Yesterday Arsene Wenger told the shareholders that the press and the supporters aren’t supporting the team enough, give me a break Arsene, we have stuck by your baby experiment for 4 years now and still turn up in our droves, we still buy the shirts, we still sign up to the Arsenal channel and we’ll always love the Arsenal, whether you’re the manager or not, please don’t tell us we’re not good enough. This is what he said.
‘I believe this team needs a strong guide to go through difficult periods, because at the moment I do not feel that, either from the media or our supporters, this team gets the support that it deserves.
‘I want to be that guide and I want to get this team to deliver not next year, but this year.”
Meanwhile, Wenger has hinted that he could reinforce his squad with signings in the January transfer window.
‘We want to win at the end of the season and if we feel that signings are needed in January to accomplish this, we will do so’
Have you got any idea how much we pay to watch our team Arsene, you earn shed loads, we pay for that, at least respect us and don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Out of interest I wonder has he ever paid for a ticket to watch Arsenal, bought a shirt or subscribed to a pay channel, I bet the answer is no, and he’s telling us we’re bad supporters!
You say we’ll buy if we need to in order to win something, we’ve needed to buy a centre back since Sol Campbell and Tony Adams left so why haven’t you bought already? Why wait till January?
I love this team, I love the way we play, I even love the boss, Arsene Wenger, but please, please don’t tell us we don’t support our team enough, I’ve had emails from every manc, spud and chav I know, taking the piss out of what you said, so thanks for that, but do us all a favour, start winning trophies and lay off us.
If you seriously want to win the league, stop playing the shit players you stubbornly keep picking and play those your unsupporting supporters know will do the job.
Finally if you want atmosphere then tell the useless stewards to shut the fuck up and stop telling us to sit down and be quiet.
Maybe then we’ll win the league again
Le Grove is now smart phone compatible!
Pedro
Geoff
October 24, 2008 at 09:10
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October 24, 2008 at 09:11
on a roll a baby
October 24, 2008 at 09:12
I’m the only one to vote
October 24, 2008 at 09:13
Off to work though. (read the post)
October 24, 2008 at 09:13
bronze?
October 24, 2008 at 09:13
Obviously franchise & I voted yes
October 24, 2008 at 09:14
Who#s the fence sitting liberal democrat?
October 24, 2008 at 09:14
so it was you goonermichael & me
October 24, 2008 at 09:14
Guys u need to watch this Quality
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QEm028lKA
October 24, 2008 at 09:14
I voted yes so 1 of you didn’t
October 24, 2008 at 09:15
Great post Geoff…
It’s a bit like, ‘let them eat cake’!
It sounds like Wenger is getting more and more out of touch with reality. He should investigate why they ground is quiet before putting his foot in it big time.
Did anyone here go? Were there any other tasty morsels?
Rosicky out till Xmas! haha!
Oh… and the Spuds lost again! haha!
October 24, 2008 at 09:16
I think I might start a JD20 campaign with Arsenal.com under the guise of Le Grove. Hey the worst they can do is get so sick of me annoying them that they play Johan just to shut me up
October 24, 2008 at 09:16
Did you get a letter Gnarley?
October 24, 2008 at 09:17
i think the reason the fans are a little frustrated in the home games is that we can all see the areas of the team the boss should have improved. If we had martin laursen and xabi alosno instead of denilson and song i would concnetrate on cheering when we are 1-0 to everton! instead i’m thinking why didint he buy some quality and experience….but that may just be me.
October 24, 2008 at 09:18
The iceman cometh…..as in DB10….is gonna join backroom staff….
October 24, 2008 at 09:18
Pedro I did.
Dear George,
Thank you for your email to the Club.
Please be aware that Mr Wenger has included Johan Djourou in most squads so far in our 2008/2009 season and has a lot of faith in his skills. Djourou is once again in the squad for tonight’s Champions League match against Fenerbahce.
Kind regards,
Felicity George
Communications Department
Arsenal Football Club
October 24, 2008 at 09:20
Wenger wants unconditional love, and I guess he wanted to say that after the jeering of Adebayor and the reaction of the home fans against Hull. I think it less ‘let them eat cake’ but ‘have his cake and eat it’. No doubt it’ll cause some chest thumping amongst the AKBs but seems a needless dig, particularly after a result like the Fenerbache one
October 24, 2008 at 09:20
I wrote a post after the Fulham game titled Emperors clothes, I think it sums him up, he now thinks he’s above criticism.
Bentley got dropped, that was funny, he’s got no friends at Tottenham either!
October 24, 2008 at 09:22
My prediction
Spurs will get thumped on October 29 @ The Emirates, & One Day will get the sack.
October 24, 2008 at 09:23
I hope you’re right Gnarley
October 24, 2008 at 09:24
He’s gonna end up at Birmingham/Portsmouth. Soon.
October 24, 2008 at 09:25
Just because you are buying the tickets and merchandise, doesn’t give you the right to throw insults at the players or the managers, in bad times. We should be more supportive of our club, regardless of silverwhere or whatever. We don’t have a sacred right to the silverwhere, all we can do is try. And we did that last year, and it went quite good.
October 24, 2008 at 09:26
Im a bit worried that Spurs visiting us might be the tonic they need to turn around their position It happens all the time. Teams use arsenal to bounce back
October 24, 2008 at 09:27
I am a real fencesitter on this one in a way he is out of line, as I have supported the club for the past 30 years and remember the 1-o to the arsenal days well. This season I have heard so many moans about nearly every member of the team, players have been booed I cant remember that too often in the past 30 years and there is in my opinion an air of negativity about the place from sections of the crowd. The way we play is great entertainment and I want to see us lift trophies as much as the next man but we have to get behind the team I dont rate alot of the players but as long as they give there all for the shirt I will support them even if they are crap but dont boo or jeer our own that is the sort of behaviour of spud fans not us.
October 24, 2008 at 09:27
Fuck me Geoff… every AKB and his dog will be out today… Armchair AKB’s I would suspect.
October 24, 2008 at 09:27
But we’ve got a major score to settle after they thumped us at Shite Hart Lane in January so I hope our guys are up for it
October 24, 2008 at 09:28
Franshise
They might get a Big Boot that bounces them straight back up the Seven Sisters
October 24, 2008 at 09:30
They did manage to hold the Russians at the bridge.
October 24, 2008 at 09:32
Has any1 seen this video yet? The guys is amazing. He does a Rafa, Gerrard, Carragher, Owen and Croouch impersonation
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QEm028lKA
October 24, 2008 at 09:33
Al, players are getting booed everywhere in the Prem, not just at Arsenal.
It’s the money they are paid… people feel out of touch with players now, so if the fans feel they are not getting VFM… they resort to booing.
October 24, 2008 at 09:33
Funny Pedro, the AKB’s don’t go to the games do they, otherwise everyone would be happy and Wenger wouldn’t be whining.
Incidentally, I have never booed or jeered, not even in the Don Howe days.
I don’t reckon the AKB’s were even born then do you?
October 24, 2008 at 09:40
Pedro
Players are paid vast amounts it is not going to change, I personally think it is obscene the amounts people in football are paid. However I always thought as supporters of our club we were better than that, obviously im wrong?
If people are that fed up and dont feel that they are getting VFM vote with your feet cancel the sky and setanta subscription that is the first step if it gets no better dont renew your season ticket, as long as people keep paying the prices the money will stay.
October 24, 2008 at 09:40
Good morning, I have not posted on here for a while as work and travelling commitments have kept me busy but I do read the forum whenever I have time. I would like to comment on Wenger’s remark about the support issue. Of course Arsenal supporters pay a hell of a lot of cash to support their team. I know what I pay through ticket agencies for the away European games. However, with that said I can relate to what he is saying. 10 minutes before half time and 10 minutes after half time the upper tiers are mostly empty as people are drinking and eating. 10 minutes (sometimes earlier) before the end of the game, supporters are streaming out of the stadium. On an average this means that some fans are missing as much as 30 minutes of the game! I am sure the players sense it when the supporters are leaving early or just gone missing around the half time period.
October 24, 2008 at 09:41
If spurs beat The Arsenal, I chuck’n them. I could live with a loss to Acrington Stanley, but not to those bottom feeders spurs
October 24, 2008 at 09:43
I don’t think he was out of order. The Emirates is too quiet.
I don’t think its entirely the fault of the fans though. Stewards allow visitors to stand and chant but not us. Perhaps EL Tel has a perspective?
October 24, 2008 at 09:44
Al, that is a simplistic way of looking at it.
Just because they are booing, it doesn’t mean the don’t support the club.
I don’t boo… but I can understand why people do it. When we’re in the last ten minutes of a game and Eboue is rolling around on the floor faking injury, or Ade skys it from 6 yards or Gallas sulks on the halfway line…
Fans pay money to see good players and good players working hard. If the fans feel they are not getting world class players for world class dough… they aren’t going to sit there and accept it.
I am glad Wenger knows people aren’t happy… perhaps he will do something about it.
October 24, 2008 at 09:44
We might face Acrington in th CC
October 24, 2008 at 09:46
QoS, the emirates is quiet by design…
Stewards are too heavy handed.
Singing fans are all over the place… you need them together.
Singing is not promoted
October 24, 2008 at 09:53
morning all..
when you pay the highest ticket prices i think people just want the best value for money…
it’s like paying for a ferrari but the ferrari tops out at 80mph!
has wenger even examined the reason why the fans boo? most of the boos i think are before the first half when we go down early … always via a stupid goal..
I actually think the boos wake the players up!
October 24, 2008 at 09:54
Thats a fair comment Pedro…some of it is also the way we play…we play football “to be admired” rather than blood and thunder stuff that gets people on their feet.
In a way its Arsene’s fault for promoting that type of play!
October 24, 2008 at 09:56
Morning All.
Wenger wanted a new big stadium. The high prices & coporate seats means we’ve ended up with with many 70 minute glory hunters & fucking tourists.
These are the ‘fans’ he should have singled out.
October 24, 2008 at 09:57
Listen, AW and AFC wanted to be more corporate, thus they sold their soul for a buck, now they fucking moan about the level of support. Well go back to Highbury then and tell the fucking stewards to wind their collective fucking necks in…….
October 24, 2008 at 09:57
Is that right that Rosicksicksicky is not back until after christmas now?
Did Diaby come through the game without picking up any injuries?
Educate me please Grovers…..
October 24, 2008 at 09:58
I don’t think Wenger complained about booing did he? Just that he’d like more noise?
October 24, 2008 at 09:59
Maybe going down 0-1 to Everton is the turning point of the season, coz its been all blue skies since
October 24, 2008 at 10:00
Apparently Gallas & Toure are fit for Sunday.
Not a good thing I say.
October 24, 2008 at 10:02
Morning..
Arsene Wenger should have more respect for Arsenal fans..
We never had fences at Highbury all through the seventies and eighties because we were always more civilized at Arsenal,
The clubs that had hooligans caused fences to be put up, which was the cause of the Hillsborough disaster,
Then we all suffered because of it, all seater stadiums have killed the atmosphere.
And the Bindippers the greatest english club in europe got us all banned from europe which put english teams back 10 years.
The commentators forget to mention this on the great european nights at Anfield..
October 24, 2008 at 10:02
Rasputin… he is fit… but will he play on Sunday?
October 24, 2008 at 10:03
This Champions League campaign could be the mother load for Arsenal fans you know. I’m getting a sense that AW really wants it. I just hope he is not putting all his “eggs in one basket”.
October 24, 2008 at 10:03
i’m not agree with mr wenger.
October 24, 2008 at 10:04
the fans are not singing because they are not happy. the fans are showing their disappointment with some of wengers decisions by the only way they can, by staying quiet. I know when I see Song and Denilson picked yet again and Gallas and toure picked at the back yet again, along with a total failure to replace Flamini, I dont feel like singing. wenger has to look closer to home and sort is own house out before slagging us off.
whats more, he drags us to a massive new stadium thus spreading out all the singers, doubles ticket prices and drives out all the old working class fans then wonders why the atmosphere is shit…work it out wenger.
October 24, 2008 at 10:06
About diaby, he’s a good player, but if he will play so who gonna be DM? Cesc or no DM at all? i only can see that he ’s an attacking type.
October 24, 2008 at 10:06
Avenell
Too right. Back here in Oz the continuous reports of the bloody mindedness of their fans was disturbing.
October 24, 2008 at 10:07
if wenger does not win a trophy this season, I think he should go. OK we need to have assurances that the young players like Wilshere will still be brought through by the new manager – we dont want a manager to come in a bring in four 28 years olds and sell all the young talented players, we just need someone with a bit more tactical nouse to use the current squad better and to fill in the gaps, wenger seems to have a blind spot with regards our weaknesses on the pitch.
October 24, 2008 at 10:08
You can’t blames the corporates, when I had season tickets in West Upper I was always being told to shut up, the fans will sign more when we’re winning and when the stewards stop swarming all over us telling us to shut up and sit down.
People don’t spend all that money and go through the hassle of getting there just to moan, that’s naive to think that.
October 24, 2008 at 10:10
Even when we are playing really well we are quiet gazzup, you can’t argue its because fans are unhappy.
There are a host of reasons why its quiet. The stadium, our style of play, the stewards, the lack of a singing “zone”. The type of fans that now come to watch us.
All managers say this from time to time, to try and crank up the noise a bit, i wouldn’t get bent out of shape over it!
I think one or two of the reactions this morning to it, have been a bit defensive
October 24, 2008 at 10:10
Gazzap I make you right, he needs to sort his own house out.
October 24, 2008 at 10:10
i think its harsh what wenger said,where is the praise for me and the other supporter’s who sing there hearts out everygame and also stay to the end of the game?
even though i didnt boo us vs everton,can you tell me that them fans were wrong to boo after watching the way we played in that first half?
also fans felt cheated by claims that wenger was gonna sign players and a some of them over there are still moaning.
end of the day i support arsenal through thick and thin and maybe sometimes we are quiet,but can you tell me when it really matters that the fans dont get behind the team?
but im not happy with what he said,but do you feel he said this to rally us up for the derby come wednesday?
if so i feel this is a very clever move as it will them plastics to maybe move,hop,skip,jump whatever but just to make them do something.
