Morning Grovers, sorry for the delay.. technical difficulties at Geoff Towers!
Our two new signings this week are an American Billionaire who we’ve signed to play mostly on the board… apparently he has great vision, superb decision making ability and he could help secure our financial future.
Our second signing is Peter Lawwel from Celtic… the Wiley old Scot has the experience we’ve been lacking in the Chief Exec position. Celtic appear unwilling to let him go without a fight though. Apparently he plays tough, he has quite a portfolio of skills and he has the ability to elevate us into the upper echeleons of European football.
Next up, a bit of gloating from me. Remember this?
‘He also feigned injury and went off… again, I believed this to be a cynical act to stop the press tearing him to shreds tomorrow and I felt that was poor from a player who knows about his bad reputation amongst the faithful…’
Well, I got a bit of a ripping from the Eboue Sympathisers club over that comment…
‘He’s out for two weeks you buffoon!’
Well, surprise, surprise… guess who is in the squad for tonight’s game?
EBOUE!
Never trust an Eboue… that’s all I’ll say.
Onto tonight, Wenger is in a bullish mood,
“We are happy to play football – we are afraid of nobody in the world”
That’s fighting talk Arsene! I was hoping for a line more like,
‘Arsenal eat Kiev’s for dinner…’
Beggars can’t be choosers though, right?
I’ve got a good feeling about tonight… maybe a comfortable 0-2 victory! The boys are on a roll, Ade has found his shooting boots and the rest of the team are on fire. Keep the wins going boys!
So, who do you think will start? Here is your squad list, let me know your thoughts in the comments section because I have no idea!
1 Manuel ALMUNIA (GK)
3 Bacary SAGNA
4 Cesc FABREGAS
5 Kolo TOURE
10 William GALLAS (c)
11 Robin VAN PERSIE
12 Carlos VELA
14 Theo WALCOTT
15 DENILSON
16 Aaron RAMSEY
17 Alex SONG
19 Jack WILSHERE
20 Johan DJOUROU
21 Lukasz FABIANSKI (GK)
22 Gael CLICHY
25 Emmanuel ADEBAYOR
26 Nicklas BENDTNER
27 Emmanuel EBOUE
Have a rip roaring day Grovers!
Le Grove is now smart phone compatible!
Pedro
Geoff
Rico, Rico, Rico…………
Can anyone do a photofit of Man U’s shirt with their new sponsors? “Federal Reserve” – or perhaps “Bush Babies”?
Couldn’t agree more Geoff, we’ll tear ‘em a new arsehole tonight, c’mon the Gunners!
4rth woo hoo
*Cough…
Pedro’s post…
Have AIG gone tits up yet?
very good geoff, do you think we can start a new saying a la Roy Munsen in king Pin?
” cant believe i have been eboue’d out in the middle of no where”
dennis dennis dennis – you be good today, no naughty stuff
Like the post – was having a worry for you,
Almunia
Bac Gallas JD Clichy
Theo Denilson Cesc RvP
Ade Vela
That should get us a few goals
Pedro – they have been saved by a 50M investor, i heard on the news!!
nice set up rico, I would like to see song start next to cesc
Eboue is such a disgrace – makes me wanna throw up
If Vela starts, it’ll be his night!!
AIG transferred $20B from one of their subsidaries to starve off a “collapse of catacyslmic proportions”, dont you love CNN?
Pedro, sadly the Federal Reserve are bailing out AIG, so unfortunatley no sewn on camouflage patches a la West Ham.
It’s a bit annoying as they (the Fed Res) didn’t bail out Mads Jens’s brothers but I understand it’s because of the different risk profiles of the two entities.
Bah !!
Geoff/Pedro – You know it’s been bugging me for a while, but you never see you two blightas in the same room at the same time, a la Michael Jackson and La Toya!!! Methinks there are one and the same person, but completely different personas, methinks you ‘two’ are Le Jekyll & Le Hyde of Le Grove…………
ed – see where you are coming from, my thoughts were that Denilson had his best game on Saturday, and needs to play and prove it was no fluke – i think if he goes back to the bench, it would be a step backwards for him -
Peter Lawwel thankfully won’t be joining us from Irish team Celtic.
Bugsy, I reckon they are just playing hardball… we’ll have to pay them a fee or something.
rico – i’m always good, except when at THOF cheering on Le Boys and slating the oppo…….
Wenger quote should of said
“We are happy to play football – we are afraid of nobody in the world” … except fulham ..
Ade has found his shooting boots
didnt know the cunt had a pair ???
thats the problem rico. your right about denilson and to be fair i think he looks liek he is the kind of playerv we bought from brazil. wasnt he U-15,U-17 and maybe U-18s brazil cptn! i just worry we look a bit lightweight agaisnt those ukranian tractor drivers and song gives us that. AGAIN saying that and to compeltely contradict myself, why would AW mess with the midfield duo thats working?
its a funny old game : )
it’ll be the same team that played blackburn for me, eboue’s having his most productive season ever so he can do whatever the fuck he wants as long as he keeps playing like he is… he must have doubled/trippled last season assists (1) already this year!!
dennis – now i wonder why i find that hard to believe!!
There is another guy who being looked at too, the bonus is that is is a Gooner – Paul Donovan, Vodafone’s head of emerging markets – the race is between him and Lawwell
He does clay pigeon shooting Ethan…
morning Geoff,
Eboue is my hero, he is the pass master so get off of his case
Gooner2, I bet you would not be throwing up if Eboue won us a penalty against the Mancs and it earned us three points!!!!
Kroenke to join the board, good or bad??? Will it change our financial dealings??
Eboue is the man – pass-master extrordinaire!! I just hope to see his secret weapon tonight – THE BACKHEEL!!!!!
Tom, that would be the most sensible, keep a winning team on a run
Anyone like the look of Ogogogogogo last night?
I have a feeling that BBurn Rovers will be the Derby of the 08/09 season, it can be the only explanation for TT getting a hatrick……….
However, if the fuckwit scores a couple tonight, then……………….jesus the medication’s wearing off!
Kroenke – if him joing keeps Fat Usamonovovovov away, then I am all for it
You genuinely think a player would get himself stretchered off to avoid the press tearing him to shreds, you’re basically saying that Eboue lied to the Lewin2 about his injury: what utter rubbish. If Eboue did that, I think Wenger might be quite unhappy about it.
Ferguson is such a wanker, he is crying because the cunt Terry gets off scot free thanks to the we have no balls English FA. However if it was the other way round and it was one of his Manc pricks then he would be defending the FA and saying what a good job they have done.
you know pedro ,
when have you believed anything wenger has said recently !
we fear no one .. Eboue is the pass master .. if he was the pass master he wouldn’t have been on the wing the other night allowing denilson time in the middle ..
then you have silvestre coming out saying he cant wait to partner with gallas !
if i was toure id be asking myself am i playing DM ? or should i just put in a transfer request now !
Our club is far from settled , luckily again keiv doesn’t represent a threat !and is the weakest in the group …
as for clay pigeon shooting , if i was one of those clay disks being fired ,id feel pretty save with ade shooting at me , unless i was 6 yards away from the end of the barrel
Eboue to be player of the season, this years Flam, you’ll see! I’m off to get his name on the back of my shirt…maybe.
DDM – ya, it was typical TT on the weekend – offside a million times, miss 3-4 gilt-edged chances, then ends up finally putting a few in…I still don’t know what to think of him. He has the ability to get it done, but just seems to miss or f*ck up so many of them.
But, if confidence is back, then he could be unstoppable…
Dave, that is exactly what happened.
You don’t get stretchered to the tunnel for an injury that lasts a day do you?
Are you part of that fan club I was talking about?
hounddog – i dont think the card should have been overturned, it was deemed to be serious foul play, so he deserved 3 match ban. Also, I read/heard somewhere yesterday that the ‘last man’ rule had been dispanded. Also, Terry is a cheat, and his actions were pre meditated, he deserved a ban. He thinks he is above the football rules, as do the others in that team, a few more should have had a yellow card!!
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(IMHO
Wonderboy – that’d really be putting yer money where yer mouth is…Eboue on a shirt…i’m tempted to do that myself! maybe after a few more pass-master displays…
helsinki G, as much as he pisses me off also, TT’s scoring record (shots off T, On T to goals ratio is one of the best in league. lvery very impressive.
i think it gets magnified because he seems to fuck up what looks like clear cut goals
EBOUE stop diving and cheating whilst wearing the shirt of my club and i might warm to you.
Pass Master 25 for me!
That would be legendary!
Rico
I agree with your team selection. I think that is, with out a doubt, the most exciting combination available at present. But alas, you know he won’t start with that team. Toure will be playing; he doesn’t like dropping players when they have not done as well as was expected; he likes to give them a chance to redeem themselves, look at Denilson. And then there is Wenger’s illegitimate son who, of course, has to play every game. Expect Vela to come on later.
I cannot believe I am about to write this but I am actually warming to Eboue, I think despite the amateur dramatics and that he sometimes finds himself out of position I think he has had a great start to the season despite knowing that he isn’t very highly thought of amongst the fans…. More to the point, isn’t it about time we had someone else players in the premisership are scared of, not since Sol left have we had someone so mental that the opposition don’t know which Eboue is going to turn up.
If he keeps playing in the way he is he could turn into one of my favourites… He was one of the only players who could be pleased with their performance against Fulham
in terms of starting lineup –
Almunia
Sagna Djourou Gallas Clichy
Walcott Denilson Cesc Nasri / Eboue
RVP
Adebayor
Subs: Vela, Ramsey, Wilshere, Silvestre, Fabianski, Diaby, Bendtner
Any news on Rosicky by the way?
Pedro / Dave – I’m part of the Eboue fan-club, but even I can see that he prob dove during the match, and seeing it was the end, decided to stay off. All he has to say to the physio is ‘it’s sore as fuck’ and they won’t risk him till after x-rays. As for Wenger – i doubt he cares…as long as E puts in good performances.
I don’t like the diving, but sadly it’s part of Eboue’s game….and many other players at other clubs’ games too.
ethan… silvestre saying that is a good thing… it shoudlnt unsettle toure it should encourage him… if i was toure i’d be thinking ‘well u can keep waiting cos im not gonna fuck up!’ competition for places like what he’s saying will only mae these players train harder and play better!
silvestre saying he cant wait to partner gallas means nothing to me other than he wants to play football like the rest of the squad
DDM its only a matter of time before he scores again , but it wont be , side step right 1 defender side step left another defender , wrong foot the third one and draw in the keeper to score !
It will be more like deflected off the side of his ass and in ! assist theo !
Anyone with 2 feet and heart beat could score for arsenal with the passing game that was present in the blackburn game . However if you get 10 men behind the ball and defend ade is useless !
Almunia
Bac JD Galls Clichy
Eboue Song Cesc Theo
Ade Vela
Dave, Eboue didn’t lie to Lewin. Lewin would have passed on instructions to Eboue to be strechered off.
London – thats the team i would like to see, but you are right, St Eboue, the reason oppo fans sing ‘same old Arsenal……………………..’ Twit !! (Eboue i mean)
so eboues the worse cheat in the clubs history no ?lolllllll jesus christ, to be fair if you ever watch or read an interveiw with the first 11 they ALL love him as the funny man so he must be good for team spirit.
pedro- it looked like he turned his ankle and to be fair it could and must be legit.
he does play for us remember, starting 11 to be precise. for better or worse
rico01; spot on mate. Terry is a Wanker and a cheat. I was simply refering to the double standards way of thinking of the old red nosed wino
DB10
Is that what should happen or what will happen?
If Manure were not playing The Russians this weekend, no doubt Red Nose would not have had a comment to make – its that pre match thing that Red Nose loves – wind up merchant!
you know regarding eboue, i dont actually care if he dived against blackburn… good for him… im tired of us getting dicked on and fucked over by other teams diving and refs not seeing it (rooney to end the unbeaten run) and bad ref decisions so fuck it… well done eboue you got us a penalty…. nice guys finish last
Pass-Master 25
Does have a nice ring to it, no??? very tempted…and less of a chance at a beating from just about every other clubs’ support!
Tom i agree ,
but he has said it once when he joined and again recently .. its only a hunch but i think wenger would have shut that talk down if there wasn’t a promise at the end of it for Silvester
i only hope as far as cementing a 1st 11… its pedro’s theory of move toure to DM !
no just what i would like… wanna see song and vela and have a bad feeling about RvP getting injured so hope hes on the bench
Wonderboy, you’re not the only one. I saw someone at Memebers day with an EE27 home strip. I have to admit I did a double take at that, also saw loads of Nasri8 away shirts, which was quite surprising as the away kit(Anfield 89 inspired) had only been out a few days.
Arsenal Tom, I’m with you on that comment!!
I agree Tom…but also see that if he gets too much of a rep, we may not get the calls in the games/times that count.
Still, not losing much sleep over it! Same way i didn’t mind the dive in CL final 06 – his dive was what set up the free kick for Sol’s goal.
Arsenal Tom I totally agree, whinging about Ronaldo, Rooney and Drogba diving in the box is not going to stop them doing it and is also not going to bring back the three points lost because of it.
If Eboue can get away with it in the same way the cheats at Man U and Chavski do and is prepared to take the flak for it then good luck to him.
It is about time we got our own back.
Tom – there is being a gritty hard mr nasty, and there is cheating!
I read this somewhere but it made so much sense, if Pires had gone down in the box as Eboue did on the weekend would we have tried to rip him apart.
NO WE WOULD NOT HAVE.
HelsinkiGooner
Pass-Master 25
sounds like a exercise machine you buy on those late night tv shopping channels !
you know the ones ?
the ones that are broken in 2 weeks
Look at his wee face on the official website, this guy just wants to be loved by us…breaks my heart.
Helsinki Gooner, I really don’t think there is an issue of Eboue getting a bad rep. In lots of cases he is genuine and does get fouled a lot.
wenger did say tho that toure wouldnt be moved into DM… it could work tho but i cant see it happening
i dont care if he dived or not either , but what i care about is being targeted by the refs in future matches because eboue simulated …
fuck , he should be called the DIVE – MASTER
oops – meant to have ‘Pass-Master 27′
Pedro, Eboue might be part of the squad but may not start
morning all.. respect for our pass master please people!!!
Rico, I really think it’s unfair to class Eboue as a cheat. I personally do not believe that is or ever has been his intention!!
well i think if silverstre doesn’t get a regular game , we might have a diarra incident on our hands .. He will probably wish he did join Man Shitty ..
If anyone gets a link when the game starts please post it!
gday lads and lady(ies),
great post geoff, i agree Eboue was always going to come up trumps and i still stick by my earlier posts that if he can cut out the diving/antics, he be gold for us.
Wenger is obviously building a team of univeral players who can play in more thirds than 1 of the thirds if that makes sense?
what do you guys think about that?
