cares about captain anyway. If a so called 25 yr old cant listen to Gallas would they listen to Cesc. Dream on
November 21, 2008 at 12:21
Okay guys. Bye. Ciao
November 21, 2008 at 12:21
ddm, u must be bounching off the walls mate… lunch time soon… a nice friday chill out with a couple of pernoni’s!! oh yes!!!
November 21, 2008 at 12:21
I thought giving Gallas the no10 was a good move by Arsenal.
It took the pressure of the next striker who comes in who would struggle to get anywhere near as good as the legend DB10.
November 21, 2008 at 12:21
Taking the number 10? Ya, he thinks he is bergkamp or something. maybe the smoking gave him brain damage.
November 21, 2008 at 12:22
If Gallas wasn’t getting slated every week for his captaincy and then released these quotes, I would agree is out of order.
But the guy is seen as the reason for everything that goes wrong with us and that is completle bollocks. He is filly within his rights to come out and defend himself in those circumstances, and out a few of the tossers in our dressing room who are happy to keep quiet, pick up their wages, and swan around the pitch every saturday doing nothing.
All those who expect our problems to disappear if/when he gets stripped of the captaincy will be sadly mistaken. His absence didn’t exactly help at Stoke.
November 21, 2008 at 12:22
Stu whats your point? John Terry wears no 26. Can u explain that? I can sense serious symptoms of IWS (International Week Syndrome). A lot of u on here are being too sensitive.
November 21, 2008 at 12:22
Yes fellow Gooners! Aloha!
So, any thoughts or predictions on the Man City game?
Lawro is predicting 2-1 to the Gunners!
November 21, 2008 at 12:23
Hey Guys,
I’ve just read this article: Link
Do you reckon this bit is from a Grover?
November 21, 2008 at 12:23
Franchise, it has nothing to do with age. I know there will never be another TA but he was captain at 21 and was amazing. even when he first got into the team he was ordering people around and they all listened to him. The players should do what the captain says regardless of age.
November 21, 2008 at 12:24
In a way i feel for WG, he’s a born winner with a proven track record, and quite frankly he’s surrounded by sub-standard players who are struggling to string two decent performances together, AND i include Fab4 in that statement, because he’s been fucking anonymous so far this season………..
November 21, 2008 at 12:25
Thats just my point Franchise. Numbers above 11 can be allocated to any position. I just prefer when a defender has a low number and the strikers have the high ones (between 1-11 that is.)
November 21, 2008 at 12:26
Looks like Gallas-gate is gonna roll and roll for a while longer……groan….
November 21, 2008 at 12:26
ATom – Work is like a fecking morgue at the moment, hence the triple shotter! I do have a hot date with a Makro Warehouse this afternoon though, to pick up my Crimbo Peroni’s………….happy days!
November 21, 2008 at 12:27
Agreed DDM.
When you are surrounded by poor players, what are you supposed to do? Surely this whole issue lies with the coach.
Great players like to play with great players. FACT
How many players have we lost over this issue?
November 21, 2008 at 12:27
i think the fact the press have been murdering gallas has affected the players view of him to… if they keep reading that gallas defending was shit and thats why we conceded another goal then they will look at him and think the same which is why theres no respect
November 21, 2008 at 12:27
This born winner Gallas has only won 2 premierships and a CC with a team that we all know bought the title with dirty money.
Oh and a french division2 championship..
November 21, 2008 at 12:28
Agreed Franchise, it’s not all down to Gallas by any means. There are issues with lack of signings, tactics, injuries etc etc.
For me the Gallas stuff would explain a hell of a lot about our mental frailty this season – good players don’t become bad overnight, but if the dressing room is divided or unhappy, that can really fuck things up for you.
I can remember how happy Van Persie sounded last season I think, when he was talking about how everyone in the team was prepared to run for each other and work for each other. That was the backbone of our success until early last year, togetherness and team ethic. It was a big blow losing Flamini and Hleb who were a big part of that togetherness, but I’m sure we can get it back with the right people coming in.
A dream January for me would mean a united happy team again, which may or may not involve something happeneing with Gallas and/or the captaincy, and two or three great players coming in. That would be the best xmas present ever
and I promise not to argue about it anymore, it’s a bit wearing now…
November 21, 2008 at 12:28
Afternoon Pedro, what are americans?
November 21, 2008 at 12:29
If Gallas-gate adds some fire and passi0on to our performances from here on, it can only be a good thing, no?
Anyway, lets focus on winning tomorrow. If we beat City, and United lose to Villa, we’re back in 3rd spot.
All about building a good run towards January.
Theo getting injured, Gallas mouthing off….I’m positive this will lead to some good signings in January.
Van Buyten, Yaya Toure and Huntelaar…come on down!!!
November 21, 2008 at 12:29
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/3495454/Arsenal-should-be-privately-pleased-that-William-Gallas-highlighted-failings-at-Emirates-Football.html
This is more like it.
November 21, 2008 at 12:29
They are…….?
November 21, 2008 at 12:29
haha! Well, some of them aren’t too sharp (Emphasis on SOME)!
That e-mail was hilarious.
November 21, 2008 at 12:31
That’s just a few examples. There are loads more around somewhere. You would be surprised by the amount of them that continuously get the first question wrong!
George Bush doesnt stand alone.
November 21, 2008 at 12:32
ddm nice mate…. very nice!!
i agree that gallas has to go now though… his fault or not this is too much disruption during and already difficult international week…
let him go to france and get someone back in a swap deal…
cana, benzema, ben arfa, landrau (GK) im sure theres plenty of players who would improve us… but he needs to go now to get this squad back together as a unit, imagine what the atmosphere’s gonna be like in the dressing room on saturday
November 21, 2008 at 12:35
Anyone else getting bored of talking about Gallas??
November 21, 2008 at 12:36
If this 3 player purchase in January comes to fruition, then i would like David Villa, David Silva and Cana please thank you very much. Then Fab4 might feel it’s worth his while to stay, WG might start focussing on the positives of the squad and the youngsters like JW and AR might learn a lot quicker with this type of quality player around them rather than that lumbering fucking bullock Song………
November 21, 2008 at 12:36
yeah michael, i concur,
November 21, 2008 at 12:37
then we’re all agreed…
November 21, 2008 at 12:38
DDM, 3 players? more like three players we will send out on loan i fear
November 21, 2008 at 12:38
ddm…less of the song-talk! lmao!
November 21, 2008 at 12:41
very
November 21, 2008 at 12:44
so only the the one ball eh……?
November 21, 2008 at 12:44
ha!
November 21, 2008 at 12:50
Gallas might be surrounded by poor players but he is a poor player himself. He has made mistakes this season so have others. But if people say if the players wont listen to gallas then what is the chances they will listen to cesc? I would say alot more considering Cesc has been at the club longer than Gallas, played more games for the club than Gallas, and although you cannot compare the two’s ability because they play different positions, is a better player than Gallas. I think there is more chance the players would listen to Cesc than Gallas, especially now that Gallas has publically critised them.
For me wenger should strip Gallas of the captaincy immediately, drop the cunt, make toure captain and cesc vice captain, sit them down in a room together and say “right Gallas is gone…. it looks like we are fucked in terms of winning the title, but im asking you guys to lift the team on the pitch. We have a very outside chance of winning it but there are also 3 other cups to fight for. If you guys dont think you are up to the task then say now or forever hold your peace. With you two in your new roles then this gives us something to build on for the rest of the season and going forward into the future and for fuck sake stay away from the press”
And then march them straight onto the training ground and say “right boys no more fuckin about these two lads are our new captain and vice captain, They have been at this club longer than the rest of you so dont question where their loyalty lies and listen to them”
November 21, 2008 at 12:52
And as toure’s first piece of captaincy would to tell wenger not to fucking play SONG!!!!!!
They should also be asked for their opinion on who should play in games aswell….. just their opinion though!!
Maybe this way Song might not get a game! lol
November 21, 2008 at 12:53
Right, i’m off to buy a whole pallet of Personi’s, keep it real Grovers
November 21, 2008 at 12:53
Back to Gallas! A little more developmetn on the story from footy365….
A furious Arsene Wenger is understood to be considering stripping William Gallas of the Arsenal captaincy in the wake of the defender’s astonishing outburst that laid bare the scale of the dressing-room disharmony at the Emirates.
Only three players in the Arsenal squad are aged 25 – Bacary Sagna, Emmanuel Eboue and the notoriously-volatile Robin van Persie. The Dutchman has been named by The Sun as ‘fighting’ with Theo Walcott at half-time during the North London derby.
Wenger has yet to speak publicly about Gallas’ outburst, although he is facing fresh mounting pressure to strip his compatriot of the armband.
‘Wenger, a stickler for the sanctity of the dressing-room, is furious that internal problems have been made public and is understood to have said as much to Gallas in a meeting at the club’s training ground yesterday,’ reports The Times. ‘Wenger will not take any action before tomorrow’s Barclays Premier League visit to Manchester City but he plans to review the captaincy over the next couple of weeks, with Cesc Fabregas and Gaël Clichy the most likely successors.’
It’s gonna get ugly…
November 21, 2008 at 12:55
This could be a blessing in disguise…..we needed somethinn to shake things up, stir a bit of agression and passion…..go on Billy!!!
November 21, 2008 at 12:59
Stripping the captaincy from Gallas whilst he is still at the club would cause even more unrest in the dressing room. If Arsene reckons he is a first teamer then he should keep him as captain until the end of the season. I dont even see any valid reasons wy he should be stripped of captaincy.
November 21, 2008 at 13:02
Get the boys together at the training ground, get them to pull together and ignore the media villifying Gallas’ comments.
Focus on beating Man City on saturday.
Keep Gallas as captain and focus on THE GAMES WE HAVE AHEAD.
November 21, 2008 at 13:06
Kenny, listen to Cesc say what? The obvious? Pass the ball? Don’t give up?
Honestly, the over-emphasis given to captaincy is laughable.
November 21, 2008 at 13:06
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/3495454/Arsenal-should-be-privately-pleased-that-William-Gallas-highlighted-failings-at-Emirates-Football.html
November 21, 2008 at 13:07
IT WOULDNT CAUSE UNREST BECAUSE GALLAS IS THE SOURCE OF THE UNREST!!!!!
ITS NOT FAIR ON THE FANS!!! WE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SPEND THE MONEY GOING TO GAMES AND BUYING THE SHIRTS.
HE GETS PAID £90,000 A WEEK AND ARSENAL MEANS FUCK ALL TO HIM COMPARED TO WHAT IT MEANS FOR US.
HE GETS PAID ALL THIS MONEY THAT COMES FROM THE FANS POCKETS!!! AND THIS IS HOW HE REPAYS US BUY THESE COMMENTS AND CAUSING MORE UNREST IN THE DRESSING ROOM??????????
November 21, 2008 at 13:07
Good afternoon all, I have read all your comments and I will now tell you all what I think, there were some good points made today and arguments for both sides.
Here’s my take. Don’t blame Gallas, blame the manager, for the captain to say all that he said and have no reaction from Wenger is appalling, it’s the tail wagging the dog.
Gallas said that certain players were moaning about the inclusion of one, any bets they’re talking about Song?
Either way, if you have a problem, talking to Journo’s is not the way forward, it does what has happened, it makes us look like laughing stocks and it makes the manager look spineless.
We have way too many French players in the team, we should sign a few that break up the French mafia, there is an arrogance about the French that comes across as petulance, Vieira had it, Henry had it and now Gallas, and it shows in the way the team play.
This is Arsenal and no player or manager are bigger, Wenger should act now and say something, keep Gallas and tell him to act like a captain or get shot of him and make someone captain that will be respected by the team and fans alike.
Gilberto was that man and Wenger fucked up, don’t fuck up again boss, your are on borrowed time.
The one thing all of our past French captains moaned about is the lack of quality signings, listen to them Arsene, because those three plus 60,000+ gooners can’t all be wrong, all the time.
Maybe it’s you? Think about it.
November 21, 2008 at 13:07
I watched bob wilson meets sammy nelson last night. sammy talked about the togetherness of the team. I wonder how long ago they recorded that.
November 21, 2008 at 13:09
Paulinho i was refering back to what someone else said about not listening to gallas. i didnt say anything about what you had to do as a captain. I dont think you can i can actualy give a good account of what a captain’s role is because ive never been captain of a premiership football club. But neither could you for that matter
November 21, 2008 at 13:09
Geoff are you blogging internationally…?
November 21, 2008 at 13:09
Thanks Paulinho. Tottenham couldnt win in their opening 8 or 9 games no one blamed Ledley King or Jenas for their predicament. This just only proves one thing IMO and it is “THAT THE PRESS ARE POWERFUL”
November 21, 2008 at 13:10
If being captain is not important Gallas won’t mind when he loses the armband..
November 21, 2008 at 13:10
Kind of!
November 21, 2008 at 13:11
I left my phone at home this morning… I wasn’t sure if I was posting!
Did Gallas say that the players moaned about someone’s inclusion?
November 21, 2008 at 13:11
goeff good view on that. wenger has to act. im just annoyed about what gallas said but your right wenger needs to get shit sorted out!
November 21, 2008 at 13:12
What do you think of the new Yank we’re persuing?
November 21, 2008 at 13:12
That’s what started the row, not their inclusion, but that they were rubbish, I sent you a text this morning.
November 21, 2008 at 13:13
Who Pedro? Nice post by the way.
Kenny, I agree.
November 21, 2008 at 13:18
I’ll be back on in an hour!
November 21, 2008 at 13:19
Exactly Franchise. It’s all perception. Our doom is not written in stone if Gallas says a few things, but it will be if we percieve it to be.
The media are doing their usual herding of the sheep as usual.
November 21, 2008 at 13:23
im with captain willy G on this saga,if the manager wont kick ass then he must
November 21, 2008 at 13:24
The guy from LA. Ivan Gazza or whatever his name is!
November 21, 2008 at 13:24
MLS is shite…why are we getting somone from there? Is there noone else in the world?
November 21, 2008 at 13:25
bergkamp
well said…
fuk u Arsene.
November 21, 2008 at 13:26
lol Myles has this to say – haha the old beatnik knows when to get a ’scoop’ headline ^^
Arsenal newsflash : Gallas quits as captain
By Myles Palmer
The news at 12.45 : Players meeting to elect a new captain.
Democracy in action ! Who will get the armband now?
William Gallas caused huge controversy by claiming his young teammates are “not brave enough in battle.”
He revealed they had a row at half-time in the 4-4 Spurs game.
So what? I’m glad they argue at half-time. It shows they care.
But the club captain should not reveal such arguments.
Nov 21, 2008
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we’ll see…
November 21, 2008 at 13:28
so ol’ Myles Palmer reckons Gallas has quit as captain and the players are voting for a new one.
not sure its true but I hope he has quite. I doubt wenger would then go to a vote – he would decide surely? Midn you a vote would be a good idea. then the captain would know he had the backing of most of the squad.
November 21, 2008 at 13:28
Afternoon all,
Apperently Gallas has quit as Captain of Arsenal.
November 21, 2008 at 13:30
Its not like he came out slating any players performances he was simply just pointing out the Mutiny growing in the camp. 1 player was pissed off with another, that player then takes the matter to the captain who whilst attempting to solve (it in the middle of a game where we should have taken all 3 points against our rivals) gets insulted.
November 21, 2008 at 13:32
gazzap it wouldn’t be so good if it was a 11-10 split or something would it
November 21, 2008 at 13:32
where u get that story Wrighty…u mean he has officially or u sayin he’s bout to?
November 21, 2008 at 13:35
Why are the players meeting to elect a new Captain, is that not Wenger’s job??
November 21, 2008 at 13:35
Its on that ANR site David,
Have no idea if its true mate.
November 21, 2008 at 13:35
don’t worry David, if it’s true the official site will confirm it within the next month -.-
November 21, 2008 at 13:36
btw David I copy/pasted the ANR story at 1.26pm if you want to read it
November 21, 2008 at 13:36
It’s all symptomatic of our predicament at the moment. What ever way you look at the Gallas situation he is drawing all of the fire and deflecting away from the real issues that only Wenger can resolve.
So what to do with the current situation. Strip Gallas of the captaincy and then what? Give it to a 21 year old who is still prone to making silly mistakes himself and with no real experience benind him or mentor to support him.
If you’re gonna sack Gallas wait til Jan sell him and buy a captain instead of trying to force square pegs into round holes by appointing a captain from the current squad
November 21, 2008 at 13:36
http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=1127&cntnt01returnid=42
It is Blog talk David, but sometimes Myles does get some inside information.
I am sure it will be everywhere within an hour if true, I am sure at least one player will get in contact with a journo
November 21, 2008 at 13:37
the rench revolution is happening all over again!!! Merde!!!
November 21, 2008 at 13:37
My concern is that although I dont like Gallas, there is no one else in the club with any real leadership qualaties
November 21, 2008 at 13:39
you can’t buy an immediate captain imo… it is a slap in the face to the existing players. Like appointing Gallas was a slap in the face for Kolo and Gilberto.
November 21, 2008 at 13:39
Kolo Toure for captain.
He should have been made captain, when Henry left and Gilberto was overlooked.
November 21, 2008 at 13:40
OK, so lets say Miles has got it right.
Who do you think will be Captain?
Clichy?
Fabregas?
Ade?
RVP?
LJW?
November 21, 2008 at 13:41
Mark C…..shicking that you left out Toure, surely he is the natural choice, even before Gallas.
November 21, 2008 at 13:41
I think he will give it to Almunia, but Toure is the Vice (not Miami) Captain so it will be interesting..
November 21, 2008 at 13:41
Lets reverse the roles here
Say Cesc was Arsenal Captain and Kolo comes up to him at half time against Tottenham saying Gallas told him to ‘fuck off’ then Cesc approaches Gallas in an attempt to resolve the situation Gallas turns around and says you can both go fuck yourselves. Cesc reveals this to the media after being criticized from all circles that he is the cause of Arsenal’s demise. Forget the media reaction which would be anti-arsenal anyway. I bet all off you calling for Gallas’ head would do the same in that scenario. Think about it
November 21, 2008 at 13:41
sorry…FRENCH revolution…and SHOCKING
November 21, 2008 at 13:43
Personally I don’t see how Gallas can play again, if this is true, after such a resounding vote of no confidence from the manager and the players.
Which means Kolo back in the middle with Sylv or Johan, meaning he could be captain. I think he’d be a very popular choice as a senior player of great experience. It would be the right thing to do imo. He hasn’t moaned about losing his place, he is positive, he does a job wherever he has to, he is a good guy. The players would respect him I think, he is our last invincible as well.
November 21, 2008 at 13:43
Clichy? for captain?
Lets have a laugh and give it to Ade
November 21, 2008 at 13:43
You would still blame him I meant
November 21, 2008 at 13:44
And the other good thing JD moves up the pecking order.. Everyones a winner!!!
November 21, 2008 at 13:45
Franchise Cesc would take it to Wenger and no further. He is not a limelight seeker like Gallas, Cesc just desperately wants the team to succeed. He would not go to the press, he is intelligent enough to know the game they play.
November 21, 2008 at 13:45
W-hey, Im back, and Gallas is still a hot topic then,
i hope he has quit – save Arsene having to try and grow some
November 21, 2008 at 13:47
Franshise.. I don’t think Cesc would! He is very clever in front of the press.
November 21, 2008 at 13:48
Seb, fair call but in the face of things we don’t have a ready made replacment in the squad imo. It’s too young, too immature and inexperienced. The only one previously in the frame still around is Toure and he is not anywhere near captian material. You can’t appoint someone based on seniority. That’s insane. You need someone with the right qualities and no other single current player possesses them.
November 21, 2008 at 13:49
If Ade got the captains armband, he would want a red, green and yellow one..
November 21, 2008 at 13:51
Forget if he would or not. I was talking about your reactions guys
November 21, 2008 at 13:52
welcome back rico, yes the Willy G rumour mill is still in full effect!
now it’s a question of who will replace him if he goes
November 21, 2008 at 13:52
I bet Gallas’s mysterious groin strain comes on tonight and he fails a fitness test!!
November 21, 2008 at 13:52
DDM
100 men were surveyed on what they liked most about a blow job. 10 said the feeling, 15 said the excitement, and the other 75 said the fucking silence!
was it really as low as only 75 ??
November 21, 2008 at 13:52
Arsene is the fucking liar
There is no
BELIEF
TEAM SPIRIT
QUALITY
TIREDNESS
in this team
One less excuse to use
November 21, 2008 at 13:54
Cesc could be a good Captain, but not until he is playing alongside someone of his own skill. Until then he has enough on his plate trying to carry his partner
November 21, 2008 at 13:55
If that happened Franchise then Cesc would be out of order above anything else. You expect your captain to be the one above all others to not damage the club by making things public etc.
But it’s about as likely as Denilson getting a knife out of his sock and stabbing Eduardo in the eye for missing a chance. So i don’t think it’s a scenario we need to envisage
November 21, 2008 at 13:56
Its interesting how who the next captain would be seems to be more important than 3 points at city of Manchester. The power of the fucking press
November 21, 2008 at 13:56
Michael P. Toure cant be captain as he is not a starter.
November 21, 2008 at 13:57
i dont know why everyone in the football world is jumping on Gallas for his out burst
the same goes to some of the arsenal fans aswell.
his doing what he thinks is best to Kick the kids up the arse so they can put some Hard Graft into there game.
end of the day theres no Hiding from the Public eye.