October 24, 2008 at 10:12
And, as for the booing, imo it’s still a hangover from the ill-feeling towards our Togo Twat, the problem is they (players, manager and management) are quite happy to take the plaudits for when everything is going well, so they should take critism in equal measure.
On that note, the mug who now sits next to me at The Emirates said to me last weekend that i shouldn’t bad mouth TT (now i don’t boo, but i vent my anger at times), otherwise i should go and and support that lot up the road!! Fucking cunt, who the fuck is he to tell me tell me that! So, i decided to make a point of telling him in no uncertain terms that i pay for my ticket and if imo someone is not pulling their weight then i have every right to express my feelings, and my opinion of TT is that he is a lazy, overrated, egotistical mercenary of the worst kind. That is my opinion and i am entitled to it.
October 24, 2008 at 10:13
Hey guys. Im a fan all the way in South Africa. We get a lot of the games this side and Im loathe to admit that impression I get from the tv is that the Emirates is often far too quiet. Look at Liverpool for example: The support they get from their fans is unparalelled, yet aside from some Champions league success recently, what have they won in the recent past compared to us? I think Wenger could have phrased his concerns better but I do think he is right to a certain extent. Opposition fans should fear the atmosphere of the Emirates because they know the 60000 Gunners fans will be roaring!!I often read on this blog about the problems with the stewards. Is it not possible for the fans to write to the Arsenal Supporters Trust voicing their concerns so they can take it to the big guys of the Arsenal board…
October 24, 2008 at 10:14
Thats a good point if the stewards are telling everyone to sit down and be quiet how can u voice your support?
October 24, 2008 at 10:14
I disagree that Wenger would need to go, if we don’t win anything this season.
Don’t get me wrong, i’d be gutted if we didn’t win anything but I can’t think of anyone else i’d like to see as our manager.
He ain’t perfect thats for sure, there are things I want him to change but I still beleive we are on the verge of great things.
October 24, 2008 at 10:14
Come on guys – what ever happened to the concept of the 12th man? The important thing is to get behind your team through thick and thin. I stand in the red section every game, and sing my heart out from beginning to end.
A lot of the ground is a disgrace on that count – quiet for most of the game, then every time a slightly misplaced pass happens its groans all round. I figure if you’re going to have the right to boo or jeer, at the very least it’s got to be earned by bringing vocal support for the rest of the time. A lot of the crowd winge more than they support – what is the point of coming if that’s your way of supporting the team. It’s not the theatre you know!
October 24, 2008 at 10:15
Nick… that is what happpens when you are told to sit down every 2minutes… or you get sent a letter from Arsenal complaining about your behaviour.
I got told off for banging the hoardings when we scored the other week!
October 24, 2008 at 10:16
Guys… Wenger has done a fantastic job of deflecting the attention away from the team hasn’t he?
October 24, 2008 at 10:17
You sir, are a cynic Pedro!
October 24, 2008 at 10:18
How about a Van Basten/Bergkamp combo?
October 24, 2008 at 10:18
But you are right, which is why we should be noisy as hell so another excuse is removed!
October 24, 2008 at 10:20
I also agree with another part of your post… if he wants support then he needs to stop playing Song infront of JD,
October 24, 2008 at 10:21
The employee’s at Arsenal only take £50 million pounds a year wages off the fans, they have every right to criticise there customers.
October 24, 2008 at 10:22
Wenger should just say, we were shite in a couple games season, i have made a few bad decisions with my team selection and im willing to play the best team wherever possible and deliver performances everyone pays for in order to earn the support from the fans
October 24, 2008 at 10:23
Sorry that’s more like £100million wages, 42% of £220mil isn’t it?
October 24, 2008 at 10:23
the stewards throw fans out just for standing and singing,how do they work out the volume on ground’s and what days do they turn out?
i mean i been to grounds all around and i can say that the groove has a decent atmosphere compared with other’s.
i mean of course its gonna be a bit shit aginest teams like hull thats football.
October 24, 2008 at 10:24
sorry my writing and spelling is poor today,please forgive me long night lol
October 24, 2008 at 10:24
I think wenger believe’s that whatever team he puts out should beat any team on any day. He thinks that Song at centre back is good enough to shut out any team in europe…… which as we saw on tuesday isnt!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 10:26
To an extent we all right making valid points even Arsene is right. Supporting the team is indirectly not encouraged by design (Pedro nice point). A lot of new match attending fans dont understand the essence of the club and are more interested in taking pics at the ground and posting them on facebook. Some fans expect more from the team especially cos they paying so much for tickets and as a result get pissed off when the team is playing poorly. The team cannot always be in form so a lil help from the fans might help in such situations. Arsene was wrong to group the fans with press whilst making that comment though
October 24, 2008 at 10:27
i really think on the inside wenger has decided that CL will be our top priority this season. I bet we will be ther in the final at least, and if we dont face manc, chavs or pool we will win the CL.
About Wenger should go thing, i think that is the worst thing that can hapen to our club. Do you have any idea how many players are in our team just cause they like wenger as thei manager..
Cesc, Van Persie, Ramsey, to name a few.
October 24, 2008 at 10:28
Im sorry wenger blaming the fans is not right,,,, its down to ability and tactics. If we played for example Grimsby at the emirates, regardless if whether there was 60000 people supporting or not, then we should still win!.
October 24, 2008 at 10:30
We should also stand at the entrance to the underground car park and applaud the players leaving in there old bangers, before we go home first class on the tube system..
October 24, 2008 at 10:31
ikon i think the wenger should go thing is a bit harsh but i do feel that he should be a man and own up to his mistakes and stop blaming the fans for not being supportive enough…… If he picked Song, Eboue one game ahead of toure and walcott and we were shite then i wouldnt mind so much if he turned round and said “ok guys i got it wrong, it wont happen again”
October 24, 2008 at 10:31
No surpirse to see Wenger talking nonsense, pretty much par for the course these days. He has a bloody cheek having a go at the fans.
For the record I have never booed or jeered the team in my life, my observations are made in the pub and outside of the stadium! Wenger should realise we are entitled to an opinion, we pay enough money to at least have that.
October 24, 2008 at 10:33
Kenny Liverpool fans support their team thru thick and thin. We were running riot there in the Carling Cup in 2006/2007 season but they were still behind their team. That could never happen at the emirates
October 24, 2008 at 10:35
Im not saying he is 100% correct but we all know that our team could do with a lil bit more support i.e. if the stewards allow it
October 24, 2008 at 10:35
For me it’s like he thinks he is bigger than the club and whoever he picks, we should shut the fuck up because he is right, he and his team will read these blogs, or will certainly have them read, so at least they’ll get to know how we feel.
If they don’t read the blogs then they are more up themselves than I thought.
I know PHW went on that Irish Arsenal site once so they know they’re about.
October 24, 2008 at 10:38
Franchise, they turn the volume up when Liverpool play, I’ve been to Wembley several times and the Millenium stadium when we played Liverpool and there was no way they were louder than us.
It’s all bollocks, it’s the same with Newcastle.
October 24, 2008 at 10:39
Goonersquared – Welcome on board matey. The AST have, apparently, backed AW’s comments!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 10:41
Hello folks, been away in deep dark rural northern France for the last week, nowhere near the internet or a tv, so was pleased to read in L’Equipe about us winning both games. Have read through the posts and it seems to have been the usual blend of delight and despair. Am chuffed to hear Diaby is straight back to business though, he is a quality player who can do the unpredictable, as well as giving us some presence in the middle.
On the supporter issue, I have a low paying job and can’t afford to attend matches, so perhaps that makes my views irrelevant as an armchair fan? i don’t know, but anyway I think there is a difference between shouting at the players in frustration, and booing them. I believe those who are actually there DO have a responsibility to encourage the team, but if any player shows a lack of endeavour, then they also can expect criticism. Wenger must realise that people have got on player’s backs since the game began, if they don’t do their job, you can’t expect people to be happy. However I don’t think people should use the excuse of how much they spend to watch Arsenal, as justification for behaviour that could undermine the team’s confidence. There is probably a line somewhere as to what constitutes appropriate reaction, baiting players is counter-productive, but reacting to performance is just natural.
I don’t know if that makes any sense… I’m out of practise lol
October 24, 2008 at 10:42
Gnarley.. and the smashing of shop windows and looting, whenever they played in Europe.
And they was at it again a few years ago, trying to storm the stadium in Athens when they were told not to tavel without a ticket .. They don’t learn.
October 24, 2008 at 10:42
If you take a look at his his comment he was very correct about the media. We won our last trophy in 2005 the FACup. LPool won the CL in 2006. We’ve won nothing for 3 seasons Lpool in 2 seasons but the press would rather spend their time and resources publishing doom stories. Is it MOTD? You could sense that its so anti-arsenal. That uis why I said that grouping the fans with the media in his comments was wrong. he could have just appealled that the fans should try and support the team more
October 24, 2008 at 10:43
Do the Red Action really sing that much? I sit behind the away bench and I rarely hear them to be honest. sure I hear them more than any other part of the stadium but maybe only 3 times a match and I never hear the players’ songs anymore even after they score a goal. if I cant hear them then the players cant either. All I can hear are the away fans drowning us out.
Geoff, I dont necessarily think every corporate is a non-singer but overall on average you need to be a bit wealthier to follow arsenal than you used to. I have several friends who used to go all the time at highbury but now get to games only a few times a season down to cost. thats where the singers have gone. the singers that remain are spread out more so whereas you used to be surrounded by like minded people now you just feel like a tit when your the only person belting it out.
October 24, 2008 at 10:43
doom stories about Arsenal I meant
October 24, 2008 at 10:45
Geoff I dont agree that it is bollocks even Arsenal players past and present have commented on the atmosphere at Anfield.
October 24, 2008 at 10:45
Poll is not working!
Geoff that is exactly the problem, the club make it nigh on impossible to support with passion and they are the reason we are quiet.
It really irks me that Wenger has the balls to criticize the fans, or should I say generalize the fans in such a way.
For every TWUNT checking their blackberry during games there are also those of us who travel to places like blackburn and kiev to follow the team.
So Fuck off Arsene and tell your board that you should create heavy support areas for people like me, before you criticize my support!
October 24, 2008 at 10:46
There were 38,000 at Highbury of which approx 10,000 made noise . They are still there at the new stadium. We now have 60′000 crowds but at the end of matches probably only 35,000 are still there. In this respect he has the right to criticise. Personally I am not offended by his remarks as I stay to the end and make as much noise as I feel like.
October 24, 2008 at 10:47
gazzap, some do and a lot get chucked out for signing and standing
October 24, 2008 at 10:49
avenell – You are a nutter sir, i applaud you!
October 24, 2008 at 10:49
Gazzap, great shout mate.
Redaction make out they raise the roof every game, but I beg to differ!
October 24, 2008 at 10:49
i really cannot comment on the noise level at the emirates, on tv it sounds a lot quieter i must say, than say anfield.
But if stewards are that tough, it comes as a surprise comment… really.
There can be absolutely no question about the support from the fans…. when you see stadium attendance at 50K+ for youth games, its hard to digest that sort of a comment.
I think he wanted to point out about the noise in stadium, but got it horribly wrong.
The support is always there, it will always be there.
Fuck, I am part of communities where fellow gooners pick each other up after debacles like hull and fulham. I have been part of the “picked” and the “picker” many times, and he questions the support???
Never have I heard a gooner say… “I wont be watching them again”… or “I have had enough”… and he questions the support????
I think he would do well to read his statements himself a bit more and come out and clarify his point.
This is hard to take.
October 24, 2008 at 10:52
Yes at anfield the whole Kop end stands. no-one would dare ask them to sit down or throw them out.
we probably have been spoiled to be honest and now expectations are high. my opinion is that Arsene is not reaching the expectations we have of him. I have no problem with the effort of the players – its wenger that puts the team out there and the buck stops with him.
October 24, 2008 at 10:55
In fairness it seemed more of an impassioned plea than a criticism.
I agree about the stewards though, and the way we are set up with many fans only coming to 1 or 2 matches a season. They dont know the songs so cannot join in.
All of us who go every match know the atmosphere could improve, we are frequently slaughtered by the away support. I think it might be time to embrace a more American style, more music and put the words of the chants on the big screen. Could anyone not join in with some of the classics? WE loveeeeeee you Steve Bould because you’ve got no hairrrrrrrrr…..
October 24, 2008 at 10:55
Potter he wants the credit for building the stadium so he should take an interest is how it should make a noise, we suggested songs on the big screen, Wenger sanction some wanker saying Gael…. Clichy, like we are all retarded school kids. It’s embarrassing.
Gazzap I spend shit loads on my tickets and frankly if I could get a season ticket on TV I think I would instead, getting to the ground is shit, getting away is worse and then having to endure all the PC bollocks at the stadium tops it for me.
We can’t sing spud songs, we can’t stand up, we can’t even jump around when we score, so what the fuck does he want from us, apart from no criticising anyone and our money.
October 24, 2008 at 11:08
Dennisdamenace- Thanks for the welcome
. You’re right about AST hey, just read about it. In that case, does anyone know how the fans can protest? We shouldn’t just take it lying down. Franchise- I 100% agree with you, although I must correct you in saying that Liverpool won the FA Cup in 2006. We lost to Barca in the ‘06 finai. Seb- You’re absolutley spot on, some fans shouldn’t use how much they pay as a right to jeer the players. The fans should be cheering from kick-off till the FINAL whistle because seeing those many empty seats at 80min on the clock really irritates me as I would give my right arm to just get to watch 5mins of a game live. There is a 30000+ waiting list for season ticket holders, so those who no longer want theirs will have no problem finding takers. Get behind boys GOONERS!
October 24, 2008 at 11:14
I hope someone among us will write about the rules and the stewards and send it to the PR.
I want a 5-0 thrashing , bamboozling of west ham.
Arsene you want noise? fucking earn it!
October 24, 2008 at 11:16
Remember the side that Wenger put out at Old Trafford in the FA cup last season, we was humiliated, no apologies for that.
That was a total disrespect for the fans by Wenger..
October 24, 2008 at 11:17
Anyways gents, if F-F-F-F-F-Fridayyyyyyyyyyyyy……..