Eduard..0, you finish your comment with a very telling phrase “for better of for worse” – we are married to our team and we have to forgive some foibles here and there. It’s not if we can divorce the arse and go support someone else.
ethan i think you may have over-estimated eboue a touch by insinuating that refs will look badly upon us for diving…..eboue doing this is notthing new, as is CR7, Fat Rooney, FFL, stevie G, they ALL dive. look at last years CL with Poo… i really dont think that Manu eboue has a large enough profile as you suggest
I think niklas might start today!
ethan – silvestre’s gotta earn the regular game IMO. can fill in for Clichy though if nec.
hounddog – we will have to disagree, he has been a diver for always, and because of it he often doesnt get the free kick for the genuine bad tackle – he over elaborates more often than not – and we will suffer in the end, because we will be scrutinised by refs, I think that is why we dont always get the deserved penalties –
As said before, is he a footballer, or after a place at RADA
Ethan i was just thinking the same thing… wenger probbaly gave him a bit of the old ‘yeah of course youll be playign first team football’ chat… first team in the fa cup maybe pal…
eboue will start and who cares if he dived, if he hadnt gone down he’d be getting slated for not doing anything when he was in the box!!
choy – morning to you, did you mention nikers?
Something I am not sure of, perhaps someone can explain. How will Kroenke being on the board keep Usmanov at bay? Kroenke has something like 12% share holdings while the fat man has something like 24%.
Got the worst news this mornin.
AIG have been granted a 50 billion dollar government loan so they wont go under. I was trying to think of a song that would link Man Ure with West Ham until i heard that. I was working along the lines of are you west ham in disguise but guess i will have to shelve those plans for now at least
Why do people always predict RVP playing on the left??? He hasn’t played there in god knows how long now so he wont. I am guessing it will be the same side that started against Blackburn with possibly the same subs depending on how it is going. Theo coming off for Jack etc. Any thoughts on that?
‘i dont care if he dived or not either , but what i care about is being targeted by the refs in future matches because eboue simulated …’
Spot on Ethan.
I don’t care about the dive, it is the ramifications.
London, Pires was god… and you know that when he dived it was purely because he was a bit of a girl and the thought of a physical challenge scared the crap out of him.
Also, Pires wasn’t a consistent cheat.
Rico, no problem, we will just have to disagree then.
for sure Chary, we all want the same thing. truth is were looking pretty damn fine right now in “our marriage”, had lil blip at fulham (see drunk at a dinner party) and since then 11 goals and none conceded (see mowing lawn, re-decorating, dog walking etc!)
everyones happy, smiling and now lets rip the fucking throat out of kiev for eyeing up our missus!
hello rico.. yes i know you don’t rate him.. but i hope he starts and proves you wrong!!!
i would like to see vela as well!!
Eboue dived against blackburn.the twat always dives. I wil never warm up 2 him.he make me sick 2 be honest.he is stil the weak player in the squad.wil he eva got a starting place at manu,chekski,pool? No ,not even on the bench.
eduard…0
Im sure the refs watch replays and know who the divers are ..
but what i mean is , it seems that last season towards the end he stopped doing it ..
now it seems he’s in the spot light again !
eboue is the king of simulation ed. he rolls around on the floor like hes taken a shrapnel wound !
Pedro, you can’t make excuses for Pires but condem Eboue!!!
pedro, dude! ramifications??? come on, lets get behind eboue!! it starts here! right now, today!
lets not forget that the VAST majority of times he goes down teh ref blows for a foul NOT diving
Trust me, I dont particually care either, Eboue is such a drama queen, he looks like he has been shot the way he goes over, and then then he completes more forward rolls than the Gold Medalist in Gymnastics completed in Bejing…… Then tops it off with that pathetic painful looking grin on his face when trying to justify his fall……
If he stopped all that, he could be a better footballer! Maybe….;)
choy – i hope he soes too, coz that means we get bucket loads of goals
yeah pedro… come join the dark side!!
Pedro
We both know Pires is God and we both know his dive in the box against Porstmouth.
Any way…..back to tonight.
vela will come on after a while but wenger has mentoned the fact its important to start well so cant see us going out there with nikky and vela up front, ade and RVP to start vela gets the last 20 mins to protect to RVP
LOLLLLL ethan t’is true about the shrapnel wound …
Pedro, I do agree with you that he is a bit of a drama queen but I still don’t consider him as a cheat. I can list many players who are a 100 times worse then him and most of them are Mancs!!!!
Bobby P can not be mentioned in the same breath as eboue…
Eboue was injured during the game. He did not dive. Oh the stupidity…
Eboue was good at rb.but since then,he has turned into an embaresment.i would much rather draw,than win via a eboue dive.he is a diver.a cheat.a nonsense footballer
Bergys, surely you can’t be bloody serious?
Anyone rememeber that dive RP07 did at Highbury against Portsmouth, fucking shocking, but it earn’t us a draw. So, Eboue only did what every othre fucker does to us, cheats! However, the feigning injury and being stretchered off leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, get up and get on with the game you mug!
And, as for that fucker Terry, the ‘relationship’ between him and the Premiership referees is nothing short of disgraceful. How many fucking times each season does he get away with blantant penalties? When he charges down a shot on goal in the penalty area in the same way a goalkeeper would do, and continually gets away with it…….
Didn’t realise Arsene had to bury his Dad yesterday. I didn’t even know he had passed away.
Condolences to Arsena and Family
RIP Wenger Senior
dennis – Spot On !
Off for a while – later Guys
Eboue will never get player of the year like pires.to me eboue is useles.like playin with 10.5 men. When is rosicky back?
Db10, he gave a press conference yesterday, how could he bury his dad as well?
I have just read Fergie is spitting feathers over Terrys card being rescinded where is the difference in what Terry did to what Vidic did bare in mind Vidic only got a yellow.
Hang your head in shame AF … TWAT!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2008/09/16/gael-clichy-gives-arsenal-champions-league-fitness-boost-115875-20738943/
Sorry old article…Would have been monday
DB10 – I commented on that yesterday at 2.05pm although no one really noticed. I beleive the funeral was on Monday Mark c.
More luncay from the FA – the psychopathic Martin Taylor-esque lunge by Barton’s team mate on Fagan (of Hull City) won’t be punished any more than the 3 match ban already in place.
But they will look into ole 65% proof noses comments about the Chavs Cnut captain’s red card being overturned.
This is the kingdom of madness…
stop the Eboue bashing..!!.. the guy is having a great run of games, his passing has been good, his crossing is better, hes covered various positions, hes one of our strongest midfield players too. Got a few assists, draws in a foul wins a penalty, and it gives u lot the right to call him a CHEAT..?!!?..
Warnock came right across Eboue without coming no where near the ball, he had every right to go down. End of argument
markc, it was also on the German sports news that he was in Strassburg on Monday to attend the funeral of his father. Strassburg is only a couple of hours plane flight from London.
I would rather draw than win via any sort of diving.thats just how i am.sadly theres no more honestly in sport.if u cant win fair,u cheat
Chris, pull your head out of Eboue’s backside.
He is a cheat, I am sure he wouldn’t debate that point.
Most of us just think it is funny these days… he is Arsenal’s very own Robbie savage… but a more entertaining version.
hey, i feel we are going to win comfortably as well, want a solid performnce in a difficult place to play.
I think the starting line up will be as follows:
Almunia, Sagna, Gallas, Toure, Clichy, Walcott, Fabregas, Denilson, Eboue, Van Persie and Big Ade!
Give eboue his due, his played well so far this season and is bound to get one of those powerful drives of his in some-day.
Anyway, thanx for the post and all the grovers must have a great day, any of you planning on going to the Ukraine for the game?
I love the… ‘end of argument’ bit. The sign of a poor debater.
Goona.eboue made a meal of it.plain and simpel.then even more by leaving the field on a strecthar,and suddenly fit for a game 4days later.really amazing
bergys stop getting over dramatic matey. cheating occurs in all sports and its not a new phemon! since there was sports there has been cheats, its human nature.
that doenst make it right just a cold hard reality. did you celebrate our unbeaten season? by your rationale you didnt right? because frankly had Bobby not dived at pompey we would have PROBABLY lost that game
Almunia
Sagna-Toure-Gallas-Clichy
Eboue-Denilson-Fabregas-Walcott
Ade-Persie
Arsenal 2 – Dynamo Kiev 0
100th!
eboue s acheat but absolutely no worse than anyone else
120th more like
Pedro – you get out of the wrong side today????
ALMUNIA
SAGNA TOURE GALLAS CLICHY
WALCOTT DENILSON CESC VELA
ADE RVP
he is eduard…0
he’s worse than a lot althought there are many just as bad and many worse.
i would rather have arsenal get a penalty than rather have a penalty given against us!
ok ignore the second rather
That’s because Gerrard is made of stiff upper lips and bully beef!
Really sad bout arsene dad.cant think of anything worse
BOY – YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR TEAM BELONGS…RELEGATION ZONE……..
Darren Bent admits Tottenham’s new-look team need to buck up their ideas – or face a relegation battle this season.
He said: “We’ve signed a lot of new players and it takes time for them to gel.
“But we need to get it sorted sooner rather than later because if we carry on as we are, we’re going to be in big trouble.”
DB10, what winds me up and i think wonderboy touched on it is english players arent cast in the same light as we are doing to eboue here.
bring back paddy!
Why is anyone still debating if he dived or not – the video evidence is clear. In forensic terms the Blackburn defender swipes Eboue above and behind the left knee. Then Eboue falls over. There is contact at pace causing our guy to go down in the box. That is a pen. I would be saying the same even if it was Owen going down in our box.
No AFC, I just get annoyed when people don’t take a sensible view point.
Everyone goes mad when other teams players take a tumble from the slightest of touches, so why is he being so vehemently defended?
Fact:
The contact from Warnock was not enough knock a 5 year old over.
Fact:
Eboue fell over from that contact
That makes it a dive, simulation, play acting… whatever you want to call it, it wasn’t fair.
He was also stretchered off… how many players get stretchered off from a twisted ankle? It was pathetic.
RIP Wenger senior.
I was planning on a Kiev trip, but it’s not to be, I’ll do my best to get over to the Emirates to watch Tottenham get a pasting at the Emirates.
I watched the replay in slow motion, and I knew it was a dive, that’s why I stuck to my guns and I will when I know what I saw, Eboue Jumped over Warnocks leg then headed forward for the ground, there was a question as to whether Warnock made contact with the back of his leg when he fell, certainly not enough to warrant a tough guy like him to stop playing.
I don’t want Eboue diving or Arsenal being known as a dirty team, in my eyes Arsenal are good enough not to have to pretend to be injured or provoke other teams into getting cards……….if you play rough you might as well do it properly, go the whole hog…..but I’m against such measures, the consequences far outweigh the benefits and reduce the satisfaction of having won if we did so thanks to cheating.
Kiev will be a tough game, they’ve got the bit between their teeth as well with a 5-0 win at the weekend, they’re certainly nit a team to be taken lightly, but Arsenal are good and we can win tonight.
A draw would be satisfactory…sort of….but we’ve clearly got the impetus to take all three points. A Kiev win and 3 home wins will take us to the next level, it would be nice to top the group but a this stage getting through to the next round is the most important thing.
Why talk about Kolo Toure going into midfield, it was clearly stated a month ago that it won’t happen:
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-toure-will-not-move-into-midfield
Lets hope this new CEO chap is proud of his job and dedicated to achieving personal and club success.
PEDRO – this just MIGHT put a smile on your face
The squeaking noise to be heard in north London this morning is that of the knives being sharpened. At least three newspapers carry separate reports speculating on the imminent demise of Damien Comolli, Spurs’ apparently-hopeless Director of Football, but what of Juande Ramos? The Spaniard has won just three league games since the Carling Cup final and now possesses a worst win record than that of the much-maligned Christian Gross. Even those who acclaimed him as a tactical genius in February are beginning to have doubts, it seems.
‘Ramos is not an outspoken man. His forward defensive in press conferences would make Geoffrey Boycott grunt appreciatively,’ notes The Guardian.
There is, of course, one very good reason why Ramos is not especially outspoken. As The Independent complains, ‘Almost a year into the job and Ramos’s failure to speak publically [sic] in English has irritated some while.’ That ‘some’ would be the press pack then.
Meanwhile, the Indy seems intent on depicting Comolli’s failures as an inevitability of the told-you-so type.
‘Comolli, having worked for Arsenal, was supposed to deliver a conveyor belt of imaginative, young and appreciating-in-value players,’ the newspaper declares. ‘It just hasn’t worked which has meant that those who were surprised that he was given the job appear to have had their reservations confirmed.’
Err, but what sort of reservations did the Indy hold at the time?
‘After his predecessor, Frank Arnesen, left for Chelsea, Comolli’s appointment can bring cheer to Spurs fans who have seen some promise and plenty of upheaval in the past 14 months,’ the newspaper assured ‘those Tottenham fans, except those well-versed in Arsenal’s scouting structure’, who were busy asking ‘Damien who?’ back in September 2005.
‘He left Highbury last year and took the sporting director’s job in France at St Etienne and they finished a creditable sixth. As greater proof of his ability, there are the gems he introduced at Highbury. Names such as Kolo Tour and Gal Clichy stand out among the untested players he brought to the club while he also helped to sign Thierry Henry and Robert Pires.’
the arsenal curse for sure!
Well it’s nice to see we all have different points of view on Eboue
I can’t wait for Theo to do a blatent dive as it will be interesting to see what some of you have to say then!!
if you watch replays of the penalty, eboue does seem to land awkwardly on his right knee, and that is what he was holding when he went down, not his ankle which for some reason most people think he was holding.
not sure if he died or not, but i think he did hurt his knee when he went down
dived*** haha
Fact? It doesn’t take much to knock some over when they are running at full pace. You could also say that Nasri’s dig at Joey Barton wouldn’t have knocked over a five year old, but someone else could say he was scythed to the ground. Who knows? The fact is that in both cases t5he player went down after getting fouled.
So why did the TV commentators state that the back of Eboue’s ankle was clipped by the triling leg of the Blackburn player????
I meant trailing leg of course, sorry
If Eboue injured himself it wasn’t with the tackle that was made on him, it was with his ridiculous fecking dive……………but rather we get the decision than the opposition!
Timao… the forensic evidence would say that the force was not enough to knock an athlete over.
Houddog, a dive is a dive. If Theo did it, it would not be applauded.
Sorry guys but Eboue is an Arsenal player, we are not talking about fucking Ronaldo or Rooney who own their own diving schools. Some of you need to throw away the goody two shoes attitude. My humble opinion of course.
Pedro and you expect me to believe that after you have already made excuses that it was ok for Pires!! Come on now get real, please.
Pedro Eboue is a laughing stock can you imagine spurs,manu,or chelsae having someone like that we would rip him to bits.
Eboue should write a book how to make friend and Influence games!! by the new pass master
ethan – you know my feelings regarding our TT, what can you do though fella, he still wears The Red & White, can’t sign his name (actually won’t sign his name), but if he scores goals for us (and who wouldn’t in our team) and helps us win something it becomes a mini-moralistic dilema………..sometimes supporting our beloved team can be a very painful experience…..
We don’t like cheats, we don’t want to be cheats, end of. If a player goes down like a whore, he’s a cheat, doesn’t matter what his name is.
I didn’t say the Pires dive was ok did I?
I just said he was a bit of a girl so I could understand why he’d dive.
I also said Pires wasn’t a consistent cheat.