Wenger is to blame for all this.
November 21, 2008 at 13:58
Franchise the 3 points are the immediate priority, the captaincy has longer term consequences
November 21, 2008 at 13:59
BELIEF
TEAM SPIRIT
QUALITY
we had all those things last year, until it all fell apart in February. I think we’ll start to see them again now.
TIREDNESS
Mentally more than anything, the atmosphere must have been really shit in the dressing room especially for the last month, that’s going to drag you down, you can’t escape that.
November 21, 2008 at 14:00
Seb – Kolo, Almunia or Cesc – And i truely believe our season will take a huge kick off for the good
November 21, 2008 at 14:01
Honestly, I just love Gallas. I’ve had enough of Wenger comin g out with the same old rubbish week after week about sharpness, spirit etc.
Gallas has come and dispensed with all the platitudes and told it how it is. We’ve got a bunch of overpaid nancy boys not doing their jobs.
If we had eleven Willy G’s we would be top of the league.
November 21, 2008 at 14:04
As for all those who criticise Gallas for being too self-obsessed and it being all ‘me, me, me’. Is that surprise when it’s always ‘him, him, him’?
If the press and fans are going to keep blaming him for everything, then of course he’s going to refer to himself throughout his interviews.
Can’t have it both ways.
November 21, 2008 at 14:05
Captaincy is just a privilege IMO. Overratedf. What we need a squad of ‘mature behaving’ individuals. Who the fuck is the player that thinks he has the right to insult his captain and fellow player in the first place. Those are the people we need to get rid off.
November 21, 2008 at 14:05
Paulinho – if he acted in a more mature way, he wouldnt have got all the him him him stuff….
November 21, 2008 at 14:07
Seb we had it last year and since then we have lost fighters in Gilberto, Flamini, Hleb (to an extent), Lehmann (to his bones)
November 21, 2008 at 14:08
Rico
It should be we we we
The press started making it personal.
November 21, 2008 at 14:10
It’s a good job that it was a 25 year old who disrespected Gallas. Imagine if it was one of the young players.
Gallas: “One of the young player, his balls haven’t dropped yet, it was him I say!”
We would have never have rounded it down
November 21, 2008 at 14:12
I remember when Keano went on The united channel and fucked all the shit players out of it. I was true tho, but its not really yhe same when Gallas does it. Fair enough, I hate Gallas, but he is a good defender when he is on his game.
But the difference between Willi saying bad things and Keano doing it was that Keane was their captain for years beforehand and he had grown fed up with the way things were going. His opinion mattered. But willi just came out and said that there were team problems and basically named players, or at least gave clues. IMO Gallas hasnt done enough good for this team to deserve to criticise others.
November 21, 2008 at 14:12
if terry did what gallas did no one would say anything. Its just that everyone wants to keep up with this Gallas smear campaign Bcos he speaks his mind all the time.
i remember Roy Keane having a dig at his players all the time at his days at Man Utd.
the thing is this proves Wenger is a liar. he would normally come out and say things like
“we are really ready for the fight and that we have a good unity and strong belief in the players
Gallas has just come out with the truth that theres in-house fighting and disrespect along with giving no fight. and so on. Wenger NEEDS to sort this out. other wise he will lose the team or the team will just see Wenger as a Soft touch
November 21, 2008 at 14:13
Paulinho, its was not the whole team who kicked the advertising boards, got caught smoking, slates team members in public??
Anyway, i am going to quit the gallas stuff, and keep my fingers crossed he quits
November 21, 2008 at 14:13
Gallas has been criticised for all the games we have lost and our draw to Tottenham. Which other captain has received so much criticism. When things didnt go well at Tottenham this season no one blamed the captain. When L’pool were shit last season in the league Gerrard wasnt held responsible. If I were Gallas I might have done the same with my outburst. How can sm1 keep getting accussed inaccurately? The guy had enough and said things he shouldnt have said. What else could he do deceive the world that all is well. Most of what he said was true We lack courage, we like sissies at times. Players are fighting at half time bla bla bla. Im happy to know part of the truth.
November 21, 2008 at 14:13
Paulinho noone blamed Gallas for the Villa game, if he hadn’t opened his gob none of this would have happened. That is the issue, not whether he or anyone else has played well. A captain has to be man enough to shrug off the accusations and criticisms, and keep the team believing in themselves. Gallas is a wallflower who every time there is some criticism for him, whether just or unjust, flips out and runs to the papers. He is precious.
November 21, 2008 at 14:15
Seb, I blamed Gallas for the second goal against Villa.
November 21, 2008 at 14:15
Gallas has been our worse defender in the last 3 years imo..
November 21, 2008 at 14:17
Stu
i see what ur saying and ur right in a way. but its not Bcos Kean was there captain for years,. Its Bcos Gallas is french and Kean would be seen as british to the Media. so naturally they would sing to his tune.
but since gallas has a histroy of opening his mouth and the french are generally moaners the media jumps on it and runs with it
its all History man.
November 21, 2008 at 14:17
One should never underate captaincy.
A good captain is a huge plus, to the team, the club and the fans. A good captain leads by example and sets the tone for the club and all its employees. Would Tony Adams, John Terry, Bryan Robson, or Bobby Moore carried on like Gallas has ? No, not in a million years.
A bad captain sets a bad tone and mood, that is hard to change. Gallas’s captaincy has played a big part I believe in both Gilberto and Flamini leaving
Knowing the temperment of the man, Gallas was a bizarre selection by Wenger, one I am sure he now regrets.
Silvestre and Cesc will be the front runners if Gallas gets the bullit, but Djourou is I feel a good outside bet – remember young Adams captaining the club and how it developed his game
November 21, 2008 at 14:17
I dont, nor have i heard of anyone blaming Gallas for the Villa or Spurs results. So far he has been at fault against Fulham, Hull…… and i know there is another 1 but i cant think of it.
November 21, 2008 at 14:18
that’s nice Mark
November 21, 2008 at 14:19
If he does go, at least we can give the number 10 shirt to Villa, Aguero or Huntelaar
November 21, 2008 at 14:20
Yeah, him getting criticised for the spurs game was the biggest joke in football and fully justifies his outburst. That just proves that there is no objectivety or fairness when it comes to his captaincy.
November 21, 2008 at 14:21
Agreed, JD should get the armband.
And in all seriousness; Bring back Senderos. Sure he made mistakes but after a run in the team can say they would rather fish or song, because i cant. Also would Senderos have made the costly mistakes that Gallas has made. I dont think he would. But we will never know.
November 21, 2008 at 14:22
Sorry – I thought he was at fault too, he was too slow, and never even attempted to stop Abby
pat – VILLA mmmeeeeeeeeee yes please, i can see him in a No10
November 21, 2008 at 14:22
Rico I would put him in RVP’s no11 shirt and Huntelaar in the 10 shirt
November 21, 2008 at 14:22
Pat, i’ld go for Huntelaar, he would be the cheapest by a good bit and Villa, aguero are basically the type of striker we always have, just better obviously.
November 21, 2008 at 14:24
Seb – my point is Gallas has been at fault for a number of goals this season.
Other defenders have made mistakes, and it seems Toure has been dropped for his mistakes.
I dont believe he is the best CB we have.
I think Silvevstre, or Djourou as the best at the moment.
November 21, 2008 at 14:24
Bren until Arsenal win sumtin tangible no future captain would be regarded as a great like bobby moore, vieira, adams etc I remember John Terry first season as Chelsea capn in 2004 he was shit. mourinho comes in stirs thing up they win two titles all of a sudden he is the best captain in the land. If Cesc becomes captain and we win f*ck all for another 2 or 3 years we would be back to this agenda again. If Arsene signed the players we needed in January 07 and we won the league u all wld have been here raving about how great Gallas is as a captain, so much better than henry etc
November 21, 2008 at 14:24
Sorry guys but Wenger will give the number 10 to a Goal Keeper trust me. so dont get ur hopes up
November 21, 2008 at 14:25
I blame Almunia more than Gallas for Gabbys goal. There was no way that a 31yo gallas would ever catch a speedy whore. Almunia got his angles wrong. Another thing to be fixed for next season.
November 21, 2008 at 14:25
Stu every time we drop points this season there have been dickheads on SSN and MOTD questioning Gallas’ leadership.
November 21, 2008 at 14:26
Same in the Sun, Mirro, Telegraph etc. Lazy journalism IMO
November 21, 2008 at 14:26
Stewart Robson, an ex-player on Arse Tv, who speaks alot of sense, says the captaincy is one of the most overrated things in football.
He says that a players shouting on the pitch, giving encouragement, meant absolutley nothing to him. He just motivated himself and got on with his own game.
Gallas was the best captain at Arsenal for the last five years at the start of the last season and up until the incident at Brum.
Scored versus Chelsea, Man United, Wigan. All vital goals. Defended very well. If only Gael Clichy wasn’t such a catasphrophe waiting to happen, and hadn’t of turned into Stevie Wonder at Brum.
November 21, 2008 at 14:28
Whats your point? MOTD are all twats anyway except the guy on MOTD2. adrian or something.
In all fairness, a football highlights show being done by a Spud and 2 scouse “legends” is totally biased anyway.
November 21, 2008 at 14:30
Some people seem to forget tho that Clichy was facing goal when who passes him the ball? Oh right it was Gallas. Not to mention that clichy actually won the ball when he made the tackle. More shit refereeing.
November 21, 2008 at 14:32
Franchise,
A good captain gives you a far better chance of being successful. I would not have had either Henry or Gallas as captain, I would however have them in my team.
Let us start at the begining, and pick a good captain. One who will be brave and encourage others and bring the right attitude to the field every week, and not every third week as we see presently.
November 21, 2008 at 14:32
Stewart Robson = West Ham wanker!
November 21, 2008 at 14:34
My point is the media have started this since Birmingham game. Since that game until now Gallas has received an unfair amount of criticism. We would have won the league last season if our players were motivated and experienced enough. It wasnt cos Gallas cried like a baby and kicked an advertising board that we lost the league.
November 21, 2008 at 14:35
Er no Stu, it was Flamini.
November 21, 2008 at 14:35
RAIF. <<<<<< INVISIBLE
November 21, 2008 at 14:36
Has happy hour just kicked off Paulinho ???
November 21, 2008 at 14:36
Crying like a baby and kcking the hording was just the bit we saw.. I bet a lot more went on behind the scenes that day and none of it helped our title challenge…
November 21, 2008 at 14:39
If its braveness Gallas’ is one of our bravest players Bren. Who cares who the captain is at Manchester. Their good players win them games, trophies. Ronaldo almost single handedly won the the title for Utd. Was he the captain? You wouldnt acheive anything if you have 10 no-hopers and John Terry being the captain. We have a very deficient squad in quality and experience. Until those things are addressed we would win f*ck all irrespective of who the captain is.
November 21, 2008 at 14:40
Prove it
November 21, 2008 at 14:41
Correct Avenell, and what was brought to the training grounds after
November 21, 2008 at 14:42
Cana in as captain, Huntelaar in as talismanic forward, and Chiellini as crazy defender who doesnt take no shit. And a new keeper to be safe.
November 21, 2008 at 14:42
Or alternatively you learn the facts before posting.
November 21, 2008 at 14:48
STU if we got them 3 we’d be sorted… sell bendtner and song to get a few quid back and get another winger and we’d be laughing next year
November 21, 2008 at 14:52
Grovers I got so worked up today with all the speculation I have already written tomorrows post today so make sure you tune in tomorrow for a bit of controversy!
November 21, 2008 at 14:52
Franchise,
My guess is you never played under a good captain and got the benefit of it. Real bravery is having the conviction to do the right thing – not necessarily sticking your head in where it hurts.
Anyone who has followed my comments over the last year and more would know that I have advocated at least three signings. I know our squad is not strong or mature enough.
However, lets start by putting in place a good captain. Gallas is not the answer.
A good captain unites / a bad captain divides
November 21, 2008 at 14:54
sky sport.com reckon newcastle are gonna try and get denilson in jan on loan then buy him at the end of the season
November 21, 2008 at 14:55
Geoff, what type of speculation? The captaincy, the fighting or the tranfer window. Be specific.
November 21, 2008 at 14:56
I’ve never known a player to be loaned out when he has played in almost every game!
November 21, 2008 at 14:57
Good players over good captain for me. Vieira wasn’t an angel himself. Getting stupid red cards here and there, flirting with other clubs etc. Captaincy is so fucking overrated
November 21, 2008 at 14:58
hi
Week from hell almost over, just Saturday to go… …fucking hell Gallas naming and shaming RVP for Arsenal and then Nasri for France what a TWUNT!
I said at the beginning of the season there was a rift between the Gallas, Adebayor, Eboue and the Cesc, Toure, Clichy
November 21, 2008 at 14:59
Did you always get overlooked for the captains armband Franchise ??
Good players can be good captains
November 21, 2008 at 15:01
Geoff, that post is formatted up and ready to post automatically at 0900 tomorrow.
If you want to change it let me know!
November 21, 2008 at 15:03
Stu specifically the Gallas thing, my opinion, my solution and then the game ahead with my team selection, all of which will raise eyebrows!
November 21, 2008 at 15:03
Im not saying that Gallas didnt so wrong Good luck to any one who succeeds him if he is removed. The persons success would be judged based on if we win trophies or not. We are rightly criticised anyway a team that spends £100 million on wages for overpaid pieces of crap cant compete for the league. We have been thrashed by two of the teams that have come from the championship. shocking. Vent your fury on the board and the manager. At the end of the day he appointed Gallas as captain. Im off now
November 21, 2008 at 15:03
Okay Pedro Mui bien.
November 21, 2008 at 15:04
Franchise, I already did that!
November 21, 2008 at 15:05
Vieira got most of his red cards because he never got any protection from the refrees or the FA.
Opposing teams used to kick fuck out of him and then Vieira done one thing and he was off..
November 21, 2008 at 15:07
Avenell, that is the most gooner tinted glasses comment I’ve ever read!
Paddy was a dirty bastard and hugely aggressive. That is why he picked up so many reds… and that is why we loved him!
I miss us topping the red card table.
November 21, 2008 at 15:07
alex song for captain,eboue vice captain
November 21, 2008 at 15:08
I say strip him of the caprtaincy, give it to………JD(?) and play Willi at RB or leave him on the bench. Thats what i’ld do. Actually no I’ld play JD and Willi together in the middle and Hoyte RB.
November 21, 2008 at 15:08
Geoff’s picked the ladies team i reckon
November 21, 2008 at 15:09
when you get 40 to 50k a week i don’t think you need a captain to tell you what you have to do in the first place!! you should give your 100 %.. I think gallas has always given a 100% most of the time!!! Its more of desire and i think gallas has that desire.. its just a shame that other players are not on the same wavelength!
November 21, 2008 at 15:09
the thing about patrick is when he got a red card he made sure his victim knew about it,so in effect he felt it was worth it, the bookings and stuff we get these days are petty, why commit a yellow card tackle knoingly when you could add a bit of malice in for the same punishment
November 21, 2008 at 15:09
clichy for captain
gallas to the stiffs
November 21, 2008 at 15:09
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7675710.stm
What a weird job to take on!
November 21, 2008 at 15:10
pedro.. we’re top of the fair play table… when we usually won anything we were at the bottom of it!! go figure!!
November 21, 2008 at 15:11
Thank you very much Pedro!!
But take the 2003 game against Man U for example, van horseface got him sent off and Keane done it a few times.
He was no angel but he did get victimised.
November 21, 2008 at 15:11
I saw Ruddock victimising him by forcing Paddy to gob at him!
November 21, 2008 at 15:12
the way arsenal are handling their politics is quite african,too much finger pointing and no discussions,it reminds me of my wife
November 21, 2008 at 15:12
I’ll drink to that Pedro – Paddy was a fab captain, lead by example – Naughty tackles, spat on Ruddock, arguements with the refs – I LOVED HIM
Thats what we miss, pure guts and aggression
November 21, 2008 at 15:13
i think they should do a series of tests,kind of like who will eat kangeroo dick,who will stay longest underwater without breathing,who will walk into a spurs pub an tell them all to fuck off,the player with the most heart will be crowned captain
November 21, 2008 at 15:13
we dont win cos we’re a bunch of pussies now… clichy and sometimes fab & gallas are the only people who ever clatter into someone
November 21, 2008 at 15:14
I thought Ruddock said something racist to him!
November 21, 2008 at 15:15
its not about how u can clatter people,its how u respond to being clattered thats our problem Tom
November 21, 2008 at 15:16
No need to gob over someone!
November 21, 2008 at 15:16
i said this before so i wont say it again. I few weeks ago i left a long comment on the team being too nice and it apperas I was right. We need mean players who dont care whos feeelings they hurt. Vieira, TA etc. Players who will give out if someone makes a mistake, not sit down 70yards away.
Gallas has the habit of giving out to others when he makes a mistake. EG when he played Miller onside for WBA and blames JD after he cleared off the line.
November 21, 2008 at 15:17
bergkamp… dont forget a last man standing royal rumble once a month at the training ground!!!
neither henry or gallas would have stood up to neville and keane like paddy did in the tunnel that time, he’s an absolute legend and i pray that as soon as he finishes playing he’s back with us as a coach
November 21, 2008 at 15:17
if your gonna gob on someone it might as well be ruddock,h always had it in for the french men like big V and monseur eric cantona
November 21, 2008 at 15:18
I was at a golf do once and Razor Ruddock was debating Arsenal with me and I told him he was a dirty bastard and got Vieira sent on for getting in the way of his gob.
He thought it was really funny until I told him I wasn’t joking, then I thought it was funny.
November 21, 2008 at 15:19
bergkamp i agree but being able to show that aggression is very important… getting your revenge in first sorta thing… that lets the bullies know that your not gonna let it happen
November 21, 2008 at 15:19
haha tom we dont really have a natural leader so the job must go to the man with the biggest heart,and these afc olympics shall be carried out in players free time so we can rule out 90% of the squad immediately
November 21, 2008 at 15:20
Agreed ATom. Even Bergkamp has a bit of a mean streak. The best players always do. Zidane got sent off loads of times. Henry trying to hit the ref, Cesc “tussling” with Lampard, Keowns flying crane impression (as seen on Wrighty7s homepage).
The current squad are afraid to get sent off for the right reasons incase they get grounded.
November 21, 2008 at 15:21
see but Tom we have a bunch or primadonnas who believe opponants shouldnt be allowed to tackle them,and the manager agrees with the players whenever they lose, so truthfully its not the players fault,i think the arsenal training ground is a non tackle zone ever since denilson clattered thierry a few years back,the same occasion that mr van reared his ugly head to foul mouth an arsenal captain
November 21, 2008 at 15:21
There are tickets in Le Exchange for tuesday. Half price!
November 21, 2008 at 15:22
kolo has/had a bit of it to… remember his elbow drop on shearer, and his grappling with obi mikel or whatever his name is, unfortunately he seems to have been sedated for the last 6 months
November 21, 2008 at 15:23
phil senderos used to get sent off for things that jt would complain about the ref givin a freekick for
November 21, 2008 at 15:23
Its that damn acon and that fucking malaria he had. Stupid fucking diseases, why does nothing like this happen to the Chelsea africans.
November 21, 2008 at 15:25
Good on you Geoff –
November 21, 2008 at 15:25
They taste like shit Stu.
November 21, 2008 at 15:26
Thanks Rico, I do my bit!
November 21, 2008 at 15:27
pahahahahaha,dont blame the malaria,kolo only needed a bit of quarantine for a day or two,everyone knows his ass has grown massive an he cant get his feet off the ground when the ball is in the air,kolo is a follower,if your a solid calming influence who tells him what to do he is the man,but without guidance he is a nervous wreck
November 21, 2008 at 15:28
Your up to fu-k all if you don’t have aggression. This team lacks it in spads.
They should be made watch the Leeds team of the 70’s over and over !!!!!
Sadly, the player either has it or does’nt have it – very hard to teach
November 21, 2008 at 15:29
gallas and kolo stand off the same kind of balls and attack the same balls,they are like 1 player,they dont compliment each other,we needed woodgate but arsene didnt want a defender who couldnt translate french to almunia,an he didnt want a defender who might hoof the ball under pressure incase we happed to score an ugly goal from it
November 21, 2008 at 15:29
Not necessarily true Bergkamp. Senderos is not really a calming influence. I mean imagine him shouting at in one of the 12languages he apparently speaks. And to make a bad situation worse just try read the game and try understand his lisp too. Now thats a tough job.
November 21, 2008 at 15:31
yeah but compared to gallas phil is a soft spoken calming influence,all kolo had to do was chase ballsover the top,phil had the aerial power, like sol,like martin keown,unlike gallas the wannabe centre back!
November 21, 2008 at 15:33
it like salt an pepper,gallas an kolo are the equivilent of pepper & pepper, kolo & sol = salt & pepper hahaha
November 21, 2008 at 15:33
apparently, we are going to make a move for Adrian in January…..hmmmmmmm.
he’s just come back from a loan at SaoPaolo, scoring 17 goals in 28 games…..
November 21, 2008 at 15:33
Adriano even
November 21, 2008 at 15:34
Ya i agree with you there. I have been calling for ohil to return and reunite his partnership with Kolo, but everyone calls me crazy. When he was good he was great but when he was bad he was getting pulled everywhich way by the oppo strikers.
November 21, 2008 at 15:35
bring back swiss tony!!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 15:36
Not just. He went back to milan in the summer and scored the winner in the CL against Famagusto. I wouldnt want him anyway. All he has is power.