I would like to offer up a little dittie courtesy of Bud, i’d like to take credit for this one, but that would be as wrong as Song winning a MOTM award, anyhoo………
A woman goes to the doctors, and says “Doctor, everytime i open my legs my fanny says Sours are a top four team”!!
The doctor replies, “I’m afraid that’s not your fanny, that’s your @rse talking”……..!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 11:17
You should have written the last para in XL font cos that’s the crux of it all. The reason the stadium is so quiet sometimes is we can’t bloody stand up. How can we expected to make a racket when we’re all sitting down? The loudest person in my section is a disabled guy who just shouts babble the whole way through, and the only reason those orange-coated cunts don’t tell him to shut up is cos he’s ‘retarded’.
I was shocked at how the atmos died against everton when we went 2-1 up. I know theos injury caused a lull, but when we come back from 1-0 down to win 2-1 you expect people to fucking celebrate! No joy.
I’ve also noticed the reaction after we score goals is much more negative- instead of chanting the players name, or singing by far the greatest team etc, it’s WHO ARYA WHO ARYA…
I know we have a right to complain, but we had the same right last season and the atmosphe re was very different. Yes, maybe it’s cos AW has sold a lot of players. Maybe that has affected it as we no longer have that many ’stars’, BUT BUT BUT
FACT IS THEY STILL WEAR THE SHIRT THAT WE LOVE AND WE SHOULD SUPPORT THAT THROUGH THICK AND THIN.
And someone should start an anti-steward campaign, I would protest night and day for that cause.
October 24, 2008 at 11:18
morning all…
with the support thing i was thinking…
why not sell another 10,00 season tickets per season then, that way you’ll get a more hard-core and committed fan rather than the ‘day out at the football’ type who just sit there and only cheer a goal.
i know the answer tho… season tickets earn less than the normal tickets do!
October 24, 2008 at 11:19
Or the fans travelling to Seville, paying hundreds of pounds to see a CC side getting thrashed… …Wenger you are becoming like every dictator DELUSIONAL
October 24, 2008 at 11:20
Ikon how much do u love the Arsenal? Would you follow Arsenal now if we suffered the same fate as Leeds united or if we dropped out of the top 4?
October 24, 2008 at 11:21
if it was me i would buy big phsycal commanding defender,but if you look at arsenal defenders right now dijouro,toure,gallas are all very athletic and can go foward and i dont think wenger is going change that policy so i feel arsenal need a strong dm i think song and diaby a more than good enough to cover until january, i must say i very impressed by diaby ,very powerful,excelant ball retention great dribler,song is very powerful but at 20 just needs to work on consistancy. i think dijouro would do very well but i have found the centre backs takes longer to develop that midfielders and needs time and will play in carling cup. i feel silvestor just needs time he has been injured for long time and has only just come back. i dont think arsenals defence is that bad just sometimes they go asleep when it comes set plays and corners
October 24, 2008 at 11:21
avenell – it’s a well known theory that a team reflects the manager’s personality, and as such after witnessing the FA Cup debacle at ManUre i can only assume he didn’t give a flying fuck about that game, now how much of a slap in the face was that for the Arsenal fans who travelled all that way and sang their collective hearts out for the full 90 minutes, and were rewarded with that lame arse effort…………Thanks Arsene, next time before opening the hole underneath your nose engage your fucking brain.
October 24, 2008 at 11:21
wengers comments are like poking a stick into a bee hive. not wise, its just made us angrier. I dont think his comments will improve the signing at all.
October 24, 2008 at 11:21
I VOTED NO……………………………………………ARSENE IS THE BEST MANAGER IN THE WORLD ,AGREE OR NOT !!!!!THAT IS MY OPINION!!!!!LET ARSENE DO THR JOB HE IS PAID FOR
October 24, 2008 at 11:22
Perhaps Arsenal should give there own tickets that they sell for huge amounts back to the 58000 people on the waiting list.
October 24, 2008 at 11:23
I’m sorry, but I really don’t buy the whole, ‘It’s just a day out’ bollocks.
Arsenal is a day out for me and I love it.
What is Arsenal to a hardcore fan if it’s not a day out?
October 24, 2008 at 11:23
Franchise… silly question
of course yes.
Until we play the football “which is as much art as science” , I will continue to support them.
October 24, 2008 at 11:24
Great point Gooner4ever.
Someone just put this question to me:
Does Gooner4ever have a mind of his own?
I also voted ‘no’.
October 24, 2008 at 11:24
firingblanks- “a more American style”?????????!!!!!!!!
I think I just died a little bit inside. THATS WHAT KILLED THE ATMOSPHERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
What’s wrong with just cheering after thenname ofneach player, why do we have to be so fucking spoonfed. Exactly like you said geoff, makes me feel like a little schoolkid. Its ridiculous and it’s time we did something about it!
VIVA LA REVOLUCIÓN!
October 24, 2008 at 11:24
*until we stop playing that is
October 24, 2008 at 11:25
pedro… i mean the people who sit there watching, not shouting, singing, clapping anything until theres a goal, the people who at the end when we loose say ‘oh well they played well’
west ham sell as many season tickets as they can and they always have a good atmosphere… no coincidence
October 24, 2008 at 11:27
G4Ever – What, like win a fucking trophy??
October 24, 2008 at 11:28
Moring Pedro/Geoff and Le Grove massive!
Great article, pretty much sums it up for me.
Arsene Wenger has spoken of a lack of noise at the Emirates and while I’ll admit that the match-day atmosphere could be improved greatly, I think he has a different motive behind his statement.
I don’t really think its the noise issue that bothers him, the atmosphere at Arsenal has been the same throughout his time at the club. I think that Wenger feels Gooners don’t have enough belief in the squad, he badly wants us to believe in this squad as much as he does.
October 24, 2008 at 11:29
Tom, they haven’t even sold out for the Arsenal game this weekend and the atmosphere is overrated.
When you talk about people who say, ‘Oh well, we played well’… you are talking about AKB’s…
If people are sitting their not singing… you have to look at the reason they are not singing. You can’t just label them jolly come latelys… they must have been on a 10 year waiting list as well.
Everyone passes the buck…
Every person on the web claims that anyone who leaves early is a traitor… yet half the stadium is empty by the final whistle?
Someone is lying?
It’s not a rich or poor people problem… it is a club problem.
October 24, 2008 at 11:30
Its probably just a culture thing, the fans are getting more distanced from the so so privileged players, the costs to follow the team are going up, there’s too much Polotical Correctness in the world, There seems to be so much more at stake compared to the Division 1 days etc etc etc Its a complex problem to address. Wnger was right to raise it but he chose the wrong words
October 24, 2008 at 11:31
lol Polotical Correctness. Proof read u twunt. oops that was me
October 24, 2008 at 11:32
Good morning, I read this site nigh on everyday for the last 6 months and have never posted a comment, i cant believe the offence taken by this outlandish comment, was anyone at the meeting to decipher the way it was put across?? or shall we just assume it was an attack? i can understand the annoyance of the fans who attend every match and sing and cheer and stay until the end that think this comment from AW is aimed at them but surely if you believe that you give 100% support than you should feel proud for yourselves and know in your mind that this comment is aimed at the 100 people around you who are taking photos and who visit once a season. the point i am making is that i wouldnt take the quotes to heart and although they may seem of bad taste i am 100% certain Wenger would say them for the good of the team.
Also i have noticed that there is a lot of negativity towards wenger on this site and maybe thats “your thing”, you refer to people who praise and think AW can do know wrong as AKBs but i can assure you that there is no arsenal fan who thinks that AW has never ever put a foot wrong they just prefer to back him to the full. deluded? maybe. but i dont think labelling people for there opinions is right as your slogan suggests……
and before you think i have come on here to slag you guys off, i havent, i think you do a great job and are obviously avid fans and i think everyone has an opinion but lets not knock the guys whose opinion differs from yours.
i think we have the best team in the EPL and although we are weaker in some areas than other teams i think as a collective we are up there.
sorry if this is un justified!!!
feedback??
October 24, 2008 at 11:34
pedro, i agree, but think that selling more season tickets would help, and hopefully build more areas like the red action bit in the ground. i agree about the ‘reason they aent singing bit’ cos we kina feel thats no much to sing about!
nikc hornby made a good point yesterday when he said
i dont wanna keep hearing about all the money theyve got in the bank i wanna know why its not out there in central midfield’
October 24, 2008 at 11:37
Welcome aboard Alfie, we say this is a site where you can have an opinion, you don’t have to agree with us to post, we just don’t like people who come onto argue.
We are not anti Arsene, we just aren’t sheep.
We are Arsenal fans and that’s why we have so many people commenting, because we care, weren’t happy being told what we were told though, I hope to see more of you.
October 24, 2008 at 11:38
I have had a belief recently that TT will leave next summer because he will use the “ready made” excuse that he’s not loved/appreciated anymore……..
And, on that note i’m now think AW is setting himself up for an eventual exit because no one believes in him or his precious boys school anymore………
Ridiclulous?? Childish?? Too daft for words?? Well my friends nothing would surprise me in the self-obsessed world of professional football anymore………
October 24, 2008 at 11:39
I hear you Dennis!
October 24, 2008 at 11:41
Thanks Geoff, hope to speak more in the weeks to come.
PS. read in the most reliable source (back of The Sun) Theo Walcott rumours he is set to leave for fee commanding 40 million. i dont believe it obviously but would you sell for that much…? big money but i think he could be one of the best in the world…. would make a good debate!
October 24, 2008 at 11:43
When has Wenger taken credit for building the stadium??
October 24, 2008 at 11:43
THE IRAQI FOOTBALLER
Alex Ferguson flies to Baghdad to watch a young Iraqi play football, and is suitably impressed and arranges for him to come over to England .
Two weeks later United are 4-0 down to City with only 20 minutes left.
The Manager gives the young Iraqi striker the nod, and on he goes.
The lad is a sensation and scores 5 goals in 20 minutes and wins the game for United.
The fans are delighted, the players and coaches are delighted and the media love the new star.
When the player comes off the pitch, he phones his Mum to tell her about his first day in Premiership football.
‘Hello Mum, guess what?’ he says.
‘I played for 20 minutes today, we were 4-0 down but I scored 5 and we won. Everybody loves me ˆ the fans, the media they all love me’.
‘Wonderful’, says his Mum, ‘let me tell you about my day.
Your father got shot in the street and robbed; your sister and I were ambushed; gang raped and beaten and your brother has joined a gang of looters; and all the while you were having such a great time’.
The young lad is very upset.
‘What can I say Mum, except that I am very sorry?’
‘Sorry?!!!
Sorry?!!! Sorry?!!!’ explodes his Mum.
‘It’s your bloody fault we moved to Manchester in the first place’!!
October 24, 2008 at 11:44
alfie… gotta keep him mate! we already sell too many players as it is!!! and give him a year and he’ll be destroying teams on his own
October 24, 2008 at 11:45
Alfie … if you’ve been reading the blog for the last couple of days, that is funny especially who you addressed it too..
October 24, 2008 at 11:45
Alfie, we don’t label people for having a differing opinion… we label people who don’t have an opinion.
Arsene knows isn’t an opinion… it’s like saying, ‘only god knows’ when trying to explain science.
Everyone has differing views of Arsenal on this site… and as long as you can justify your opinion… your comment is welcome!
Theo for £40million? Oh no… it begins…
October 24, 2008 at 11:45
Alfie I might be wrong but I think his quotes are very clear in black and white. For the same reason so called AKB’s loathe Le Grove that is why I love it. I bet a large % of us here were AKB’s in the past, Arsene’s back room staff are probably all AKB’s. The guy is a fantastic manager but sometimes he gets carried away and think he can get away with anything and not be questioned.
October 24, 2008 at 11:47
Gazzap, you say if we win nothing this season that Wenger should go! Perhaps you are correct. However, how can you say he should only go if the new person agrees to keep the likes of Wilshire and not bring in four 28 year old players? I sense an air of a double standard in your comment as I doubt that a new man would agree to anything like that. You either want him to continue what he is doing or you want him out and someone new takes over with a whole new concept on how to run the club. You can’t have it both ways.
October 24, 2008 at 11:49
there is no shadow of a doubt, keep him. when Theo comes on i can see the difference he makes and his pace in genuinley the fastest i have seen in current football. remember when ole gunner used to come on for the mancs and he seemed to change games, well thats what i think when we bring on theo
October 24, 2008 at 11:53
There has not being enough transparency regarding lack of transfers, ever increasing transfer pot that never gets thouched, promises that are made and not kept (where our experienced CM?) etc etc etc. Arsene surrounds himself with a back room staff that agree to every decision he takes even the board so I think that it is a blessing that sites like Le-grove (and Wrighty7 in smaller print
) exist. With time Arsene might hear about Le-grove, he probably knows already.
October 24, 2008 at 11:54
thouched Franchise what is wrong with you? You doing a Kerry Katona on the keyboard
October 24, 2008 at 11:56
Theo will be the world’s best player, better than Henry, £40mil, I wouldn’t take £100, the only player I think is as good is Messi, would I swap him? no way!
Hounddog are you arguing again? Wenger has been taking the credit for the stadium since day 1.
October 24, 2008 at 11:58
True a new manager might have his own philosophy and never play any kids so what should happen is this : Wnger should bring in someone now to mould as his replacement. Its almost a sure thing that AW will just move upstairs after his contract ends so why not bring in a young coach now, teach him some of his football knowledge. Ideally it would be either TA or DB10.
Adams already said that he would love te job one day so why not combine his love for defending with Wengers footballing mentallity. A mean defence with free flowing attack. Thats the stuff dreams are made of!
October 24, 2008 at 11:59
Geoff and Pedro,
Hope you don’t mind me putting this on your site, I think everyone needs to watch it.
Fast forward it to 40 seconds, pretty much sums it up really!
October 24, 2008 at 11:59
This I mean!!!!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=X8LyfMMBQ0A
October 24, 2008 at 12:01
I agree with Geoff re the spoonfed ‘atmosphere’, I would find it cringeworthy in the extreme. Arsenal really haven’t considered this closely enough, I’m sure redACTION have been doing their best, but without official and dedicated leadership from the club on the matter it is impossible to make a difference imo. Yes it is all going to have to be forced to some degree, it’s not the 1920s anymore, people don’t get together for a sing-song round the old joanna, a lot of the people that go to matches now are too self conscious. Chanting is deemed non-PC, anti-social, society frowns on discriminatory behaviour and therefore a lot of people are wary of expressing themselves in public.