Listen, if cheating is ok by you… that is your prerogative, just don’t complain when football karma bites us in the ass.
Is AIG gone yet?
Well said Finest, everyone cringed a bit when Bobby did what he did… he didn’t do it again though did he?
it’s amazing how apparently objective analysis can lead to such polar opposite conclusions – like all the people I’ve heard saying FA was right to uphold Terry’s red card appeal. What a fecking joke!
why didn’t nasri get slated for tripping barton.. although barton is a cunt…
did we slate cesc for all his tempers he keeps throwing?
did we slate cesc for this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndebzpsoi9A
well after the end of last season things can only get better if you believe in football karma…
Pedro, I have never said that I condone cheating. What I said earlier was that I did not believe Eboue was a cheat nor did I think it was ever his intention to cheat.
well said finest – ill 2nd that!
looking forward to the kick off, just need a few hours kip and then back up at 04:30am.
mind you the Shiraz is going down a treat at the minute, so might have to set 2 alarms!
for some reason, im super keen to watch this game, even though its not life or death!
come on gooners!
Wahey my Eboue avatar is working! I suddenly feel like the poor kid in class with the t shirt of Mr T holding some kittens…
Choy, good question. I think the issue is that some folks have a thing called “selective slatting” Nasri was a definate case of revenge on the prick Barton.
Choy, watch the clip, Ballack went down to try to get Cesc booked, Cesc lost his temper..
“If I’m gonna get booked anyway I must as well do something to deserve it”
yeah finest.. but morally is it right?
spitting on a player? are you justifying his behaviour?
we didn’t get a sureshot penalty at the grove against pool… did we?
did hleb dive in that case? i think not!
I love it when we grovers don’t all agree!!!
Choy…
Slate Cesc for having passion? Why, that is what we want in our young players.
Slate Nasri for a bad tackle, when would I normally do that? It’s just part of football… The only person you can slate there is the ref for not pulling him up and maybe Nasri for getting caught up in the heat of the moment (Something Arsene did).
Again… passion and aggression is not something I would want to curb in a player.
Diving is a different kettle of fish… you are deceiving for gain.
MICHAEL… they got 50b or somfin from george bush to keep em ticking over
Choy, so did Hleb have a reputation as a diver ? I think not, and we still didn’t get the peanalty. I’m not convinced that refs will always recall a players “diving history” when they make a trigger happy red-card/penalty giving decision.
I always feel we are more suscpetible to accusations of diving because our game is based more on runnnig at speed with the ball than slow moving, long-ball merchant teams, e.g. Bolton/Blackburn. Because we run with the ball at pace a little tip/nudge can trip you up more so than if you are a plodder of a player,; you never saw Hartson dive cos he was too dam slow to be tripped.
pedro are you referring to passion like this from fabregas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG4m9qskz50
You can all state isolated incedents of players doing things.The fact is that Eboue does it week in week out.Rocky must be turning in his grave listening to some of you.
No it’s not right, I am explaining what happened, it is absolutely wrong to spit at another player and Cesc thoroughly deserved a yellow. In this instance Fabregas did it because of provocation not because he felt like spitting at Ballack.
If someone came up to me in the street and started on me I might end up doing them serious damage even though it’s completely wrong, I didn’t go up to them and harrass them, if they’re only picking on me because they think I’m an easy target they’re gonna have to learn the hard way. The lesson here is be fair and friendly to people, if you aren’t you must be prepared to take it as well as give it.
Hey, did someone say earlier that they were gonna get a ‘PASS MASTER 27′ shirt?? That’s fecking quality, seriously the fella’s a clown, but he’s an Arsenal clown, he will be the new Willie Young!
Pedro, I don’t want to beat this to death but I must seriously challange your way of thinking. A revenge foul on Barton is considered as a bad tackle, it’s okay for Cesc because you consider it as passion.!!!!
You just need to admit that you have a thing against Eboue but please don’t try to justify other situations as okay crimes.
Fecking Hell, just a little bit left-field, but the world of finance is going bonkers right now, Lloyds TBS are buying HBOS!! Now as a self employed IT techie that will mean so much work, mucho dinaro………………happy days!!
I am not justifying it, but in the heat of the moment, things happen… that is sport… Cesc was caught and punished. I didn’t say spitting was ok… or bad tackles were fine did I?
Eboue however deceived everyone through simulation and we won a penalty because of it. That is wrong…
Also, Cesc and Nasri aren’t known for cheating… it’s not in the character to do so.
Eboue however is fastly becoming one of the Prems most disliked players… why do you think that is Hounddog?
guy …where can i watch the game LIVE tomorrow
in australia i mean……..
Pedro, It is only an opinion that he won the penalty by diving! As I said before, even the TV commentators said the back of his ankle was caught by the trailing leg of the Blackburn player. (granted it was a German commentator) Why are you saying he is one of the most disliked premiership players? Who/where is that coming from? Again this is opinionated.
Please don’t understand me as I respect where you are coming from but I totally disagree with what you are saying that’s all.
I’m not sure if it’s already been mentioned, but Wenger’s dad passed away recently and Wenger was at the funeral on Monday.
the art of deception pedro.. the art of deception.. one of the many talents of our passmaster!!
harry u got sopcast?
Pedro, I meant please don’t misunderstand me.
choy
we dont slate those guys because its not a common occurrence !
I am sure only arsenal fans like cesc fabregas!!!
so ethan it is ok to do it once?
Eboue needs to start playing football, not becoming a diving pansy. Do people who support Eboue cheating think that we will not be sought out for revenge? Can you expect referees to be fair to us if we don’t play fair? If we resort to becoming a cheating team, all our arguments about unfair decisions will be baseless and games will end up being a compeition of who is better at cheating, and who can get away with what.
How long has it been since we played Kiev at Wembley ?
Harry, try and download TVU, that was pretty amazing quality the other day.
Hounddog, I am not disagreeing that he was touched… but if you tap me on the shoulder next to a policeman, I collapse on the floor and say you assaulted you me… and you get arrested… that wouldn’t be fair would it?
In the eyes of the law you have battered me… but you would feel like I’ve conned/cheated the policeman in to arresting you?
The point I am trying to get across is Arsenal fans are all happy to be above board regarding our transfer policy… but when a player brings the good name of Arsenal into disrepute, no one cares? Where did the values go all of a sudden?
yes another talent of our pass master choy ,
is his inability to score a single goal during his time at AFC !
Choy, it’s not ok and they wouldn’t be congratulated… but the point is, with Eboue it is an ongoing character flaw.
Most people that like a bit of cheating can’t handle a fair cop when they’re at the receiving end, they applaud what’s wrong and weep when it happens to them.
Finestcuts, in fairness Eboue does get fouled a lot. I fully agree with Pedro that at times he is a bit of a drama queen but I will dispute the fact that he purposely cheats.
Kiev were the best team I had ever seen live, that night at Wembley. Sept, 1998.
he did score once ethan.. think it was a friendly or something!!!
what I am just saying is that we agree it is his flaw or weak point… now instead of slating him for it .. we need to support him as he wears the shirt and he plays for ARSENAL…
Some interestig view points on the whole Eboue situation. In the interests of throwing something out there akin to the example of Walcott diving. What might peoples view points be if 1 of our players ran into the box a la Eboue and a reckless tackle comes in nowhere near the ball a la Warnock, and contact is made but our player stays on his feet only for the ball to runaway from him because of that split second where he stayed on his feet and then nothing is given.
This is one of my issues with football and refereeing at the moment – you shouldn’t have to hit the ground to have been fouled but ref’s very rarely pick up on this situation so in effect they have created some of these simulation situations (say that fast).
Its like the whole Terry thing, no way should that have been overturned and I don’t care if there may or may not have been coverbehind him – it was totaly cynical which still makes it CHEATING !! But what the FA have down by condoning this an overturning it is, you know what every player can now make 1 rugby tackle in a match because as long as you are not the last man we have just deemed such an action as a bookable offence only !!
fuck i hate cuntley cole. i totaly forgot about that incident, just watched the you tube link
its ok , to do anything once , the art is not get a reputation for it !
Great point Ryan.
May I just say also… a fine example of staying on your feet would be Theo against Milan.
here we go!
champs league is here.
i hope lil’ jack comes on… he is the baby among the ‘seasoned’ performers out there.
THE EPL choy!
isnt that what he is paid to play ?
Pedro as I said before, I hear what you are saying and I respect your opinion. We have different views on Eboue though that’s all. Good point on the policeman comment though.
Cheers Paulinho has it really been 10 years???
Time sure flies!
Houndog, he pretended he was in so much pain that he was unable to get up and continue playing, if the extent of his pain was so severe it would have been a serious injury. It’s just like people who go to Doctors pretending they have backache for insurance purposes, the doctor can’t see inside your head….you react in the “correct way” when the doctor stimulates the nerve which the patient claims to have injured.
So thats it we all agree Eboue is a diving cheating cunt well done boys.
Just Stick It In !
hallelujah to that !
Paulinho – Was it really ten years ago??
Ryan, good point!! That is why this site has such a good reputation. We all can share different views, argue, debate, disagree but we all do it in a sensible manner. By the way if that situation was to occur then I’d be pretty pissed at Theo for not going down if he was genuinally clipped and he blew a goal scoring chance.
Hey, refs must think that diving in the box is fine and dandy, what about the ‘intent’ penalty for Gerrard at the start of last season? Sickening.
Arsenal 1 Kiev 1
scorers: Bergkamp 74 Rebrov 91
Arsenal:
Seaman
Dixon Adams Keown Winterburn
Parlour Garde Hughes Overmars
Bergkamp Anelka (Vivas)
21st October 1998
have you ever been kicked like he was finestcuts??
Hello guys,
On Eboue subject: people are going over the top on this subject. The truth is Eboue is by any means good at exagerating any challenges against him but that penalty on Sat was a real one and I think it was genuine as he was taken off…you can not say all the time he is pretending even when he is injured. He is human after all and humans get injured, right?
We can not forget how good he was in the last two games in the midfield…dont forget this is a new position for him!!!
Richard, you get kicked harder in Sunday league than you do in the Premiership.
Kicked how Richard?
Finestcuts, unless you are a qualified Dr who was on the scene then you really can’t comment on the pain factor. Even if it may have appeared over done, a fall at speed, depending on the landing or what you may twist can be extremely painfull at the point of impact. Hitting the ground at speed can be like hitting concrete.
I can comment hounddog because the ramifications would be severe, swelling and muscle injury do not heal as quickly as that.
choy
now instead of slating him for it .. we need to support him as he wears the shirt and he plays for ARSENAL…
How do you propose we support him ? or you personally support him ?
I would rather keep it real and have an objective opinion ..
give credit where it is due !
until he or ade changes , there is no point to deny character flaws in our players !
people turn a blind eye to there own naughty children , well it will turn around one day and bite you in the ass !
Because denial is not a river !
at least pass master does not spend all his time hanging out with rosicky and diaby….
haha
hounddog
theo is the total opposite of eboue .. if he can take a knock and go past his man he will do it !(and has done many many times) you have to admire that about the lad !
Pedro yeah you are right that was a greatexample by Theo and he turned it into a goal which was superb. In the case of Theo i think he would stay on his feet regardless, but I just wonder what peoples view would be had the Maldini attempt at a foul been in the box – Theo stays on his feet but no goal is created and no penalty is given despite the obvious foul on him – all because he stayed on his feet.
I can’t remember what game it was but at the back end of last season i remember exactly that happening with Theo he got checked in the box as he went past his man but stayed up and nothing came of it – I was furious – not with Theo I might add but with the ref in that he shouldn’t have to go down for it to have been recognised as a foul.
I am not condoning Eboue or any other players that may or may not get aor have a reputation for simulating but there are instances where I don’t actually blame them. I actually think Eboue was right on Saturday as the tackle was nowhere near the ball and regardless of pressure applied directly to Eboue he was impeeded in an unfair manner. But saying that I totally agree that creating areputation for yourself for this sort of thing will without doubt cause the player with a reputation some issues further down the line.
Houddog, hitting the ground on a Premiership pitch in September would be like landing on carpet.
Finestcuts, but do you know it was swelling and or a muscle related injury. I think you will find that Lewing requested a stretcher because he did not want to risk anything until the situation could be properly assessed that’s all.
its a shame we cannot swap him for rosicky .. give rosicky, eboue’s legs maybe
a 2 tone player
Because he hasn’t been severly injured choy. If someone injured you forcing you to be out, would it be your fault?
Pedro, you may be right there.
Yeah exactly houndog, it was a precautionary measure…no doubt about that, the man says he’s hurt so badly that he’s unable to stand up, you need to get a stretcher on.
when Eboure runs int into the box he has 3 options
1) cross- not the most productive
2) boot it into the croud (shooting some other players call it)
3) fall over like you’vr brrn shot
didnt look like he was hurt, looked like he was tripped, i think he stayed down to hammer home the point he wanted a pen
ethangunner, absolutely.
ethan players will mature..
cesc has stopped most of his erratic behaviour.. rvp too .. do you remember how rvp was? gallas has stopped whining!!
ade has started celebrating his team mates goals… eboue will hopefully notice that it is wrong to keep acting like he does… and he is actually starting to play football.. he already has two assists this season as compared to two last season i think….
ethan – denial is not a river!! Oh dear, yellow card for that one fella!
Objective
1. Free of personal bias and opinion, as in an objective evaluation.
Graet point on the Gerrard “intent” penalty, Wonderboy.
I think that is all to do with the secret section of the rule book pertaining to having worn the England captain’s armband at one point – it also includes such gems as allowable rugby takles (Terry) and kicking people in the face (Shearer) !!
Finestcuts, all I am saying is that neither you nor I know what “really” happened. We are opinionated that’s all. You can get a simple dead leg or charlie horse and it can prevent you from walking because of the pain.
choy Says:
September 17, 2008 at 12:56 pm
cesc has stopped most of his erratic behaviour.. rvp too .
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Now we’re getting to the core of it.
Name me periods when they displayed consistently “erratic behavoiur”, substantiate your claims please.
Choy, Eboue is 25, how much more maturing can he do!
oh dear finest… i will take last season as an example…
here are some of fabregas’s best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG4m9qskz50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycXwUbNVlug
pedro in the words of arsene “Don’t set any limitations on any human being because once you have talent the rest is down to how much you want it and to how intelligent you are.”
Ryan L, i remember the Shearer kick very well, the bastard should have been banned for at least a year. Still makes my blood boil, the F.A and the media are as pathetic as each other.
Hounddog, sure he could have got a cramp, but that was not the claim made by him. He displayed symptoms of serious injury. Had they been completely genuine the repercussion would be that Wenger would not see him as being fit to play in a Champions League game, the evidence is stacked against Eboue. Not only that, the replay clearly shows what happened and where Eboue pointed to citing pain. Look at his body movement as he goes down, he goes forward with a force which only he or someone else could have instigiated, he jumped over warnocks lega and instead of attempting to put his leg back down on the ground his body tumbles forward.
choy – under those words of wisdom, would that make Eboue a complete fuckwit then??
haha DDM.. maybe.. who knows
Why all the chat about Eboue? I think he cheated, and it should be for the boss to deal with. if it was me i would drop him tonight. However it seems AW has a soft spot for this very average player. Pass Master! the man is the cygan! and i would play 3 or 4 people in front of him.