November 21, 2008 at 15:36
the one thing for me in phils favour is that i think whenever he played the players he partnered where never at their best,he was never introduced to the team against the derby countys and the fulhams,it was always chelsea away or liverpool,wenger shot his confidence slightly especially by dropping him when he did play well!
November 21, 2008 at 15:37
Yeah, and we’re stacked with powerful players….
November 21, 2008 at 15:39
i think gallas and kolo are good defenders,but they are simular,they are not telepathic,they both let the same balls bounce an then look at each other like why didnt u go for it,we just need one of them to play with wheater from middlesborough or maybe djorou (id go for kolo coz im a kolo man more than a big willy G guy)
November 21, 2008 at 15:40
you see what i mean,arsene never built phil up for the big games,he was always just thrown in after someone failed a late fitness test an never selected on merit
November 21, 2008 at 15:43
bergakamp….good point.
Wasnt Phil part of the champions league defensive record we set not too long ago?
He is much better in the air than any CB we have at the moment, except, possibly JD.
To Arsene Wenger: Bring back Big Phil! Buy Van Buyten. Sell Silvestre.
Our CB’s should be: Gallas, Kolo, JD, Van Buyten and Swiss Tony.
November 21, 2008 at 15:43
Isn’t that how most players get into a team then take advantage of it?
He was first choice for two months while Toure was away..
Senderos’s confidence at Arsenal is shot after the CL game agaist Liverpool, he was alleaged to have been crying in the dressing room after the game. Not captain material..
November 21, 2008 at 15:44
We missed the Flamster from the minute he was injusred last season.
boo-hoo…..
November 21, 2008 at 15:44
yes avanell an he did take advantege keeping ten clean sheets on the way to the CL final then he was dropped last minute
November 21, 2008 at 15:45
Bring back Phil in January Arsene!!!
November 21, 2008 at 15:46
again he was thrown into the champions league game at anfield and wenger played him next to the erratic kolo,at least he cried,i bet the rest got their pay slips an rubbed their hands together
November 21, 2008 at 15:46
avenell
Is JT not a great captain – ever seen him cry???
November 21, 2008 at 15:47
the truth about phil is arsenal demoralised him,they said he was the new adams but never really showed faith in him,he only got a game because centre halfs aint cheap
November 21, 2008 at 15:49
dont bring phil back,set him free,dont bring him back an abuse his career no further, either bring him back and play him for 10 games with gallas djourou or kolo so they can get to know each other or dont bother
November 21, 2008 at 15:50
phil was quality next to gallas last year as well but got dropped for a wreck of kolo… he should have stayed in the team
November 21, 2008 at 15:51
I’ll add another element to the Gallas debate.
Arsene Wenger made him captain, if he strips Gallas of the armband wouldn’t it make him wrong to have placed his trust in Gallas in the first place?
We all know how stubborn Wenger is.
November 21, 2008 at 15:51
Bergkamp, that might be good for the player, but would that be good for the team/ club.
The team/ club should come b4 players.
November 21, 2008 at 15:52
agreed wrighty,but if gallas cant see that what he did is uncaptainly and if he cant see that certain players dont respect him then he should know that he isnt the man for the job
November 21, 2008 at 15:52
Wrighty…your comment makes complete sense, and worryingly, also makes worrying reading.
November 21, 2008 at 15:53
if they dont have faitth in phil then its not good for the player nor the team to have him at the club MARK
November 21, 2008 at 15:53
I like Senderos he’s a bit slow but i just think he loses confidence too easy and he’s too sensitive to be captain.
November 21, 2008 at 15:54
If Gallas is stripped of the captaincy, i cant see him sticking around. Too hot-headed for that. If he’s dropped as captain, he will be gone in Jan.
So…..why not just go with Kolo and Djourou tomorrow?
Start fresh…..???
November 21, 2008 at 15:55
we keep hearing about these supperb youngsters but not many are breaking into the team lately,cesc and clichey,thats it,theo was bought for a price,denilson was playin first team football in brazil,the mighty vela ,wenger showed a lot of faith in him against villa…NOT,or he respected villa too much,thats for us to decide
November 21, 2008 at 15:57
Michael P … Kolo is injured.
November 21, 2008 at 15:57
Gallas will leave if stripped of the armband. The only way he would remain at the club and not be captain is by himself giving up the job.
Even then he still wouldn’t be around for long……..
November 21, 2008 at 15:58
I think Phil’s a great bloke but he suffers a bit from Ade syndrome – give him too much time to think and he bottles it. Phil was always at his best when he just got stuck in. It was those worrying mis controls and sloppy passes into midfield that tended to give me the jitters watching him play. But then again maybe that was down to lack of game time…
November 21, 2008 at 15:58
this season now for me is all about deciding whose good enough and who isnt good enough already,not to mention who is also willing to fight for the team and who isnt,so we might as well start playing djourou song diaby vela,ramsey,afterall those players will be the ones making a difference if we get injuries in a season when we are really tryin to challenge,lets try them now instead of throwin them in untried at the deepend,in the league especially if we drop another 3 points were practically playin for nothing
November 21, 2008 at 15:59
Senderos should stay in Italy. The pace out there suits his style, the Premiership is too quick for him.
It benefits both Arsenal and Senderos for him to stay in Italy. Good luck to him I say.
November 21, 2008 at 15:59
wrighty the only cure is to get william a top defensive partner and a serious ball retrieving midfielder,im down with gallas but thats ransom he is holding us to,an he aint makin our decisions easy
November 21, 2008 at 16:00
Geoff, with your above comment ala verdict, you are not only the chief moderator of the best arsneal blog in the whole world, you are my captain fantastic! keep it up, but please have mercy on Song!
November 21, 2008 at 16:02
Avenell….cheers for tha update!
Silvestre and Djourou for tomorrow then!
November 21, 2008 at 16:02
innit have mercy on song,afterall he is a future galactico of madrid
November 21, 2008 at 16:03
Bergkamp,
Play Djourou alongside Gallas and there is the top defensive partner. Sign a midfielder capable of protecting the back four and watch the difference.
November 21, 2008 at 16:03
iv got a feeling willy G is tryin to push through a move he thought over an decided against in the summer,he has decided to go back to the french league or maybe to spain for the twilight years
November 21, 2008 at 16:04
Geoff, with that your last comment ala verdict on Gallas issue, you are not only the Moderator in chief of the best arsenal or any other club blog in whole world, you are my captain fantastic. But please, have mercy on Song
November 21, 2008 at 16:04
I reckon he will play Djourou at RB I would prefer Hoyte there though..
November 21, 2008 at 16:05
well, tha latest stroy on SS is about Willy G wanting to end his career in france….and in his words, not just any club, oh no, but a BIG club!
Strange timing, that?
November 21, 2008 at 16:06
G.Hoyte has put in some strong performances – enough to warrant a start tomorrow.
G.Hoyte —Silvestre—-JD—-Clichy
My back four for tomorrow….
November 21, 2008 at 16:06
Wenger should go, he is making more mistakes than positives and I have said for 3 years now… …If his 5 year plan hasn’t worked after 5 years then he has to step down he took a big risk with his strategy and look at us now!
5 years ago ARSENAL was the most feared name on anyones calender even United’s and now people think it’s an easy 3 points!!
That is all down to Wenger and his descisions, selling Paddy was one thing but what about Bobby, Edu, Campbell, Gilbeto?
The blame should rest fully on the manager, it starded pre-invincibles selling Upson cost us the league in 02-03, (The wonderful Steppanovs anyone) and now Flamini!
Coupled with his famous never briniging on a sub until it was too late or while being a goal ahead pulling off the creative players for a Cygan, Senderos and now the Song Billong!
I am starting to develop a real sour taste in my mouth, we should have offered flimflam 100k a week to keep himFFS as you could see what he meant to the dynamics!
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November 21, 2008 at 16:06
wrighty i think playing djourou with either william or kolo would benefit both,it might take 4 or 5 games to progress into a partnership but if thats what it takes then thats what it needs,i believe in the whole little an large partnerships,gallas sweeping the floor,djourou the anti air raid device,its the same way i believe in the ade ed/vela partnership ,keown mopped the floor for cambell for years but he had the heart to get up in the air when needed
November 21, 2008 at 16:08
ian wright an alan smith ,john terry an carvalho, carragher an hypia , big bould an the positionally correct adams cutting out danger on the floor
November 21, 2008 at 16:09
what will it take for wenger to realise that he has a MONSTER CB at Arsenal already…JD!JD!DJ!JD!JD!!!!!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 16:11
i dont blame gallas because his only crime if it is to be considered by some as a crime is a crime of passion,he is hurt and others are simply not reacting,wenger has taken the stick for this team many times and now the stick is being aimed at wenger the players arent puttin themself on the line for him,too much comfort at arsenal
November 21, 2008 at 16:11
Even JT and Gallas.
November 21, 2008 at 16:11
Upson was first choice centre back for Arsenal until he broke his leg, In the meantime Kolo stepped in and he couldn’t get his place back.
November 21, 2008 at 16:11
gallas will have to play 2mo, we have no options… kolo, eboue and bac all out means JD to RB with gallas and silvestre at CB
after that id take the armband and his shirt number and just let him rot… if wengers cares about arsenal like we think and hope he does he wouldnt want our club associated with someone like him
November 21, 2008 at 16:14
JD at RB?? Whats wrong with you? Put JD and Gallas in the middle and Hoyte at RB. Thats better than playing fish. Clean sheets are what counts and for the life of me I cant think of a clean sheet that Fish has contributed to.
November 21, 2008 at 16:15
being a part of a football team is like being in the army,when you are told by your captain to move your ass you should move,now wenger should back gallas seen as he is the general who made gallas captain, if rvp is causing problems in the team wenger should back his captain an put a stop to this,if rvp cant fix his big ego then wenger should fuck him off
November 21, 2008 at 16:17
i just feel arsenal leaders in midfield,becuase wenger has gone for youth and experiened players therefore are not realy any leaders there,gallas is not a great captain but it does take the armband to be leader and to be honest he is wright the do lack fighters in the team.but if this story is true gallas must go.
November 21, 2008 at 16:17
jt and gallas stu,one compliments the other,if you had two jt’s it wouldnt work,he would be beaten for pace regular,we dont often get beaten for pace but the aerial game kills us
November 21, 2008 at 16:17
carvalho isnt quick but he reads the game amazingly well so he compliments terry,we dont have a player with so much brain in our defence,we have speed only
November 21, 2008 at 16:19
What? Why are you telling me this?
November 21, 2008 at 16:19
the thing is they say we lack experience but cesc has achieved more than barry, more than veloso,more than yaya,its not just about age or experience,its about being very good at what were good at and really shyt to the lowest form at what were shyt at,arsenal have no inbetween on good an bad,its one or the absolute other!
November 21, 2008 at 16:21
stu just sayin about your choice of a pair,gallas was great with terry,probably kolo would be great with terry too
November 21, 2008 at 16:23
stu… think what u want mate but we both know he’ll stick JD at RB rather than hoyte, especially against robinho!
November 21, 2008 at 16:24
he will play song at right back,like he did against everton
November 21, 2008 at 16:24
avenell – Upson first choice at Arsenal.
What have you been smoking.
How many games did Upson play for Arsenal – must have been 100 if he was first choice?
I doubt if he played more than 40 games.
Dont forget we had Cygan, Keown, and Campbell all ahead of Upson.
November 21, 2008 at 16:25
vela on the left wing,nasri on the right,denilson an diaby in the middle,ade an van up front , clich galls sylvesre and song in defence
November 21, 2008 at 16:25
song vs robinho… its gonna be a massacre
November 21, 2008 at 16:25
We will beat City 3-1 tomorrow.
November 21, 2008 at 16:26
We have 3 CB’s at the moment.
Silvestre
Gallas
Djourou
One of the 3 will play RB.
November 21, 2008 at 16:26
not with song at RB we wont!
November 21, 2008 at 16:27
vela only came back from the other side of the world today i think… no chance of him playing….
nasri, denilson, diaby, ramsey
that should be our midfield
November 21, 2008 at 16:28
he dont have faith in djouro,same way he rather start with song at centre back is the same way he will play him at RB
November 21, 2008 at 16:29
Tom your probably right i didnt think about that,maybe we might get a glimpse of wilshere if were losing with 1 minute left
November 21, 2008 at 16:30
wenger loves throwin on young players when were losing an there is 5 minutes left but when we are winning 3-0 he brings on defenders instead of sending them out to make a few nice touches an get to know what winning is like…why?
November 21, 2008 at 16:38
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/sports/redknapp+button+it+gallas/2836657
look who is getting involved now…..
November 21, 2008 at 16:43
Mark …Upson just started to get a run in the first team and he broke his leg look!
I know it’s from wiki but I remember him given the chance and he was unlucky..
In 2001–02, his final full season at Arsenal however, Upson did make 22 appearances; these included 14 in the league, earning him a Premier League winners’ medal, but a broken leg in February 2002.
November 21, 2008 at 16:45
people, im out, it been emotional…..
let’s hope we bag a convincing win tomorrow….
November 21, 2008 at 16:48
Hey kunle4fabregas, I think that was a complement thanks! read tomorrows post, if you don’t find it interesting you’ll find it funny!
November 21, 2008 at 16:49
And I have never touched drugs in my life!!!
November 21, 2008 at 16:50
Gallas stripped of captaincy according to Talksport
November 21, 2008 at 16:56
Phillippe Auclair says he wasn’t on the bus travelling to Manchester aaaaand Almunia or Ckichy will be skipper
November 21, 2008 at 16:58
Just heard on Talksport that Gallas has been stripped of the Captaincy…
November 21, 2008 at 17:00
This course of action will get us nowhere. gallas is our best defender.
November 21, 2008 at 17:11
Arseblog and other sites are saying Gallas HAS been stripped of the armband.
Bye bye Gallas……………
November 21, 2008 at 17:13
It’s not on SSN or setanta yet!
Gallas has made a laughing stock of Arsenal we are all over them, everyones having a stab at us.
November 21, 2008 at 17:15
All I can say is (if its true) Bye Bye Gallas………………………….
November 21, 2008 at 17:15
Oh that’s a smart move – we have a team chock full of experienced proven winners haven’t we ?
Typical of Wenger he only grows a pair in order to deplete our squad further.
Too bad he couldn’t grow a pair when Flamini, Dolphin head or Hleb wanted to leave.; or when he was after Alonso, Barry, Veloso or whoever it was we were after.
Oh happy days.
November 21, 2008 at 17:18
I bet Chelsea are pissing themselves… They got Englands best left back and got rid of that tosser and it only cost them £5 mill..
November 21, 2008 at 17:19
I fully expect a reaction along the same lines as last season, when Thierry left and everyone expected the worst, but instead the team played with a newfound freedom and we went top for a while. Until someone lost the plot…
This will be the start of our resurgence – the CC kids showed that with belief and confidence you can beat anyone if you’re good enough.
November 21, 2008 at 17:21
Cheerio Gallas… Step up JD!
Could this be the kick start our season needs?
The kids will want to prove their captain wrong!
November 21, 2008 at 17:30
this whole problem stems from wenger he seams to on a mission to prove that he can win the title with kids. althought the players are hugely talented they are missing flamani, gallas has not lied there are lacking a fighter however he is far from blameless his own form is quite poore,but lately gallas and sylvestor has been solid,its not all doom and gloom all round the team is good just needs a bit tinkering.the way i would that i would give fab a month off starters,i would play song and ramsey,but iwould keep the partnership between gallas sylvestor the same,diaby can play any midfield. i would change things up upfront play vela and ade. thas what i think but i so sick of hearing about gallas,i am mixed minds gallas is a good defender but an average captain at best, so i dont know if i sell defender that good but seams causing alot unrest within the team, ithink wenger can find good solid defender that is experiened he should sell him.
November 21, 2008 at 17:31
What annoys me is that the 1st place that you should read that news in on Arsenal.com yet it will be days behind as usual
and rumour is Almunia has got it. If so that is bollocks, he is lucky to retain his place at the moment, let alone be captain. this club is going down the tubes, needs fucking sorting out and fast.
November 21, 2008 at 17:31
Late post today as Ive just arrived just outside Mancsville,
Geoff:
I posted that LC canteen story about our ex captain earlier this week, that was before yesterday’s story.
I also posted last week that IMO we should strip gallas of the captaincy & sell him in Jan.
My crystal ball is crystal !
Maybe as others have just stated, could be the time when Wenger re-asserts his proper authority over the whole squad & realises its time to add experience to the ‘Project sign under 11’s’
November 21, 2008 at 17:37
BTW, I have been told RVP is not the nicest piece of work behind the scenes.
Non playing Colney staff will tell that the atmosphere is nothing like it used to be. Players not interested in signing shirts for anyone.
Certain players think they are big time above the ordinary people that work there just because they command massive wages, yet young, ignorant, uncooth & fucking disrespectful.
Strangely enough one player that does seems to have a smile & say hi is Eboue ( not sure if he then suddenly falls down holding his leg after ).
November 21, 2008 at 17:37
talkshite are saying they have inside info that gallas has been stripped of the captaincy…. thank fuck,,,,, i bet JD is rubbin his fingers now he might get a game!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 17:40
Did not like Roy Keane in his playing days (Probably as he turned us down for Man Ure)
But I actually have a lot of time for him now
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4531410,00.html
November 21, 2008 at 17:40
doublegooner i think eboue is the only one that is any good for the dressing room. i think he just makes an arse of himself and everyone laughs…. thats probably why wenger sticks with him.. he is good for morale
November 21, 2008 at 17:41
anyone else really worried about the captain situation?! I was completely wrong about the press creating the situation, the players were obviously pretty pissed off! Whether or not Gallas was a good captain is debatable, but he was far better than anyone else! Who could it be?! Almunia and Kolo could be ok but neither are guaranteed first team now, though I’d imagine Almunia will take it tomorrow. Silvestre experienced but not guaranteed first team, Clichy or Sagna not realy contenders, Theo and Nasri not contenders. If Adebayor was appointed then I don’t think I’d ever return to the Emirates. Van Persie wouldn’t really be a contender. Denilson I think could in the future be good, he’s a very intelligent lad and has captained all the Brazilian youth teams, but is way too inexperienced now. Everything points to Cesc, which means we return to the Henry years with a team completely and utterly lacking fight, where players are never going to get motivated nor told off if they do anything wrong! Dear oh dear
November 21, 2008 at 17:43
I have never been a fan of RVP,
He seems to think that he duly got Henry like status because Henry left, yet what has he actually done for the club…..Fuck all.
If this is all true, Gallas will be gone in Jan and I hope RVP goes to. I think we should have World Class Players in the club instead of players who Egos make them think they are World Class Players.
Arsenal is in a mess
November 21, 2008 at 17:46
My money is on Almunia.
I defended Gallas earlier today… but after reading his comments about wishing to head back to France… he can fuck off.
It will be a huge loss defensively and once again lower the average age of our squad.
November 21, 2008 at 17:47
I dunno pat, at the moment we need RVP, however arrogant he is he’s comfortably our most talented forward at the moment. When Eduardo is back, Bendtner comes good, and Vela is ready maybe we could cash in on him, but at the moment we desperately need him for games like the villa match where we need a moment of magic to create a goal
November 21, 2008 at 17:48
I hope we get decent money for RVP when we sell him perhaps that’s why we let him sign a new deal, so we can ask top dollar in the summer..
November 21, 2008 at 17:49
PAT:
You’re right. RVP is a bigtime charlie with a nasty streak.
I imagine he won’t be going anywhere but he really needs to start building his Arsenal credit rating. He owes this club starting tomorrow.
November 21, 2008 at 17:49
I agree on all of that pedro, though the fact that Fabianski is very close to becoming number 1 may make it more complicated
November 21, 2008 at 17:49
A, try looking on the bright side, Cesc as captain could be exactly what the doctor ordered. Let’s give it a try before we slip into doom and gloom.
November 21, 2008 at 17:50
It think that a Defensive signing in Jan is now a must
The problem is that Gallas will probably be allowed to leave on a free like Gilberto and Campbell, so I just hope that we can still afford the CM player after buying another CB.
As for choices, mine is Stephen Taylor from Newcastle. Great player, Great Potential and Possible Arsenal Captain in the future.
November 21, 2008 at 17:50
gallas has been stripped of captain breaking news
November 21, 2008 at 17:51
A …. and where was RVP when we needed him in the Villa game?
November 21, 2008 at 17:51
djourou and silvest partner ship gallas has not travelled
November 21, 2008 at 17:51
No Boy Better K. It’s not. I knew it would happen. Thank god,
November 21, 2008 at 17:51
id give it to clichy heres why…
he’s probably our most consistant player
conducts himself well in the media
gives his all for the club… runs up to the 90th min
he’s gonna be with us for a while
if we give it to cesc and it flops how can we take it back off him?
almunia isnt guaranteed a starting place at the mo so he’s another we cant really give it to
November 21, 2008 at 17:52
I think it has to go to Cesc, and if we follow it up with the 3 rumoured signings in Jan, who know he may stay.
November 21, 2008 at 17:52
I disagree London, I think Cesc as captain will be an absolute disaster! He’s too immature, still petulant, and needs to be told off from time to time. He’d be the worst aspects of Henry as captain, without having done what Thierry did for the club! We’re already supposedly lacking any fight, and the only fight we have had was instilled by Gallas! We’ll have absolutely nothing.