Besides, the club wanted the £50-£100 ticket crowd, so we get the £50-£100 ticket atmosphere, akin to the theatre or the opera. People equate expensive tickets with top class entertainment, hence the booing when the team don’t perform I guess. I don’t really see how you can get around that, other than dropping tickets back to the £20 or £30 mark. As if that’s going to happen.
October 24, 2008 at 12:03
Hi, does anyone know if Dawson – spud defender – got his ban extended or not ?
October 24, 2008 at 12:03
Arsene the builder and his dream!
http://www.goonertube.com/video-sports-91203-emirates_virtual_tour?
October 24, 2008 at 12:05
Great clip Wrighty, was it you? Also sums up our point doesn’t it!
October 24, 2008 at 12:08
Ohhhh Odub, where for art thou brother????
October 24, 2008 at 12:08
Classic Avenall, ‘it’s good the board shares my dream’ are you reading Hounddog?
What happened to those fancy white seats? And where were the stewards telling us to sit down or we’ll be lobbed out?
October 24, 2008 at 12:12
guys this is interesting
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1080242/Milan-wanted-Senderos-obvious-theres-lack-class-centre-backs–Wenger-defends-lack-defensive-buys.html?ITO=1490
October 24, 2008 at 12:15
‘On the other hand, I would like to show you some players of letters who left us and how much they would like to come back.
‘That is always very impressive to see. That is why I think we have enough strengths to keep them together.’
Bullshit… football players can’t write!
October 24, 2008 at 12:16
Easy to say that isn’t it, show us one then. What about Vincent Kompany for £6mil, he’s have done.
October 24, 2008 at 12:19
Geoff,
I was the steward telling the chump to sit down. We cant have people singing in the Emirates!
October 24, 2008 at 12:19
how can complete idiots in the poll say he was not out of order in what he said.what he said is outrageous….
October 24, 2008 at 12:19
houndog, yes I know you cant ask for a new manager to keep youth players and yes I was hoping for too much. but I get the feeling wenger is disappearing up his own arse. he at least needs a strong number 2 to tell him no from time to time. clearly what wenger has done for this club cannot be under-estimated but I do feel that at the moment we are punching UNDER our weight having puched over it for so many years. These super talented young players deserve more from Arsene. they at least deserve a strong defence behind them.
October 24, 2008 at 12:21
http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/10/24/Prem-Pires-exclusive-on-Adebayor/
why the hell is Pires defending TT?
October 24, 2008 at 12:23
Good point Gazzap
October 24, 2008 at 12:24
houndog what about Liam Brady and Steve Bould double act taking over from wenger? a defensive minded number 2 and liam bringing the kids through. I would love to see that happen. they both want to play football in the right way.
October 24, 2008 at 12:25
G’day Fellas,
I would like to put my t’penny worth in.
All us older folk remember the noisy Highbury. Yet within a few years of all-seater stadiums the atmosphere had radically changed.
We weren’t called the Highbury Library for nothing. After the destruction of the North Bank, I became a Clock Ender because that was where us singers assembled. Where is the singing focal point at the Emirates ?
And I take serious umbrage at the continual use of that Fucking DJ. Prior to the game we used to sing the songs of each player, and they responded with a wave. It established a dialogue between us and the players. This no longer happens because we are forced to listen to some shite music.
When a player (Henry or Cesc) goes towards the crowd and calls for some noise, the noise level goes up dramatically. Why ? Because there is an acceptance that we help the players perfom. It is a dialogue.
So….. we need some action from the players as well as the curtailing of that fucking DJ’s activity, for things to start to improve
October 24, 2008 at 12:27
Liam fucked that up when he took the Celtic and Brighton jobs!
October 24, 2008 at 12:27
Spot on Raddy, spot on!
October 24, 2008 at 12:33
And close the bars 10 minutes before kick off. Get the crowd in early.
Re-open the bar no more than 5 minutes before half-time.
Penalise early leavers – maybe take note of season ticket holders who consistently leave after 80 minutes, Send them warning letters. Find out why they leave early, – after all, they have waited all week to watch this game, paid a lot of money, and will talk about it for the next few days. So why do some fans want to get into the tube queue 10 minutes early, just to get home half an hour earlier?
The last 10 minutes of a game are often the most exciting and yet these numpties feel the need to get out early. To me it defies understanding. Park half an hours walk away, thereby missing the traffic jams, and getting some exercise in the process.
October 24, 2008 at 12:34
Top Stuff from Big Raddy!
October 24, 2008 at 12:34
Geoff
i think theo – jack- vela are of a better class than even cesc ..
We have got 3 or 4 players who are truly world beaters ( or will be ! ) .Messi like !
. i s’pose the trick is to keep them happy – secure them on long term contracts , keep them enthusiastic .. And get them all to gel at the same time .. Im not totally convinced that wenger’s experiment will fail , some good has come from it …. but what is apparent is that timing is crucial .. no point in having 11 good youngsters all coming good over a long period of time . his experiment needs to bare fruit now !
the magic needs too happen all in 1 season … and its NOT been close too happening for 4 seasons now .. for wenger time is running out , what does he expect from fans? …
Timing in his experiment is the fatal flaw ! and the need to fill specific roles with the youngsters he has available at that time ..
I think its far better to buy with purpose .. he did well in the past ,and the changing of his tactics have most 2nd guessing him ….
October 24, 2008 at 12:39
Raddy people leave early so they don’t have to queue for 45 minutes at the station, I leave an hour after the game and still have to queue for twenty minutes, it’s not a case of getting home early mate, honest.
Ethan I’m with you on that!
October 24, 2008 at 12:42
Geoff, I am simply saying when has he taken credit for building the stadium? Sometimes you are so clever, and I promised not to be such an pain again.
Forgive me.
October 24, 2008 at 12:43
Gazzap, good shout on Brady and Bould. I wish DB was not afraid of flying as he is the first choice IMO.
October 24, 2008 at 12:43
hi all,
wow, some good OPINIONS on the blog today which is good. Boy Better know – i dont think you cansay anyones an idiot for agreeing with AW….i agree with him, the gaff is far too bloody quiet far too often but sure its the stewards they play their part BUT if we all as a collective are singing a la anfield then i think you will find that the stewards can do sweet FA… Wrighty7 are you the same guy who writes a blog??
October 24, 2008 at 12:44
what does everyone think about the Elvis tune before kick off??? i was reading somewhere else that people think it should be changed
October 24, 2008 at 12:45
I meant anti AKB world
October 24, 2008 at 12:47
charybdis .. I watched your you tube clips and it is an good example of pre match at the Emirates, empty seats and no singing to drown out that crap song!!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eGQIBfXHAe0
October 24, 2008 at 12:49
Hounddog… Geoff isn’t wrapped up in anything.
Generally, Wenger is given most of the credit for the stadium. That isn’t an opinion… you just have to look around the blogs that defend him to the hilt.
October 24, 2008 at 12:50
Geoff, I understand that.
My point is that to go to a match is a big event. A day out, not a couple of hours and an easy relaxed trip home. Try going to Wembley, Old Trafford, or even worse Cardiff – all grtounds have the same exit problem if they attract big crowds.
AFC have tried to entice fans to stay with the establishment of post-match entertainment (?). They know the problems, as I saw Cesc stuck in a traffic jam trying to get up Hornsey Lane.
But all the regulars know the area, and there are ways of relieving the waiting time (walking to Angel/Archway etc).
As an armchair fan (and I never thought I would have to write that) it is dispiriting to see the huge swathes of empty seats.
Actually, it is illogical, as the queue will still be the same if all fans leave at the same time -10 minutes before the whistle.
October 24, 2008 at 12:50
Arsenal Tom, Nick Hornby is a legend
October 24, 2008 at 12:50
Houndog… Funny you should say that. I posted this last night but there wasn’t many on to reply..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7687492.stm
October 24, 2008 at 12:53
Ok Hounddog I forgive you.
October 24, 2008 at 12:56
Raddy I’m just saying why I think they leave early, and it’s a lot worse than Old Trafford and worse than Wembly, I don’t care because I hit the bar, but I do understand why, Arsenal should be doing something to help, like putting escalators in at Holloway road, or at least contributing.
October 24, 2008 at 12:57
I can understand too… especially when there are 3 home games in a week…
October 24, 2008 at 13:00
Telling the fans to make more noise is like telling someone they have to like you, you can’t force it, if he bought a few players and we felt we could compete maybe it would all change.
As someone said earlier, what about the poor sods that went to Old Trafford for the FA cup game, playing a team we all knew would get stuffed, where’s the respect for them and the money they spent.
He should pick his best team for every game, that what he and the players are paid for.
October 24, 2008 at 13:01
Or give away free beer like they did at the Reebok last week!
October 24, 2008 at 13:01
Thank you Geoff
October 24, 2008 at 13:03
Bollocks to that Pedro, I’m not going all the way up there, not even for a free beer!
October 24, 2008 at 13:06
Pedro, That’s my point, blogs and other people say things? Personally I have never heard or read anything “directly” from Wenger to claim that he built the stadium or it was his doing? All I know is that he had something to do with designing the dressing rooms.
October 24, 2008 at 13:10
The beer is worse than piss at the grove Pedro… …if they are cleaning the lines after everygame we could also be slowly getting poisened by it to
October 24, 2008 at 13:17
Hounddog Avenall put this on earlier, he say in this clip it was his dream.
http://www.goonertube.com/video-sports-91203-emirates_virtual_tour?
October 24, 2008 at 13:18
I’m off for an hour Grovers.
October 24, 2008 at 13:19
wenger’s ripped the soul out of our club. sure he has built it in terms of turnover but doing things like buying a chav and a manc for our defence does not help. whats happened to all the loud singers that used to be at Highbury? you think they just gave up supporting Arsenal? no they didn’t, they got forced out and it hurt them. ticket prices went too high and arsenal lost touch of where they came from. the matchday experience has been sanitised too the extreme and then he has the cheek to blame us???!! following a team is not all about how pretty the football is (as wenger seems to think it is). its about the fans identifying with the team and being part of it. we feel like we are on the outside looking in these days, like being at the opera or something. the fans dont feel valued and now these comments make us feel even less valued. we are being pushed further and further from OUR club.
October 24, 2008 at 13:19
Hounddog, he took a lot of credit for the Stadium in the national press, on the Arsenal website and on the blogs.
No one ever comes out and says:
‘For the record I am taking all the credit.’
So the chances are you wont find a quote like that anywhere.
The point is… he had a big input into the stadium… so he has to take some responsibility for the atmosphere/lack of it.
Passing the buck onto the fans is no good is it? He is quite happy to brag about how well the club is run and how great the finances are… well, without us… he’d have none of that to brag about would he?
October 24, 2008 at 13:19
Did anyone actually go to the meeting yesterday ?!
I don’t think his comments are half as bad as people think they are, he’s just saying we’ve got a young team they need a bit of extra support, he believes in them and if everyone gets behind them he thinks they’ll deliver.
October 24, 2008 at 13:22
“Wenger’s ripped the soul out of our club..”
Yeah definetly, Spot On there.. We’re not a club anymore, we’re a Cinema, a theatre, some sort of viewing platform for an artistic forum.
October 24, 2008 at 13:23
I just read a Myles Palmer article about an article he going to write.
Le Grove: Saturday.
I am going write an amazing piece, so good… you may just explode.
I’m not writing it today though, I can’t be assed.
Cheers for clicking… ta ta!
October 24, 2008 at 13:26
Hah, Myles Palmer, what a cock, what did you make of that eh Pedro ? Is that what’s been going on here aswell ?!
October 24, 2008 at 13:26
Catch 22 though Keyser… If you have a good atmosphere, you earn fuck all… if you have good finances you sacrifice atmosphere.
What to do?
Who combines the two well?
It’s like seeing a band.
If you see them in a small venue, it’s buzzing… if you see them in a field in reading with 70,000 others… you lose something… it’s not the same…
It’s not the fans fault, it’s not the bands fault… what do you do though?
October 24, 2008 at 13:26
Keyser. what up?
There’s nothing to expand upon on my point yesterday. Brazil is not the gold standard for central midfielders. They churn out average ones year after year.
Can you imagine how poor a central midfield of Lucas Leiva and Denilson would be?
October 24, 2008 at 13:27
Keyser, it’s 7 days a week of all thriller no filler at Le Grove!
October 24, 2008 at 13:28
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October 24, 2008 at 13:30
support is based on community,it all starts there.
i can tell you that around were i sit i dislike about 5-10 people becasue of the shit that come’s out of there mouth.
things like sack wenger,moaning about adebayor everygame,any little thing and they are still moaning.
i respect diffrent people’s opinion but moaning for 90 mins aint gonna help!
i even try to stand up and look around a clinch my fists at people to try rally them up but they just look at you like some mental reject just been found on the street.
October 24, 2008 at 13:30
Just listening to the AST guy on Arseblog. The very defination of AKB.
October 24, 2008 at 13:30
Last week I am sure Lofty said on Arse TV that the shareholders meeting is on tonight.. Can anyone check coz me little girl is ill today so it’s Ceebie bloody Beebies on the samsung for a while yet!!
October 24, 2008 at 13:30
Eh, get them going, leave them glowing, and watch the sparks fly..
October 24, 2008 at 13:32
Pedro, that is an interesting analogy. And once again, it is about dialogue with your audience.
Go and see Springsteen at a stadium. The atmosphere is fantastic, same with the Stones.
Now try that with some of the more modern acts that rely so much of pre-recorded background stuff (Madonna, etc) and the atmosphere is non-existsent
The Boss gives his all to the audience. He talks, he knows you have paid big bucks to see him, and he delivers.
Same goes for Oasis.
October 24, 2008 at 13:32
Sunday avenell. Lofty was jive talking again.
October 24, 2008 at 13:34
wenger is smart he attacks the media and the fans so he can cover up any questions about the lack of Silverware, Player signings, Odd Player Selctions, and the Running of the club at boardroom level.