Finestcuts, I guess it’s all in the fall. AS i said earlier, I did agree with Pedro that his drama queen antics certainly do not help his case.
Again, when you fall and hit the ground at speed there is no telling what can happen. I guess it is a case of me giving him the benefit of doubt and the opposite for you. I stick to my opinion that he he not a cheat though.
choy Says:
September 17, 2008 at 1:03 pm
oh dear finest… i will take last season as an example…
here are some of fabregas’s best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG4m9qskz50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycXwUbNVlug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpjxR_vl4t0
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Clip 1…Fabregas was smacked in the face!
Clip 2….clear intentional contact made to Fabregas’ face
Clip 3…..contact clearly made to Fabregas’ face
finest did you have a look at the videos?
the only thing missing was fab being stretchered off!!!
Past cult heroes………
Willie Young
Gus Ceasar
The Grimster
May i present our new cult hero, take a bow E.Eboue………..
Yep, DM, ten years. Last night, exactly ten years ago, Arsenal played Lens in our first ever champions league game in the new format. That curly haired blond git Tony Vairelles scored in the last minute to level the scores after we had missed a host of chances.
…maybe Eboue is a quick healer, the guy f****** regenerates
Anyone remember that ECL game at Wembley against Fiorentina??
I’m surprised that was your answer to Fabregas’ “erratic behaviour”, in all 3 of those incidents intentional contact to Fabregas’ face was made.
Paulinho – I remember that game, we battered them, just a taste of what was to come i suppose……..
Yep, when Kanu missed from four yards and Batistuta slammed in that goal from an angle. Strange games. The Barca game was another odd one.
So, everyone seems quite upset with Eboue. I am sure that Arsene reads leGrove each day, so he should be on the bench tonight. No worries.
So, I don’t follow Kiev . . . what should we expect to see?
Talking of Kanoooooooooooooooo, do you remember when he missed a header from one yard??? I can’t remember the game, but it was right in front of us in the Clockend……
i was seriously stoned that night, vaguely remember laughing at Lee Dixons haircut.
Two very good teams battling it out marylandgunner, proper Champions League football, and hopefully a few good goals from Arsenal.
any means neccessary, who gives a fuck
http://www.onlinegooner.com/exclusive/index.php?id=750
Brilliant, and he agrees about Shearer.
Afternoon all!
Whats going on? Are we off the Eboue subject?
No one has even mentioned the two new boys!
Teams for tonight anyone?
Back again and WOW, I never thought Eboue could keep us going for that long…
Eboue = Fuckwit
Woops – should have been
Pedro – Sorry mate, i’m really no Eboue lover, but if he cheats to get us a penalty that’s converted and as a result we beat ManUre and secure the EPL title, what’s your thoughts then fella??
DDM, we wouldnt get a penalty at old trafford, just ask chary
DDM, I don’t really care about the penalty… it didn’t matter. He is a cheat and we know it.
The thing that annoys me is that when there is 50/50 challenge against him in the box at OT, which way will the ref swing?
You wouldn’t rest your reputation on Eboue being honest would you?
Beating the Mancs would be amazing… but having them say it was because we cheated wouldn’t be… I’d prefer us to spank them the usual way! Class and Style!
DDM, did I avoid you question well enough?
I think it was a penalty Saturday, no problem… But I dislike the theatrics that always follow with him – he needs to grow up!
Rico,
Eboue = Fuckwit
Hilarious.
Pedro – Ha ha ha, you are Le Politician of Le Grove……..
Afternoon Pedro,we beat the reigning champions this morning,went down to the last end and won by 1 shot.
Just scrolled down about the pass master.no one has actually managed any of his attributes.He can’t kick straight,can’t head a ball,can’t tackle.can’t cross a decent ball,but is good at looking at the ref and saying “who me” He is a total cunt,a very average footballer and a cheat end of
Pedro, Remember…..we all share different opinions and views, that is what this site is all about!!!
As Rico said, I can’t believe we have spent this much time discussing Eboue, who is NOT a cheat by the way
Different subject: we will win 2-0 tonight. RVP will convert two pens won by the pass master EBOUE
I really do have to concentrate on work as my secretary has been giving me the evil eye for the past hour!!!
Dont you just hate this time on a match day, 6 hours to go and i cant wait….
Eboue and Ade up front together, what a strike force
= 2 Fuckwits
Ok no more swearing, and I blame dennis, he started it!!
hounddog – yes he is
any team news?
Evo – team news is
Kiev v’s Arsenal
Kelsey, Bollocks you old fart!!!!
What’s this “end of” crap!!!! Pedro himself said that is the sign of a poor debater…..
Well done on the bowls by the way, I hope you did not strain or pull anything
Sorry Evo, that was naughty
rico, no he’s not
Poor debaters – good job there has not been a ‘mass’ of them
hounddog – i will resist
rico, no not naughty it was actually funny!!!! Beats the hell out of discussing Eboue (the man who does not cheat)
Rico, Well done, I did not think you would be able to resist….
Kelsey, not sure if you will find it on the OPTA stats, but surely Eboue must lead the way in “completed backheels” lol
End of…………………….lol
lol finest… anyway.. i don’t think that we will agree with the matter regarding fabregas…
a point to note is the two footed tackle fab gave to cole before the ” slap” which left fab writhing in pain!!
Pedro, where are you? I just signed all the papers my secretary had for me so I can play again
Denis -the Fiorentina game was my first ever; I was behind their goal in the second half – i.e. I was at the opposite end to where Battistuta scored.
I did get a lot of views of Arse strikers clasping their heads as they missed chance after chance – especially Kanu and your namesake. Definitely a case of things to come – all the possession, lots of squandered chances andd concede to a sucker punch and the only meaningful oppostion attack of the game.
..P.s, yes Chris I’m more likely to be dating Scarlett Johanssen than us getting a penalty at the Theatre of (wet) dreams.
This says a lot
SSN’s poll on Terry’s card over turned
65% say FA have got it totally wrong
no probs rico, quite cheeky
choy – the tackle on cole was gold, should do it again if he has the chance!
Rico, By the way, even with my glasses on I can’t see your picture very well. What is that sticking out of the goal? Is it a Hamster or a giant penis??
Almunia
Sagna Toure Gallas Clichy
Eboue Song Fabregas Walcott
RVP Bendtner
That’s the team I think Wenger shall bestow his faith in.
evo we were talking about moral fiber here
lol houndog!!!!
Don’t you pick on me again rico, you tinker…..
hounddog – neither
dennis
no moral when it comes to cashley mate
Hello to you all.
1. Getting Stan on the board is a good idea especially as he comes from a sporting background.
2. I thought we were gonna get the Vodafon man.
3. Re the EBOUE debate. I think we are taking it too seriously, I hear he is a joker in the dressing room and is obviously one on the pitch. I used to watch him and tear my hair off, no I just watch him and look out for the next joke he will come up with on the pitch.
Hello rico don’t let that nasty man hounddod bully you
i reckon Stan the man wants to get all his cash out of the states before there aren’t any more banks left.
Anyone remember Alan Skirton,he used to play on the wing and when he took a corner he hit the corner flag !!! true
how long till kick off? 5 hours or 6 hours?
Away from home in the CL I expect a 4 5 1
Expect RVP to be dropped and Song come in for him
I would like to see Vela and Walcott on the wings with a solid center of Denilson, Song and Fabregas.
The thing that annoys me is that when there is 50/50 challenge against him in the box at OT, which way will the ref swing?
Pedro… there is only one way those decisions go no matter who’s playing and whos reffing!!
Evo, 5 hours.
kelsey
Wait a minute…let me get this straight…you have NEVER seen a player stretchered off and then come back (a) into the same game, or (b) into the next game?
Oh you have, you just hate Eboue. Now I get it.
Frankly, you should be glad that another of the starting 11 is healthy enough to be in the squad rather than gloating as you are.
All hail Eboue!
Well Evo, it was 5 hours before kick off when I entered moderation – 4 hours 50 minutes now !
I don’t think we will see too many changes at least for the first 60 minutes,then Song and vela might come on. I don’t like 0-0 even if it means we dont concede I would happily accept 1-0
cheers chary – off to the sack for a quick 4 hour and 50 minute kip
see you all soon
Oakland – there is a lot more to it than that, he cheats, play acts, makes out he has broken both legs and ankles, torn all his ligaments…… then gets up and runs it off, he is an embarrassment some times, if he could get on and play football, he could be very good…. maybe
the most beautiful roses come with a lot of thorns rico!!!
Here here rico he is a disgrace to the name of arsenal always has been and always will be,even if the players like him,he knows exactly what he is doing and as you say if he could concentrate on learning to play football without all the theatrics everyone would be better off.by the way rico what part of the country are you based.
choy – he is a thorn alright, on a dead rose head….
Not far from Reading kelsey – any reason? Used to watch them a a young one, but fell for our mighty club in the Charlie George days, never looked back
No rico it’s just nice to know that so many of us live all round the globe,my son’s godparents live in crowthorne,quite near you,i think.
choy got the laptop today thanks,but rico and I will never agree with you on eboue.
chary, question for you sir, what team does kirk benedict’s son have a linkup to this week?
I bet you’ve seen skinny girls who put on a braver face than Eboue after a tackle Rico.
That tard gets far more attention than he requires, lets see some good performances before we start bigging up some lump.
4 more hours to go, I think we’ll win, I think RVP may be dropped, not sure about the rest but I think it’ll be the same plan as against Blackburn.
great to hear that kelsey… well its something i am sure you all will change your mind on when he scores a hat trick!!!
Pierre – I read that Roland Benedict son of Dirk (Face from The A-Team – oh the memories !!) has a trial with Gillingham
Ah, Pierre, I know Dirk Benedict’s son(George or Roland ?) is a striker for some college team but which one I don’t know.
I know DB unfortunatley appeared on Chelsea TV – I’m sure he was taking the piss out of the Chavs in his own understated way.
You know that Eboue will start . . . RvP will be on the bench. Wegner will look to play a more defensive game. Just my humble thoughts. Finest, I agree . . . Song will probably get the run out. Theo to start? I think so.
Chary . . . ah yes, Templeton Peck. I can relate . . . Templeton is my last name . . . Danger is my middle name.
Choy, I have been arguing all afternoon in support of Eboue but if he scores a hattrick I will most likely shit myself
Its kelsey, just a trip up the M4 –
It would be funny if Eboue read Le Grove, and all our comments today, he will be sat in his hotel room as we write, tears flowing,
‘Ade, can you believe this is what the fans think of me’?
Ade – ‘Sure can, they all still think I am ‘The Tosser from Togo’
Eboue – ‘Blimey Ade, is that how you kept yourself busy during the Summer’?
Ade – ‘Sadly yes, so now I got to keep it in me pants and start scoring to get the faith back’
Eboue – ‘ Guess I best try stay on me feet then, stop cheating, and start playing a bit more footie’
Ade – ‘ I thought you were – and you are just shite – le boss told me you were only here to make us all laugh’
i cant believe DDM yellow carded me for denial is not a river
Rico . . . too funny. He probably sprinkles water on all of his fan mail responses, to make them think that he is crying while writing. True professional.
finest – you are right, sadly though I have seen many who get up aan land a bigger punch than Rick Hatton – Scarey
choy – you are right about the hattrick, Tommy Cooper had a few of those up his sleeve, they made me laugh
funny post Rico….
yes rico
and after that when ade leaves the room he has a note saying ‘KICK ME’
stuck to his back
and eboue grins
ethan –
Chary, his sin Roland is on trial with Gillingham! watch this space.
stop making fun of the two emmanuels!!! hehehehe
I would have loved to have seen that Rico.
Eboue and Ade reading? Surely not.
bet the kick me note was written in crayon
“Eight minutes from time the visitors were awarded a penalty when Eboue went down in the area under a challenge from Stephen Warnock. The Arsenal midfielder’s trailing leg had clipped Warnock’s boot, but Mike Dean pointed to the spot despite the linesman on the nearside having a better view but he chose to make no decision.” The official view from Ewood Park, seems markedly more restrained than the one from the Grove!
sorry I really meant to talk about something else, honest!
finest – one particular incident ended up in The Sun Newspaper, and a Magistrates Court appearance – trust me, not very pleasant!! And no, I was not involved other than being in one of the teams playing.
That was 20 years ago, thankfully things seem to have calmed a bit, and womens football has a lot more of a ‘professional’ approach to it.
and Eduardo’s leg “Clipped” Taylors studs !!!
choy
the two emmanuels!
it sounds like an English tv comedy
Ryan – that Benedict fella was on Soccer AM Saturday, he was talking about his son, and how good he is…..
I just hope that Abramovich and Usmanov have a majority of their wealth in the Russian stock market
throw out ur USD
buy swiss currency, Aussie and NZ dollar, gold and silver(physical) not paper
speaking of which anyone seen that new English comedy on the bbc , HOW NOT TO LIVE YOUR LIFE !!?
absolutely the best comedy to come out of the UK since little Britain and the young ones!
eboue and ade should get a guest appearance it might raise there cult status
The real Eboue
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-460572/Why-food-nose-tiger-costumes-make-Eboue-funniest-guy-Emirates.html
Gillingham you say Pierre ? That’s just a half hour drive from my parents place and my former home town till recently. I went to a night club there with a “friend” not so long ago.
3 hours to KO, its going by so slowly, best have a cup of tea, and a fig roll…….
If, as it’s been said, that our pass master is one of the most hated players in the Premier League and if he’s especially hated by other teams supporters then – being the contrary kind of person I am – I can think of no better reason than that to elevate him to make into cult hero status.
If it winds up the Chavs/Mankskumers/Spudz then that’s good enough to me. The more they hate him, and provided he warrants selection, then I m happy that other teams supporters are pissed off by his presence. Could he be the Perry groves of 07/08 ? Probably not.
You know guys, I am beginning to warm to our pass master now, he’s got that unlikeable edge to him that can make him into an anti-hero, of sorts.
For football as thatre he could well be the first act pantomime villian who is transmogrified into one of the good guys- or a sympathtic bad guy at least.
I’ve confused myself now.
ethan – what night is it on please?
we should inject some of Eboue’s genes into Rosicky and Diaby, his recovery from injury is miraculous
I was recently in a “debate” with a fellow gooner who has a ridiculous hatred of Bendtner. I simply attemped to inform him that the Dane was in fact better than he thought. But he just wouldn’t listen.
This guy even went as far as saying that he prefered Eboue to Bendtner. I was shocked! He was so thick that he claimed Eboue could out-do Nicklas in every department including: power, passing, movement etc.
Those of you who (hopefully) agree with me please let me know. Does Eboues nothingness of last season and 1 assist and a dive this make him better than Bendtner. Least ye forget that last season bendtner, in his debut season, formed a great partnership with Dudu and showed he is a great finisher. (even if he is a tad frustrating.
Thanks in advanced!
Stu – I dont really rate either
doesn’t matter Stu – when he eats, sometimes he puts food up his nose – that’s it for me, Eboue is class. thanks finestcuts for that link, says it all, the guy is a legend!