Gallas out of the squad too, who on earth is going to be in the team?!
November 21, 2008 at 17:52
Now we can at least hope that Wenger will replace that clown with some monstrous no-nonsense defender.
November 21, 2008 at 17:53
Clichy is not a natural leader though, he is consitent but he is a quiet mouse and we need a lion
November 21, 2008 at 17:54
Kenny Sansom said Clichy is ideal for captaincy. So I agree with you Arsenal Tom and Kenny Cliche is THe MAN
November 21, 2008 at 17:55
Toure is Vice Captain, does he not get it by default
Maybe that is the option and he builds a partnership with Djourou
November 21, 2008 at 17:55
How reliable is the scource that Gallas has been stripped of the captaincy? Can we believe this yet?
November 21, 2008 at 17:55
Yeah i know avenell, RVP fucked us massively in the Villa game, but if we sell him he’ll never be available for those games, so we’d have to buy someone who could do that, and we never will because that would cost well over 20 mil. The fact he’s a dick doesn’t take away from the fact that we need him desperately on the pitch.
I agree to an extent arsenaltom about Clichy, but my only worry is the fact that he seems to have alot of lapses of concentration recently, and needs to concentrate on him game.
November 21, 2008 at 17:57
Given the speculation this afternoon, you would have thought that the Arsenal PR machine would have made a statement…
Oh yeah I forgot they are fucking shit
November 21, 2008 at 17:57
yeah london its now official on sky sports now
November 21, 2008 at 17:59
well it’s official he’s not captain anymore, whether wenger stripped him, the players stripped him, or he quit is all just speculation, though obviously the media are claiming it to be wenger stripping him as that would illustrate the biggest disaster most dramatic etc
November 21, 2008 at 17:59
clichy can lead by example… im glad this has happened, we’ve needed a shake up for a while.
hopefully now gallas will be fucked off we can try and get the spirit back… everyone should sit down and air everything out… even if they call each other cunts… get it all out and start a fresh.
i dont believe the people fighting at half time during spurs were theo and RVP either tho… i heard they got pretty pally in pre-season cos they both went back early as they were injured
November 21, 2008 at 18:00
How many games in ten does RVP actually deliver in though?
Lets get rid and buy a decent striker, and I could not give a fuck how much they cost. we have been in profit transfer wise for ten years, Its time for speculate to acumulate. I dont care if RVP can score something out of nothing, he rarely does it and I am more concerned by his cuntish attitude and personality and how it is affecting club morale.
November 21, 2008 at 18:00
Yeah but has Wenger or the club anounced it? Arsenal.com might be aweful but this is too big for there not to be a root back to the club.
November 21, 2008 at 18:01
All this has stemmed from the leaking that there was a 1245 meeting today between the players so I’d imagine that’s happened Tom
November 21, 2008 at 18:01
So its official and what is on Arsenal.com
Download the arsenal podcast. what a fucking joke.
November 21, 2008 at 18:02
Noone’s announced it yet officially London. ANR and few other places claimed they had been informed about this 1245 meeting, and Gallas was stripped/quit as captain, and the club would make an official statement this evening when they knew exactly what they’re gonna do about it all.
November 21, 2008 at 18:02
Tom,
I agree that a team meeting is needed.
I’m shocked at the Gallas news to be honest.
November 21, 2008 at 18:02
Whats this about Gallas being stripped?? Any links?
November 21, 2008 at 18:03
As I said yeterday Wenger tried to tame RVP, Ade and Gallas. all had history we should never have bought them.
I hope Wenger has learned a lesson!
November 21, 2008 at 18:03
A… i think he’s been very unlucky.. he doesnt make many mistakes but when he does he really gets punished for them… brum & man city last year and spurs to name 3 obvious ones.
he’s got the will to come back from those tho and we see that every week… he never gives up
November 21, 2008 at 18:03
It won’t be on Arsenal.com until Monday. They finish at 4-00pm sharp.
November 21, 2008 at 18:04
wrighty… its the easiest way to start again… whatever happens at man city happens now… this might actually help us… backs to the wall situation where wenger can say ‘everyone says we’re over, the clubs falling apart… go out there and prove them wrong’
i think most of them will feel like a weight has been lifted
November 21, 2008 at 18:05
PAT:
Can’t ague with what you say re: RVP.
Ideally we need real men at the club. At the moment we could all name 3 or 4 players we would like out the club, but that is a bit unrealsitic as that would mean we’d need about 5 or 7 new players.
November 21, 2008 at 18:06
maybe this will help RVP then, he was awesome at the start of last year… if he and ade can find that form again we’ll soon forget all about this
November 21, 2008 at 18:07
he does that sort of thing every other game tom, he’s just so good he gets back most of the time. Dallying on the ball or trying to skin someone etc. I think he needs to iron out those things and captaincy would distract him. If gallas is pretty much gone in terms of team selection, then Kolo will be a regular and he should be captain, surely
November 21, 2008 at 18:07
Gallas gets the captaincy taken away and gets stripped as well. He’s probably bollock naked freezing his ass around Colney
November 21, 2008 at 18:08
Those of us at the game tomorrow MUST sing our hearts out & show the players we back them.
Those players that fail to show their colours can FUCK OFF.
November 21, 2008 at 18:08
So be it Doublegooner
I just think we should treat this as the bottom of a pit and move up and rebuild now. get rid of the tossers and troublemakers and make this club great again. He hardly ever plays anyway, he is either injured or suspended.
even after what ade did in the Summer, I would rather him at the club than RVP
November 21, 2008 at 18:09
Gallas dropped for tomorrows game – SSN;s
November 21, 2008 at 18:09
It has to be Fabregas. We’ve had Toure. Boring. We’ve had Almunia.ZZzzzzzz. Gael Clichy is a bit of a bottler and would most likely crack under more pressure.
Just give it to Cesc and be done with it. What have we got to lose?
November 21, 2008 at 18:09
And well said at 6:08 DG
November 21, 2008 at 18:09
im off out people… have a good weekend!!!
November 21, 2008 at 18:10
Also stripped of Captains arm band – hoooooooooorah
November 21, 2008 at 18:10
not in squad rico, not necessarily dropped! don’t let them brainwash everyone into thinking what they want
November 21, 2008 at 18:11
RVP is twice the player that Ade is. RVP would never gon ten games goalless if fully fit. RVP is worth indulging. That’s what separates him and players like Ade.
November 21, 2008 at 18:11
oops – sorry guys, telling you something you all know
November 21, 2008 at 18:12
I think he has been a “Dead man walking” since the Birmingham incident.
He has never been forgiven for it and every mistake that he has made has been scrutinised ten fold.
I know he hasn’t helped himself at times but I really feel he has been made a scapegoat at Arsenal.
I’m gutted because not only have we lost our captain (and no-one is adequate enough to replace him, yet) but we will lose a world-class defender.
November 21, 2008 at 18:12
Apparently Gavin Hoyte is making his debut tomorrow.
November 21, 2008 at 18:13
Well well, Arsene did grow some, this is where our season starts imho – i think he will now go in january, PSG with his mate Claude
November 21, 2008 at 18:14
I bet he was stripped out of captaincy after the last game itself, maybe that pissed him off, the cunt
November 21, 2008 at 18:14
well said paulinho. rvp is one of our best players, one of the best in europe, and incredibly important. had he been fit last season i’m certain we would have won the league
November 21, 2008 at 18:14
Why is Clichy a bottler?
November 21, 2008 at 18:14
PAT:
I’m just trying to be positive
I’ve been bloody pessimistic since mid may.
I blame Wenger for all the problems. He should have outed Gallas in the summer & caved in to Ade.
Now he MUST reassert & as you saay rebuild players & morale.
Bring in Keown for sure, even get Vieira home to play with Ramsey & Cesc for next 18 months. Then new keeper, defender & a Santa Cruz or David Villa. bought
Fuck, when you think we may have been able to have bought Torres 2 years ago, it was a shame AM wanted a transfer fee for him !
November 21, 2008 at 18:16
Paulinho – thats good news, i had in my suggested team earlier, he is quick and did well against Wigan
You know – I am actually excited in a way, i know i will get a lot of slating for that comment, but i truely believe Gallas has been the divide in our camp, the bad apple.
Now we will see JD at last, and Kolo’s game will suddenly improve, and just maybe Cesc will get back to his old self too –
Tomorrow we win, and i cant wait
November 21, 2008 at 18:16
A, people seem to have not noticed how RVP has grown as a player over the past few years. He can do everything. He can head(west ham, holland the other day), he can link play by playing deep, he can make runs in behind, he can move to the right and cut in. He’s our best player IMO.
He’s only shit when he plays far left.
November 21, 2008 at 18:18
WRIGHTY:
When things happen on & off the pitch with Gallas that make the other players lose all respect for him then he a dead man walking.
Now he’s Dead.
November 21, 2008 at 18:18
A – my friend, i like to think he has been dropped
I dont think he will play for us again either
November 21, 2008 at 18:19
Rico, if Fabregas gets the captaincy I will be excited to. But if it’s Almunia or Toure it will be just an anti-climax.
After all, our midfield is the problem, not the defence. Fab getting the armband could spark that area.
Clichy cannot be trusted Avenell. He fucks up in nearly every game and at important moments.
November 21, 2008 at 18:20
RICO:
Spot on bring it on !
You going ?
November 21, 2008 at 18:22
I agree Paulinho, I’d consider him our best player too, if he stays fit and sharp he could be absolutely incredible. You can see how highly rated he is by the fact Van Basten took him to the Euros in the summer despite the fact he was far from fit and he had a policy of not selecting anyone not 100% fit and match fit. The dutch have incredibly talented players to pick from too. Regardless of his attitude, we’d have to spend 30 million to sign someone as good, and we can’t afford to lose any more quality at the moment. Vela, Bendtner, Eduardo, Theo (as a forward) could become that good, but at the moment RVPis the only player of that quality we have up top
Gallas will be a huge loss for us. The only truly experienced and world class defender we have, we must sign someone fantastic in january now to replace him if he leaves and isn’t going to play any more.
November 21, 2008 at 18:23
The problem is the culture AW has instilled in this team. AW is not a fighter, so it is difficult to get this team up on a consistent basis. The argument about a young side is flawed. Villa were also young. Most of their players were Arsenal rejects. Agbonlahor is young, so is Young, and Sidwell. Youth cannot be our excuse. The proper excuse is we lack presence and desire. Presence comes with the type of personnel and their drive for silverware is what they have and the coach can lead them on.
The only thing I see is a failure of the coaching staff and Gallas because of his loudmouth is now the scape goat. The guy needed to make news for the launch of his book, and he unwittingly led us to a better understanding of the instability in the dressing room which we now know is behind the inconsistent performance.
Yes, he would piss off a lying coaching staff, but we the interested bystanders should know that Aw has only drawn the first blood. Perhaps his own should now follow?
November 21, 2008 at 18:25
When RVP puts in a 20 goal PL Season, I may agree with you that he is amongst the best in Europe, but he hasnt
His best tally is 13
I dont even think he is even getting any better. He showed glimpses until he got injured (Again) last year, but that is all it has ever been Glimpses.
We dont need Robin Van Persies especially if you class him as our top striker, We need the Torres’s, Etoo’s, Villa’s, Henry’s, Huntelaar’s.
November 21, 2008 at 18:26
DG – I wish, I dont get to many games sadly
You know Paulinho – I would love Cesc to get the armband, but if Almunia (capt tomorrow) Kolo. Bac or even Clichy get it, i wont be sad. Gallas has never been my favourite captain.
Thats harsh on Clichy – he has been pretty solid, one slip, a couple of bad ref decisions… I think he is having a good season for me
November 21, 2008 at 18:26
Hope we play Wilshere and Ramsey tomorrow too .. iiiәәd!ʎ (:
November 21, 2008 at 18:27
If this gives the players the kind of lift it has given me, then RvP and Ade will bag a couple of goals each tomorrow
November 21, 2008 at 18:28
i agree rico, i reckon that’s most likely, but I want to hope for the best!
Just shown the arsenal squad getting off the team bus. Almunia, Ramsey, Wilshere, Lansbury, Gibbs, bendtner, song, hoyte, simpson the players they showed. Lansbury and simpson first times selected is it??
November 21, 2008 at 18:28
It’s funny how Gallas is seen as the problem. However, ironically, it is the real problem which has caused Gallas to act in such a manner.
With Gallas gone, that problem is still there. Our potential antidote to it is now GONE. Disaster IMO. These dopey young players need a kick up the arse and a few home truths. Now, they’re allowed to carry on their lazy ways. Wonderful.
November 21, 2008 at 18:29
Confident – the last 2/3 seasons maybe, prior to that we were always ‘up for it’
November 21, 2008 at 18:29
well i for one hope it is not given to almunia. the guy cant even hold down a first team place.
if clichy gets it, fabregas will throw a fit but not vice versa. but not sure if cesc can get vocal and galvanize players, stand up for them and lead them on and off the pitch. does seem a bi muted. ofcourse this will go a long way in securing cesc’s future with us what with all the speculations linking him with a move to spain
denilson is ideal but too young and inexperienced and doesnt command the respect of players.
i would have chosen eduardo – but with his injury return it wouldnt work.
Jd would be a good choice. reminiscent of TA. if he could become even half the captain he was it would be worth it.
November 21, 2008 at 18:30
I still think we will win tomorrow, and given my RVP rant It would not surprise me if he scored (Or is he still suspended?)
November 21, 2008 at 18:30
Time will tell i guess, but i just think the whole squad will be lifted, i will say no more until after tomorrows game –
November 21, 2008 at 18:31
Almunia cannot hold down a first team place????
November 21, 2008 at 18:31
pat – he is back
November 21, 2008 at 18:31
i agree pat in that you can’t class rvp the same as the torres, etoo, henry (huntelaar is still raw, in holland, and rvp is much better than him) until he plays a full season and scores 25 goals. He’s currently our only striker who is anywhere near to that standard though which is why we need him desperately.
avenell i wonder whether one of them will start now. I thought not after wilshere played 90 for the reserves in midweek and ramsey looked exhausted after an hour for wales but maybe one of them will have to. Unless Eboue is back or hoyte plays right back
November 21, 2008 at 18:32
the past two captains of arsenal have left on the back of it now people are going to curse cesc
November 21, 2008 at 18:32
The real conumdrum is whether Gallas is actually angling for a move. If he is, then it’s for the best that he’s gone long term as we will just be delaying the inevitable.
However, there is a possibility that Gallas actually cares about the club and feels the need to come out and say it. The nicey nicey hippie culture probably has him competely wound up and he has to have a release valve.
I think he thinks that it doesn’t matter if he keeps it in-house anymore. Either way we’re going nowhere. So he’s probably though ‘fuck it’ and decided to vent his spleen.
November 21, 2008 at 18:33
i reckon silvest will get it for the game tomorrow
November 21, 2008 at 18:33
Maybe a World Class Striker would put RVP in his place. He might suddenly realise that he is not as good as his ego thinks he is.
I think Ade is closer to a 25 goal haul though and has already done it.
November 21, 2008 at 18:34
RVP’s goal record is remarkable though. When fit he barely goes two games without a goal. His head never drops anymore.
November 21, 2008 at 18:35
i think its an absolute dissgrace that gallas has lost the armband he is the only one who comes up with vital goals when neede van pesie is a cunt what the fuck has he ever done oh yeah he gets injured an gets sent off thats about it
November 21, 2008 at 18:36
Pat, Ade is more reliant on the system. Last years spice boys were set up so to give focus completely on Ade. Without that focus he gets exposed.
RVP has the talent to prosper no matter what.
November 21, 2008 at 18:36
van persie was never an out and out striker. you cant play him alone up front like you can with huntelaar or torres.
van persie belongs to that special breed of players who can create something out of nothing. of course his attitude does not endear himself to us.
but he is one of our few truly world class players.
November 21, 2008 at 18:36
BBK …Almunia is already the joint vice captain so he will get it until a new captain is announced.
November 21, 2008 at 18:36
atleast gallas shows a bit of passion unlike the rest of them worthless cunts
November 21, 2008 at 18:37
knowing wenger song and eboue are probably prime candidates for captaincy
November 21, 2008 at 18:38
yep good point paulinho
November 21, 2008 at 18:39
Perhaps the other “worthless cunts” are useless because they hate Gallas..
November 21, 2008 at 18:39
I hope Gallas is stripped of the captaincy, I wanted that to happen before the start of the season, you need a motivator, someone that knows how to get through to players. I am for an old fashioned captain because……..people should do things by themselves, but sometimes they need to be prompted. The captain helps to keep to the managers tactical plan.
If players could all train themselves to be better we would not need a manager, the role of a leader is important in every sport, the captain has that extra bit of responsibility, he can be just as influential as the manager.
November 21, 2008 at 18:41
not if he has incompitant players around him that deliver fuck all this news today is poor van pussy should simply do the best thing and fuck off
November 21, 2008 at 18:42
BBK – possibly RvP is fed up with being slated by his captain, he is a bloody good striker imho, and tomorrow he will be on fire – I must stop arguing, sorry, i am just so excited -
Almunia skippy tomorrow, hope he plays as well as he did the last time he wore the armband
November 21, 2008 at 18:43
we can play 4-3-3!! with rvp om the right, like he does/did for the national team, and bendtner middle and vela left. that could work!
November 21, 2008 at 18:43
all this situation is because of wenger prehaps he should do one aswell
November 21, 2008 at 18:44
Rico sorry about my language, didn’t know you were there.
November 21, 2008 at 18:44
finest – he has been stripped of it, and dropped for tomorrow – yippeeeeeeeeeee
November 21, 2008 at 18:44
i think diaby has a massive role to play tomorrow with him and nasri being our main creative outlet in midfiled
November 21, 2008 at 18:45
and whos going to come in that great player djourou
November 21, 2008 at 18:45
ave – no worries my friend
November 21, 2008 at 18:45
BBK – you get out the wrong side of the bed today
November 21, 2008 at 18:46
to be honest the kids might actually help the “senior” players settle down a bit and fight as a team. sounds very much like wishful thinking but hey, that or we’re f**ked.
November 21, 2008 at 18:46
Watching arsenal live with stewart robson and shovell. Not one word on gallas being stripped of the captancy. Typical. Shovell is quite critical of gallas though. Prob won’t have him on again.
November 21, 2008 at 18:46
nah mate im just pissed that this has happend
November 21, 2008 at 18:47
BBK – so do you not rate JD then ?
November 21, 2008 at 18:47
Geoff said
We have way too many French players in the team, we should sign a few that break up the French mafia, there is an arrogance about the French that comes across as petulance, Vieira had it, Henry had it and now Gallas, and it shows in the way the team play.
I said this morning
.Is the french influence beginning to have an effect on others or are there just to many big heads instead of leaders
and now it’s official on BBc news that gallas has been stripped of the captaincy and dropped for tomorrow.
November 21, 2008 at 18:47
i know shovell very well he told me about this a couple of weeks ago that there was infighting going on
November 21, 2008 at 18:48
Why ?
November 21, 2008 at 18:48
A, Eboue has definitely been ruled out of tomorrow’s game.
November 21, 2008 at 18:48
It’s offical everywhere except arsenal tv!
November 21, 2008 at 18:48
We haven’t conceded a goal this season when Djourou has played, Gnarley said..
November 21, 2008 at 18:48
rico hes another cygan stepanovs senderos luzhny type player another thing that wenger is weak at
November 21, 2008 at 18:49
Love shovell’s shirt – got a 3 o’oclock badge on it
November 21, 2008 at 18:50
its in memory of the bear
November 21, 2008 at 18:50
He had that same shirt on last week rico.
November 21, 2008 at 18:50
BBK – thats harsh, as said we have yet to concede when he plays, imho he is leaps and bounds ahead of those you mention
November 21, 2008 at 18:51
3 o clock that’s me!!!
November 21, 2008 at 18:52
wow hes kept a few clean sheets in the carling cup we will now see tomorrow if he can step up with i doubt very much
November 21, 2008 at 18:54
I’m glad most are happy Gallas is not skipper anymore (And I REALLY REALLY dont mean that in a vindictive way!) and I really wish I could share in your optimism but I don’t see it solving any of our problems.
If anything, we will lose a world-class defender and the side will lose some crucial experience that we already are lacking rather badly.
I hope to be proven wrong and that it does become a changing point in our season, I really do.
I just worry that whoever becomes our next captain will face the same problems Gallas did. Whoever it is will have NO leaders to help them out, just like Gallas didn’t.
November 21, 2008 at 18:54
Arsenal.com are as good as usual!!!
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/saturday-s-key-battles-man-city-v-arsenal
November 21, 2008 at 18:55
wrighty is spot on
November 21, 2008 at 18:56
Arse TV is like Pravda. Dan Roebuck thinks every game should be a ‘comfortable victory’. Grade A bellend.
November 21, 2008 at 18:56
Has anyone else noticed that sky have already changed their wording?! It was “william gallas stripped of captaincy”, nice and dramatic. They’ve now changed it to “william gallas no longer captain”. Maybe he did quit then, just decided his head wasn’t right for tomorrow, and will be back in the future.
November 21, 2008 at 18:57
We should employ shovell as our official half time motivator
November 21, 2008 at 18:57
I just want to say that yes, this is a great chance for Djourou to stake a claim in the side and it is long overdue.
However, I would have liked it if it was Gallas and Djourou playing as they seemed to be forming a formidable partnership at the back in the early part of the season.