Nice going Mr Wenger.
October 24, 2008 at 13:38
Raddy, I’m just talking from a neutral perspective with bands…
I see bands all throughout the year in London… then you see them in a field and they lose something… it’s bigger, it’s not as intimate… still enjoyable, but not the same…
I think it’s the same at Arsenal.
The new seats are bigger, you’re not as tightly packed in… there isn’t that community feel their used to be.
Maybe that is becuase it takes a few years to get it together? Who knows…
October 24, 2008 at 13:39
I don’t think Wenger attacked anyone, it was an impassioned plea.
October 24, 2008 at 13:40
If wenger sticks Toure and Gallas at the back and denilson in midfield and RVP up front on Sunday, Arsenal will LOSE to a poor west ham side. he will do it, the stubborn mule. this is another reason he is losing support. the fans know he makes some pretty rubbish team selection decisions.
October 24, 2008 at 13:42
Avenell, thanks for watching it; it does kinda prove the point about lack of atmosphere.
October 24, 2008 at 13:43
So who would you play and why gazzap ?!
Paulinho – Is there really a gold standard, I just don’t think you can write off a whole countries central midfielders just like that.
October 24, 2008 at 13:45
I think people are in danger of turning into Republicans here. Out of context you are damning him like Rev Wright. He wasn’t demanding he was requesting, saying it is a fantastic young team and that young players frequently need a bit of support for a confidence boost. There was hearty applause from the gathered crowd so I think it is a bit harsh some of the reaction here today. In danger of becoming Fox news.
October 24, 2008 at 13:45
So what you’re saying is the grove faithful need to feel someone’s knees in their back and the buttocks of the fat guy next to you spilling over into your chair, before people will start singing again… interesting
October 24, 2008 at 13:50
fan noise…it was only last season SAF made a public bitch about lack of atmosphere at OT…actually compared it to going to a funeral…
bring back the terraces, rich fucks stay home…
October 24, 2008 at 13:51
Well, when people keep coming out with that old classic that because Denilson captained the Brazil under-19s he must be great, I can say to that, “well Brazilian central midfielders are in fact not that good”.
October 24, 2008 at 13:52
Alrite fair enough LoL,.
October 24, 2008 at 13:54
Seb, is that Sebastian Svard. Looks like it.
October 24, 2008 at 13:54
Keyser.. On the Brazil midfield debate.. Playing Gilberto and Baptista in the middle last year would indicate to me that they are not strong in that department.
October 24, 2008 at 13:58
Love your avatar Avenell
October 24, 2008 at 14:00
Cheers Raddy,, stood under it in the rain a few times mate.
October 24, 2008 at 14:02
Me too. Those were the days. Cotton shirts, magic sponge , etc etc
October 24, 2008 at 14:04
Remember Denton Raddy a year since he was killed?
October 24, 2008 at 14:04
hello all..
wenger just wants us to show a little love… i’m sure we can do that!!!
so what are your fine people’s teams for sunday?
October 24, 2008 at 14:05
Hi Pedro, yes that was a good point you made. However, as I said earlier, there are fans that empty the stadium 10 mins before and after the halft time. The P.A. announcer even has to say the 2nd half has started in an attempt to get them back in their seats. That is sad and I think that is what Wenger is refering to. When I go to a game here in Germany or any where in Europe I get all my stuff before or after the game and not during it. It reminds me of the prawn sandwich comment from Roy Keane sometime ago.
October 24, 2008 at 14:11
Imagine queuing 10 minutes to get your pint becuse you stayed till the end of the 1st half… then you get your £3.90 pint and you are expected to leave it?
Let people drink their booze in the ground… problem solved.
It’s nothing to do with Prawn sandwiches… you are just lucky enough to get beer delivered to your seat in Germany.
October 24, 2008 at 14:12
of course my 1242 post was edited by Geoff as I’m such an arse kisser
October 24, 2008 at 14:15
I do Avennell. I was shit scared whenever he was around me !! I would always give hiom a wide berth as he would attract trouble. But he was a true Gooner and always polite to me.
Just pleased I never crossed him !!
I was shocked when he died. Seemed like the passing of an era.
Off out, back later……
Hounddog. Perhaps they should start the 3 bell system they use in the theatre.
October 24, 2008 at 14:17
Let’s all laugh at the tiny totts;
They are bottom and face Bolton on Sunday at White Hart Lane, with dressing-room morale low following last night’s 2-0 UEFA Cup defeat to Udinese at Stadio Friuli.
”You aren’t too good to go down – believe me,” said Woodgate.
”I have seen it before at Leeds, and Leeds had a better team than we have got right now.
”They went down eventually and we really have got to roll up our sleeves without question, because I am telling you now it is going to be hard.
October 24, 2008 at 14:17
Relax folks.
With Diaby and Eduardo coming, 4-5-1 would be fine until the final 5 games which will be against Portsmouth, Manure and Chavs. Walcott and Nasri can only be our perfect wing set-ups in history. Leave Ade do the dirty job upfront. Not to mention Vela and Bendtner to push the forward options more. Wenger spending therefore only on centrebacks at the most. Traore can still be recalled. We can do the treble this season and best of all you arse gooners; Sp*rs gonna dead sure will be RELEGATED bwahahahaha!
You all should just have A BIG LAUGH YOUR ARSE OUT AT SP*RS!
WELCOME TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP, SP*RS. Let Woodgate Leeds your way down!
October 24, 2008 at 14:17
Pedro, another good point. In Germany we can have our beer in our seats and there is even someone who comes around selling it. However, again, do people go to the game to watch football or drink beer? Why can’t they drink before and after the game? Especially if the half time beverages take so long to get served.
October 24, 2008 at 14:19
yes it is Paulinho, another of our youngsters who promised much but didn’t deliver… here’s hoping the current crop can finally put some silverware in the cabinet.
October 24, 2008 at 14:22
Well you could carry on like this forever.
Why don’t Arsenal stop serving drinks full stop… people are only their to watch the game?
It’s easy to criticise when you don’t go.
People sacrifice a fair whack of their money and a fair whack of their time. If they want a drink at the game, that is no different to wanting a drink at a gig, theatre show or any other social event.
The buck stops with Arsenal I’m afraid.
October 24, 2008 at 14:25
Pedro – So what do you want Arsenal to do ? Is there any specific reason people aren’t allowed to drink in their seats ?!
October 24, 2008 at 14:31
1. Improve the time it takes to get a drink… Festivals have it sussed.
2. Have people wandering around selling soft drink in the stands… at least this stops people with kids leaving their seats.
3. Provide song sheets like they did at the DB10 testimonial
4. Create singing sections
5. Bring back a small amount of terracing. Instead of reallocating relinquished season tickets, see how many hand them in and make an area available for people to stand. Charge half the price, but double the capacity of that area… and listen to them sing!
That’s what I would want Arsenal to do.
October 24, 2008 at 14:31
Pedro.. I don’t like to keep going back “during the war and all that” But I can remember when the police didn’t even let us go for a piss at half time etc. and people used to piss where they stood..
And the police used to line us up in the tunnel under the clock end and kick fuck out of us on the way out.
Things change, but I suppose we only paid a quid to get in, but it does make me laugh when we are accused of not being real supporters because we cannot go much now.
October 24, 2008 at 14:33
Pedro, I hear you.. but I don’t like the it’s easy to criticise if you don’t go comment!! I am not criticisizing, just saying the way it is. I have spent a small fortune in tickets and travelling to away European games. I spent 1350 Euro’s for a ticket to the CL final against Barcelona so please don’t play that if you don’t go stuff with me as you don’t know me from adam and have no idea what games I attend. Sorry but those sort of remarks really piss me off.
October 24, 2008 at 14:39
CL final wasn’t at the Emirates.
I know that if you went you wouldn’t be having a pop at the people who have a drink and comparing it to Germany. There are reasons for everything… and you have to look a little deeper than people not being real fans.
Your prawn sandwich comment pissed me off… slagging people becuase they buy nicer seats is just digging at people for the sake of it. It shows a lack of understanding of the problems.
October 24, 2008 at 14:43
Big Raddy
Agree 100% about how quiet the emirates is compared to the old highbury
normal working people have been priced out. Where have all the old school
gone .we used to have a really good firm [jon hoy.vidos.jenkins.gurney and his aprentices] I wonder what happened to them I remember being in the old northbank
FA cup game replay v chavs never heard noise as loud as that couldnt speak for a
week after that .That was when we had proper support no one took libertys with us
then we easily had the best and biggest fans then .
October 24, 2008 at 14:43
Pedro just delete me from this site, it’s so good… I just can’t stop myself coming back! You are becoming a legend of blog land. I was not criticizing, you know I love the site fact is I’m not that smart, I keep complaing and keep coming back, bit of a twit really.
October 24, 2008 at 14:47
it sure is heated in here..
hounddog.. please dont leave…
October 24, 2008 at 14:48
Raif,
Hows the little ‘un buddy?
October 24, 2008 at 14:49
Where is the yellow card system!!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 14:49
I think that you’re wide of the mark here. The online Arsenal community that read – let alone post blogs – are part of what seems to be an increasing minority; top-quality Arsenal fans. We are the type of fans, who, as you say, buy the shirts, subscribe to the channel and bleed red and white. We’re the type who go to the Grove and try to create something resembling an atmosphere. At away matches, we often create a bigger racket than the home fans. If our home fanbase was filled with the likes of those who travel far and wide and do the team proud, then we’d regularly have noises and atmospheres to rival that of teams like Fenerbache.
The fans that Le Boss is having a dig at aren’t the type of fans who come to Le Grove or any other Arsenal blog. They’re the cunts who sit on their arse and complain when people near them dare make some noise to try and rouse the team. They’re the cunts who got into football when the media hype went into overload and football was the in-thing to be a fan of. They are, in case you haven’t realised by now, people who I don’t consider to be fans of Arsenal football club. They are in fact people who I consider to be cunts. These are the types of fans who Wenger is having a go at, and I am 100% behind him on this.
Granted, Wenger could have been a little more black and white with who he was calling out, and I’d have loved it if he specifically called them a pack of shits. But then, that alienates people and they think twice about whether they’re actually wanted, and the attendances drop, as does the revenue. Which would be suicidal from Wenger’s point.
However, I wholeheartedly agree; the stewards are almost as much of a problem as the Prawn Sandwich Brigade.
October 24, 2008 at 14:50
Hounddog that is a shame Bud, we all get a bit frustrated sometimes on here, but even if I don’t agree with all your comments I enjoyed the debate.
I’m sure it will calm down..
October 24, 2008 at 14:53
Hounddog, don’t let yourself become hounded out of town!
pardon the pun.
October 24, 2008 at 14:53
I had to double look then, I thought to myself I didn’t write all that did I?
Then I reaslied it was just Wrighty not Wrighty7!!
October 24, 2008 at 14:57
About the beer in seats thing; it’s a licensing issue. And fuck all to do with alcohol licenses. Want to know who to blame as to why you can’t drink in the stadium? Blame the TV channels. They’re not licensed to show people drinking. I don’t know whether this is Sky’s issue or if it’s because of over-sensitive censorship in Muslim countries (not at all a dig at Muslims – just TV channels that broadcast in Muslim regions), but TV licensing is where the blame for not being allowed to drink in your seat lies. Which makes it all the more baffling when Mike Ashley was pictured downing his pint.
October 24, 2008 at 14:59
At the end of the day… people sit on a waiting list for ten years, buy the most expensive ticket in the prem and they go to the games.
8000 tickets are ‘corporate’, the rest are normal seats.
Blaming the prawn sandwich brigade is a weak argument.
You want a £100million wage bill? You want a £20million player? You want a 60,000 seater stadium… accept there will be a corporate aspect to the ground.
Don’t blame them for the atmosphere though and don’t make our people who sit in club level are second class supporters. There are 40,000 people in the normal seats.
It’s surprising how it only gets heated when certain people turn up on the blog… if hounddog can’t blog without starting a row… that’s his fault and he can deal with it somewhere else.
October 24, 2008 at 14:59
Haha yeah. I’m grateful that a Wrighty that writes an Arsenal blog decided to add a number to his name. I can’t imagine not posting on the internet as Wrighty, lol
October 24, 2008 at 15:00
About my choice of term for the prawn sandwich brigage; I don’t mean this as just the corporate seats. I mean this as a generalising term for all of the jolly come latelies who have turned the level of support at Football stadiums into a joke.
October 24, 2008 at 15:00
Wrighty… it’s not TV licencing… we all saw the world cup and the beer in the stands!
I think it’s outdated hooligan laws.
October 24, 2008 at 15:01
Geoff will be pleased to hear that Wenger has totally ruled out signing beckham lol
October 24, 2008 at 15:03
Wrighty or Wrighty7? u becoming inconsistent
October 24, 2008 at 15:03
guys what the fuck is all this about Gallas smoking??????????? has anybody herd this???????????????????
October 24, 2008 at 15:03
oh u different scary stuff
October 24, 2008 at 15:03
http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/10/24/Prem-Wenger-on-Gallas/
October 24, 2008 at 15:04
Premier League licencing laws permit the drinking in public and Mike Asley was cautioned by the police.. Who let him off
October 24, 2008 at 15:06
Pedro, re: bands. Certain bands come into their own in a stadium. Look at AC/DC – their most famed performance of all time was at Donington. As a Metal fan, I make the voyage to Wacken festival in Germany every year – and when you see bands play there, they really do up their game and try to put on the show of their lives, as they know this is the pinnacle of where you play if you’re in a Metal band. It’s wrestled the crown away from Donington, which has lost its special feeling since Monsters of Rock was deserted and Ozzfest and Download turned it into a soulless wasteland.
In theory a bigger stadium doesn’t have an adverse effect on the people who would still be seeing what’s on display, bigger stadium or not. But, just by having the sheer number increase, you allowed the hardcore tenacity of the crowd to dilute.
October 24, 2008 at 15:07
AC/DC is the best band in the world!!! go buy their new album its ace…. arsenal need to embrace one of their songs before kick off instead of that elvis shite!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 15:08
It’s TV licensing for the Premier League. Obviously, other competitions aren’t involved in this (to my knowledge), however, the club are obviously going for consistency in the ruling for booze being allowed into the seating area.