Nor am I rico but i felt obliged to stand up for Bendtner when this uncalled for attack was thrust upon him. My football knowledge was even called into question by this fool. Am i really that wrong about him or is this guy going over the top. It actually hurt me when he suggested Eboue was a better “winger” than Nik is a striker. Who do ye prefer, ye dont have to like either but it would really help me sleep.
stu.. i rate niklas.. many don’t.. and the opinion is still out on eboue… he has started off well.. at least compared to last season!!
could be this season’s flamini!!
Rico – time must be going quicker for you – it’s nearer 4 hours than 3 to kick off. Tut, tut…
Stu, it’s like asking me to answer the question . . . which in-law do you like better?
But Stu, you must remember . . . much like in-laws . . . we are stuck with Nikky and Emmanuel. For better or worse, we have to face the future with them.
He’s not as funny as Vital Sp*rs at the moment.
Stuck with Nikki? I don’t understand why people don’t like him?
I think he’ll be a great player. Unselfish, creative, nice touch, good finish and powerful.
He is way ahead of what Ade was at his age and he is only 20!
Emmanuel “Mr. Bean” Eboue…..the pass master. Lets leave it at that.
chary – oh no!! bloody clock stopped
But Eboue is 5years Bendtners senior and there is still alot to come from him. It does seem though that we are stuck with Eboue forever (well, at least until Wenger retires or until Eboue releases AW’s loved ones. Surely manu has something on wenger, why else would he always get a start?)
As i said Nikki is only 20 and this is only his 2nd season in top flight football. Plus he has already showed he can come up with the odd goal when necessary.
Stu – what about his thumping header against the number 2(behind the barcodes) laughing stock of the Premuieir League, i.e the spuds ? Talk about super sub !
looking at spurs sitting bottom of the league seeing where we are and watching our team develop,looking forward to players coming back from injury and getting ready to open a few cans and watch arsenal in the champions league tonight MAKES ME A HAPPY GOONER. COME ON ARSENAL
Another Spuds gag : Now available in the Tottenham club shop: SPURS BANNERS – Come complete with interchangeable slogans Eg: – “LEVY OUT”, “COMOLLI OUT”, “RAMOS OUT”, “LET ME OUT” etc.. £15:00
To be honest, after all of Ades shinanigans over the summer I wanted Bendtner to take his place for the season. IMO Ade only gets in the team for his amazing workrate and little else. Bendtner fades in and out of games but when on form he is prob the 2nd best finisher at the club behind Eduardo. Am i wrong. IMO if Nik played as many games as Ade did last season then i feel thet he would have gotten as many as him.
Anyone know why the squad doesn’t like Bendtner tho?
I dont think Nik can play with Ade or RvP – next week against Sheffield, I hope AW plays Nik and Vela together – he needs a run of games to show how good he is.
Rico
HOW NOT TO LIVE YOUR LIFE , im sure its on either monday or tuesday ..
may even be sunday but i dont think so !
Im sure it was on yesterday night …
maybe
we dont get it here in Thailand .. i have to Download ..
stu… hes very very confident in himself, which the other probably see as arrogance, plus you have ade, eboue and kolo, who are probably the loudest 3 in the dressing room and he desnt seem to be on the same wavelength… he seems allot more sensible where those 3 clearly love a lugh and mucking around.
im not sure about bentdner, i think he could be top class but ets allot of stick, people forget his age and expect him to be in the cesc bracket of ability just because he’s at arsenal… im happy wiht him as 4th choice tho
Conclusive proof the gutter press hate us – there was an internet link to an article in the Mirror about the strength of the English representation in the Champions Leage which said something like “there’s been an English presence in all of the last 4 Champions league finals, except for 2006 when Barcelona played Arsenal”.
Quick doctor, my sides are splitting.
stu ,
i agree with you, confidence and a regular game for any player does wonders ..
look at theo ! and the reverse is look at denilson and bendtner ..
i think both have more class than ade/eboue .. but both have little time on the pitch to prove it ..
thanks ethan -
What about the private life of sol campbell i know something and max clifford brought him over here to keep it out of the papers
POWER,STRENGTH is what eboue and ade have over denilson and nik
yeah rico ,
its my warped sense of humor down too a tee !
Ican’t believe we are discussing this arsehole for hours on end,i’d rather watch paint dry,and if eboue scores a hattrick tonight you are all cordially invited over,if there are any plane companies left by the end of this week.
Thank god, I thought i was in the wrong but thankfully i was (for the most part) right. I dont know how to do links so all i can do is tell ye where the “debate” occured. Ok if i name the sight? Or should i keep quiet?
kelsey – Campbell ????
tiny
what eboue has over the other 2 is about 30 more starts a season and an inability to score , and a lust to fall on grass !
name and shame stu!
stu , if its a mass debate , i already know the site your on about
im sure pedro catches my drift !
where are the dirty stop outs ?
Geoff – pedro ?
is it lawn bowls day ?
Have I missed something ??? ethan/stu??
ethangunner yes we are in day 2 of the spanish championships
rico are you serious you don’t know what happened to ous sol just after that west ham game when he went missing
ethan dont forget eboue is only in the team most of the time cause of rosicky being injured. but so far this season he looks loads better,his passing accuracy has improved and he looks like hes thinking alot more and not always trying to find a killer pass. he got us a pen on saturday as well. give him a break.
I wouldn’t exactly call it a mass debate, it was basically just between the two of us with the odd gooner giving their individual support pr lack there of. I doulb anyone here has even read the comments going along with the article because there are only about 19 comments after it.
As far as i know the site doesn’t rival Le Grove in any way so will i give a location? Or is it against ‘Le Rules’?
no ..
he can only mean wrighty …maybe..
ive been to the bane of my existence that is ACLF
and its more like a morgue than a chat blog..
and stu hasnt left an entry there .. so i presume it can only be wrighty7 ?
stu … are you still with us ?
tiny is rosicky injured,never
either that or he booked with xl flights for a holiday hahaha
kelsey – no, honest
oh god stu spit it out already
Its not Wrighty, I haven’t gone there yet today so..
Its Goonertalk- nasri still out…….
Check it out if ye want.
tiny
id love to give eboue a break !
a 4 game break
and take ade with him
Kelsey. I do’t know either. What happened to Sol. Was it boy/girl problems?
10 comments stu !
i think we burned more comments on le grove talking about it than his whole blog
Just goes to show that not many can hold a candle to Le Grove especially in terms of fans.
But am i right or am i wrong.
okay rico he was caught in an uncomprimising position with a couple of blokes,the News of the world were going to publish the story as it was in a public place,and good old Max dealt with it and the same night of the west ham game he whisked him over here for a long weekend.People in the public eye especially entertainers and recently high profile footballers(remember he was an england player then) pay uncle max a retainer of 100000 pounds a year if there is a hint of a story getting leaked,though of course plenty are.There is more but that was the main reason he left arsenal to go to pompey.This is not a story,max has an apartment very near me and we have mutual friends and he spends a lot of time over here.he also represents Rebecca Loes (spelling) and we went out for dinner with her,max and simon cowell,(who i may tell you is a very courteous man) and i learnt alot also about beckham.and the best bit was that max payed.
stu – that is why Le Grove is the mutts nutts – if anyone on here talks like that to a fello blogger, Pedro/Geoff send them packing – here we are able to have a mass debate without calling eachother tossers….
Come on kelsey – what happened after West Ham….. PLEASE
Waht a silly boy SOl was. Why not taough it out? But then look waht happened to Justin Fashanu. Football is one of the last bastions of ‘blokei-ism’.
I think it would be brilliant if someone, say Robbie Keane, “came out”. After all, it is said that 0ne in eight men are gay.
Are you listening Freddie ?
Christ on a bike. My spelling is dreadful
What a numpty – this is 2008, who cares anymore…. thanks kelsey, where have i been
Off out for a while – catch up soon
maybe eboue is gay,can’t see a woman fancying him,and sheryl tweddie has gone out with about 8 aashley lookalikes before she married him.as they say horses for courses.
I thought everyone knew that Sol was gay!!! and you guys moan about Eboue diving and cheating
carling cup tickets £10 lower tier kids £5.00 that better
Stu, I have my doubts over Bendtner! You say Ade is chosen because of his work rate, what about the fact he is our most prolific goalscorer!! Back to Bendnter, his ball control lets him down and he has no first touch what so ever. I do believe he is a raw talent that has something to offer but I am really not convinced about him.
hounddog,it is so fucking hot i reckon i shed a 2 kilos in the game today,you should take it up haha
I for one never knew that Sol was gay and i kinda wish i still didn’t. Not that it really matters tho.
Off to the Bookies soon. Any tips?
Kelsy, interesting point on the Carling cup tickets. It is amazing that even the “kids” get a crowd of over 50,000. However now that the kids are the first team I guess we can expect for the under 14′s to play in the Carling cup (ha ha)
Kelsey, nah…it’s like salad, too fucking healthy. It’s bloody cold here in Germany!!!
Add in the cost of the flihjt, and it’s almost cheap Kelsey !
And Hounddog – I am so naive I didn’t even know the bloke I slepp with is gay !
joke ….
Well I guess no one bent over to pick up the soap in the shower when Sol was around, ha ha. Soprry, could not resist that one.
Big Raddy, that was funny but I would not even joke about that
Hounddog, you are probably 500kms south of me (or maybe more), Don’t complain about the cold.
Should be positively balmy in Kiev
Hounddog- our top scores he may be but prolific? I dont think so. Im sure that im not the first, nor will i be the last, to complain about his finishing. He scored so many goals because of the service he gets. But him in a spurs team and he would, like all of their shite, be useless. Its no coincidence that he hit his peak at Arsenal especially with the likes of Cesc, RvP, a fit Rosicky and now Nasri supplying the passes.
In short, he only scores so much because he gets (and misses) so many chances.
You write pretty good English for a German Hounddog. You must be one clever chap
Big Raddy, No I am a 54 year old Englishman that has lived in Germany since I was 19.
stu i was answering rico,it wasn;t meant to be a headline story no offence meant
don’t get that one raddy
Add in the cost of the flihjt, and it’s almost cheap Kelsey !
raddy he is an 84 year old englishman who got captured in the war
Stu, the point is that he DOES score. Whilst I agree wholeheartedly that we could have a better striker, his record is very good.
Though Nik B has a better than one goal in two games for Denmark. (we see a lot of Bendtner shirts over here). In a year or two, he will be a big player for us.
Kelsey… flight…… it is the Alzheimer’s. I am even older than Hounddog !
Raddy me and hounddog have been communicating by e mail for quite a while and just after i joined here i suggested to him it was the best blog gooners,as we both got victimized on another site,amongst others.
Stu, I hear you, by prolific I mean his 30 goals last season, who came any where close to him in our team??? His finishing aggrevates me too as if it was better he would most likely have added another 10 to his tally. As for service isn’t that what we expect our strikers to get??? Also if you don’t get chances then how do you expect to score goals. Your logic is a bit out of whack I think.
raddy so am i
Kelsey, ahhh I like that, I presume you are admitting the fact you are older than me
how long for the match to kick off guys?
Kelsey, isn’t it great when you go out to a fine restaurant, the bill comes,…. you’re think “this could be painful “, and then someone says …. ‘I’ll take care of it’. ….Well played Mr. Clifford
Normally people expect me to ‘take care of it’. I guess it is one of the penalties of ‘maturity’ !
Two long hours Niraj
Big Raddy on that note, can we all meet up today for match and dinner??? lol
I am stunned by what you said Kelsey, how can you be sure this is not wild gossip?
eboue scores tonight….. and so does vela
dont think RVP will be risked tonight
The Weather in Kiev is 9 c with light rain, conditions we’re quite used to.
Of course Niraj. My pleasure
Kick off is in 1 1/2 hours.
There will be a live stream here:
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/?page_id=56
May need it Finest. Do you get CL football on TV ?
Needless to say they are showing AABvCeltic and MU over here.
Crap….
I used to go to the bar to watch it Big Raddy, or a Blackburn fans house to watch matches.
In Warsaw they’re broadcasting the Manyoo match on public TV.
Iubscribed to official Arsenal TV but I had problems with it on my puter but was forced to cancel (I had a prog which blocked explorer, but I’ve uninstalled it….I hate explorer because it has so many exploits and screws with computer registry….I understand that you can now use Safari browser on there), I might re-subscribe because the test signals are working now.
Here in Germany we have a TV company called Premier World (very much like SKY) They show the top 4 English teams live along with every CL and UEFA Cup game. It costs me 46 Euro a month. The sports channel portion is a press the red button and select the game system plus you can select the language. Same deal with the six movie channels.
I had it as well Finest. But I only got re-runs and commentary. I stopped it because I got bored with the commentators, and the site as a whole was amateur.
Hopefully the feeds will work tonight. They were poor for the B’burn game (so I am told)
Do Arsenal TV show games live? I would have thought there would be copyright issues.
By the way, thanks for all the computer defences. I downloaded them all and have had no problems since
Actually Raddy,he is a very generous man(Max), his wife died about 2 years ago of cancer,and he has a disabled daughter with spina bifida. in a wheel chair.
That’s what is nice here,9 months in the year guys walk around in t shirts and shorts,its all very casual,no real class distinction,but like everywhere you get the places for all the posers,flashing the cash.You get the occasional drug related shooting,but generally a much safer enviroment to england today.Don’t get me wrong,i love england but it is not the country anymore that i grew up in.
Lucky sod Hounddog. We get all the EPL games, but with Danish commentary – which is better than nothing.
You can get SKY and Setanta anywhere in Europe, you need a 120 cm dish and a digibox.
I know Finest. I have it in my house in Italy – but in CPH I live on the top floor of an apartment block that has banned dishes (can’t blame them – they are ugly things)
wat about justin.tv they showed the blackburn game with english commentary and though you get a few seconds delay,the picture quality was good.Arsenal tv will show a recording of the whole game either tomorrow or the day after.
Don’t know if you guys are into music , but if you are, and you are not into rap/tech/math/etc but like great songs played with atmosphere, and brilliant instrumentation……
Check out the new Calexico album Carried to Dust. Sheer Genius.
Though going from the link you pasted a couple of days ageo Finest – it won’t be to your taste.
Glad to help Big Raddy, there are a few new tools I’ve discovered, I’ll let you know about them if you’re interested, but there is one that ALL Grovers can do with.
http://www.sandboxie.com
Even if you do accidentally download a trojan or spyware, it can’t get into your system using sandboxie.
LOL, that link was just a joke Big Raddy, the song is a “no scrubs” bootleg. My taste in music is mainly dance, but I do enjoy all kinds, if it sounds good, I’ll listen to it. I actually mainly like instrumental music with no lyrics…..ranging from the electronic to classical.
I like the Champions League theme tune
evening all.. am stuck at work.. so will have to live with uefa.com updates!!!
Kelsey, I know what you mean, I feel the same way about Germany. I love England but I don’t consider it as my home. As you know I have a home in Naples Florida as well and to be very honest we spend more time in the states than in England. About the only time I go to England now is when we have friends from the states come over and we visit London for shopping or something. I have to admit that I far prefer the continental way of life. Please no posts accusing me of being anti English.