November 21, 2008 at 18:57
hi all,
has Gallas been stripped and dropped from tomorrows game?
November 21, 2008 at 18:57
the blame lies with wenger he has drove this club into total meltdown all because he and the board want to go with youth.it is a total shambles,we are sinking futher and futher down its time for the fans to step up and let these cunts know we are not amused
November 21, 2008 at 18:58
Arsene has said you need leaders all over the pitch, interestingly Roy Keane has said much the same thing – ‘ if I missed something in the dressing-room one of the others would pick it up’
The problem with a young squad is having no the experience all over the pitch and the players needing to relate to each other in a positive way – not being overpaid princes!!!
November 21, 2008 at 18:59
no there is a name who we could do with at this club
November 21, 2008 at 18:59
I dunno wrighty, I think we now have 1 commanding 1 quick/technical centre back. Silvestre is the former with Djourou back up, Gallas was the second with Kolo back up for that role. There’s no way we’ll play 2 commanding centre backs, and Kolo I’m sure would play well before Djourou. If Djourou is going to come into the team we need to recall Senderos badly! Djourou can’t get into the swiss team ahead of Senderos he certainly shouldn’t play for us with Senderos away on loan!
November 21, 2008 at 19:00
bini – gallas is no longer captain and isn’t playing tomorrow, but noone knows whether he quit, the players said they didn’t want him anymore, or wenger stripped him of it.
November 21, 2008 at 19:00
I remember Gallas slating Djourou even though Djourou cleared off the line and Almunia had to step in to break it up..
I bet Djourou would be more confident next to Silvestre or Toure..
November 21, 2008 at 19:00
bini:are you the same bini from hhboard??
I think Wenger was right to strip Gallas, for the good of the club.
I also heard a birdie from youngguns that Adebayor isnt in the squad tomorrow either
November 21, 2008 at 19:01
Brilliant
Arsenal Spotlight is on guess who?
November 21, 2008 at 19:02
avenell i remember exactly what you’re thinking of and that was absolutely horrific defending from djourou to give them the chance, then brilliant to get back and clear it off the line.
sky sports now reporting that they’ve been told by another source that gallas resigned as captain at the team meeting this lunchtime
November 21, 2008 at 19:03
Sion, Ade not in the squad. Woo hoo! Now that gets me excited
Ade’s departure will soften the Gallas blow!
November 21, 2008 at 19:03
sion, thanks for ur reply, so that is confirmed… I am just worried Gallas the main centre back wont commit as much as before, he might even threaten to score an own goal if he is not reinstated.
sorry but it must be some one else in hhboard (which i do not what relats to)
November 21, 2008 at 19:05
what paulinho?? Is ade definitely not in the squad?? why not??
November 21, 2008 at 19:05
either way, he aint captain no more, and although its messed up, its the right thing.
Gavin Hoyte is tipped to play tomorrow, and some of the carling cup kids are playing tomorrow aswell!
Lets hope Wilshere gets in there and tears City apart tomorrow, we all know he can..
November 21, 2008 at 19:06
Arsenal TV doing a player spotlight.Guess who?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gallas what a bunch of muppets.
November 21, 2008 at 19:07
its all recorded and scheduled ages ago paul, what do you expect them to do?! just amusing timing
November 21, 2008 at 19:07
They’re actually talking to gallas on arsenal tv about ‘how it felt to get the captancy’.
November 21, 2008 at 19:08
Arse. com has Gallas v Robinho down as a key battle! Gonna be a bit one-sided?
November 21, 2008 at 19:09
A
I’d expect them to cancel it and put another player on.
I just find it quite funny.
All the stuff on arsenal tv is repeats except the stuff on the forthcoming saturday matches and the reserve games.
November 21, 2008 at 19:10
Shit. Popped home to get changed and go out … thought I’d check Le Grove and see almost 650 comments and the World going mad … can’t wait to get back – see you in about 5 hours!
November 21, 2008 at 19:11
Rico, I Just read it on Reuters (haven’t been keeping up with newsnow), yes it looks like the armband will be given away. Wenger is trying to sort the team out, this is the first, and a major step.
November 21, 2008 at 19:11
A… Someone said earlier Ade has a thigh strain, I don’t know if that’s true..
November 21, 2008 at 19:11
expect who to cancel it? It’s scheduled and just pressed play, it’s not like there are constantly live shows, and gallas is still an arsenal player, they aren’t going to cancel it just because hes not playing tomorrow!
paulinho who told you ade is out tomorrow?
November 21, 2008 at 19:12
Many reports now saying gallas has also been sacked.The captain and manager are to have the same voice in public and he has broken the rules,au revoir mon ami.
November 21, 2008 at 19:12
oh ok, the same one that meant he didn’t start at villa? I guess he shouldn’t even have come on if that was the case but we were desperate.
November 21, 2008 at 19:13
Young guns.
November 21, 2008 at 19:13
looks like almunia will be captain at least for tomorrow.
November 21, 2008 at 19:14
I told Paulinho lol
its on youngguns, its not a dead cert, but they reckon hes not in the squad either
November 21, 2008 at 19:14
How do you phone in for fans forum when it’s all recorded weeks ago?
November 21, 2008 at 19:14
reports where kelsey? Originally reports came from the fact that it was leaked there was a team meeting at 1245, and gallas supposedly quit, then couple hours later sky sports jumped in with “gallas stripped of captaincy”, then it appears they realised were lying and going to be found out so reverted back to “gallas no longer captain” and conflicting reports saying he was stripped or quit. I’d imagine reports now saying he was stripped of it would be originating from the misleading sky sports originally
November 21, 2008 at 19:15
A
It’s 15 mins long just the same as all the other player interviews. The could have ejected it and put another in.
I find it quite amusing that the haven’t mentioned the current gallas situation yet they’re showing videos about himtalking about what an honour it is to be the captain.
November 21, 2008 at 19:15
avenell the fans forum and live reserve games are the only things that are live, everything else is generally very old
November 21, 2008 at 19:16
why though paul? gallas is still an arsenal player. If he’d been kicked out of the club transferred or had his contract terminated then they might have done that, but they aren’t going to just because he’d in a bit of trouble!
November 21, 2008 at 19:16
Gallas dream move to finish his carreer in PSG/LYON or other France club will come sooner….. Arsen knows that he can not play him anymore & will be tempted to shift him out in January.
November 21, 2008 at 19:17
Cesc Fabregas is the new captain, according to Steve Stammers.
November 21, 2008 at 19:18
So if there are producers there to do fans forum surely they can change the program that precedes it.
November 21, 2008 at 19:18
cesc will be the right person and probably will be the right lift that he needs to up his game
November 21, 2008 at 19:18
Avenell
Everything on the forthcoming saturday matches. i.e arsenl live and fans forum is obviously live. As are the reserve matches.
Everything else is just repeats that they play over and over again.
November 21, 2008 at 19:18
A
it’s on radio 5 live now and steve stamers of the evening standard,who usually knows what’s going on said he was sacked which might mean he is sacked as from now or will leave in january.
November 21, 2008 at 19:18
I’m sure they’ve been told they aren’t allowed to really mention it as speculation only makes things worse and they won’t until things are confirmed and theres something official
November 21, 2008 at 19:20
Paul88 – hope is has been washed
November 21, 2008 at 19:21
Wrighty – I challenged you this morning on your stance defending Gallas. I agree that we will have lost a world-class defender but how many times did we actually see that player in an arsenal shirt? If his being captain has caused divisions – thats harsh – if his being captain has not helped to heal divisions in the squad then its better hes not the captain? What d’you think?
November 21, 2008 at 19:23
Is ade out for tomorrow?
November 21, 2008 at 19:25
No worries fin – and i think you are right, a big move has been made…
Hi choy – how you doing ?
November 21, 2008 at 19:26
woops – fin should read finest
November 21, 2008 at 19:27
avenall – you can phone into fans forum thats on now, its live
November 21, 2008 at 19:27
sooooooo
team for tomorrow?? Almunia
Hoyte Djourou Silvestre Clichy
Nasri Song Denilson Diaby
RVP Ade/Bendtner
November 21, 2008 at 19:30
Thats my team too
November 21, 2008 at 19:30
Peaches… yes I know It was a reply to a comment from 7.11pm but no worries.
November 21, 2008 at 19:31
Except I have Diaby on the right and Nasri on the left
November 21, 2008 at 19:34
my team that i would pick for tomorrow would be:
Almunia
Hoyte, Djourou, Silverstre,Clichy
Wilshere, Diaby, Ramsey/Denilson.Nasri
RVP, Bendtner (he will have a decent game tomorrow i feel, hes got a point to prove)
November 21, 2008 at 19:37
hello people. Has Gallas Really been stripped of the captaincy?
as only Sky Sports news seem to be saying it?
November 21, 2008 at 19:39
Me – i would go for
Almunia
Hoyte JD Silvestre Clichy
Nasri Diaby Denilson Merida
Ade RvP
November 21, 2008 at 19:39
OOPS – Not Merida – Rambo the Ramsey
November 21, 2008 at 19:40
Hi Raif,who’s the little one.Afraid it is all true,relieved of captaincy,didn’t travel and he’s going to get the bullet most probably now or leave in january.
November 21, 2008 at 19:40
Raif.. The BBC, Setanta, SSN talksport, the blogs all say it..
Arsenal.com say Bob McNab has a knee injury..
November 21, 2008 at 19:40
Peaches,
I really hope that you and all the other Gooners who think this is the right move are proved correct because that means Arsenal benefit.
I just feel Gallas has been harshly treated by Gooners, pundits, ex-pros, bloggers, commenters, everyone.
I honestly cannot remember an ARSENAL player who has been this hated. Yes he has brought some of it on himself, but I can’t believe some of the stuff I’ve seen or heard!
November 21, 2008 at 19:41
Rico – I was just gonna say Merida?
November 21, 2008 at 19:41
song for captain
November 21, 2008 at 19:42
rico hello.what about simpson,randall ,and ramsey before merida
November 21, 2008 at 19:42
the general didnt trust his own captain,maybe this was a coup withing the squad
November 21, 2008 at 19:43
Gallas was good in parts of his captaincy, and some of the shit he said was kinda true, but the fact is, he cant do what he did, and I was defending him previous to all of that.
Some sections of the media think the capo will be Cescy baby, lets hope that ignites some fire in the boy.
November 21, 2008 at 19:43
Wrighty… Wenger has to take some of the responsabilty, he should never have put Gallas up there to be shot at!
November 21, 2008 at 19:44
diaby will play centre with denilson,song at rightback,nasri on the left,ramsey on the right
November 21, 2008 at 19:45
eboue for vice captain
November 21, 2008 at 19:46
Maybe you are right Avenell but whoever has the job now will have the same problems as Gallas did but won’t get as much stick!
November 21, 2008 at 19:46
I’d be surprised if Ramsey started after how tired he was in midweek. The only reason he would is if we have noone else because Song goes to right back. I’d be shocked if it isn’t Song and Denilson centre mids tomorrow should Hoyte come in at right back.
November 21, 2008 at 19:46
giles grimandi is coming out of retirement and will lead us to champions league glory
November 21, 2008 at 19:47
The trouble with having Eboue as captain.. If he flipped a coin and it hit him on the foot we would have to get the paramedics on.
November 21, 2008 at 19:47
Wrighty,don’t you think because of our recent bad form,some are making him a scapegoat,but having said that he should have learnt his lesson at brum,and wenger didn’t tell him to come out with all these things coincidently the day before his book comes out.
November 21, 2008 at 19:48
if clich becomes arsenal captain cesc will never be our official captain,cesc best hope they give it to someone who is old or someone who is planning to leave if he wants it in the future,i feel its now or never for cesc
November 21, 2008 at 19:48
kelsey – i did ammend my team me old mucker
peaches – how about Merida on the bench, i really dont think he is far away from the first team – just goes about his business quietly
November 21, 2008 at 19:49
Gallas started slagging the team of in the same close season as he was made captain. he was already starting off on the wrong footing.
November 21, 2008 at 19:49
avanell thats what the paramedics get paid for,anyway eboue would never get hit on the foot by the coin,he could do six step overs before it even hit the floor
November 21, 2008 at 19:50
i think something has happened with merida rico, he really hasn’t developed how we would have hoped. He was in youth world cup more or less on par with bojan, vela, kroos, dos santos but has dropped miles behind all of them
November 21, 2008 at 19:51
so now we need to buy a centre half,a defensive midfielder and a captain,ok well if anyone has money in the bank arsenal could be for sale tommorow
November 21, 2008 at 19:51
Wrighty – obviously I want the best for Arsenal. I have felt that it was a mistake for Gallas to be the captain since before the start of the season.
This problem has to be placed at the door of AW. The history is that Gilberto wasn’t fit to start last season and Toure was going to the African Nations Cup and so Gallas was made captain!!!!
Really Gilberto/Toure should have been captain – ideally Gilberto as he had done a great job while Thierry was out injured. Lots of other things also happened – Flamini became unstoppable alongside cesc and the team really flourished.
Gallas blew it with his fit of pique against B’ham. He should have been there in front of goal to hoof the ball away in case the penalty was missed not sitting sulking on the half-way line!!!!
I agree that his experience will be missed, I hope he will be persuaded to play again. If you love the club you’d want to carry on playing wouldn’t you?
November 21, 2008 at 19:51
He cant be classed as a scapegoat guys – there is only one captain, and he chose to chops off to the press, and that is the reason he has been dropped as captain
November 21, 2008 at 19:52
steve morrow seems like a very very intelligent bloke on fans forum
November 21, 2008 at 19:52
just imagine if almunia saved the penalty at brum gallas would have certainly been sacked on that day
November 21, 2008 at 19:54
Yea Morrows a good lad, I watched him on the Bob Wilson meets program.
November 21, 2008 at 19:55
Bergkamp. What if Almunia punched it to the half way line and Gallas went on to score?
He would be a hero.
November 21, 2008 at 19:56
Rico – I agree about Merida. I’ve watched him in the reserves and was at the cc game last week. He is efficient and goes about playing the ball very well. He was fabulous with coquelin in midfield in the reserves a couple of weeks ago – hes better in midfield than on the wing.
November 21, 2008 at 19:57
Kelsey,
I 100% think that he took the blame for almost everything after that incident at Birmingham. The flak he took for that was way over the top, especially from the English media. Rio Ferdinand kicks a women and its hardly mentioned, Gallas sulks and its spoken about forever!
Peaches,
I know you only want whats best for Arsenal. So do I and I really hope that you are right in what you say. I really do.
November 21, 2008 at 19:57
kelsey. hi fella.
the little one is doing ok. he got Jaundice again. but that seems to be clearing up and almost gone witch is good. we need hime to put a little bit more weight on tho.
November 21, 2008 at 19:58
i think merida has been told to cut out the tricks and flashy skills etc he did all the time a year or two ago, but in doing that he’s lost something.
November 21, 2008 at 20:00
Avenell – you are naughty, I was just about to tell bergie what a good point he’d made when I read yours
November 21, 2008 at 20:00
Grovers,
I’m off out for to drown my sorrows in lashings of Peroni.
I’ll be in tomorrow, despite todays happenings and no matter what happens we will all love Arsenal.
Heres to three points and a new future for the club!
Keep it Goonerish……….
November 21, 2008 at 20:01
haha if he punched it to the halfway line gallas would have been offside in his sittin position,see he wasnt a good role model for ade AVANELL
November 21, 2008 at 20:01
Peaches – him and a few others i think, its good news for us, coq and coff especially
Guys – have to go now, although i would love to talk about the days events more
You all be safe – and be nice
Nighty Night
November 21, 2008 at 20:02
anyway galls is gone now,hopefully whoever they install as captain can lead the club forward and then we will never wonder about this saga ever again
November 21, 2008 at 20:02
Wrighty7
i said somthing close to what u said about gallas.
i think theres a smear campaign against him as his a very outspoken person. plus given the fact his french they all moan dont they. its all to do with History aswell i say.
as anything a british sports person did it gets swept under the carpet without a word
November 21, 2008 at 20:02
Is anyone else annoyed by the villa out played arsenal deserved win etc bollocks when they just played the most defensive i’ve ever seen and fouled us out of the match?!
November 21, 2008 at 20:03
Wrighty – have a good night, tomorrow will bring what tomorrow brings!!
3 points to the good guys of course
November 21, 2008 at 20:04
peaches gooner so do you wanna come with me to the emirates tommorow and we can get our shirts printed SONG 4 captain ?
November 21, 2008 at 20:05
no I don’t want song to be captain
November 21, 2008 at 20:05
william gallas should have taken a leaf out of barak obamas book not been a mugabi style leader
November 21, 2008 at 20:07
peaches gooner i cant believe you could be so mean to mr song,they gave william the armband to shut him up,maybe if they give it to song he will show the world why he is a future madrid galactico
November 21, 2008 at 20:08
I think – but I have had a couple of glasses of wine – that clichy should be taken to one side and told that – we really admire how hard you work for the team, we’ve noticed that you give all you can every match and we would love you to lead the team for the rest of this season to let Cesc get his game back and then we’ll make Cesc captain
November 21, 2008 at 20:08
gallas should have pinned his enemies to the dressing room wall,not gone out snitching (promoting his new book released on monday)
November 21, 2008 at 20:09
peaches gooner,i really honestly think we should play this season out with almunia as captain,then all the applicants for the job may apply,cesc might not put his name forward,nor may clichey,who knows!
November 21, 2008 at 20:10
bergkamp fabianski will be number one by the end of the season though, otherwise i’d agree.
November 21, 2008 at 20:11
if we select cliche for the job an we win the CL league this year it means clichey is our new greatest leader of all time?,will robin van persie spit at gael if gael asks him to work harder?? i think so!
November 21, 2008 at 20:11
of course bergie, you’re right, what gallas did is not what a man does. He was underhand and should have found a better way to address these problems. Thats why I do think that AW has to take some resposibility
November 21, 2008 at 20:11
A well then fabianski can have the armband when almunia gets shifted out the line up
November 21, 2008 at 20:11
bergkamp
hahahaha.. Barak Obama i like that. but to be honest i don think he would be telling the kids at arsenal
we need to change our current form and results. its “CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN”
November 21, 2008 at 20:13
we should all agree not to purchase a william gallas’s book
November 21, 2008 at 20:14
william gallas was more convincing than barak once upon a time,i thought he was the answer to our prayers the day he signed up
November 21, 2008 at 20:15
God eveninng ! Peachesgooner – Don’t let the wine do all the talking..
Fabregas is not a leader today, and he won’t be tomorrow. I don’t think he has the stature…
November 21, 2008 at 20:16
Hhhhhmmmmnnnn – lots of issues there.
RVP – he could be amazing, we know hes temperamental, but when hes on fire hes fantastic.
Almunia – I’d love him to keep the no 1, but if theres a chance he’ll he go AWOL then how can he be captain
Clichy – works his socks off, he should get some recognition for that alone shouldn’t he?
November 21, 2008 at 20:17
the thing is when we got gallas first i think wengers hands were tied financially,he needed a cantre half ,now he doesnt have to be so forgiving beacuse djourou is older,big head from man ure is around,and kolo can only get better,i think he needed gallas to stay an givin him the armband was a hopeful attempt at making him act his age
November 21, 2008 at 20:18
Wenger WILL make one of the French players our NEW Captain.
and im talking about when it comes to picking a permanent Captain
November 21, 2008 at 20:19
Magnus – thats not true, Fabregas is a respected member of the squad. I don’t think – like a lot of grovers – hes ready to be captain right now, but I do think that he could be a great captain for Arsenal.
Who would you like to have the honour tmoro for starters??????
November 21, 2008 at 20:19
peaches gooner,the captains armband puts you in charge of a bunch of underperformers,you have to tell them constantly to get their finger out,can u see clichey whose performances have earned him a huge pay rise already having the guts to tell robin van persie to get his finger out an stop strolling round in no mans land and actually pass the ball for once?? i think a man like van will tell him exactly what he told henry on occasions and exactly what he told gallas recently,van is a bad seed,great player but disliked by many,
November 21, 2008 at 20:21
Bergie – I agree that Gallas was probably captain to shut him up. But what a mistake that was!!!!!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 20:22
Should vp go then?
November 21, 2008 at 20:22
we need a gutsy captain,i dont think the right man to leed this bunch of players is in our squad,theres too many cry babys and sulkers,we need a strong captain who can tell a guy like clichey forget his own goal,forget his slip against tottenham to pick himself up, i dont think we have someone that mature in our camp other than almunia
November 21, 2008 at 20:23
vp should go,look at players form an their goalscoring records an what the team achieves without him strolling round on the pitch,then look at the stats with van on the pitch, why did wenger rarely pair van with henry??
November 21, 2008 at 20:24
heelo rico.. m dead
.. hows you
November 21, 2008 at 20:25
I think that the players saw that gallas went missing too many times. I sat at the Hull game and watched Gallas not go for any headers – his game plan was to just get in the way, not to actively go for the ball, thats not good enough as a defender and as the captain. If the players watched the game again they would see that.
November 21, 2008 at 20:25
van is only interested in goal of the month,he is so deluded comparing himself to dennis bergkamp,the dutch hate him,look how many oponants have knocked him the fuck out,van has a weird streak to him,he winds people up just by existing
November 21, 2008 at 20:26
Was just thinking about how we often turn so quickly on the current players.
It seems so difficult to believe that the players want the best for the club in anywhere near the same way as we do.
Since Cashley waved his arse at Mourinho, who can you trust?