October 24, 2008 at 15:10
Great point Wrighty.
What would you do to make it louder?
October 24, 2008 at 15:10
Love you Professor
Geoff & Pedro shame on you. Just a week or two ago you were commenting on droves of fans leaving games early, and the prawn cocktail brigade arriving 10 mins after halves have started or departing to fill their glasses.
Surely Arsene cannot lambast individual sections of the fans so he speaks in a manner which is coded but should affect those who need to hear.
Dont take it to heart and also don’t assume those of us who follow the Football Guru are dimwitted or just started supporting yesterday. Many of us fans are like you. We want succes first, but are elated by the fact that when Arsenal play right they are unmatchable for pure pleasure (barring punani of course). So where I imagine we differ, is should we respect Wenger’s choices when things don’t go right. My answer to this is simple. The Spuds like to change the lead whenever a storm arises; The Toons are haemorraging after so many years of this. But Wenger has managed to place us in an exalted state simply because he does actually have the majority of the team right.
I’ve previously mentioned my ongoing problem with Adebayor. But Wenger sees him in training and also studies the statistics.
Then Denilson. Yes he has shown naivete on too many crucial decisions and goals against have occurred, so why is Wenger keeping with him over Ramsey? Well Ramsey demonstrated why in Turkey! Albeit an excellent player, he is prone to get cocky or dare I say it display arrogance (take the back heel for instance).
Song can sing for his supper elsewhere and that leaves the Gallas/ Toure debate. Well actually, problem only arose once Gallas came to Arsenal. That year he got injured and we had our best defensive pairing as Senderos/ Toure. So imagine what Toure could do with Gjourou.
I’ve gone on a bit but I want to say if you label me as AKB i dont care. My point is Mourinho picked winners with Abrams vast pockets and Chelsea were boring. Fergie is a team raider and shouldn’t be over credited than that. and Beni’s vision only seems to be on cue right now, before the chavs game so with our lack of a benefactor, our sensible wage structure, our youthful policy which has managed to snare Fabby, Theo, Vela and Ramsey and our dedication to play the game the right way for want of a better phrase you know Arsene knows best.
October 24, 2008 at 15:11
On the music point… metal and hard rock is made for festivals… and metal fans are like the Fener fans… fucking mental!
So you have win win for an atmosphere.
October 24, 2008 at 15:12
Franchise,
There is me WRIGHTY7 and Wrighty. We share the same fantastic name!
October 24, 2008 at 15:12
He wasn’t smoking, it wasn’t alight!!
He was caught leaving a nightclub on wednesday night with a “fag”in his gob but it wasn’t lit..
Toure, Djourou at the back Clichy captain sorted….
October 24, 2008 at 15:13
Pedro, you talking to me or Wrighty?
HA HA
October 24, 2008 at 15:16
Sadly I don’t have any great ideas on how to make the atmosphere any better at the Grove. The only thing that really springs to mind is to just try and get more people involved. The RedAction section is a good idea, however slightly flawed I feel; as it obviously doesn’t get the whole stadium into song. Perhaps a varied form of the RedAction section – smaller, but more sections spread out throughout the ground. I imagine it’d be difficult for people who are sat at the opposite end from the RedAction to get involved in singing – whether due to feeling like a pillock due to being a sore thumb or just because it’s hard to sing with someone who’s hundreds of feet away from you, haha.
I’m sure the club could easily fix the noise issue by doing a bit of research. With the Sports Psychology and Sciences studies that are undertaken these days, I’m sure the club could spend a few bob into looking how best to get the crowd involved. I would offer my two cents on how, but I didn’t pay nearly enough attention in my Psychology classes!
October 24, 2008 at 15:18
why did he have a fag in his mouth then????? thats like saying i had a dildo up my arse but i didnt fuck myself with it!!!
October 24, 2008 at 15:19
I didn’t kenny, I swear I don’t know how it got there!
October 24, 2008 at 15:20
Kush you will be labelled as an AKB if you finish your massive rants with “arsene knows best”
October 24, 2008 at 15:20
Kenny let’s not bring ex Arsenal players into this.
Wrighty sorry mate cannot stand heavy metal but I do like the word “pillock”
October 24, 2008 at 15:20
lol pedro
October 24, 2008 at 15:21
Again with the music: I always prefer to see bands in smaller, intimate venues rather than at a festival or a stadium – you tend to get better sound indoors, especially at theater venues like the Hammy O or the Astoria (RIP soon
). But still!
It’s great being a Wright, ain’t it Wrighty7?
October 24, 2008 at 15:21
The day a franchise7 8 9 or 10 appears on le-grove Im taking legal actions
October 24, 2008 at 15:22
Haha, no worries Avenell – each to their own and all that, eh?
October 24, 2008 at 15:24
and start it ‘Love you professor’
October 24, 2008 at 15:25
Gallas is stupid. going to clubs and being pictured with a ciggy…fool. I dont like the man anyway. Chelsea twat cant even win a header.
Keyser, well I probably wouldn’t have Toure AND Gallas back in. Gallas or Toure with Silvestre or Djourou. then you have a ball winner and a quick man to cover in behind.
I personally wish we had 2 Djourou’s, one to play at the back and one in midfield, but we’ve only got one and he cant even get a f*cking game! If Johan is used in midfield then I dont give a damn who is at the back to be honest because he wont let any f*cker come through that far and he can dominate at set pieces while Toure and Gallas are picking daisies.
I would also use either Vela or Bentner up top with Ade – given its west ham and its physical Bendtner. Diaby is OK in a 451 as the most attacking midfielder but I dont see his role in a 4-4-2. RVP slows our game down as he needs to take 3 touches to get the ball on his left peg.
So the obvious WHU team is
Almunia
Eboue Toure Gallas/Silvestre Clichy
Walcott Cesc Djourou Nasri
Ade Bendtner
October 24, 2008 at 15:26
Meanwhile, the Emirates chief played down any suggestion that he has been critical of the fans’ lack of vocal support for the North Londoners, blaming for the newspapers for their reporting of his comments.
“There’s no real issue,” he affirmed. “I wanted, in fact, to be positive as there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic.
“We want your complete support at Emirates and for you to be behind the team so we can achieve success his year, not next year, as we don’t want to take the fact that the team is young as an excuse.”
Kenny – That was at the bottom of the link aswell, thanks dude.
October 24, 2008 at 15:27
Hellooooooooooo Grovers!!
It’s Friday!!!!!
I’ve been at work since 8, and only actually worked 3.5 hours!! I love pub lunches, 4 hours of nothing but vino, peroni and taking th piss outta the spuds!!
Pissed as fcuk!! Ha ha!!
Right, will read the post and some comments and be right back!!!
:mr green:
October 24, 2008 at 15:28
Great news; Sanga could be back on Sunday. Can’t see Wenger risking bringing him back too early, but the fact he’s made a speedy recovery can’t be a bad thing.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/sagna-has-small-chance-of-facing-west-ham
October 24, 2008 at 15:34
Kenny Smith
No rants just observations.
Just deplore the incessant ‘friendly fire’ we exhibit at times here. Most of us who admit to conceding to the genius of The Professor are being steam rolled over on Le Grove. Its time for all those, who were like me, afraid to post, to come out and say. We’re here, we follow Arsenal under the stewardship of the Professor. Our leader wishes to guide us and set us aright. Come season end, all of us hopes he does.
October 24, 2008 at 15:35
If we have a couple of the central defenders back and are a bit more assured, it could be ok to give Eboue another game there, attacking wise he does well when playing at right back and gives us a different outlet to Sagna.
October 24, 2008 at 15:36
Kush, that is so embarrassing…
When you reread that last comment, I hope you are ashamed.
October 24, 2008 at 15:37
mmm Peroni, just an hour to go. My local has just got Peroni on pump too! Granted about 2 months later than most places but heh im not complaining
October 24, 2008 at 15:38
Still catching up folks, and slighty worse for wear… have we now got 2 Wrightys?!!
How confusing!!
O dub!! there’s only one O dub, there’s only one O dub, there’s only one O dub!!
October 24, 2008 at 15:40
Pedro,
AW said we need a guide and offered himself up for it. A guide is a leader like a manager. If he guides us then we’ll have won the premiership or maybe CL. Pedro, are you embarassed by that possibility? I know i’m not
October 24, 2008 at 15:42
Kush…
Words fail me mate!
October 24, 2008 at 15:42
Pedro,
censorship at its worst. So really what yur saying is b’c I think independently that i’m now designated deserving of moderation. Grow up! but editing posts is good especially when you’re a knob like me.
October 24, 2008 at 15:44
Kush please… stop…
October 24, 2008 at 15:46
‘We’re here, we follow Arsenal under the stewardship of the Professor.’
Independent thinking at it’s best Kush.
October 24, 2008 at 15:46
Kush I’ve never said anything about the prawn sandwich brigade because the phrase was coined by a complete cunt who’s wages were paid by the prawn sandwich brigade, people using the term are also cunts because without them people like you wouldn’t be watching the football we now see.
If you want to whine, go and do it somewhere where people give a toss, I sure as hell don’t.
Hounddog just for the record your 2.12 and your 2.43 posts were also edited.
October 24, 2008 at 15:50
Kush why should u be afraid to air your views? That is hard to understand. It seems its already a problem that Arsene is bigger than the club in a lot of ppls mind. A lot of ppl saw Arsenal win stuff pre-Wenger. I dont understand this Arsene can never be wrong attitude that a lot of fans have. It is beyond me
October 24, 2008 at 15:50
Anyway…..
Predictions for Sunday?
I’m going for 2-1 to the arse!!
October 24, 2008 at 15:51
Sorry Grovers but reading that shit was getting tedious. Listen Kush, this isn’t run by the public domain, it’s run by me and Pedro and listening to someone picking holes in what we write pisses me off.
We gave you plenty of goes but you wanted to be the center of attention, not here you won’t, try Arsenal.com
October 24, 2008 at 15:52
Afternoon al,Have I walked into a cauldron or what ?
Interesting to Here the one and only DB10 saying he would like to coach at Arsenal,bring him on,but never to be a manager unless it’s for PL only(no flying).he is and was the greatest man to wear an Arsenal shirt in the last 15 years,elequent,loyal and a wonderful player(signed by bruce Roich,who got sacked yesterday.)
Does Pat Rice actually speak after 40= years at Arsenal,never heard him give an interview.
Anu other news folks.
October 24, 2008 at 15:52
Wengers is a total wanker, his comments about the fans are out of order and a reflection on him. Had his football had any substance to it then people could get up for it but he has killed us off. We are not even exciting anymore. Yes 5 -2 against Fener the other night was good but was losing to Hull and Fulham, was scraping by WBA? The AKB’s just cant see that winners like Mourinho, Ferguson and co kick players arses, buy and develop and sell at the right time. Wengers tight wad philosophy pays the bills, big fucking deal, we have always paid the bills so how have we moved forwards?
Last week I had this total arse behind me telling me that I was not a real fan because I dared question eboue. I told him to fuck off of course and said that had he not been at his first ever game then perhaps he might realise what being an Arsenal supporter was all about. He tried telling me that arsenal would be at the bottom of the league without Wenger. Where do we get these idiots from, I really don’t know. I layed into him with a bit of a barrage and he didnt say anything more but this is a prime example of the wank support that we have.
I’m afraid to say that we will not move on with Wenger in charge in fact I think we will struggle to get in the top four this season. We will lose 12 out of 18 points against liverpool Man U and Chelsea who are the big three, we are not part of the big four anymore they are the big three.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Tottenham got something against us to be honest but they really are super shite and will probably not but then the AKB’s will just harp on about how great Wenger is and so on.
We will get knocked out of the League and FA cups but they will say they dont matter. Whichever we are out of first be it the league or the champions league they will say the other is more important and then when we are out of everything they will see at least we have entertaining football. They so full of shit their breath stinks.
What all of the AKB’s dont get is that arsenal is arsenal wenger is an employee. We support arsenal and show our concerns, they just bury their heads nd say george graham was a wanker, herbert chapman doesnt matter, is there anything more direspectful than that. These people have no real love for Arsenal but are galvanised by their adoration of wenger and therefore are unable to actually understand or see that whilst they say the future is bright they seem to miss the point that the future is also in question as the slippery slope of failure is upon us and we need to fight out of it. Problem is that they will not listen because they want to be right, a but like their hero so all in all you are dealing with blinkered single minded sheep who do not have the ability to form their own opinions. What a sad situation that is when people cannot form their own views.
Last week a lot of people were having a pop at wenger, this is becoming more and more apparent. You look around when they sing to wenger, many people are now just not singing to him. The time is upon this club to seriously look. If wenger is to stay then he needs to get with the times. I say bring Kroenke on board fully. He will set wenger performance related targets. Wenger will be at PSG before you can say garlic breath.
October 24, 2008 at 15:52
Im going to be optomistic and say after an early goal we’ll go on to win 3 -0
October 24, 2008 at 15:52
Pedro/ Geoff
What you did to my 3.42 post was uncalled for. As i had not defames either of you.
Geoff I dont quite understand your reference to Prawn Sandwich and cunts but i’ll imagine you are casting aspersions as to me. It’s a shame, that the best blog site that i’ve found for Arsenal will not allow people to expreess themselves.
October 24, 2008 at 15:53
Sorry about the length of my last post.
October 24, 2008 at 15:54
Boy that was a long one Inspector C, welcome to our world!
October 24, 2008 at 15:55
Another thing I keep hearing is that Wenger was instrumental in building the new stadium,he wasn’t.
October 24, 2008 at 15:55
Geoff – What’s wrong with people picking holes in what you write ?!
Kelsey – Have you watched the video of his interview ? The mans a Legend, he’s kind of smiling when he’s asked about coming back..
October 24, 2008 at 15:55
He thinks he was though Kelsey
October 24, 2008 at 15:56
Nothing, but when they keep coming back with ‘and another thing’ it get on my nerves and all they want is a row.
October 24, 2008 at 15:57
2-0 will do for me… save some goals for wednesday..