Evening all, dirty stopout here, only juust over an hour and we can start!
Kelsey, I am surprised by the info you’ve been given because from what I read he boarded a Eurostar train to Brussels.
http://www.bookrags.com/highbeam/sols-back-on-the-rails-as-he-returns-20060206-hb/
Seems we are part of the Grey Exodus (or white flight, but that suggests racism) . kelsey/Hounddog. !!
Surely that is what Max Clifford is paid for Finest. – Disinformation
Yes Geoff – less than an hour now ….. hope it starts before I spend all my ill-gotten gains on Ebay !!
I don’t think there are racist Arsenal fans big Raddy, but I do believe some people favour certain players because they come from their home country, such as Kanu, voted 16th greatest Arsenal player of all time or something ridiculous like that.
I don’t believe Clifford is as powerful as that, sure he can pull strings, but what is there to stop a reporter putting it online? What can Max Clifford do about it?
Raddy – the album you mention, can you liken it to anything – Not much into todays stuff, guess thats down to my age
Like the Bulger killers, there was a law censoring their photos in the UK, but the UK cannot control what is posted outside UK territory, so anyone who wanted to see their pics could. Local censorship is impossible with the net.
Team news just in…Eboue does not start!!!! Oh no, no pass master…..
ArsenalManuel Almunia
Bacary Sagna
Kolo Toure
William Gallas
Gael Clichy
Denilson
Alexandre Song
Cesc Fabregas
Theo Walcott
Emmanuel Adebayor
Robin Van Persie
Substitutes Lukasz Fabianski
Carlos Vela
Aaron Ramsey
Jack Wilshere
Johan Djourou
Nicklas Bendtner
Emmanuel Eboue
So why would Kiev [lay in a tiny stadium that houses 18000 instead of the Olympic one that they used tp that houses 80000 that way they get more money?
Manuel Almunia
Bacary Sagna
Kolo Toure
William Gallas
Gael Clichy
Denilson
Alexandre Song
Cesc Fabregas
Theo Walcott
Emmanuel Adebayor
Robin Van Persie
thats the starting 11 guys!
almunia
sagna gallas toure clichy
song
fab denilson walcott
rvp ade
And guess what – that was from AFC.com – Blimey!!
it looks like denilson is goin to be on the left!!!! thats confused me…..
Very good, Fab out wide with Song on for some extra defensive cover, good stuff.
Geoff, they play in the smaller stadium as the average Ukrainian does not make that much money and can’t afford the ticket prices.
shud be like this
almunia
sagna toure gallas clichy
theo song denilson RVP
cesc
ade
Kenny, Walcott, LW, Fab4 RW.
Rico. Go to BBC’s iplayer. Then Radio 2. Find Bob Harris Saturday show Listen Again. There is a Calexico track on the programme about 47 minutes in.
Try it, you may like it.
Or you could listen to the whole show, Whispering Bob plays some brilliant music. Highlights of this show are Kimmie Rhodes, Emmylou Harris, Okkervil River, and Glasvegas.
But that is my taste being an old muso….
Finest Raddy is right,i just looked up that link,but i assure you what i have told you is correct.Nearly everything in the tabloids are lies.I am not on a racist subject at all about england not being the same place as when i grew up there.i am mainly talking about the lack of respect,especially by the younger people to behave in a decent and law abiding way,though i am sure this applies all over the world.When i was younger i never locked my car,we had the back door open all day and it was generally a safer environment.
my wife was in the limelight several years ago,as a sort of celebrity,and at the time the tabloids made a complete meal writing stories about her.geoff and hounddog can verify that,so I have had first hand dealings with the media and tabloids.
Anyway the game is on skysports 3 and i am sure everyone would prefer to talk about football.
Hounddog, aren’t they renovating their main stadium for Euro 2012….that’s what it said on Arsenal.com.
Great line up.
And Pedro……. Eboue ……. if he had been fit, he would have played.
Have to laugh we have been blogging all day about eboue,and he’s not playing
Raddy – I will, thanks heeps
Team – this could be good tonight
yeah eboue is carrying a slight knock after he was taken out by warnock!
Finestcuts. That could well be but I just returned from the Ukraine and Slovakia (business trip) and I can assure you that they are poor folks. My Ukraine interpreter who loves Liverpool (wanker) said that they were afraid of not selling enough tickets and they wanted a full stadium and that is why they are in the smaller one.
We’ll miss him Kelsey
I didn’t think it was possible for such a thing to be covered up Kelsey, but yes I know that the press is a propaganda machine……they even give out free papers to people on the tube these days………..free propaganda…enjoy.
I would not have suspected Sol Campbell of doing that, but how do they keep it under wraps, I’d like to know but I never will.
haha Geoff was wrong
Fair enough houndog, once again, I do not know….and i don’t dispute the Ukraine and Slovakia have a low income per capita compared with established EU countries.
Finestcuts. I think we would all be amazed if we knew the real truth about some of these celebs. I have nothing against any one being gay or any thing like that but some times it is the ones that you least expect. I work for the government and have ties to the military, you would be surprised at how many of these tough looking guys are leaning towards the other side.
Okay, enough of this, we need to talk football. I will stick my neck out and say 2-0 to the Gunners. Enjoy the game. Cheers.
(just got on so no time to read all the posts so far)
I agree Raddy, if EE27 was 100% he would have started. As it is I can’t quite work out how we’re going to line up, neither Cesc nor Denilson are any good out wide.
If Robin went in his Dutch team position on the right, Theo left and Ade as lone target man, Cesc and Denilson centre and Song as the wall, that would be a lot better imo.
2-0 sounds good to me….I’ll take 1 like Wenger.
I would hounddog, it is their life and they make their lifestyle choices, but with so many beautiful women out there it seems odd, maybe it’s a power thing where they make friends.
Could it just be possible that we will change formation? Play 3 CB’s, allowing our FB’s to play further forward.
Highly unlikely, but this line-up could do it
finest didn’t rooney get married a few months ago and the press said he had a stag night somewhere,don’t remember where,anyway he was here in marbella in the house simon cowell rents for the x factor and the agents demandd 25000 pounds deposit on top of the rent in case of damage. The point is whatever they reported it was purposely a lie to get the tabloids off his back.only 300000 people officially live in marbella and it’s a bit like a village compared to london and you hear things as someone knows someone else who you know etc.
is the game on anywhere tonight on the net please help if anyone knows
just worrying about width tonight. if walcott is left and cesc is on the right….. well theo isnt a left winger and cesc isnt a right winger. both will be drifting infield alot
What’s the chances of Pires scoring the winning goal against the Mancs tonight??
Raddy I think that is the principle of playing Song as DM, he can drop back if the full backs are raiding further up, and Kolo/Willy can spread out to cover them.
————–Almunia————–
——–Toure——-Gallas———
Sagna————————Clichy
—————Song—————-
——–Fabregas—Denilson——-
van Persie—————–Walcott
————-Adebayor————-
I think that’s pretty well balanced.
2-1 or 1-1 will do for me.feeling in my water cesc will score.best of luck boys.
About 12 mins and your questions will all be answered. Enjoy the game everyone. Time for me to go….
try justin TV gooner 32
Oh shit, Song, you lot better be right about him, I’ll be prepared to eat my hat.
thanks kelsey i owe you top man
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/?page_id=56
Good quality stream.
Excellent. I have a stream, with Smudger Smith chatting
song in
have a listen to the wanker on the loud speaker
what strip we got on tonight?
Song is shit, his give away led to their corner, and why are their names in lower case?
yellow away strip.
i hope pires scores for villareal tonight to beat the scum
jesus did Gallas just head a cross away??!
*faints*
http://www2.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=18430&part=sports
pretty bloody boring so far
TWAT
TWAAAAAT
Jeez Ade, you did all the hard work.
Can anyone recommend a good stream? Mine is not broadcasting anymore.
that was shocking from ade
I am using the same as Evo. It is good so far
finest – use one of the star sports ones from the link i posted
Porto 2-0 Fenerbahce
cheers
everyone’s wishes of Eboue to play can still come true!
Substitutes:
Lukasz Fabianski
Carlos Vela
Aaron Ramsey
Jack Wilshere
Johan Djourou
Nicklas Bendtner
Emmanuel Eboue
this is dull, what are we afraid of
is cesc playing in the wings or in the middle?
if we get the first one, we’ll get three
if they score first we will be up shit creek
love that guille franco guy for villareal, he cried his guts out the year we beat them to go thru to the final. he just got yellow carded for up ending evra.
lol Evo remember Riquelme’s eyes waiting to take that penalty, that was a great moment
seb – that was glory days. he out psyched himself in taking that penalty, lehmann had his measure no probs
Robin why are you even back defending, we all know you are shit at it, thats a yellow minimum
I don’t know why they dont just play Wilshere, hes good enough, denilson on the wing is a bit imbalanced
cant believe the ref hasnt shown any cards yet, he looks pretty itchy
I have to ask myself, is it worth having Ade in the team when he fucks up so many times a game? It’s not even funny.
RVP is slowing becoming the side netting king
ohhhhh great move unlucky robin
what a debacle
NO NO NO NO
aaaaaaarghhh!!! how did Cesc miss!
shouldnt be any injury time eboues not playing
WHERE IS THE PASS MASTER!!!! bring him on…
not happy with RVP having to play so wide on the left.
Ade would be dangerous if he could shoot – the most frustrating player ever to wear an Arsenal shirt
why the fuck isnt vela playing on the left wing tbh
should be 1 or 2-0 up by now, and i’ve only watched since the 20min mark – just in time for Ade’s shocking miss.
BTW, aren’t they playing in the smaller stadium due to renos of the olympic stadium for Euro2012??
C’mon Pires
helsinki – yeah smaller stadium
Are we watching the same game Evo? A debacle ? O-O Half-time in a country we have never won before. PLus we have created all the chances.
Has Almunia made a save/ No, he hasn’t.
My concerns lie with the positional play of RvP and Denilson. They don’t seem to know where to play, as a consequence Denilson is anonymous, and RVP is looking ponderous. As to Ade…. He is infuriating, beats players with ease, then misses easy chances.
I think we will win this….
the strip is shit and have you seen ade’s miss from behind the goal,fuck me 80k a week.were is everyone playing,ade started left wing,theo can’t get in the game,cesc(new hairstyle)doesn’t look fully fit to me,rvp was lucky not to get carded,the whole team seems unbalanced.
i agree we need Vela, there just isnt enough movement up front for Cesc to play the killer ball. We need players interchanging more.
I think despite three or four goof-ups, Song is doing ok as a protection for the back four. We are getting caught repeatedly on our right though because Theo isn’t tracking the advancing full back.
kelsey – we’re not playing esp well, but still, should be up 2-0 at least, and we’ve created 2-3 chances ourselves, not counting the Ade miss…so not all doom and gloom yet…
We all know the Pass Master will sort it out.
the pass master oh yes i forgot him.theo needs to track back as someone said,rvp will bang one in i’m sure.
finestcuts, Sorry I was wrong about the stadium. The main stadium is being renovated. I am watching the game on German TV and they were just talking about it. Can’t believe Ade and Cesc missed two sitters.
big rad – the debacle i was referring to was that goal that went begging that cesc was on the end of. sorry should have clarified a bit more at the time
we will win, don’t worry.
ok hear goes
Sorry Evo…
no probs mate, i too think we will win this, although theo is getting double teamed and he definitely doesnt have his boots on tonight.
theres that stupid lady on the loud speaker again, surely that should be banned. the commentators even just mentioned it
You’re right about the kit Kelsey. One of the worst I have seen
is Ade growing a beard???
and the kit is great, are you mad?!
fuck garry neville – he just went into pires’ shin with a full foot and studs showing and then complained about having a free kick against.
WHERE the hell is FABREGAS?!?!?
The man has never been in better form, and yet Ive never seen a first half where he has had SO FEW TOUCHES
Cmon…everything he touches is golden (cept that scuffed shot)…..get him the ball!!
Its infuriatingly like when he plays for Spain and is just pushing too far up because of congestion center of midfield…
Nightman noone is moving in front of him, who can he pass to? We are too much behind the ball. We need Nikky B and Vela for Ade and RvP.
well there at least he had a shot
Poor Theo is getting a good kicking this evening
get vela on ffs wenger, bring off denilson and put van persie further up with ade
cesc is playing too far up the pitch cause song is running the midfield
twat kolo
Our whole team is in long sleeves, what a bunch of nancies, we might as well have worn dresses and had flowers in our hair.
My problem isnt that no one is moving…its that he isnt getting the ball in the first place…
He is too far up to have as much influence as he should have…the ball isnt being supplied to him
When he does get it he can put it anywhere…I am just saying they need a tactical change…
fuck
for fucks sake
sorry kolo it was willy
thats what happens when you dont take your chances
jesus Bak why even put your arms around him
he has tried to hold people back a couple of times tonight, something he needs to iron out of his game and fast.
now we;re shagged
crowd is nuts
Fucking clueless……………
we cannot lose this. Let’s go boys…..
it was sagna paul..
sagna needed to be standing in front of that guy i was going to be a free header if he was allowed to jump cause no way for sagna to out jump him from behind
now Mr Wenger show us why you did not need to buy in the transfer window
paul is talking about gallas missing that long ball which led to the penalty…
THE PASSMASTER IS WARMING UP
REJOICE
get either Denilson or Song out (I liek them both)….but we need a real winger on the left.
Jack? Vela? Someone!
curse of kiev
I agree with you paul, you don’t take your chances, you get what you deserve…….
bendtner to come on
ffs bring in eboue!!!
Bizarre
good move. let cesc take over the midfield
need to drop gallas
Fuck me what are we doing
18 minutes left, we need to get hold of the ball for 2 minutes and calm down.
this is really bizarre
Gallas and Clichy are having a mare together
I see Denilson’s back to his best………..
bringing bentdner on was a mistake, we needed vela on the left and v persie up with ade
Cesc’s whole body language suggests he wont be commanding the midfield
Dont worry chaps we have still got our 70mil in the bank
get vela on
Fab4 looks fucked
jesus paul this is not the time
Get Vela on for RvP
Last thing we need..
WTF is Wenger doing??
Fucking offside again…………..cunt.
the pass master on
eboueeeeee our saviour
Even more bizarre
Bring on Adebayor oh sorry my mistake
Eboue is way more attacking than Sagna ddm
Stop whining!!!!
Not clinical enough up front, and not disciplined enough at the back, same old same old……
im sorry to say this lads, but we are not winning anything this season. we were playing brilliantly this time last season and we won fuck all, we are playing worse. im rapidly losing faith in wenger…
how funny is that, adebayor sending a cross into the box. he’s the one who should be standing in the box to head the goal
Seb – So, wouldn’t Vela be more attacking than Eboue??
Good move arsene a bit late i hope not
C’mon Fabster……….
it can still easily be a draw
Vela yes, will he have time to affect things….
Offside!!
ddm Eboue has the legs and ability to get back as a right back if needed as well
Vela for Sagna would leave us too exposed on the counter
ffs
they are playing like spuds
You lot are dreaming – we’re going to lose this game and AW will come out with some ridiculous crap to ‘explain’ why!