Man C 1 Arsenal 3
November 21, 2008 at 20:26
but if van actually passed the ball instead of take 8 touches an shoot even with his weakest foot from impossible angles we’d have beaten hull
November 21, 2008 at 20:27
our best performance this season was bolton away for me,mr van was nowhere near the pitch because yes he was fasting,what a piss take
November 21, 2008 at 20:27
Bergie – I agree with you that the right player is not there. We need a player to lead the team out of the tunnel, to wear the armband – Gallas has screwed us.
Who’s gonna wear that armband???????????????
November 21, 2008 at 20:28
Don’t get me wrong here – I love Fab, but I’m not sure if he is captain material..
When it comes to tomorrows game…Hmm I’m not sure 1 thing is certain – we don’t have that many players with the stature needed…But if ihave to pick one, i would have
to go for Gael… Hes giving 100% day in and out…
November 21, 2008 at 20:28
vp has 9 in 12 starts this season, 9 in 19 last season but he was incredibly rusty never really match fit and 11 in 17 season before. He has an incredible goalscoring record and will always score when fit and playing! Though he isn’t perfect, and far from Henry, he is miles better than anyone else we currently have so gotta make do!
November 21, 2008 at 20:29
for now id say almunia,i love gael clichey but he is too emotional to be a leader of men ,he has problem dealing with his own mistakes,he deserves a shot of course but so do many, we made one mistake we just shouldnt rush into another!
November 21, 2008 at 20:30
i agree completely bergs. I can’t see how it’ll be anyone apart from almunia for the time being, as clichy and cesc aren’t ready yet and once its done you can’t take it back! It does worry me though as almunia needs to concentrate on his own game too!!
November 21, 2008 at 20:32
When it comes to RVP i would say that the temprature (up there between the ears) are to ofthen a bit on the high side for my liking…Trust everybody remember the “little” incident with Thomas Soerensen……Not very inteligent if you ask me!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 20:32
9 in 12 starts an in every game nearly every chace has fallen to him,he takes free kicks an penaltys an theo hasnt had a good game with van on the same pitch,ade scored 30 last season this season van wont even pass him the ball,van falls into cescs favourite position an hardly ever gets in the box when theo is cutting in,he missed a hatrick against sunderland and a hat trick against fulham, our best attacking performances man united fenehbahche away and bolton have all been vanless,for me we havent won a big game with van in the team since man united when henry scored
November 21, 2008 at 20:34
He may choose Almunia for tmoro and I would respect him for that, but I think he’ll change it for the next game.
November 21, 2008 at 20:34
sorenson said he got van sent off,if you ask me van knew wat he was doin,how can he attack theo walcott as well at half time,what has van ever achieved to make him the chief of pointing fingers??
November 21, 2008 at 20:35
Almuina or Silvestre for Captain Tomorrow
November 21, 2008 at 20:35
even christiano ronaldo and kaka and henry an ronaldinho an messi dont have the ego of rvp
November 21, 2008 at 20:36
So Bergie, you’re not keen on van the ,man then?
November 21, 2008 at 20:37
if i was gonna name a full time arsenal captain right now id choose cesc or cliche,its as simple as a coin toss,but right now id say almunia or sylvestre before either of them as i dont think either is mentally at any type of peak an they havent been this low before form wise
November 21, 2008 at 20:38
i just think van doesnt realise that there is a clock an when it says 90 minutes the game is up,he is more interested in hitting top corners than actually aimin at the target,he isnt a team player,last season we done well without him,eduardo an ade are the ones out of the selection we have,van just dreams of bein a bergkamp when truthfully he has the talent but not the attitude
November 21, 2008 at 20:40
Hello!
If Wenger choses Silvestre it will only tell You something about ambitions of Our Club. He was 4th or even 5th choice defender, when he was a MU player and now he will be our captain?I don’t belive it.
November 21, 2008 at 20:40
play song behind the front man,he could teach dennis a thing or two
November 21, 2008 at 20:42
its not about ambition pickin the captain on saturday,its about choosin the most mentally fit man on the pitch,the man who is best to help a team ride out a problem,cesc an them aint seen these type of problems before
November 21, 2008 at 20:42
Bergie – you say a lot of sensible things, vp is not a team player – my friends and i have discussed this often. Its a shame, as he has the talent to be a fantastic player for us. His work off the ball is rubbish, he often wanders around aimlessly
November 21, 2008 at 20:43
Toure and Almunia are already vice captains so I don’t think it is an issue at the moment.
Hi Maciek.
November 21, 2008 at 20:44
Ok, I put my hand up, I’ll be the captain tmoro
November 21, 2008 at 20:45
As for Van Persie. I like him and I know that injuries stopped him from being even a better player but he isn’t as good as most of us think. He has an ego, and I don’t think our style suits him. Well, maybe it’s just me. Anyway I would love to sell him and buy Villa. But, isn’t Villa to similar to Eduardo?
November 21, 2008 at 20:45
van is the most talented forward at arsenal,but he is a what is know as a scorer of great goals,not a great goal scorer,he is more interested in the way the ball hits the net rather than how often it hits the net,and he is over rated,he has scored 3 freekicks in about 5 years
November 21, 2008 at 20:47
how often instead of takin the corners properly do you see van run over to the corner so he can get his 8 touches of the ball,he picks himself in his own sun dream team , he does so many wasteful things,at least cescs freekicks hit the wall,van fucking kills people on the upper tear 9 times out of ten,but oh yeah he is the cultured left foot
November 21, 2008 at 20:47
Bergie – you have summed him up in a nutshell – he only wants to score fantastic goals not a fantastic number of goals
November 21, 2008 at 20:48
its no wonder his own fans bashed him in holland,he didnt even tip the strippers neither
November 21, 2008 at 20:49
bergkamp did you just claim that ronaldo doesnt have the ego of vp?! ronaldo has the biggest ego world football has ever seen, hes a complete and utter turd and has been piping on for 2 years about being the best player in the world!! henry had a massive ego, having an ego doesn’t make you a shit player! he’d miles better than anyone else we have at the moment, ade has an absolutely massive ego, even bigger than vps, and he’s nowhere near as talented! I’m very worried about ade’s input without gallas. Everytime he isn’t playing or when he is before kick off and half time he seems to be trying to give our kids advice. Being one of the thickest footballers in the prem he can’t actually offer anything worthwhile, but i can imagine him before a game without gallas doing the teamtalk him taking it upon himself to jump in the middle of the circle try and take over!
November 21, 2008 at 20:49
Hello Avenell.
Who would You like to see wearing captain’s armband? My choice would be Fabregas. Maybe that will make him a player we used to know and like?
November 21, 2008 at 20:50
peaches,he is the kind of guy who wants to be the darling of the support, but that happens naturally,you cant make that happen,van talks about the telepathic understanding with ade after ade puts two goals on a plate for him,but a week earlier against hull he is refusin to pass ade the ball,but ade gets the blame when this season all the chances fall to van so far
November 21, 2008 at 20:51
Do you think the team would have got on Ades back for the number of chances hes missed?
November 21, 2008 at 20:52
used to know and like,we all like fabregas still,this is a temporary dip for cesc,when wenger finds a suitable water carrier an releases the fab back to do what he does best service will be resumed
November 21, 2008 at 20:53
the team will never get on ade’s back because ade will bust a gut to help the midfield when they are struggling,and he accepts responsibilty an helps defend,when does van??
November 21, 2008 at 20:55
no one is on vans back,van dissed theo for shooting against spurs instead of layin the ball off to him,thats the rumour,and i hear from a decent friend that inthe short time van was on the pitch against stoke he told gallas to go fuck himself,this is the problems an those are just two incidents
November 21, 2008 at 20:57
Maciek. If I had to choose a permanent captain from what we have at the moment I would give it to Clichy because he is an example to everyone with his running and tackling.
But if we have Almunia and Toure as vice captains do we need to worry until the summer?
November 21, 2008 at 20:58
if we sign a quality defender who is currently a club captain or a dm should he be on the possibilty list for the captains role?? avenell
November 21, 2008 at 20:58
ade doesnt help defend, he’s told to help defend but doesn’t really even try when he’s back there. He does a token jump at set pieces, if that, he doesn’t actually care about the team! Look at guiza when fenebache scored, 100% ade’s fault, and it wasn’t cos he made a mistake or misjudgement, he just didn’t try.
November 21, 2008 at 20:59
Isnt this typical Arsenal no official comment fuck the supporters whats it got to do with them
November 21, 2008 at 20:59
we should spend 10-15 million on lucio and make him captain, incredible player and great leader
November 21, 2008 at 20:59
When Henry left we noticed immediately that certain players were able to play with more freedom, if Gallas not being captain has the same effect then its surely worth it.
The sad part is that the captain should inspire the team to go forward and Gallas did not do this. Whoever stands up to the plate tmoro will have his job cut out.
Also it may be to our advantage that VP’S nature has been revealed!!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 21:01
paul what on earth are you talking about?! how is it saying fuck the supporters?! i really dont get why when bad things happen fans attack the club, or when the press try their best to make things as bad as possible fans attack the club rather than the press. there hasn’t been a comment because there are loads of decisions to be made and they won’t make an announcement until all the necessary decisions have been made.
November 21, 2008 at 21:03
i always knew about van persies nature ,he was a trouble maker before we signed him, he got injured in a pitch invasion by supporters of his old club an clashed with senior players regular even quickly takin a free kick that pierre van hoidonk placed in one game, it was seen when he scored against charlton an henry tried to stop him getting booked an he slagged of theirry,how can van slag off a legend like theirry? how comes half the time he feuds its with another dutchman? why did he try break hasslebainks leg
November 21, 2008 at 21:03
So the supporters who pay the wages have no right to know whats happening to their club
November 21, 2008 at 21:04
Thanks Avenell.
Bergkamp- sorry my mistake. Of course, we still love Cesc(I still admire him) but I was thinking more about his attitude and his poor form. I think it dawn to Cesc and Wenger, because he let him down in the summer, and young Spaniard just knows that Denilson and Song aren’t Flamini.
November 21, 2008 at 21:05
i agree its not fuck the supporters,if arsenal could give info to their fans exclusively without showin the world our problems,finances etc im sure they would,but were a club not a plc,privately owned!
November 21, 2008 at 21:07
dont worry mr maciek,cesc will rise up again,he is doin a great service to arsenal right now an gettin on with it silently,could you imagine if milan asked kaka to play deep an have a minor fill in his favourite role an stroll around doin not a lot when we lose possesion,cesc will be back hungrier
November 21, 2008 at 21:09
This is what need to happen to Gallas on the first game back at the Grove..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DKmJPnAGUJk
November 21, 2008 at 21:11
Arsenal need prayers right now. Before we go to bed let all Gunners say a prayer for our beloved team.AW does not know brigade. (ADNKB)
November 21, 2008 at 21:12
its a shame lehman isnt around,he was outspoken but in a competitive way,he would deliever a speech which would make martin luther king proud,that would rally the troops,but i dont see that kind of influence being in the dressing room now,this is why wenger should be employing guys like keown or extending players like pires contract,only a legend can tell a future set of legends what is expected of them
November 21, 2008 at 21:14
Van Buyten isn’t necesarily better than any CB we have guys. In euro 08 qualifying, he was at fault for the goals Poland scored against them, both home and away. He got burned by a Palermo reject(Matusiak). I, for 1, do not want Van Buyten. He’s good in the air, thats about it. I’m sure Djourou is better if given the time.
November 21, 2008 at 21:14
Thanks for response Mr Bergkamp. You can call me Maciek( that will be better). As for Cesc. There is something wrong with hin, I think that he will be off to Barca in the summer. But I won’t cry because we have got Nasri, Rosicky, Merida and Ramsey. But I care about our CDM and CD positions. We don’t have ANY quality cdm at our Club, and that’s all dawn to Wenger. But he”knows”, doesn’t he?
November 21, 2008 at 21:18
wenger knows william G was turning into a crazy man yes maciek ,he must know we need a dm i dont think he knows yet whether his intended targets will be available in january
November 21, 2008 at 21:19
Why do you think that Ramsey cannot be your CDM ? Maciek.
When Arsene signed him he said he can play anywhere along the back 4.
November 21, 2008 at 21:28
Mr Avenell, he could be a great DM( better than Song and Denilson, already), but at the moment he lacks stamina. And to be a CDM You need to be an inteligent player and a powerful one . He is very intelligent, but isn’t it to early to him to play as cdm? Call me crazy, but I would drop Cesc and Denilson, who I don’t like, and would play Aaron and Coquelin.
November 21, 2008 at 21:29
Mr Bergkamp
If he knew we do need a new cdm and cd, why he didn’t buy any?
November 21, 2008 at 21:31
Let’s be fair. If we fail to win ANY trophy this season and end up OUTSIDE the top 4- he should be SACKED? He is a maker and breaker.
November 21, 2008 at 21:32
sorry *!, not ?
November 21, 2008 at 21:38
What was the fan forum like tonight? Any nutters call in and make Tom Watt do one of frown expressions?
November 21, 2008 at 21:40
Maciek.. Who else do you think could of kept Arsenal in the top 4 on the budget that Arsene has been given in the last 4 years?
There are 17 clubs who have spent more than him but only 2 have been more successful..
Does that not make him a good manager who deserves a chance now that we have nearly completed our move from Highbury?
He has done the hard work and got us through the years when money has been limited.
You can leave of the Mr if you want Avenell is only a nickname..
November 21, 2008 at 21:43
I’m going to watch it at 10 Paulinho…
November 21, 2008 at 22:00
All I want is a little bit of honesty from him and our board. I think we all deserve it. If he don’t have any money- than he should just say- sorry guys we are skint. But all we hear from our bourd is- we got 70 milion to spend( Edelman), Arsene can splash 30 mln. for one player( Fiszman). It’s unfair. Just say Arsene, that You are scared of spending big, and it will help.
November 21, 2008 at 22:04
that’s not true avenell.
arsenal has the 3rd biggest wage bill in the epl (as of 2007-2008 at least) at ~70m per season. It wouldn’t be too far to say that any manager would have kept us in the top 4. Just look at all the turmoil Liverpool had before Benitez and they still managed to stay in the top 4.
Wenger DID use our comparatively small budget (compared to the other top 3, not the rest of the league) and challenged for the title, which was a real feat. But this season, he’s not.
November 21, 2008 at 22:07
We have spent £400 million on a stadium …
Chelsea have spent £500 million on players, they don’t even own the ground they play in…. see when you think about it Arsene deserves a bit more time.
Not forever… Arsenal are a proud club they are not going to say they have no money to spend and I think they would borrow a bit if it helps Wenger and I think that is what we will do in January and in the summer.
November 21, 2008 at 22:11
So, Avenell if our board is not going to say that we are in red, and don’t have money for transfers, do You think it’s fair? You want to be lied? It’s ok if You will be cheated?
November 21, 2008 at 22:12
Liverpool backed Benitez and Houlier with millions and he still dropped out of the top 4 and let Everton in and they still haven’t made the big move to a new ground.
Also with regards to the wage bill it has built Arsenal probably the beat future team in the Premiership, he just needs to sort this season out.
What bits not true?
November 21, 2008 at 22:13
Borrow money?
We make 3.5 milion pounds per match, excluding tv, comercials, etc. and we may be forced to borrow? So. where are our money going?
November 21, 2008 at 22:18
Avenell. I RESPECT YOUR view. You have seen Arsenal more times than I will ever be. But( don’t get me wrong) Wenger isn’t a God. He is just a human. He is tired. You can see this. He should retire for his own good. I love him, but he is finished, and because I admire him I want for him all the best. I fear for his health.
November 21, 2008 at 22:19
No, No, we turnover £3 million pounds a game we have an electric bills and other things to pay out of that…
If you sell a car for £300 pounds but you bought it for £299 you have only made a pound…
November 21, 2008 at 22:19
*be able to
November 21, 2008 at 22:21
Avenell. You didn’t response. Do You feel cheated by our board and our manager? Letted dawn?
November 21, 2008 at 22:32
Good one avenell re Gallas you tube
November 21, 2008 at 22:32
I have supported Arsenal for 40 years nearly (that doesn’t make me a better supporter than you Maciek), but really we are just customers of Arsenal and I don’t need to know some things as much as I want to.
I have seen and been in the £400 million stadium and it is the future, even though I would much rather be standing at the old clock end at Arsenal.
I have also run my own buisness in England since 1991 and I appreciate how Arsenal are trying to do things the right way not borrowing too much and growing slowly, if we had of invested in players and a stadium we would be £1000,000,000 in debt A Thousand Million pounds in debt.
This is for the long tem future of Arsenal football club, even if it hurts for a few years..
AKBish
November 21, 2008 at 22:33
Cheers Gnarley.. sad thing is I remember it on the box..
November 21, 2008 at 22:36
gday all, welcome back to me!
first time blogging since last saturdays debacle against villa. Once again it was just too much to bear to think about football, so i took the whole week off!
Now today reading my first piece of football news i find the Gallas issue. So this seems pretty big, could i go as far as to say that? is he out for the game today and has he infact lost the captaincy, is that official?
i see Cesc is banned today as well for too many yellows, we could be stuffed?
could you guys bring me up to speed please?!
November 21, 2008 at 22:37
That’s not AKB’ish that’s realism, we can question how much risk Arsenal are taking at the prsent minute but we’re not in their shoes we’re not responsible for the future of Arsenal football club.
I’m glad we’re working steadily and while it may not work out right away we’ll enjoy the football for years to come.
http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=1127&cntnt01origid=30&cntnt01returnid=42
Btw Myles Palmer does talk a load of rubbish sometimes, if you want to question people’s motives with what they say and do, he isn’t a bad place to start.
November 21, 2008 at 22:37
Roy Keane as a potential manager for The Arsenal
1. He has something to prove
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2. Would do a great job with more in his Arsenal (more spending power
3. There is no doubt he would know exactly the type of DM to get for Cesc/Ramsay.
4. He knows what it takes to win the Cups,
5. He has learnt his craft from Sir Fur-on-Tongue (love them or hate them, you can’t deny both are winners)
November 21, 2008 at 22:38
Morning all/evo
November 21, 2008 at 22:40
evo
The Gallas issue has been spicy (Ginger) & has had PC keyboards rattling.
November 21, 2008 at 22:41
Evo Yes your are right… The BBC, SSN, Setanta and everyone else say it.. not seen nothing from the Arsenal site but we never do..
I think will do okay though the shackles are off now Gallas has gone!
November 21, 2008 at 22:42
Gallas debate rolls on then… In all honesty i’m glad he has been stripped of/given up the captaincy… Regardless of whatever happened, in all walks of life, as in what happens in thailand, stays in thailand can be said true of the dressing room also… WE are never usually in the papers with this nonsense and the fact we now are is because of our captain and yes, something had to be done immediately… Gallas will be gone in january, but the damage has been done and will only esculate unless he is sent to the reserves untill the january transfer window… There really is no other way around in now i’m afraid and we all wait with baited breath for a staement from our club manager or official website.
Who sould be made captain though? The obvious choices are Toure, Almunia, Clichy or Fabregas… Almunia is a non starter for me although he’ll probably captain the side against citeh… Toure doesn’t look indispensible and out of form and clichy and fabregas are a little, well, young although they both qualify on merit alone….. I’m actually going to go with Van Perise as my captain choice… I do not know how he (RVP) ended up being lambasted on here yesterday (maybe because the rumours say he was the one who went ape shit at half time against the scum), but either way he is 25 and something of an enigma with fight… The only question is can he stay fit and out of trouble? and another question is he actually a player who should/could start every game?
I don’t believe the team would meet to elect a new captain. That is the managers job in all honesty. Our season ha sturned into a farce and the chess clock above Arsene’s head has well and trul been pressed now… He has to rally the troops, flog ALL the bad influences and try to make the home stretch of the season one where we are still in contention for trophies… If he fails, he will have no one but himself to blame when he is booed off at the emirates and handed his P-45… Signings in januray are always seen as panic buys or injury cover… We’re on both sides of that fence and all i can say as an arsenal fan at the moment is that my team, captain, board and manager have made a mug of me and all arsenal supporters and i am embarrassed today to even have to try and smile when defending this nonsense to other die hard fans…..
Time is running out Arsene…. Only this time, it’s for you!
November 21, 2008 at 22:43
Could this man be our saviour
http://img.timeinc.net/time/2007/top_10_photos/quotes_ahmadinejad.jpg
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/80260131.jpg
November 21, 2008 at 22:44
I get what you are saying there Avenell regarding wanting to do things the right way regarding finance, but on the other hand do you then think it is acceptable to charge the most money in world football to watch a team that can only really hope to finish 4th?
I still dont even understand how there is no money for player investment, jesus we are in credit during Wenger’s tenure.
I dont want to know everything that is going on but I would like a bit more honesty and clarity.
November 21, 2008 at 22:47
thanks lads, good info!
this could implode on us big time, nothing like a backs to the wall win! however, perhaps we used that up against the scum – i hope not!
not sure whether ill watch tonights game, staying up until 2am just to see shite results like last weeks villa game is wasting my time! however i love the arsenal and i dare say i will have to watch!
November 21, 2008 at 22:48
Well Arsenal.com has just been updated but there is nothing on the Gallas Story……..Same old Arsenal always putting their head in the Sand
November 21, 2008 at 22:49
Evo, welcome back. You will watch the game . . . it’s in your blood. Hey, I was at the game, and I was in shock. I had to muster up all I could to belt some songs out. It was painful watching the players hang their heads. Truly painful.