October 24, 2008 at 15:58
geez.. guys.. it is a warzone… !! we all support the same club you know!
October 24, 2008 at 15:58
Anyway Keyser, who says he’s a legend? I don’t think he was kind of smiling and how do you know it was really him in the video, and how do you know it wasn’t made up, and how can you say you want him back, what about Arsene, do you hate him etc, etc
October 24, 2008 at 15:58
Yes Wrighty, it is great being a Wright mate!
October 24, 2008 at 15:59
I hope you know I was being ironic!
October 24, 2008 at 16:00
Geoff,
I thought Wenger built the stadium with his own bare hands after training. Isn’t this true then?
October 24, 2008 at 16:00
Geoff – That’s what happens when you have a blog, how many of the comments on here are venting frustrations ? I’m sure you’ve vented plenty yourself. when people get heated there’s going to be plenty of arguments.
October 24, 2008 at 16:02
Not this blog Keyser, that’s why we have so many comments from nice people, they feel safe on here because we protect them from people that like to blog bully, even Wrighty’s doing it now!
October 24, 2008 at 16:03
Wrighty he did have a hard hat in a picture once!
October 24, 2008 at 16:03
Here’s a poser,
does anyone think that Chelsea will end our unbeaten 49 game record? Can you believe the last team to beat them in the league was us, last December!!
I fucking hope they don’t, just thinking of John “I’m well ‘ard” Terry and Frank “I only score deflected goals” Lampards smug faces in smashing our record makes the blood boil!
October 24, 2008 at 16:04
Sorry to break up all your arguments guys but i can’t be bothered with it today.
Does anyone know what all the buildings surrounding the Gove listed ‘required by Arsenal football club’ are going to be used for?
October 24, 2008 at 16:04
Was that sarcasm ?!
October 24, 2008 at 16:11
DH16 … Probably going to be a new wing to the Emirates hospital for the sick and injured around europe..
October 24, 2008 at 16:13
Some are for essential housing, Police, nurses etc
October 24, 2008 at 16:15
Blase Matuidi, Xabi Alonso, Gorkhan Inler, who knows how many more?
What al this tells us is that Wenger doesn’t believe the current squad is strong enough and he thinks the fans are ignorant enough not to see that to.
He believes we need the crowd more than ever to offset our lack of quality and experience, which is why he has made these comments.
The problem is the fans know a bunch of losers when they see them and the new stadium is not conducive to cajoling.
I think the season could turn ugly very soon.
October 24, 2008 at 16:16
Blimey Riley, theres a whole lot of ’stuff’ going on today……
Hello
October 24, 2008 at 16:17
And where have you been to stop it? hello Rico! Don’t worry the problems have gone.
October 24, 2008 at 16:20
Too pissed to blog seriously folks.
Sorry but my typing,languagse and general chatis going to be even crappier than usuall!
Geoff,
Kush was good for a couple mopre copmments..Come on let him back on!
I found his ‘our leader’ posts amusing (and disturbing!!)
October 24, 2008 at 16:23
Geoff, i went to the game last Saturday, got up five minutes early before half time so we could get a beer, had a lovely prawn sandwich, sat quietly for the rest of the afternoon’s entertainment, then left ten minutes before full time to get home early, only to find a queue at the tube………
Only kidding, thought i would have a cheeky comment on the debate of today
October 24, 2008 at 16:24
where are the jokes today?!!!!
October 24, 2008 at 16:28
Sorry Rico!!
As an airplane is about to crash, a female passenger jumps up frantically and announces, “If I’m going to die, I want to die feeling like a woman.”
She removes all her clothing and asks, “Is there someone on this plane who is man enough to make me feel like a woman?”
A man stands up, removes his shirt and says, “Here, iron this!”.
October 24, 2008 at 16:28
If you had have I would have seen you at the bar! Odub the last time I let one stay on I lost GMR!
October 24, 2008 at 16:31
True Geoff. Shame he never came back either. Top bloke GMR.
October 24, 2008 at 16:34
I come on, and everyone fcuks off! Charming!
October 24, 2008 at 16:35
So O dub, you dashing suave good looking fella, what you up to this weekend?
October 24, 2008 at 16:35
Well…
October 24, 2008 at 16:35
Not sure you know, how about you?
October 24, 2008 at 16:36
Might do some gym work and watch some footie, that’s about it really..
October 24, 2008 at 16:37
That sounds boring….
October 24, 2008 at 16:38
I know…. I am almost 40 you know…. almost an old boy tbh, and I havent got any mates… I even blog by myself… I think I need a hug….
October 24, 2008 at 16:38
aaaaaaahhhhhh……..
October 24, 2008 at 16:39
I know… sad isnt it…
October 24, 2008 at 16:43
Odub i will talk to you any suggestions
October 24, 2008 at 16:43
Odub – no need for the apology, that was funny
Good lunch then, I am envious
October 24, 2008 at 16:43
rico long time no see (a bit like sicknote)
October 24, 2008 at 16:44
Kelsey!!!
Finally!
We’re lacking in jokes today…Any good ones?
October 24, 2008 at 16:46
Rico,
I think I might have overdone the vino this time…Mainly because there was 5 of us, 2 were spuds and we didnt realise we’d been taking the mick out of them for almost 4 hours!!! Was worth it though!! Havent laughed so much since…well, havent laughed sop much full stop!
October 24, 2008 at 16:47
hi kelsey – grim week and kept myself away, did read though.
Great result on Tuesday, cheered me up a tad, just what the dr ordered
October 24, 2008 at 16:47
A little boy and his grandfather are raking leaves in the yard. The little boy sees an earthworm trying to get back into its hole. He says, “Grandpa, I bet I can put that worm back in that hole.” The grandfather replies, “I’ll bet you five dollars you can’t. It’s too wiggly and limp to put back in that little hole.”
The little boy runs into the house and comes back out with a can of hair spray. He sprays the worm until it is straight and stiff as a board. The boy then proceeds to put the worm back into the hole. The grandfather hands the little boy five dollars, grabs the hair spray and runs into the house.
Thirty minutes later the grandfather comes back out and hands the boy another five dollars. The little boy says, “Grandpa, you already gave me five dollars.” The grandfather replies, “I know. That’s from your Grandma.”
October 24, 2008 at 16:49
: What do Pool Fans and sperm have in common?
: One in 2,000,000 has a chance of becoming a human being.
West Ham’s keeper is such a useless cunt, he couldnt catch thrush
: Whats the ideal weight for a Man United supporter?
3 pounds……including the urn!
October 24, 2008 at 16:52
Hope they took it well Odub, the few Spuds I know are not very good at taking a bit of banter, sadly they only have the Cc defeat to bring up over and over again, sad eh
And its good to laugh, especially at their performances at the moment.
Many bloggers were envious of the Spuds getting Gomes, I was always glad we had Almunia… Gomes is pretty poor right now
Really hope they lose again this weekend, as dont want them to have any confidence when they come to us Wednesday – who have they got, any idea?
October 24, 2008 at 16:55
A Man walks home from a long day at work only to get hit in the head with a frying pan by his wife.
In a Few hours, the man comes to, and he asks his wife, “What the f*ck was that all about?!”
His wife says, “I found a piece of paper in your pocket that said Debbie with a phone number!”
The man explains” honey, that was my racehorse, Debbie! I went to the track yesterday and bet on her!”
The man’s wife apologizes sincerely.
The next day, the man comes home from work to get a lamp broken on his head.
He says “what the f*ck was that for?!”
His wife says, “Your racehorse called!!!!!”
October 24, 2008 at 16:55
What do you get if you put the girlfriends of a dozen Liverpool fans in one room?
A: full set of teeth!
October 24, 2008 at 16:55
Odub, you though your arrival drove everyone away, I think its mine!
October 24, 2008 at 16:57
Well does anyone dispute the fact that there’s a lack of atmosphere at the Grove?
I think Wenger was rather referring to that than slagging of the supporters.
The crowd isn’t very noisy, leave early to catch a train, boo the players when they don’t score shitloads of goals….that can be annoying I’m sure.
October 24, 2008 at 16:57
Rico,
They got even more pissed than we were, just to try and dull the pain!! Good on em though, I would have left after 10 minutes!! lol!!
October 24, 2008 at 16:59
Rico,
It’s died a death on here!
Right, I’m offski! Have a good one folks,and 2-1 on sunday for me!!
Come on you reds!
October 24, 2008 at 17:01
Odub – ditto, I wouldnt be able to take it for that long, the mickey taking i mean
I get really down if we lose, they must be good eggs so to speak – and how come you are not yet in a coma after all that booze, I would be fast alseep, and would need 2-3 days to recover – i must be getting too old!!
October 24, 2008 at 17:01
That gomes is pure rubbish,I am still laughing how he chinned corluka and knocked him spark out at stoke.I reckon he is worse than robinson and that’s saying something.3 reds in a week another one on sunday and it will be interesting to see who turns out for them next week.
on a more serious note,it looks lke all 4 PL will qualify,is Platini tearing his hair out expecting anot all english final.proves again how strong the PL is,mybe inter and barca as well,but he will do everything to make life harder for the englsh clbs.her
October 24, 2008 at 17:02
Have a good one Odub -
October 24, 2008 at 17:04
Almunia any day for me, and would be my choice for Captain aswell.
October 24, 2008 at 17:06
Sorry guys been busy all day and can’t be arsed to read all of the comments today so apologies if I’m raking over old ground. Wenger misses the point about the noise levels and the fans involvement. These ’silent’ fans are saving his bacon. If we were more collectively more vociferous and honest about our chances (other than the enlightened that converse here) given our current plight then he would be seriously under more pressure than he is now.
So what does Wenger want? We can’t vet ticket sales and as much as I hate the ‘new’ fan and their holier than thou ‘theatre’ demeanour we can’t make ‘em sing.
He’s fucking lucky he doesn’t manage the Geordies
On a lighter note Ramos thinks he’ll get more points on the pools this weekend than Spurs will get this season.
October 24, 2008 at 17:07
Kush I just read your 3.48 post and I’ll let you back on, but that was a yellow card, come on and discuss but cut out the arguing, we run this for fun, not to get into ding dongs.
October 24, 2008 at 17:08
Apparently Wenger said he wasn’t having a go at the fans, he must have read Le Grove as Pedro tells me we’re the only blog that had a moan.
October 24, 2008 at 17:12
I don’t really think Wenger retracted anything. He just repeated the same thing in different words. Cheeky bastard
October 24, 2008 at 17:13
Geoff, the missus is a shareholder and went yesterday. Apparently, when he stood up to talk the audience was quite mute and he remarked that it reminded him of Saturday’s crowd. However, my point still stands. The lack of vocal support and this unwavering support from the majority of the crowd takes a huge amount of pressure of his shoulders.
October 24, 2008 at 17:16
Geoff, Le Grove has its pundits, but the reality is that folks are much more “honest” in my honest opinion.
October 24, 2008 at 17:19
So I had a heated debate with a buddy of mine who is blind to anything other than Chelsea. He went on and on about how they were going to win it all . . . bla bla bla. Geoff/Pedro, I would love to see a poll that asks: What is Arsenal going to win this season?
1. EPL
2. CL
3. FA Cup
4. EPL and CL
5. Nothing
Truthfully, unless we kick into high gear and run the course for the rest of the season in the EPL, along with taking points from all of the big 4, I am not sure I see us wining the league . . . but the CL . . . that is a different story.
October 24, 2008 at 17:24
I have stated many times on here,that the crowd where we sit at club level are useless.More interested in what they can get to eat and drink.People should not be allowed to return to their seats if they are late coming back.
October 24, 2008 at 17:26
Sarge I am too but I never go, saying that I think I would’ve stood up and asked him the last time he paid to go to a game, sarcastic prick.
Maryland, if he persists with Song I suspect we’ll win fuck all, if he buys a world class centre back and play Djourou, we could win the lot, that’s my view anyway.
October 24, 2008 at 17:28
Paul, since I am nowhere near London, I have to sit in a pub and watch the games on TV each week. We yell, sing, cheer . . . we are cheering from the other side of the pond. My wife and I will be seeing our first few games, in person, in November, and I can’t fathom spending my time munching or drinking . . . I am there for the game.
But, so you have some perspective, in the US, it is the same way with baseball or “football.” People spend more time eating and drinking than they do watching the game. I think that this is the plight of sports in today’s age of “instantaneous information,” and “over stimulation.”
October 24, 2008 at 17:30
I think we are more set up to win the CL, we have a short but quick defence thet suits europe and when we played 4-5-1 on tuesday we looked good and the european teams are not used to the Ade type attackers.
But really I think we are too inconsistant to win anything, but I live in hope..
October 24, 2008 at 17:31
The biggest issue is that this is now a corporate sport and being a London club emphasises this. There is a massive contradiction between Arsene’s views and the board’s. The board want to flood the ground with free spending corporate twunts and fuck the ‘dyed in the wool’ supporter who can only afford a game once in a while. That’s the trade off between the commercial model and the romantic ‘ football clubs for the supporter’ model. It works in the lower leagues but not in the Prem anymore. Erstwhile it impacts the atmosphere in the ground as the average ‘Joe’ is pushed out and ‘Clive’ and his brigade with fuck all loyalty, sense of history and knowledge take over
October 24, 2008 at 17:31
Listen BOSS TAKE A LOOK AROUND read the Papers watch TV, listen to the Radio
we are in a RECESSION !!!!!!!
now more than ever its up TO YOU AND THE TEAM to get us fans out of our seats ,chanting singing, clapping,The cost of tickets are riddiculous so DONT YOU DARE have a go at us fans when you take our money .
Its not a time for patience its a time for DELIVERING !!!!
October 24, 2008 at 17:34
All I gotta say is….
October 24, 2008 at 17:53
Change of subject;
I’ve been away for a few days. Can anyone tell me if the spuds will still finish TOP 4 ??
October 24, 2008 at 17:57
Sarge – What did your missus say ? Did he really blast the fans as the tabloids would have us believe ?!
October 24, 2008 at 17:58
Geoff – LoL you crack me up, what do you think he would’ve said after you’d just asked your question and called him a sarcastic prick ?!
October 24, 2008 at 18:01
Double, no team other than Southampton has been able to claw their way out of the spot that Tottenham are in right now. Tottenham will very likely get relegated this season . . . crazy to imagine.