Vela’s a finisher.
time to bench sagna and gallas
put JD and eboue in the back
to be fair, ade is giving it everything
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
YEEEESSSSS
Get in
I’m so wrong – what a prat I am, but I’m too happy to care!
what does giving all give?
he fluffed 2 clear chances and was out of position most of time
Great cross Theoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo………………..
YTESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
WILLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
told you
What was that GG
nice gallas. scored a few of those this season
could that have been offside? fuck it, its a goal
bring on the win now
YEYSYSYEYEYEESSSeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
another plz.
oh all ye of no faith
he does get us a couple of goals good old willy, but his defending has been awful tonight
i thought the ref had blown for offside in actual fact
A draw would not be a bad result at all against this lot
Fuck me theyve got Drogbas twin
raddy
though he scored..he still is at zero contribution to the game
he just squareed the mistake he did.
Hypocrites you all!!! A few mins back, you a were asking for Gallas’s head, and now he’s gallas the man?:P
Phew!
Evo in Oz says:
September 17, 2008 at 9:27pm
it can easily be a draw
Ateeb he still had a shite game
bet the ref only adds on half of that time wasted just now
there was another fkin minute to play….
that point tastes very nice right bout now…
it’s a good point imo
ooh looks like AW is gonna chin the ref, Patty Rice was holding him back
He’s given us an away goal though.
Paul:
Shit game? Well the scoreline doesn’t suggest that. Taking into account the fact that the penalty was really harsh. Were you watching the same game?
Ateeb enough with the name calling, Gallas fucked up leading up to the penalty and Bangoura was all over us like a rash, so people are entitled to have been less than happy with him.
The goal helps people forget all that though.
smh, bludy arsenal, we dont like to do things easy do we?
Where was wilshere, we needed a player like him today on the wing, age dont matter, he was somebody we could have done with, there was no balance in midfield, we were even worse after the goal when Song went off.
Glad we got the point, but I bet Wenger will be pissed, remember, he doesn’t slag the team off to the media, hes got the media to do that anyway, but privately, he will let the team know that they were shit today, they better buck up before the next CL game.
ateeb
gallas was shyter than fat robinson
Heres something that will cheer you up.Imagine being a spud supporter and thinking about the stick they were going to give us.Then we score ha ha.
manure ended in draw?
What was wrong with Cesc?
I thought Song was pretty solid.
Seb:
Was I talking to you? In my last post where did you read ” Seb this message is for you”? The post was directed at Paul, stay out of it.
What a dreadful game Adebayor had. Worse than dreadful. He didn’t produce a single positive thing in the match.
Offsides, lack of control, loss of posession, slowing down attacks, taking passes aimed for others, headers missed. And he almost screwed up Gallas’s goal. Rubbish
Positives from the game? I guess Song played OK. Theo never gave up. That’s it
Good result. That wasn’t a penalty in any case. Need to win the home games, that’s mandatory, and we should win 1 out of the remaining 2 away games. Now for bolton!
wenger should take gallas to a seperate room and slag him till he bleeds out
the set up was a bit fucked today, but a tasty point is good on an away game in cuntsville i say, so bank it!
could have been worse, like the man scum playiing at home and having a 0-0 result
We had a very narrow team, playing 3 CMs will do that to you. We should have started far more adventurously and then brought Song on to stiffen things up once we had scored.
In my humble opinion.
Ateeb whats your problem we all have an opinion wether we agree or not chill out
agreed seb
Sorry guys but some of you are really shit fucking supporters!!! I can’t believe some of the stupid comments that have been made in the last 20 minutes.
Stop bitchin. This is Le Grove, we don’t do that here.
Right Seb, the team was off-balance. RvP just didn’t know where to play.
Ateeb trust me, you wouldn’t have lasted this long if certain people had been on. All you have done is take issue with individuals, this site is for like-minded people who want to see us play well and succeed, and enjoy discussing the team’s performance, all you have contributed is the following:
- Stop whining !!!
- Hypocrites you all !!!
- ….Were you watching the same game?
Your tone is antagonistic and non-constructive, so don’t get on your high horse with em, bring something interesting to the table rather than criticise other people.
bbc says the penalty was mega harsh!!!! also what do u think about the stoppage time? there was a kiev player down injured for half of it!!!
At least we got a 1-1, we got the point, nothing to celebrate but it could have been much worse to be honest.
*with me
Gallas…does what is expected of a captain, he had a crap game but put the ball in the net when it counted.
Lessons learnt tonight:
a) never play RVP in the left wing, he is effective, and dangerous in RM or center forward position!
b) people dive if you put your hand on their side.
c) cesc needs to play his role than adjusting to different partners and combinations.
d) Denilson is useless when you play Song.
finestcuts. Spot on. Well said.
If that had been Theo brought down in that manner at the other end, we would have screamed for a pen & rightly so. Sagna had his arms around the guy.
Yes Raddy RvP was wasted on the left, he never plays on the left ever, it was a crazy move.
I have a feeling Cesc is missing his buddy Hleb, and when Nasri isn’t playing there’s noone of a similar level of passing for him to link with.
When (if) Rosicky and Nasri are fit, we will play the greatest football in history.
Its such a mystery that our back four individually are as good as anybodys,but together its a different story any thoughts?
And oh, finally, I felt somewhat secured with Eboue on the ball forward. Good improvement there..
We don’t like it when we’re mugged do we? Get rid of cheats in football.
I agree with Seb. Nasri-Cesc-Rosicky with Song in the back would be some midfield. Not to mention RVP-byewhore in the front.
That Gallas is an accident waiting to happen.If we can win the league and cl with the comedy twins i am gonna shack my goldfish.
Good positive comments Seb
A result in Kiev is not a bad start to our CL campaign.
Ridiculous stoppage time, poor drama from Ukrainian cunts.
Finest, it could and more to the point should have been much better. Ade’s miss early in the first half set the tone. We just were not clinical enough in the final third.
Credit must go to their defenders, because the only time Theo (or anyone else) got behind their defence , we scored.
But I would have taken a point prior to the game, and it would be churlish to be pissed off now.
Seb,
lol. It’s ok to slaughter the team, the manager and the directors, but when you take issue with the people who do so, that’s not ok.
In fairness the pen was a pen and can not be classified as cheating!!! Granted some refs would not have called it but Sagna had his arms around the guy and you just can’t do that.
The salvaged point helps…..I need to see a replay of that penalty, I have a feeling it was not legit. Kiev got their tactics right overall, closed down space, made movement difficult, problem is when teams do that we don’t always have a plan B.
It was never ever a penalty. First look it appeared stone wall, watching the replay it was horrific cheating by the kiev attacker, who “cleverly” had his left arm round sagna, practically ripping his shirt off his back and threw himself forwards pulling sagna on top of him. Made it look like definite pen, it was actually a foul on sagna! as every pundit has pointed out.
You’re right seb, it was the same last season – we can’t play our football with only one playmaker, we needed two of Cesc, Hleb, Rosicky last season, and this year just substitute nasri for hleb. We can still win without them, but can’t play the true arsenal way. VP, Bendtner, and Vela can/could help out to an extent, but it’ll never be the same.
Cesc should have scored I have to say. He knew that too when he missed.
G07 I couldn’t agree more about Eboue, he had real drive forward, his passing was 95% accurate and I think he gave the team the boost they needed to keep attacking. He is a great squad player to have imo, he is fearless.
Credit to Theo for keeping on going despite some shocking treatment, he got his assist as reward (I think).
Big Raddy, Ade and Cesc should have taken their chances when they had them. You right though, before the game I think we would have all settled for the point.
gooner07 – great points!
id like to add Wenger needs to bite the bullet earlier and not persist with something that is clearly not working for so long!
Eboue looked keen and attacking from right back immediately, so that was fine.
Bendtner and vela had no chance to make a difference, we didnt have the ball enough for them to score.
that ref easily missed 2 mins of added on time IMHO
you’re right finest, it was 100% not a pen, not an iota of doubt. sagna had both his arms in the air, but the kiev bloke’s arm coming back round sag also looked like is was sag holding, when you see the replay it isn’t. incredibly impressive cheating though however despicable, not a single person scrutinising the replay would give it as a pen, but 99% of people seeing it at first would call it in a second
Jules I think what is and isn’t acceptable on here has long been established.
so Porto lead our group on 3 points with a GD of +2
benzema scored for lyon
Sort of houndog, but you never really do deep down. You always want Arsenal to win.
paul – probably lack of defensive coaching……..
only criticism for me on the pen was Sagna had no chance to head that ball in the challenge cause the kiev guy was jumping in front of him, sagna need to be backing his back into the guys guts from the front
good day grovers
close call. another dubious penalty but overall a good point taken.
well said seb cesc isn’t quite as potent as he was last year at this time .i think nasri will give him that outlet he needs .i am gonna go with theo over rosicky however he will learn his space and he seems to be floating more and more each game as for Ade the guy really does have to learn his timing .at 20 you can understand lack of composure at 25 he just isn’t learning
Lacklustre. Song did OK but him being in there crowded the middle and negated the creativity of Cesc and Denilson. Cesc couldnt get into the game and RVP out on the left is something, as a gooner, u never want to see again. I reckon if we played the starting 11 against BB we would have had a much better/comfortable night. I loved the impetus EE gave us when he came on and although i’m glad we got the point i’m still livid with Billy for that shambolic performance. Forget the fact the penalty (which was never one) came from his mistake. The shot they had that hit the post came from an even worse error. A couple of times he knocked the ball down to Bangoura ffs. Nobody really stood out and i hate it when we make average teams look world class. Now for a positive……we played shit (on a par with the Fulham performance) and got something out of the game.
finest, I agree with your point. But tonight, there was no need for plan B (at least) until that shambolic penalty, when you get chances like we did. We had decent chances to score – side netting, straight at keeper, and wide enough blazers, but strangely nothing into the net. I’m sure Wenger would be speaking to his players tonight. It’s important to convert the chances, as we saw today, a single dive could turn things the other side.
Of course they should Hounddog.
The slagging that the defence is receiving by some people is just not justified. We were playing a CL side, not shit like Bolton, and they had TWO shots on target, one of which was the pen. Yet according to some, Gallas is a dreadful player. How many headers did they win in our area? How many times was Gallas beaten on the ground? The one occasion he messed up with distribution, he was the guy who made the recovering tackle.
I accept that I can see a different game to some, but to me this criticism is groundless.
I agree about EE27.
Finestcuts. I agree with you once again. Deep down we want to win every game with a clear cut result but unfortunatly in life we just have to accept something different some times. If we had taken our chances when we had them we would not have even worried about the pen. It was a definite pen in my opinion but it was one of those type pens that not every ref would call.
Seb,
Yes. I understand this site. It is one where if you take issue with somebody who is being negative towards the team, the manager and the directors, your post will not be accepted. On the other hand, all abuse towards people who defend the team, the manager and directors is acceptable, including all the swear words in the dictionary.
Incredible set of double standards don’t you think ?
Chaps – would we really have taken a point before kick off?? I’m not so sure, as imho i believe Kiev to be the weakest team in our group……..
shoulda been something seriously addressed after liverpool last year gooner07 .Take the chances
“Bendtner and vela had no chance to make a difference, we didnt have the ball enough for them to score.”
Exactly right Evo. Wenger is not always right with his subbing. He needs to give strikers like bendtner a bit more time as they get into the game with their style, and posture. They clock their speed to optimal levels as they lack pace, but rely on timings, and spatial gaps. Vela OTOH needs to start a game ASAP, he’s good enough to impose himself in the game even in last few minutes unlike a bendtner, so to speak.
Big Raddy, my point exactly. Some on here have posted without thinking, there has been some pretty stupid remarks made. The pen turned the game, up to then Kiev were no threat.
The comments we sometimes make are made of frustration in being a supporter of the team you love whoever they are.I watched my first live Arsenal game in 1967 i have had my head kicked in for wearing our colours.I give my all at the Emirates even though i am surrounded by the prawn sandwich brigade.If i came home and found my wife in bed with Cesc i would go downstairs and make them a cup of tea.I love Arsenal and always will but will always say it as i see it.
Hounddog and Finest. I agree with you both.
And with that I am going to watch the other matches.
Night
hello people.
ı thought that was shıt and ı couldnt understand why dıdnt Wenger play Vela on the left
and them cunts ın whıte are dırty lıttle trıcksters.
also does what was wenger complaınıng about as ı was watchıng the match at the hotel bar were they was havıng a Kareoke seasıon. so ı was watchıng the match ın Mute.
Jules I used to think that myself a while back, but once you actually get to know people and their opinions, there are actually very few that make personal attacks.
I think if you read through the last few weeks of posts you will see plenty of people defending players, the manager’s choices, the way the board is running things, etc. And you will see plenty of people unhappy with exactly the same things.
The point is how you react to others comments – do you present your own opinion, or just criticise others? The guy tonight presented nothing of his own. If he had said, ‘I don’t think Gallas has been as bad as some think, imo he did a good job of x y and z’ then fine, instead he chose to label grovers as ‘hypocrites’ and ‘whiners’. Personally I don’t find that acceptable behaviour. Sorry if you do.
well i think wenger wanted a draw wasn’t it .. well thats what we got!!
negativity before the game.. 4-5-1 without hleb or nasri.. will just not work…
who was the best player for arse? theo?
paul, the image of you making tea downstairs while your wife gets humped by Fab4 is just classic
i personally dont think Gallas had a super bad game. we were playing so far up the pitch in the 2nd half as a whole team, we were always going to get sprung on the counter.
Those who think we were critisising should have taken a look at Wengers actions he was not happy either,Remember Kiev have not won in the CL for four years
Seb and a biscuit if he wants one
Paul. It does not matter what they have done in the past four years, this is now!!!
yeah attacking subs made between 80-90 mins make it difficult for the player to actually do anything. they at least need from 70 mins or 60 if possible
Seb,
I’m sorry mate. But you haven’t addressed the point about double standards. The abuse on here towards people who attack people who defend the team is accepted. However, the people who criticise the people on here for being negative is not accepted. I only had to spend a small amount on this site to confirm this, and the longer I view the posts, the more confirmation I get.
You have bought into this culture, but you are probably a very civilized, and nice guy. It’s very sad.
I love Arsenal too but if I found Cesc humping my missus I would fucking well kill both of them.
wenger keeps on going on about his youth policy.. he could have given nik a start and a few more minutes to vela surely!!
Thats me done guys i am off to watch my new DVD ‘Spurs the glory years’only available in black and white
Jules1 who are you talking about?
Houndog it was a joke……………i think
Evo:
What the hell are you talking about Vela and Bentdner and giving them time? Are you forgetting the imact Bentnder had last season coming off the bench in the dying moments? It’s called a tactical change, to take off a defensive midfielder and bring in an attacking player. Usually happens when u’re losing a match.
By the way Wenger was complaining about the stoppage time. He said it was not enough. Also the football pundits have all agreed, it was a pen!!
Okay we have a point in Kiev, not the end of the world. More important issues now are that we put in a winning performance at Bolton.
They’ve seen the replay, if it’s stone cold, fair dos, that’s why I wanted to see it again.