November 21, 2008 at 22:50
So does anyone think Gallas will ever pull on an Arsenal Shirt again?
November 21, 2008 at 22:51
if wenger has any marbles left, he seriously cannot let him surely, after all this nonsense….. But in football, more so than life infact, NOTHING would suprise me…
November 21, 2008 at 22:51
Patt, I doubt that Wegner would say anything before the game. I bet you he is staving off the comments until after Saturday.
At this point, he is probably working on damage control. The captaincy order goes Gallas, Toure, and then Almunia. If Toure starts, he will wear the armband for the game, and if Gallas is really gone, then most likely Toure will have it for the rest of the season.
They decide on this stuff at the beginning of the season. We did the same thing when I used to play in school.
November 21, 2008 at 22:52
I think he will be given a free transfer in Jan.
November 21, 2008 at 22:53
ReVela is right. Anything is possible in today’s game.
November 21, 2008 at 22:54
I think Cesc will get it. I think Toure will be by-passed
It is now time for a Toure Djourou partnership now. Give them four weeks and Wenger will be convinced that he does not need to buy a CB in Jan
November 21, 2008 at 22:54
I think the same. He is Paris St. Germain bound.
November 21, 2008 at 22:54
Pat. Would you rather pay £100pounds a ticket or pay £75.00 and the club have to borrow an extra £75.00 from a bank every game for every person?
That is what Chelsea and Man U are doing, then they have to service those debts, Man U pay £50 million a year in interest.
Patience 1 or 2 more years..
November 21, 2008 at 22:55
Patt, you feel good with that pairing? What is Arsene going to do with Silvestre? I bet you it’s Silvestre and Djourou on Saturday.
November 21, 2008 at 22:55
Pat
Like the old Shakespears Sister song
“he’s history”
November 21, 2008 at 22:55
Avenell
What if we fail to be in the top 4 for the next 2 seasons? If our board will see many empty seats at the Emirates, it will be a wake up call for them. I just want to see a little bit of ambition. I’m not talking about 3 players for 100 milion pounds. I’m talking about ambition. And fighting with Villa for 4th spot isn’t something You can call ambition. If we end up as mediocre team do You honestly tel me, that Villa’s of this world will be prefering to play for us?
November 21, 2008 at 22:56
thanks Maryland – im sure ill watch!
so who will play in midfield today? you think it will be nasri-diaby-denilson-someone?
November 21, 2008 at 22:57
Then if that is the case Avenell then we should not have moved in the 1st place as we obviously could not afford it
November 21, 2008 at 22:57
A classic on Arse.com – Wenger: mental resolve needed for title tilt.
It will be very interesting to hear Wenger’s interview after the game tomorrow – especially if we lose.
November 21, 2008 at 22:57
Avenell, that is sound financial advice. The problem is that the bulk of us (me included) want trophies. Since I don’t see us winning the league, if we can pay off our debts, stay in the top 4, and win the FA Cup or the CL, then I think that Arsene got it right. If we win nothing . . . well, where do we go from here?
The other question is whether or not we would be debt free in 2 years? I thought that we were on a 20 year loan? Geoff would know since he is a shareholder. Just some food for thought.
It says in the Bible . . . the debter is slave to the lender . . . aint that the truth.
November 21, 2008 at 22:58
Paulinho, I can’t take another loss . . . seriously, I won’t make it.
November 21, 2008 at 22:59
Well Said Maciek, completely agree with that
Remember it was the board that said we were moving to pay the best wages and buy the best players and compete at the highest level.
Oh and I would rather pay £30 a ticket
November 21, 2008 at 22:59
I am off to dinner. Talk with you all in the AM.
November 21, 2008 at 23:00
agreed – a win today is the minimum. RVP surely should bag some goals today if he scored 2 midweek, is that right? by mate text me to tell me he bagged 2 for holland?
November 21, 2008 at 23:01
How many of you read the Roy Keane statement where he lambasted all the pundits and the likes of SkySports who use the media to whip up unknowing fans into a frenzy, there’s problems at our club but either people lack the vocabularly or they’re just using the same words that Skysports have fed into them.
This is a crisis ? Arsenal are in turmoil ? Is there any way back from this disaster to end all disasters ?! Word’s, paragraphs, whole essays and blogs devoted to exultations of the impending apocalytic dooooooom.
November 21, 2008 at 23:01
Maciek we have a waiting list of 46,000 for season tickets. Some of that is due to the way Arsene has got Arsenal playing.
This year we should be debt free apart from a fixed rate loan, If Wenger doesn’t deliver in the next year or so then your right out him. but not just yet..
November 21, 2008 at 23:04
Why do all these non arsenal mugs have to throw in their twopenny to the debate like their opinion even counts for shit!!!! Tony Gale, Harry Redknapp etc Fuck off you cnuts!!!
Just seen nige’s interview on sky and he pretty much does a good job of sitting on the fence whilst reiterating that dirty landry should not be aiired in public…
The more i read, think and debate this article the more i envisage football on a whole becoming a fucking big top circus with sweaty rag newspapers the blow by blow rundown of entertainment….
I thought i’d would get better after the whole real madrid galactico break up… Goes to show 1 thing,,, The media (internet, papers, t.v) are having waaaay too much of an influence on proceedings of this nature….
November 21, 2008 at 23:04
Sad fact of it is we couldn’t afford to stay at Highbury either, if we were barely competing with the likes of United back then, we were never going to suddenly start competing when they started spending 60 million a season on players.
The only that would have happened was if everyone at the stadium suddenly started shelling 3 or 4 times the ticket prices they were used to.
November 21, 2008 at 23:07
And that is where we all differ Avenell. We all have a patience threshold and longer this continues the more the fans will turn against him.
I agree that Wenger has created that waiting list, but
We have a waiting list of that number not because of how we are currently playing, it is because of how we were playing between 98 and 04. Since then we have been decline. Sure there has been pretty football, but dont kid yourself, we picked a lot of new fans whilst we were winning things and that is what new fans are drawn to. Those levels will be in decline now.
I remember being able to pitch up at Highbury back in 95 and buy a ticket in the portacabin to the side of the North Bank.
November 21, 2008 at 23:07
ReVELAtion – It is a circus, and you’re exactly right look at the amount of power the likes of SkySports can exert, no statement has come out from Arsenal over what’s to happen with Gallas but already the media has got everyone talking about who should be the next Captain and where Gallas will end up in January, it’s taken about 24 hours for all of this to come about.
November 21, 2008 at 23:11
Ok. Thanks for Your attention guys. Happy weekend. All the best and till tomorrow……today(LOL).
Best wishes, and nighty night!
P.S. I will go for 2:1 to the Arsenal (Robinhio, Song X2). Just mark my words.
November 21, 2008 at 23:12
Reva
If Gallas had not ave gone public, those pundits wouldn’t even be talking.
November 21, 2008 at 23:12
Dont get me wrong I am please we moved to a new stadium, I am just sick of the propaganda machine, it is a sad state of affairs.
As mentioned before, the move was to be able to compete, they promised it. We would be the best team in the world and saturdays line up would be like an All-star game.
Then at the end of every season Wenger admits where we are lacking, promises the world on signings (Conveniently at Renewel time when I have to pay another £30 for a poxy carboard box with a DVD and a book in it) and never delivers and then they rub our noses in it by saying the money is there over and over again.
we are a cash cow and we are the muppets being milked.
November 21, 2008 at 23:14
The best way to shut up the “outsiders” or press/media is to win. Then the silence from them will be deafening
November 21, 2008 at 23:16
I personally dont give a shit about all the pundits coming out and stating their opinion about who should be the next captain.
This is potentially the major news story of Arsenal’s Season and in lieu of the club actually releasing a statement the speculation will only continue.
November 21, 2008 at 23:17
Pat I know we want to win things, but no one knows where this financial crisis will end.
I don’t think no other club could move grounds like we have, and stayed in the top 4 and done it within the restictions of London..
November 21, 2008 at 23:17
basically we can all choose to believe skysports and their interviews with mugs and mug pundits… or not…. But untill i see an official club statement or interview with our manager, nothing has changed in my opinion besides the fact that our captain aired our dirty laundry in public…. AND that is the thing i can’t calm down about… Some “fan” even had the nerve to e-mail in becuase he pays all this money to go to games he should have the right to know what is going on behind the scenes in the dressing room… Well all i can say to that is Vieira was known as “le grand sausison” which in english translates as the giant sausage… There’s some dressing room info for you… All you really should be concerned about is what happens on the pitch! And what i am seeing right now, does not agree!
November 21, 2008 at 23:18
PattheGooner – What’s happened since we decided to more to the Emirates, Abramovich has come into English football and turnd it on it’s head, how the hell do you counter that ? Change the board, the manager, bring in tens of millions worth of new players and then what we’re just about competing again ? It’d still take years to come about.
Do you really pay all that money just to turn up in May to watch someone lift a piece of silverware ? Is there nothing else at all that you enjoy from a game ?!
November 21, 2008 at 23:18
Pat
releasing well thought out official statements by The Club i can handle, its the constant whinging when something doesn’t quite go right for Wenger & now gallas, that is the worry.
November 21, 2008 at 23:21
I hate to say it, being half french aswell doesn’t help, but what do you expect when you have french people in charge? Alot of fucking whinging!
November 21, 2008 at 23:23
if only we could muster up one of them no one likes us everyone is against us so fuck them all mentalitys in our team,george graham was the master at the everyones aginst us speech
November 21, 2008 at 23:23
Take this the right way all those English Arsenal supporters, but as an Australian I don’t like, don’t expect & well will not accept losing. And if things don’t improve serious decisions/actions are made until things do improve.
In a nut shell anyone who says its sport for sports sake live in a culture of being 2nd best, Thats why we beat England 90% of the time in most sports, Chamone
November 21, 2008 at 23:24
they dont need a statement,wenger has work to do preparing the team,whats a statement for? how does a statement help a team win games?
November 21, 2008 at 23:25
lol gnarley you cheeky git!!! I can’t take an asrenal enema one end and pom bashing the other
November 21, 2008 at 23:25
Keyser
Come on, Abramovich was there before the stadium.
I am not asking for the club to spend 200m.
Facts
1) We all know where we are short
2) We have Money
3) We could have Strengthened
4) If we had Strengthened we would be in a better position
All I fucking want is for us to compete. Only one club can win it and I know that but I want us to be in the mix come May and I know that if Wenger had invested a little more each season without having to bankrupt us then we would not be in this position. Hell we would probably be in more money from merchandising and Competition money..
i enjoy a lot from the game but I get fucking frustrated when I see the club I love being managed and run in a fucking recklass manner…
November 21, 2008 at 23:25
gnarley,neighbours is on channel 5 now and hollyoaks has better birds
November 21, 2008 at 23:26
Reva
everyone whinges, its the going public & whinging that is the problem. Wenger should just whinge to Mrs Wenger, who will then say “Its alright Arsene, have a narce cup of le tea & you will feel much better”
November 21, 2008 at 23:27
I think arsene will shut up shop and avoid questions… All that is certain is that gallas wont play on saturday and whoever is captain is not the confirmed choice untill arsene can call on a first choice 11 with all supposedly new captain candidates fit and/or playing
November 21, 2008 at 23:27
arsenal is not being run in a reckless manner,borrowing 500 mill off abramovich is reckless my friend
November 21, 2008 at 23:27
change tea for a decafe latte and croissant and we’ll agree
November 21, 2008 at 23:27
Aussie struggling against the Kiwis at the Gabba. Things not looking good for Ponting
November 21, 2008 at 23:28
bergkamp, Home and Away is a better representation of the female form.
November 21, 2008 at 23:29
bergy
Pedro will tell you that Home & Away has the best shiellas. But you’ll have to take his word coz I don’t watch either. Generation Y is so boring
November 21, 2008 at 23:29
Gnarley you are on the nose there.
I am English and I hate the English Trait of so easily accepting 2nd place (if not 4th).
If this was a small story Bergkamp I would agree with you, but this is huge,
He has a job to prepare the team, but the club has a loyalty to its fans and shareholders. They should have made a statement in my view. I dont think it will affect the game tomorrow, the Players will already be affected by it. but how will 2000 travelling gooners feel by it.
November 21, 2008 at 23:30
Paulinho
We will win that in a canter. You don’t know the Gabba pitch. Even pommy bowlers could get a wicket on it
November 21, 2008 at 23:30
Oh how we loved alf stewart back in the early 90’s…
Get out me shop ya flamin’ mongrel
……………………….. flamin’ gallah
……………………….. flamin’ ya-hoo’
November 21, 2008 at 23:31
pat the gooner its not huge,its only as huge as you make it,the truth about arsenal is weve lost gallas,wow,might be for the best,we havent had a captain since viera left just a player wearing the armband,its for the greater good!
November 21, 2008 at 23:31
I think running the risk of not finishin 4th because you continue to gamble on a formula that is not working is recklass my friend
November 21, 2008 at 23:32
pat don’t you mean on the ball. Gawd I’d better go & have a shower if you can smell me from over there
November 21, 2008 at 23:33
the club doesnt have to be loyal to the fans,the club doesnt ask anyone to support it,thats optional,the club does not need to release statements or do anything,we all know gallas is gone,so the club should release a ststement sayin what exactly?? we dropped gallas for being a pratt?? is that the kind of thing u need them to say??
November 21, 2008 at 23:33
Arsenal have been talking of moving since the mid 90’s.. Kings Cross, renting Wembley etc so before Abramovich..
Fizman and other shareholders have up to £150 million pounds each tied up in our club.. They have put there money where there mouth is and it is in there’s and Arsenals long term interest for this club to be successful so I have to respect there views..
November 21, 2008 at 23:33
thin line between recklessness and genius… and oh how the mighty have fallen to one knee… All it needs is a “cesc fucking off to spain story” from the sun again in the next couple of days to really put arsene on the canvas
November 21, 2008 at 23:33
You dont think losing the club captain be it by resignation or sacking is not a huge story?
I did not say it wasn’t for the best but it is still a huge story.
November 21, 2008 at 23:34
Gnarley what happenend in the olympics? and the rugby? must have been hard for you. Of course we all want to win but, if it really doesn’t matter how you win as long as you win I wouldn’t bother watching personally I’d just go to highbury corner and watch the parade in may. But that doesn’t mean coming second is ok. It obviously hurts. It was a great wind up beating the mancs in the fa cup final on pens but I still found it embarrassing how we played.
November 21, 2008 at 23:34
pat the gooner,the club is all about making money,it costs money to build a squad that wins the league,so its more cost effective not to spend the money and just qualify for the champions league,the only way arsenal will spend the money required is if their is a chance they will fall out of contention for the CL league,the alarm bells will ring then
November 21, 2008 at 23:35
Paulinho
And while on the subject of cricket (Geoffs not here so we can mention it) I see the south african saviour KP honeymoon period is over. Down 3-0 after 3 games
November 21, 2008 at 23:36
club captain,do you really rate gallas as a captain?? he was given the armband in hope he wouldnt make outbursts,not because of his desire to lead by example
November 21, 2008 at 23:36
gnarley, thanks for reminding me being an english arsenal and general sports fan sucks pretty hard at the moment
November 21, 2008 at 23:36
GM
We just trounced your rugby teams, both Rah Rah & Thugby League.
November 21, 2008 at 23:37
PattheGooner – None of those are certainties unless you have a time machine, when do you think we decided to build a new stadium ? We’ve been looking to extend Highbury for years and years on end, you don’t factor Abramovich into and even if you do you realise that it’s going to take a few years to make the transition.
The reality is that our squad in terms or spending power and worth doesn’t come close to what Chelsea or United have thats not because we’ve been cheated in any way it’s because simply they’ve spent far above their own means.
Againa you don’t know what would have happened, Mikel is supposedly showing form that has people reminiscing of the days of Vieira that’s the backup they have in a position where they’ve strengthed to the tne of 40 odd million, one Chelsea player in our team say Essien would make a huge difference, one Arsenal player in theirs would just be another player, yet still Wenger keeps us going.
That isn’t fucking reckless thats almost the opposite it’s almost too cautious.
Chelsea can afford to take 30 million punts on players like Schevchenko we can’t, that’s the simple fact of it all, I want us to Challenge I want Wenger to bring in a couple of players but I’m not going to call it reckless if he chooses not to.
Hopefully he’ll spend some of that money soon and if not there’s plenty of players that will want to take up the mantle from the reserves.
November 21, 2008 at 23:37
Cricket is dead
November 21, 2008 at 23:37
weren’t we talking about gallas lol :p
November 21, 2008 at 23:37
gallas might not have even lost the captains armband,he might be just rested for the weekend and told to cool off,so why would they release a statement without thinking it over?? what if we lose two centre halfs to injury against city?? we might have to beg gallas to remain captain
November 21, 2008 at 23:39
Olympics. I’ll give you that, we had our worst olympics in 20 years & England, scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland had their best in 20 years, & we won one less medal. Damn!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 23:39
I was thinking about the world cup gnarly ( the only rugby match I’ve ever watched. Didn’t have a clue what was going on)
November 21, 2008 at 23:39
gnarley you having a barbie mate?
November 21, 2008 at 23:39
bergkamp i highly doubt that in what must surely be a must win game to the players and manager reeling from a week of bad results and turmoil… If he (Gallas) got left out, Arsene’s cheeky vein on the right side of his forhead might have just throbbed a little…
November 21, 2008 at 23:39
GM we’ve won that twice to your once.
November 21, 2008 at 23:40
You are totally missing my point Avenell.
We have the money to invest in the playing staff and we are not doing it and I can see no logical reason why we are not doing it. I am not asking for 150m to spent in Jan. I am asking for the players that should have come in the Summer. We are gambling and we dont need to.
Bergkamp the club should release a statement telling us the TRUTH. If this is all Bullshit they should come out in support of Gallas, if it is true they should confirm it.
November 21, 2008 at 23:41
Gnarly I personally don’t give a shit about any of those things. I only care about Arsenal.
November 21, 2008 at 23:42
Thanks for educating me gnarly. I presume you mean the rugby world cup.
November 21, 2008 at 23:43
why should it tell us the truth???it doesnt owe us the truth! we just like to think it does
November 21, 2008 at 23:44
Just because it is the right thing to do
November 21, 2008 at 23:44
pat if we spend 60 mill on players an chelsea spot us an go an spend 120 mill your still gonna question the investment aint you?
November 21, 2008 at 23:44
PattheGooner – You see no logical reason ? Come on, we’re not gambling we’re doing the opposite we’re holding onto money that should be spent on the right players not punts on players just because we seem to think there is a shortage.
Everyone has a different opinion on what is missing, some say a striker, a goalie, a midfielder, a winger, we can’t afford to fuck around by buying just anyone in.
How can you look at the Carling Cup team and albeit not completely ready think that there is no future for any of them, we used to give players seasons to get it right and prepare themselves for the premiership and now we’re not ready to give them weeks.
Times have changed I’m glad we’re not taking the reckless all or nothing route and are building steadily.
November 21, 2008 at 23:45
GM
me too to be honest. Me too.
November 21, 2008 at 23:45
its not the right thing to do,its the dumb thing to do
November 21, 2008 at 23:46
By not saying anything they just bring more negativity and turmoil to the club.
November 21, 2008 at 23:46
Pat.. I do get your point … I sit on the fence and I see both sides.
I am defending Wenger because some gentleman from Poland wants him sacked and I have seen the progress Arsenal have made in the last 12 years in terms of world football and even in this country when we were equals of the Spuds etc.
and I want to win things…
But not for 1 year but for the long term….
November 21, 2008 at 23:48
2.00am start here on Fox the man city v arsenal game. I will get up to watch it. Especially with Big Johan in.
November 21, 2008 at 23:48
We have the formula 1 world champion in this country and the team that built the car..
The only thing I care about is Lewis is a Gooner!!
November 21, 2008 at 23:49
Gnarley
KP might regret playing the sanford million. It has messed up their momentum!
Is that new spinner still getting one wicket every 100 runs?
November 21, 2008 at 23:49
if you believe wenger doesnt want to win things your crazy,wenger knows the financial situation right now and he is not willing to gamble the clubs future on a few signings just for a trophy or two,he is a top manager doin something fergie wouldnt do or rafa or mourinho couldnt do,an he is doing it for the longterm future of arsenal,the greater good,if he was thinking of his own cv he would be out with the cheaque book buyin anyone
November 21, 2008 at 23:49
None of this is about the clubs finances. It is about Wenger’s desire to beat the chavs and mancs without “buying” the league. He is on a personal crusade. He almost pulled it off last year but that may have been the closest he comes I’m afraid. I always thought he could do it until recently.
November 21, 2008 at 23:49
No of course not Bergkamp, we all know that they spend as much as they want
But the moment we are not spending so they cant spend double it.
I could not give a shit how much any other club spends. I just want us to move forwards within our means instead of Wenger on some boner ego trip. He should be a CFO if his only drive is on the finance sheet
November 21, 2008 at 23:49
For the long term, I reckon Gallas should just go in january; The Club bite the bullet & use Johan, develop him. Maybe Big Phillipe might come back & partner Johan.
November 21, 2008 at 23:50
Paulinho
no every 29 runs
November 21, 2008 at 23:51
pat what negativity and turmoil?? thats all outside the club,whats insid the club is clear
November 21, 2008 at 23:52
talking of money. it will be interesting what the man city effect has on abramovich because big spending stops working when a bigger player comes along.