October 24, 2008 at 18:09
So Arsene has come out and asked fans to get behind the boys each week, I say, AND?? Is it really such a big thing, everyone knows that the fans can be a 12th man on the pitch, and i think that is what he is striving for – yes, he has said it in such a way that some are pretty peeved and i can understand
why is it not as noisy as Highbury, so many reasons, the layout, the stewards, fans leaving early, arriving late…. etc etc – well maybe whoever manages the stewards will have taken on board his comments, and stop trying to be party poopers – deal with the hooligans, not the passionate fans… I wont hold my breath though.
I dont, cant go to THOF football at every opportunity, I wish I could – and yes I am an armchair viewer, but this doesnt mean I love the club any less. The few times I have been -it has been quiet, in comparrison to Highbury, but its bigger, the fans are scattered and it takes a collective bunch of folks to make a choir!!
I am not at the ‘Arsene out’ stage, like us, he has the freedom of speech, but i would if i could ask him to look at what goes on in ‘the seats’ to understand why its quiet, maybe then he would understand.. He talked also about not ruling out a signing in January – well that means nothing does it really, he said many things in the summer which never proved fruitful, but he insists he tried!…..
Arsene turned this club around once, and I will never lose sight of that, but we have been having a frustrating few seasons – his words make me wonder… is he on the verge of turning us around again, one more time, he tells us to be louder, roar on the players…. Give them the belief that they can do it and experience a trophy, a player or two in Jan to bulster the squad, cover injuries or rest some tired old legs – and most importantly see us over the finishing line – may just be the start of the next chapter in Arsene Wengers life at our club…………………
Then again ……………
October 24, 2008 at 18:26
well i for one was shouting like a looney at eth weekend, people around me were even laughing at me/with me, its funny he said that at teh shareholders meeting
October 24, 2008 at 19:04
Imagine AW as a fan, not a manager.
Do you think he would be one of the fans singing, or one of those admiring the play, and telling his mate how shit Song is?
I know what I think …….
You know I am right.
October 24, 2008 at 19:05
It’s all gone quiet over here……
You only blog when you’re winning
October 24, 2008 at 19:17
Fuck it. I am going to open a nice bottle of Red., but will be here is anyone fancies some banter.
October 24, 2008 at 19:18
Yo Big Raddy – hope all is well with you
Blame me, my comment scared everyone off, and i think he would be commenting on Song!
October 24, 2008 at 19:19
Raddy – I have been absent all week, its hard……………………..
October 24, 2008 at 19:20
You go for it Raddy, and enjoy
October 24, 2008 at 19:20
Bloomin Henry Raddy, how long does it take you to open a bottle….
October 24, 2008 at 19:21
Well, I am glad mine was a screw top – its much easier and a lot quicker…… and its tastes ok too
October 24, 2008 at 19:23
i feel like the donkey on Shrek…………… I’m all alone…………….
Hey Ho – or EEEEEEEEEEee OOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR
Good time to have my dinner i guess, 1 Portion of hay coming up……. Yum Yum
October 24, 2008 at 19:24
What a treat, the better half is cooking – Ive got Carrots
October 24, 2008 at 19:28
Dum De Dum De Dum De Dum
Dum De Dum De Do Do…….
Anyone listen to The Archers
October 24, 2008 at 19:34
hello rico
October 24, 2008 at 19:38
This talk of atmosphere reminds me of roy keane’s prawn sandwich brigade remark.
He conveniently forgot they pay a lot of his wages and if he thinks a prawn sandwich is uppper class in any way it shows what a fucking pikey he is.
October 24, 2008 at 19:39
Hi Choy, Rico
October 24, 2008 at 19:46
choy – hello, how are you, no doubt you are wondering why your delivery has yet to arrive, I promise, it will – honestly
October 24, 2008 at 19:47
gm – evening to you, my turn to go now, dinner calls and looms very soon, its nice to be cooked for, for a change
be good all – catch up again soon
October 24, 2008 at 19:54
Smokin’ Bill..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1080411/No-smoking-sil-vous-plait-Arsenal-boss-Wenger-rages-Gallas-cigarette-antics.html
October 24, 2008 at 19:58
Johnny Hollins would have a baby!!! remember that Big Raddy..
October 24, 2008 at 19:58
hey gm.. hows it going?
I think we need to realize that when we built the new stadium.. the hardcore fans would never be able to afford to go to every game!
Again the whole thing has been taken out of context.. wenger was simply referring to how quiet the people were at the AGM meeting and just compared it to the game on saturday against Everton!
What wenger needs to realize is that the fans will not be patient in this modern day of fast food and fast result society that we have created for ourselves. Wenger started this youth thing as we needed to move to a new stadium and now its become an obsession, whether he entirely trusts them or not is a different thing.
I also think that wenger said that he would sign players in the DM and CB position which was why we lost out last season did not actually materialise! And no silvestre was not the signing.
Also the lack of unity within our players.. them leaving for other clubs… ade whoring himself out…
Our lack of a decent captain a leader.. so wenger does need to have a hard look.
I somehow also feel that wenger just wanted to give the players the backing! simply!
October 24, 2008 at 20:03
I’m quite an armchair fan myself but from what I’ve heard people who’d stoodthen sat together for years were split up which would kill a lot of atmosphere.
October 24, 2008 at 20:04
btw I’d love to be able to afford to smoke again. these footballers are so insensitive
October 24, 2008 at 20:09
gm.. that would be expected i think.. you cannot have a mix and match of fans…!
they should create specific zones for different people.. being a hardcore fan among tourists would certainly be wierd!
October 24, 2008 at 20:10
gallas
what a captain he is proving to be!
October 24, 2008 at 21:05
Sorry. I got over enthusiastic on the red wine ( a fine bottle of Chateau Piss),
Rico… I apologise, as I am sure you are aware, a man on the lash is good for nothing.
Gallas says the cigarette wasn’t lit. Bit like Clinton not inhaling a joint !!
October 24, 2008 at 21:14
John Hollins. There’s a name I had forgotten. I could never forgive him for being a Chav. (Weird because I never thought of GG in the same way) Bit like Alan Ball, who was Everton, despite being AFC captain.
Strange how that works. Henry was a Gooner from DB10 the same. Wrighty was never Palace, he was Arsenal. But sometimes the transfer doesn’t gel. Does anyone think of Owen as a Newcastle man? Or Sol as Pompey. Or Ballack as a Chav?
This is fun – I could go on for sometime….
October 24, 2008 at 21:18
Hollins stood at the clock end when he made aa anti-smoking advert for the goverment in the early eighties..
When he came out the clock end used to sing “he don’t drink he don’t smoke” “what does he do” to the Adam Ant record that was about at the time.
October 24, 2008 at 21:19
Evening all,
strange in a space of a week Gallas comes out about he reacted last february after the Eduardo injury and now smoking an unlit fag,next thing he will be saying he wants to play for a successful team,if you get my drift.
Clichy will be our next captain.
One can’t reproduce the atmosphere we had at highbury in a modern state of the art stadium,nearly double the size.
October 24, 2008 at 21:21
Will Gallas ever lose the smell of Chav?
Is Ashley still a Gooner to the Chavs ?
When Brady went to WHU, did anyone think of him as anything but a Gooner?
TH14 may be at Barca, but we all know he bleeds Red& White. As does Bobby P.
TA may be at Pompey, but we all know where he belongs …..
October 24, 2008 at 21:21
Ah, Raddy – you have a yellow card from me for abandoning me
But hey, it was for a bottle of Red, all is forgiven
Really off now
Nite nite
October 24, 2008 at 21:22
Evening Chaps
I agree Clichy will be our next Cpt. Though I have never heard him talk – Can he?
October 24, 2008 at 21:25
french
October 24, 2008 at 21:26
Re Atmosphere.
Ever heard the Wembley roar Kelsey? Big stadia CAN have good atmos. It depends on the occasion and the fans. When we came back to draw with MU a couple of seasons ago, the Emirates was rocking.
October 24, 2008 at 21:27
What about Pat Jennings? Malcolm Mcdonald? Ray Kennedy? Frank Stapleton? Michael Thomas?
Clichy talks pretty good english Raddy..
October 24, 2008 at 21:27
Sacre Bleu. C’est pas mal. Kelsey.
October 24, 2008 at 21:28
Raddy I was there in 1966 for the World Cup Final with my rattle.
October 24, 2008 at 21:29
Actually when you here Gallas talk with his high pitched voice,i think he was castrated at birth.
October 24, 2008 at 21:31
My wife is calling,see you tomorrow guys.
October 24, 2008 at 21:32
My point exactly Avenell.
For me Supermac was a Geordie. Pat Jennings was Spurs – even though I was proud that he wore the shirt, and he was a brilliant keeper for us. Ray was Arsenal – despite all his years at Pool. Frank the same. And you only have to ask Mickey where his true loyalty lies.
Of course, this is purely subjective. Kennedy had many more years at Anfield than Highbury.
Frank McLintock ? Cpt at both Leicester and Arse.
Viv Anderson?
And how about PV4.?
October 24, 2008 at 21:33
I was at the quarter finals v Argies. Kelsey
October 24, 2008 at 21:34
I have the same privilege as Kelsey. She Who Must Be Obeyed is calling ……
October 24, 2008 at 21:38
Jennings, Mcdonald and Kennedy I would say they are Bi-Arsenal 50-50….. Stapleton and Thomas deserters.
Frank has always been Arsenal to me as i started supporting in about 69′ 70′
Pat is a gooner and Viv for some stupid reason I just see him as a footballer who plays in red, not attached to a team.
October 24, 2008 at 21:49
evening BR.. avenell.. kelsey…
my team for sunday
almunia
eboue gallas silvestre clichy
walcott fab denilson nasri
rvp nick
October 24, 2008 at 21:51
what no diaby
October 24, 2008 at 21:56
Eveing all. my team is
Sagna, Gallas, Silvest, Clichy
Ebue, Diaby, Fab, Nasri
RVP, ADE
October 24, 2008 at 21:56
BBK.. i reckon he could come on after 80 min.. he just came back from an injury no?!
October 24, 2008 at 21:57
I hope ade is rested and up for it against the spuds… he always scores against them!
October 24, 2008 at 21:57
remember Wenger has a habit of making odd Team Selections.
i would say TW14 on the right but come on. Ebue must be doing somthing for wenger to keep picking him . *Shrug’s Shoulders*
October 24, 2008 at 22:00
Evening Choy and BBK
Almunia
Eboue, Gallas, Silvestre, Clichy
Walcott, Fabregas, Djourou, Nasri,
Diaby.
Ade.
Arsene will go with Denilson and RVP instead of Diaby and Djourou I think though..
October 24, 2008 at 22:03
Sorry evening raif, typing is a bit slow!
October 24, 2008 at 22:04
lol no worries man.
and good evening to you to. and everyone else
October 24, 2008 at 22:04
Interesting Samir Nasri quote from GoonerTalk:
“…Nasri also brought back some praise for his former club Marseille and their loyal fan base. He admitted the Velodrome is probably one of the most hostile stadium’s in Europe, and he’ll never forget the support he had there.
“The atmosphere at the Velodrome stadium is still the best for me. Because here in England the fans make noise when somethings happening on the pitch. But at the Velodrome the fans never stop singing, and I think it’s the best atmosphere in Europe.”
“I could have stayed at Marseille but when a Club like Arsenal come to see you – a Club which trust his young players, with a great manager, and which play a great football – you can’t say no.””
October 24, 2008 at 22:10
so what does everyone make of this Gallas Photo ?
October 24, 2008 at 22:17
which one ?
October 24, 2008 at 22:23
there was a picture of gallas leaving a night club at the early hours of the morning with a cigarette in his mouth
Photo
http://thegoonerforum.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/the-gallas-smoking-photo/
Wengers Reaction
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7689629.stm
October 24, 2008 at 22:27
any way lads im off to watch a DVD with the missus.
till tomorrow night
October 24, 2008 at 22:28
Three old friends got together for some drinks to celebrate their reunion after 10 years of leaving Uni. They began to reminisce about the good old days when they were all young and single and had a lot of fun sowing their wild oats. Soon, the conversation drifted into marriage and how well each was doing in their relationships.
Trying to outdo themselves, each began to paint a glowing picture of their wives.
The first guy said: “My wife loves me so much – she treats me like a prince and brings me breakfast in bed every day.”
The 2nd guy said: “My wife loves me so much – she treats me like a king and will not allow me to do any house chores at all”
The third guy said – “Well, that’s nothing!” My wife loves me so much she treats me like her god – she brings me a burnt offering for dinner every night”!
October 24, 2008 at 22:46
To be honest I am pretty critical of Gallas as a Leader, I dont think he is one anyway, but unfortunately he is the best candidate we currently have, but
I could not give a hoot about the picture, these guys have to have a social life too. As for the smoking, its his early death.
October 24, 2008 at 23:25
diaby is a must for sunday we need a presence in the middle.evening avenell
October 25, 2008 at 00:16
almunia
eboue
silvestre
gallas
clichy
theo
cesc
ramsey
diaby
bendtner
van persie
subs: Fabianski, Song, Djourou, Denilson, Nasri, Adebayor, Vela
October 25, 2008 at 00:58
hound dog
please leave your a fucking twat !
and what contributed leading up to me and finest having an arguement over a retarded cNUT like you!!!
take your german ass off to your beer delivering , non- seat leaving football games and stop
being interested in our BRITISH club , i knew i didn’t like you for a reason !
i hate all germans ! you should marry my X wife ..
brains of a prawn sandwich the both of you !!
October 25, 2008 at 03:01
gday all, how goes it?
October 25, 2008 at 03:13
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/7687861.stm
October 25, 2008 at 04:38
bit off topic…
But ive just looked at the betting and the scum are favourites to beat Bolton
How can the spuds ever be considered favourites this season
October 25, 2008 at 08:21
Morning all! A little quiet again on the night shift, what’s happening?
October 25, 2008 at 08:59
i think gallas is a waste in every sense of the word.
too much in his head about himself.
October 25, 2008 at 08:59
I’m about to post, but I think you’re right Ikon.