November 21, 2008 at 23:53
we have moved forward within our means,we chose to invest in the longterm future by building a stadium which will allow us to compete longterm eventually instead of competin short term in the team an going into administration when the team fail to win something pat
November 21, 2008 at 23:53
RVP for captain, what do you think Bergkamp? Know your a big fan!
November 21, 2008 at 23:54
What is inside the club is clear…..If it was that clear Gallas would not have said those things in the first place and his comments are borne out of the turmoil and finger pointing from all around him
I actually feel for the guy, I think he has be hung drawn and quatered.
November 21, 2008 at 23:54
well abramovish is only worth 3 billion pound now coz of the credit crunch,so will he want to pump another 500 mill into chelsea or will he ask for his other 500 mill back? thats the question
November 21, 2008 at 23:55
So you are happy with the way things are then Bergkamp?
November 21, 2008 at 23:56
pat,gallas release’s his book on monday,now whats goin on inside the club is clear to those that it effects
November 21, 2008 at 23:56
I hardly think we would go into administration by spending 16m on Alonso or 12 on Toure or even 25m on Villa.
November 21, 2008 at 23:57
things could be better,but iv seen things a whole lot worse,iv seen empty seats in a small stadium,iv seen us sittin close to the bottom 3 and our manager sayin a coke head will save us when he is released from rehab,iv seen many things pat
November 21, 2008 at 23:57
Pat I agree, But it really isn’t about the money.
November 21, 2008 at 23:58
But then you could buy Woolworths today for a quid.. so who knows what’s going on!!!!
November 21, 2008 at 23:59
lol villa would actually cost 55 million,its a risk,when you buy a 25 million pound player you sign into a contract that guarantees him probably 6 mill a year,so for 5 years thats ermmm a total 55 mill pat,you should think about things before you talk
November 21, 2008 at 23:59
PattheGooner – We supposedly had about 30 million to spend on a player or two, spending 25 million on Villa would get us how far ?!
It’s just not that simple anymore, what reason would Alonson have to leave or Yaya who turned us down, you either bid completely above the odds or the player wants to move to you in the first place.
November 22, 2008 at 00:00
So I have I Bergkamp, been though all of that.
I just think the club is not being run correctly and we could easily operate within our means and get the right players to embarras the wealth of Chavski.
That is my frustration we are close but it is like we have a limiter installed somewhere that wont let us take the final ladder
November 22, 2008 at 00:00
dont forget 25 million pound footballers earn major wages,they dont turn up an play week in week out for a can of coke
November 22, 2008 at 00:01
wenger has a wage budget,and a limit on his spending,so ermmmm forget villa he probably couldnt even afford diego forlan
November 22, 2008 at 00:01
Gallas is a victim of his own honesty. Shame. He was my favourite player. Goodbye Capi.
November 22, 2008 at 00:03
Pat ……Fizman has £150 million tied up in Arsenal why do you think he and other shareholders run Arsenal like thye do???
November 22, 2008 at 00:04
so you sign david villa for a total NET 55 mill,then cesc needs a new deal an he says ok i know,il have what villa has,then bang oh no we need a top centre half,an he wants top wages,before you know it thats 100 mill pat,and we gotta pay the stadium repayment, we will end up like leeds securing loans against ticket sale,then when we cant pay the wages we have to beg teams to take david villa off our hands for nothing as long as they pay his wages
November 22, 2008 at 00:05
Lets just bank that 30m every season. why spend it when we can pluck another inconsistent kid out of the reserves and wipe him out by playing him every week.
You dont think someone like David Villa would make a difference?
And every player has a release clause, does not mean you have to pay that much. And I am sure Villa would be on around 100k a week but we are about to offer RVP 20k less than that and he is still to consistently deliver. lets fucking sell RVP and Get Villa
Either way my point was there is money to invest in the squad and it fucking angers me that we dont invest.
November 22, 2008 at 00:05
they..
November 22, 2008 at 00:06
teams are gonna come seriously unstuck,no one spends personal money on football,these are loans,abramovich could ask for his 500 mill tommorow,chelsea would dissapear faster than a cake in a room of fat people
November 22, 2008 at 00:06
And you wont have to worry about cesc as unless we start matching these players ambitions, they wont be around to earn those contracts
November 22, 2008 at 00:07
I’m off. Enjoy the game tomorrow. Hopefully it will be a new beginning (again)
November 22, 2008 at 00:07
wherever things go wrong gallas can be heard blaming everyone, the truth about gallas is he could have left in the summer,wenger convinced him to stay,things havent gone great an now gallas is engineering his move coz he made the worng decision
November 22, 2008 at 00:08
I could not give a shit about Chelsea but he knows himself, the majority of that cash is a right off, he has not made his fortune by being a del boy trotter.
He knows he will never make a profit out of Chelsea, it is a rich mans toy. He will more likely just walk away at some point.
November 22, 2008 at 00:10
pat cesc can go to barca and fulfil his ambitions?? maybe he can,just like henry,just like viera left arsenal to fulfil his ambition of playin in a CL final,just like overmars and petit , arsenal was there before cesc an it will be there after, i remember when alan smith retired and bergkamp came along, i remember when cesc came into the team an ashley cole decided to leave because he felt arsenal had no ambition showin faith in a kid
November 22, 2008 at 00:10
Pat I give a shit about chelsea. I’d love to see them go down the shitter!!
November 22, 2008 at 00:11
PatheGooner – So it’s just about making a dfference now not winning trophies or ending the season with silverware ? Or are you saying David Villa is THE difference between us winning and not winning something.
If you just want some new players to come in, why wouldn’t you trust Wenger to find the players to make those differences.
How can you not look at Vela, Wilshire, Ramsey, Coquelin and think these players couldn’t make that difference.
Villa is no Henry, he needs a team behind him, his release clause is probably 100 million, we need a settled team and one with less inconsistentcies before we think about anything else.
Van Persie hasn’t signed a contract and Villa will want more than he is getting now or he would’ve left already, our highest paid player is Gallas, do we change everything to accomadate one player ?!
November 22, 2008 at 00:12
pat your wrong,abramovich can take that money back from chelsea at any momet,he went from being worth nearly 20 bill to 3 mill in the space between now an the start of the credit crunch,500 mill is not chump change to rom any more,he owned a hockey team an sent them into admin the exact same way by askin for his money back
November 22, 2008 at 00:13
Liverpool need to find £200 mill before January or they are skint and the banks call the money in..
Chelsea have laid off the scouting systaem and they want to charge for the chips at the training ground.
Man U owe £700 million and it is tied up in uncontrollable hedge funds.
We need to be patient we will come out on top, we mustn’t chuck our toys out because of a couple of years without a bit of silver which to me means I can say to my Spud mates we have won something.
November 22, 2008 at 00:14
3 bill
November 22, 2008 at 00:15
man uniteds loans are secured against ticket sales as well, an ticket sales pay the wage bill
November 22, 2008 at 00:15
arsenal could be the only team in the top four able to make a signing soon
November 22, 2008 at 00:18
these businessmen love one thing,and thats money, red rom showed interest in arsenal before chelsea,he backed down because of the costs of the stadium project,but it wouldnt have been a bad investment,a profitable club,look at chelsea abramovich has to write a cheaque for 60 mill a year to cover the rest of the wage bill coz ticket sales wont
November 22, 2008 at 00:18
How can he take the money at any moment? it is not available, the funds are all tied up in players and the Stadium and Hotel Complex, so to make his money back, he would need to sell them and that would not happen over night.
Dont get me wrong I fully expect the Chavski Bubble to burst, but I think it is more likely that they will find themselves in a position where they cant pay the wages.
Keyser, Why wouldn’t I trust Wenger to find the right players? because he seems to have lost his knack to do so.
Could David Villa be the difference between us winning us something or not, maybe but not by not replacing the players that left in the last few years has been the difference between us CHALLENGING or as it has turned out not.
November 22, 2008 at 00:20
he could sell the training ground pat,he could make the club sell all its players and its stadium,chelsea could be nothing more than a badge if rom wants his investment back
November 22, 2008 at 00:21
If Abramovich walks away from his £500 million pound debt Chelsea will still fall because they cannot pay there overheads and would have to sell there assets like Leeds Utd..
November 22, 2008 at 00:21
Liverpool will be ok, DIC are just biding their time and will get the club at the price they are willing to pay. The likes of Man Ure and Liverpool will always have the world standing to attract wealthy enough investors or sugar daddies.
Likewise Man Ure will always sell out. they have the success and player draw to bring the crowds in.
November 22, 2008 at 00:22
david villa wouldnt be the difference,the 30 mill we could spend on villa would be better spent on a proper centre half
November 22, 2008 at 00:23
build from the back,when your hard to score against you dont lose many games
November 22, 2008 at 00:23
And that is what I think will eventually happen Avenell. I dont think Chelsea are a big enough attraction world wide, despite recent success their fan base is still lower than the Spuds
November 22, 2008 at 00:24
Chelesa don’t own there ground.. it’s owned by..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Pitch_Owners
November 22, 2008 at 00:25
man ure have to make a payment every 10 years, when fergie retires they might stop winning,will they trust another manager to keep mounting debts higher and higher?
November 22, 2008 at 00:26
PattheGooner – Lost the knack, we came third last year with a squad that cost a fraction of the two teams that finished above us, he hasn’t lost the knack we’re just asking him to perform complete miracles, all this has shown is he is human.
Football’s changed you can’t scout players from Milan’s B-team and turn them into World beaters, you have to get them a lot earlier like Clichy or Coquelin from second Division french clubs.
Vela from Mexico, tapping into African or American markets where there isn’t the same sort of transparency.
Villa is a good player he will score goals but we need a team behind him and it’s just that bit harder to grow and keep hold of a team but I’d trust Wenger to find a way.
November 22, 2008 at 00:27
Pat Man U ’s debts are costing £50 million a year how many years before enough is enough?
November 22, 2008 at 00:27
and man city dont own their ground either
November 22, 2008 at 00:29
half of chelseas fans went off an supported man city for a couple weeks,they returned to chelsea when the robinho novelty wore off but they will return to city if they spend big
November 22, 2008 at 00:29
If it’s owned by the goverment I bet the arabs coud buy it though!
November 22, 2008 at 00:30
them guys who bought man united loaned the whole amount,they dont even have the money to pay the banks back so they are gonna use the turn over of man united
November 22, 2008 at 00:30
man citys ground is owned by the council
November 22, 2008 at 00:31
I just think that if you put Man Ure up for sale tomorrow, even in the credit crunch there would be takers…..
Keyser it has been fun bloggin with you but the proof is in the pudding, we are in a ground hog season where we are full of players that will deliver in two years time and it is not working. We will probably be on here in two years time having the same debate.
November 22, 2008 at 00:32
liverpools new stadium is frozen at the moment,all the tools have been put down because they cant raise the first 20 mill to pay for the steel,so just maybe u will see a few players headed for the exit,or maybe one valuable player
November 22, 2008 at 00:32
Who is the council run by?
November 22, 2008 at 00:33
well its the council in manchester,i guess the arabs can buy it,but i thought they would have by now,seen as 100 million for the stadium is less than what they would spend on a player
November 22, 2008 at 00:35
i mean why would they buy city??avanell,maybe because their a 100 million cheaper and no stadium to upkeep
November 22, 2008 at 00:35
You wont Bergkamp, DIC will buy Liverpool and the stadium will be built. The Yanks will have to cut their losses. I dont see any major players leaving, but you may see the fringe players like Pennant and hopefully Alonso go in Jan if it is not done by then
November 22, 2008 at 00:36
who said no expense spared ?
November 22, 2008 at 00:37
dic wont buy liverpool,why buy into a non profitable organisation when the arabs up the road can blow u out the water every time the transfer window opens,so add no profit to no glory,billionaires will not be interested in football now unless they can challege the abou diaby group financially
November 22, 2008 at 00:38
Right that is me for the night, good chatting with you
3 points tomorrow, I think we will win an open game 3-2
November 22, 2008 at 00:38
Everton and the dippers are going to stadium share, how embarrassing.
purple seats..
November 22, 2008 at 00:39
the arsenal board care for arsenal,these billionaires are on personal power trips,watch when they get bored
November 22, 2008 at 00:39
3-2 sounds good
November 22, 2008 at 00:40
They are not doing it for profit Bergkamp,
These guys already have a mass money making tree. Liverpool and Football is a passion for them and they will want the challenge of outdoing each other.
DIC will buy Liverpool.
November 22, 2008 at 00:40
Goodnight Pat!
November 22, 2008 at 00:41
Yep and I agree with that, they will get bored at some point.
November 22, 2008 at 00:41
Right that really is me, night all
November 22, 2008 at 00:50
damn im falling asleep,well all i know is i want arsenal to be succesful for hundreds of years after im gone and dead,an hopefully that aint for a while yet,so i hope our plan is a long term plan an starts to become effective soon
November 22, 2008 at 00:52
i think dic would struggle to mess with rom,they are haggling with two broke americans, they will be scared of what man citys owners might do
November 22, 2008 at 00:53
clubs should operate withing their own means,all this sugar daddy business is lame to me,i dont see any glory in anything chelsea have won
November 22, 2008 at 00:57
oh dear just read another article on gallas ,he sounds like an old war veteran,a young player in the france squad told him dont raise his voice at him and willy told him respect his elders, a 20 year old,either nasri or benzema
“Faced with his contempt, I raised my voice. The young player said: ‘Lower your voice, speak less loudly’.
“I replied: ‘How are you speaking to me? Who do you think you are? You are only 20 years old. I am not your friend.
“He said: ‘Me neither, I am not your friend’.”
November 22, 2008 at 00:58
Bergkamp I didn’t agree with a few things you said earlier but for the last few hours you have talked nothing but sense.. Hope to talk to you soon goodnite mate!!
November 22, 2008 at 00:58
gallas needs to act his age,he deserves no respect,he was a bench warmer when chelsea were winning stuff and you would think he was the main man the way he talks, his book wont sell any where near perry groves
November 22, 2008 at 01:00
avanell have a good weekend ,hopefully by sunday we will even be watching match of the day 2 to catch another glimpse of the wenger boys
November 22, 2008 at 01:02
anyone going to the game?
November 22, 2008 at 01:09
bergkamp
is this a personal vendetta ? V’s gallas ?
your starting to sound like me V ade .. only difference is gallas at least is semi decent !
and currently working well with silvestre .
He is just talking publically now because he is captain ..
Because the fans need answers ..
because he isn’t going to be responsible entirely for the teams mistakes when he has pointed them out and told them to dig deep !
He has scored important goals this season …
and i will back him as he isn’t afraid to tell it how it is !
i would blame the young ones who are giving him shit and undermining his position !
November 22, 2008 at 01:12
its also refreshing to hear someone talk about demanding more instead of being happy with 4th !
you can see he has a winning mentality , and he wont accept 2nd best ..
some might have a problem with him going publically , but he knows
that gets results , look at the shit wenger got prior to the MAN U game .
pundits – managers where righting us off publically , and you saw the team responce to that !
he is doing no different !
November 22, 2008 at 01:18
Ethan, didnt you hear the news?
November 22, 2008 at 01:23
no .. been off the grid since yesterday ..
had a god amm house to paint !
why what happened ?
November 22, 2008 at 01:28
lol ethan is not in the know. im ganna enjoy this. Stu i leave it to you
November 22, 2008 at 01:34
yeah stu i just read about it !
i think the club are over reacting ..
and PHW saying his 2 pences worth !
typical he would want to not go public isnt it !
everything is ’secret squirrel’ with our club and its running’s !
cesc for captain … what a fatal mistake that would be , he is already prefroming badly !
we would be burying his career if we heaped that pressure on him too !
im sure cesc would turn it down … hes off like gallas !!!
i fucking said this would happen if we had another trophy less year !
a mass exodus !
this all is arsene’s fault .. players are coming to the club based on our former glories !
and we are not living upto the hype !
soon the fans will follow suit !
November 22, 2008 at 01:43
yeah i wouldnt make Cesc Captain either. he needs to be free to play his game. and not worrie about ralllying the team and all that other captain stuff.
November 22, 2008 at 01:43
raif
had to paint a bloody house ! as we have potential buyers coming for viewing on Sunday ..
but dont worry up up to date with it now ..
cant say im surprised to see arsene’s methods, the club is based on lies and untruths all season and beyond ,
when gallas gives the public a taste of why we are in the shit he is burned like jesus on the cross !
its nothing different to yesterday .. i still agree with him giving the club a shake up !
SOMETHING GOOD MIGHT COME FROM IT !
so he’s not the captain now ?! .. I think most of us knew he would end up getting the boot if not now by the end of the season .. Captain wise …
And talks of him quitting , well so would i … last i looked he was a football player , not a kindy teacher ..
November 22, 2008 at 01:58
Ethan.
hope the painting goes ok in time for Sunday and the viewing its self.
what Gallas has said is not wrong. his right to in what his saying. i guess the way his gone about it is the wrong way,
November 22, 2008 at 02:15
raif
maybe he did go about it the wrong way …
but i think over all, the wound needs to be exposed , and cleaned before it can heal !
i think its good for someone at the club to leak the reasons for failure ..
at least you can heal , and learn from it .. it exposes RVP and theo , they might be forced to make amends for there actions ..
November 22, 2008 at 02:28
Ethan.
exactly ethan. thats what im thinking aswell. as a result Gallas is the Sacrifice for the Healing process to start.
i would like to know why RvP and Theo are not getting on or why they started to not like one and other and so on. and the big Question is. how long this has been going on for?
this season? last season? or the season before? who knows at this point. but Wenger seriously needs to start bashing heads. and not just gallas.
November 22, 2008 at 03:24
Yes we could implode but on the other side of the coin, having Gallas demoted/gone, it could turn the team into a team (like when TH14 left).
November 22, 2008 at 04:05
raif
it happened 1/2 time during the spurs game ..
it would be good to watch the 1st half again ..
it might hi-lite something ..
my guess is RVP wants to be fed the ball .. and theo would rather run with it until he is dispossessed .. i seem to remember theo beating his man a fair bit that game ..
maybe RVP told theo he had several perfect chances to pass off to him .. yet failed to do so ..
who really knows .. but it seems all our attacking players have problems .. ade hates bends and theo hates RVP …
just sack the lot and get in some professionals .. its looking more like a school ground than a top flight football team ..
November 22, 2008 at 04:08
AR
i say we have already qualified as ‘ imploding ‘
things will remain the same or get better ..
when you look at it from that perspective , things are looking more optimistic than before .
I can only see good coming from this ..
November 22, 2008 at 04:21
Yeah i guess E-gunn. Hopefully this is the kick up the arse that the team (and AW!!) needs.
November 22, 2008 at 04:45
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/84366-william-gallas-loses-captaincy-fans-want-cesc-fabregas-to-replace-him
If this is true, then only good can come out of it. Cesc would make a good long term Captain & January is only around the corner.
I wonder how much gallas can be blamed for JD20 not getting a game.
If you cast your mind back to the 1st half of the Spuds game you will note gallas running forward, through the middle a lot, doing what Cesc usually does. That would have to fuck you by the 88th minute, if you know where I’m coming from. But AW never subs Gallas ever.
November 22, 2008 at 04:49
Gallas is a decent center back, not a tinge of leadership in him.
I want cesc to be captain,
November 22, 2008 at 05:29
ikon
there is no doubt he is that, but I’m not sure gallas would stay if not captain. If he does stay on, not as captain, it would go along way in showing the man has a spine. Coz he would be handy, next to Johan
November 22, 2008 at 05:55
gnarley i find myself in a situation where it is hard to support my team, not because of the results, but the effort and attitude.
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=S1q36TtB5fo&NR=1
last season, I was baffled and hurt when Gilberto was stripped of captaincy. Now Gallas does this and he is ASKED TO STEP DOWN????? wat the hell.
I can say that in the current crop, only few players love playing for the club… fabregas, Eboue, Toure, and Simpson. I can think of no one else. May be Ramsey and Wilshere
But its hard to digest what has wenger done letting go of faithful players and now look what we are left with Gallas, RVP, Ade, Song.
Jens was mad …yes, but he had the qualities to moan about. Almunia doesnt come even a close 2nd. Jens was a great goalie.
I really miss those days, last season some awesome games that we saw, bolton away for example and others which we lost, not one moment I felt as depressing as some of the results this season.
I hope the young guns step up and lift everyone at the club. I think they can. It just needs Wenger “not to ” mess up.
November 22, 2008 at 07:45
You guys need to read my post this morning then!
November 22, 2008 at 07:53
Well even my father in law who is sport illiterate has heard on Newsradio that Arsenal has stood down its Captain & replaced him with “some 21 year old”.
November 22, 2008 at 07:54
Evening/Morning Geoff
So its definitely happened then?
November 22, 2008 at 07:55
Geoff we read your post every morning/evening
November 22, 2008 at 08:01
Gnarley, nothings happened yet, my post today is revolutionary and will be read, you’ll like it a lot but it won’t go up for an hour, it’s on a timer.
November 22, 2008 at 08:09
See you then
November 22, 2008 at 08:32
November 22, 2008 at 08:34
November 22, 2008 at 08:35
=)
November 22, 2008 at 08:36
November 22, 2008 at 08:37
November 22, 2008 at 08:38
:S :$
November 22, 2008 at 08:46
Spurdozer I don’t understand the code?
November 22, 2008 at 10:22
MAKE ME THE CAPTAIN!