1-1, we were not beaten, round 2 in London.
Jules, I’m sorry, I don’t agree with you, And please don’t patronise me in the way that your last sentence did. I haven’t bought into anything, I know what I read here and I enjoy being part of the debate. I don’t enjoy arguments, I enjoy discussion.
If you don’t like the site then don’t read it, as it is a lot of people do like it and are quite happy with the way it works. The ones that aren’t happy, leave.
Now this is interesting, as I just said, the pundits on Sky all agreed it was a pen. I was just watching the after match comments on German TV and the German pundits said it was not a pen!!! What a crazy world we fans live in. It is all about opinions….nothing else.
Of course it was a penalty … we’d have gone mad if it hadn’t been given against one of our forwards. I think Ade should shut his gob stop bigging himself up in the papers and realise that he’s a very very average player with the luck of the gods to be playing for a team like Arsenal. And when we need strength and skill and the best we can do is bring on Niki B then we know we will not win anything again this season unless we buy 2 or 3 players in January transfer window …. of course hoping by then that we are still in position to win things.
Mark…too much doom and gloom
Just an observation. I don’t understand something that the Ref kept on doing tonight. Whenever a Kiev player went down injured for no apparent reason for long periods of time, the ref would stop the game even when Arsenal had the ball, sometimes ages after the incident. Am I imagining things or did this happen a few times? Seems like blatent cheat on Kiev’s behalf and the Referee was falling for it.
I think Wenger was more upset about this than the Pen incident.
Mark, by the way the Spuds bought more than 2 or 3 players and look at them!!!
ateeb – are you smoking hash?
yes i remember bendtner scoring the thunderous header against the spuds for his first touch of the ball to secure us the 2-1 win and then again in the 1-1 draw with villa on 90 mins to get us the equaliser. great stuff, yep remember it all.
i was merely saying i prefer an attacking sub to come on after 65-70 mins to give them time to score the winner/s needed to get the 3 points.
yes its way more exciting to steal a game with a person subbed on at 85 mins and they score the winner on 92 mins, but how many times does that happen?
I did not get why Wnger did npt sub Van Bullshit and The Walcock. Even though Gallas was as bad. I thought that MoM was by far SONG and as soon as he went off we wer in difficlut situation.
Houndog …. sorry for the doom and gloom but see it more as reality. But reality also says that a draw away in Moscow is not a bnad result as long as we bang in some goals in the return leg. I won’t make any copmparison to Spurs … but one thing they have got going for them is the only way is up.
Mark:
aww you poor boy. Who would you wanna see come on for us off the bench? Kaka, Messi or Ronaldo? Maybe that won’t satisfy your appetite either. How about Pele or Maradona?
Who do chelsea have to bring on? Assuming drogba and anelka are already playing, well they have solomon kalou.
Who do Manu have to bring on, in the midfield if theyre not playing well? fletcher or Anderson?
Please don’t say “all Gallas had to do was tap it in…”
Rio failed to do that for the Mancs today!hehe
Hounddogg,
The pundits ur referring to are Glenn Hoddle, Ruud Gullit and Graeme Souness. Three great players in their day but three of the worst pundits ever!
Evo:
Unless you were on hash urself, you might have spotted that Niki B was brought on at 70mins. Just the way your majesty like your substitutions. Vela came on in at 83. Usually you don’t make all your substititions at the same time, because that stops the rhythem of the game.
Ateeb …sorry I don’t get your point. I want good footballers to play for Arsenal not average players. Fine if you are content with that then remain content with trophyless seasons. All the players you mention are by far better than the Nicki B’s of this world … why shouldn’t Arsenal have such class in depth instead of crap like Nikki B.
Mark:
What other average player scores 30 goals? Come on dude, stop the ade bashing. Seriously, it’s not even funny anymore. 3 days ago you’re praising, and then if we draw, you make ade the escapegoat.
According to your logic, ROnaldo, Tevez, and Rooney are average players too, because they all also drew their match.
Yes Jules. A lot of people enjoy debate, but they are censored by the gods on your site.
no shit shirlock – if your having a crack at my opinion just say it directly. if your having a crack at my level of footballing knowledge/nous – say that also!
Everyones moody after a draw, some dude wouldn’t mind Fabregas shagging his missus…….I don’t understand that for a second, unless your wife is really ugly and you want the kudos that Fabregas wanted her it doesn’t make sense, any woman who cheats on me is finished, she’s the one that let the dude in.
Anyway, we’ll beat Bolton.
Goodnight.
catch ya finest
Evo. I won’t be able to have crack at your opinion. It won’t get past your censors. That’s the point I am making. Before you know it, my posts will be blocked, and I won’t be able to debate anything. The people that run this site have decided that you can’t answer for yourself. That is my objection. I actually think you are more intelligent than that, and that you can either persuade me to come around to your thinking, or I can persuade you to come around to mine.
Mark:
Class? What other team has class sitting on their benches? Unless they’re being supported by a billionaire. Seriously dude you need to wake up. It’s not like I don’t like to win, but time to get realistic about some things right? How much have you seen Niki B to actually criticize him as yet?
We have Eduardo, who by the way is CLASS, and will be returning soon. Vela, whose young but looks promising. What else do you want? Name me 3 teams which have a CLASS of 5 strikers to choose from(excluding MANU, who has a trade-off with their midfield). Liverpool? One good striker. Chelsea 2 strikers.
STop playing championship manager online. That makes you always want more.
Ateeb … the difference with Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez is that they all have skill and can play good football. Because they lose doesn’t take that away from them. Ade on the other hand is very average in the skill and good football department and whether we win, draw or lose he’s just an average footballer. Arsenal deserve. and need better, to win us trophies.
Ateeb, you can’t accuse people of playing championship manager and you need to stop saying Dude.
Sorry for the guys in moderation, I only just got on.
Evo,
Not having a crack at your opinion. I mean you shouldn’t really have an opinion about when bentdner was brought on? I mean you were complaining that he should have been brough on arnd the 70mins zone, and i just told you that he was brought on at 70mins, just the way you wanted. There is nothing to have an opinion on that issue, you just got your facts mixed up. But you can have an opinion, if you suddenly go berserk and say ” NOOOO!!! I want my substitutions at 55 mins exactly”. Then we can have a discussion, and not an argument. Just the way you like it. And while you’re at going away, how about taking Mark along, he might need a hug, untill january transfer windows approaches again.
where’s the free-flow passing game we used to play? i have to say don’t be blind supporters. this Arsenal is simply not good enough that a better team would have battered them.. especially with AdeBADyor as our main striker. even when he is on fire, a relative better striker with as many chances as he has would score two hat-tricks when he could get a hat-trick. that’s all.
Oh the GODS HAVE RETURNED!!!! RUN JULES1!!!!
Have fun deleting our posts Geoff:P
Atteb, you don’t need to be a twat, just don’t slag people off, you’re welcome, but the sarcasm isn’t.
jules – which sensors are you referring to? i live in Sydney, Australia. I think pedro and geoff both live in London from memory, i have nothing to do with their site, except for giving my opinion on here. i dont think they have shares in le-grove, i certainly dont have any if they do, although if they did it probably would be a good investment as people are keen to come here and have a say!
MArk:
And while you’re complely ignoring my c omments, on the lack of squad depth in every other team, lemme take on your next rational argument. Ronney ronaldo and tevez have skill and good players. Ade on the other hand doesn’t because he s cored 30 goals last season. Hmmm….interesting. Are you forgetting that we have other players as well? How about cesc when compared to scholes, or Nasri to nani? Or lately eboue to park? Or theo to whoever you wanna compare? We dont have class?
ateeb – what a fucked up comment mate….you seriously want me to give mark a call and tell him that he and i are out of here cause you told us so?
Calm down Evo, I’m on the case now.
So Geoff. What did you make of the overall performance?
Evo you didn’t need to take that part of the comment seriously. It was a joke. Remember laughter?
Geoff, wow, you’re being awfully nice tonight and welcoming.
And what exactly do you have against sarcasm?
Just for the record ateeb, I don’t have fun deleting posts, I find it tediouus.
TJ I though we were by far the better team, but I was dissappointed that Song was there and again couldn’t work out what Wenger sees in him.
if i were playing championship manager against ateeb i would have taken off one of the midfielders at half time and brought on vela (or eboue) for more width and attack to give the link up with RVP to get back up the pitch and into the box.
Just that Ateeb, we have this site for like minded people, not to slag them off and sarcasm if all part of that, I suggest you either calm down and grow up or go somewhere else.
well ateeb there are no feelings in text on a screen or in a text message. you need to emphasize it with more descriptive words. glad you clarified it for me eventually that you were actually making a joke/laughter instead of having an telling me my opinion
Sorry ateeb you need to go now, all you are after is confrontation. Thanks for spending some time with us tonight, come back when you want to join in with the fun.
I think the balance was missing because Song was there. He didnt necessarily have a bad game but because he was there RVP had to be shifted out wide where he is ineffective and it was too crowded in the middle. I think AW should have been a little more positive with the team selection. I think Ade needs support at all times up top. He cant do it all on his own. Still, he should have buried that early chance. Overall, i’m happy we got a point despite a very average performance.
Good summinng up TJ, that probably covers my tomorrow’s post!
jules 1, ateeb
what the fuck are you boys on?
Don’t worry andy ateeb is no longer with us.
If i was affiliated with Bolton Wanderers, i would be very afraid. We’re gonna take out our frustration on their asses!
i dont normally post that much but christ they have been spoiling for a fight, wrong blog for that i feel
Seemed like kids on the wind-up to me Andy
I hope so TJ and Andy I think some people just come on to argue, they must have very little going on in their lives.
O.k. No problem. Well i usually come to this site but refrain of commenting, which is quite obvious why. But please when writing the article tommorow, think it through, and don’t come up with WHY THE HELL DIN WENGER SPEND? OR SONG WAS CRAP, be rational. Song’s first proper game for ages, and he was there as a defensive unit, rather then a creative one. And he was quite solid. We dont need to buy in january. What we though need are lesser people in the rosick list:) And away from home draw is acceptable, wenger maybe went for a draw.
Ateeb … no I didn’t go off with Evo for a hug, I’m just expressing my opinion (without being sarcastic to anyone) I also didn’t say we haven’t got class in the team I was talking about two particular players. I think we have an abundance of class and on our day unbeatable. On the subject of Nikki B and Ade we disagree but I think Orangegooners point above is much more valid than all your sarcastic ones.
Any one with a name like Jules should run.
You see ateeb I only block people that are causing problems, balanced views are Ok, even if we disagree with them.
If you want to tell me how to write this blog, why don’t you write your own? Lots of people try, few get read, and fewer get the comments that Le Grove do, you may want to give that some thought.
Evening London!
Sorry I replied to Ateeb and didn’t realise you had moved him out Geoff ….thanks for that. I know we all have our opinions about football and players but as you say we need to be civil about it.
Sad really….there’s almost always a great ‘team spirit’ on here with all the regulars (Bud, Rico, Choy, DDM, Evo, etc). Everyone identifies with one another and RESPECTS their opinions on whatever the subject is, even if they dont agree, thats what grown-ups do.
Fuck me, i’m shocked. ‘One day’ the Spud King just conducted his first ever interview in English. Thats a start Spuds!
That’s Ok Mark, quite right too!
What did he say TJ…sorry?
Ok Grovers, I tidied up and I’m off for a while, catch you all later.
He said he is surprised by their poor start and thinks they can still finish in the top four. Hahahahaha.
That’s like saying …oops! what a cunt!
Geoff,
Your 11.29 post.
I’m sorry, but your last statement is not true. You can’t back that up. How do you know what blogs are read or not read ?
As for the amount of comments, that is meaningless. It’s not an indicator of popularity or the quality of the opinion, just the amount of comments.
I am actually not looking for an argument, but the problem is that there seems to be a body of opinion on this site that is heavily contentious. Especially the view that instead of debating this opinion, you will delete the posts.
Lol.
Night Grovers.
Ok Jules, thanks for your opinion, much appreciated, when I spend the next 12 months writing posts, I’ll make sure I try not to get a lot of meaningless comments.
If you want to spend your time disagreeing with people, try the other sites, they quite like all that.
mark – i can still give you a hug if you want mate?
Hugs all around.
Night all, I’m olff
catch ya geoff
pretty happy with Wengers comments after the game. the game was there to be won and the ref blew early. kiev definitely did a good job of winding down the clock with their subs and pretending to be injured. gives me the shits, but i suppose that always happens, its just sour grapes i guess cause the ref didnt add the same time back on and i felt as Wenger did, we were back on top in terms of having the ball!
I’m off to bed now. I thought we could have and should have won that. We need to take our chances and Ade needs to learn about the offside rule. Soft penalty as well.
catch ya goonermichael
2 Jews walk into the Spuds ticket Office and ask for season tickets. The woman behind the counter asks, “are you cicumcised?” The Jews reply “yes of course” the woman then says, ” I’m sorry you have to be a complete prick to be a Tottenham fan!”
gold el tel
i thnk it was a fair result in the end….. scoring 4 goals in every match means the boys will take everything for granted… i think this was the best result we could have hoped for… now it again winds our boys a bit for the bolton game….. perfect!!!!
And I dont think it was a penalty… but we need djourou in there.
Well blow me down ,
i fell asleep last night waiting for the game , so i thought avoid the TV , grab the torrent and ill see it tonight ! but my son turned the tv on just as they showed the god amm score ! So my next question was how did ade go ??
then i logged onto here … hmmmmm
A BIG FAT I TOLD YOU SO !!! of my own !
Seb Says:
September 17, 2008 at 8:27 pm
I have to ask myself, is it worth having Ade in the team when he fucks up so many times a game? It’s not even funny.
Rasputin Says:
September 17, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Ade would be dangerous if he could shoot – the most frustrating player ever to wear an Arsenal shirt
HelsinkiGooner Says:
September 17, 2008 at 8:36 pm
should be 1 or 2-0 up by now, and i’ve only watched since the 20min mark – just in time for Ade’s shocking miss.
I got the idea !!! HE WAS ON PAR
!
Also seb , wheres the clinical movement midfield ? what happened to cesc ??
this is a typical example of what im on about ,& what can happen to our team !
(and i haven’t even watched it yet ! ) and 5 man midfield too ! we should have dominated the ground !
no hleb – no flamini !
it makes a difference !
Seb Says:
September 17, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Nightman noone is moving in front of him, who can he pass to? We are too much behind the ball.
Seb ,Its easy to look good when your against a very inferior team like blackburn …
but any club who comes against us with a game plan can split us wide open !
and saw gallas’es goal .. more ass than class !
the way i see it is we just fluffed it with a near full strength team , and almost got whipped by the weakest team in the group ! NO CLINICAL FINISHER in the team we are done this season ! ..ade played 90 minutes and cant produce !!!
FUCKING HOPELESS TWAT !
yes why buy any quality players this transfer window when we can produce our own ..
what a fucking joke !
Good point there, Cesc hasn’t found his form yet and what happened to the corner routine him and Robin had?
Good Morning Geoff.
I refrrained from posting last night as it all got a little too heated and personal for my liking,though i am sure a lot of that was through frustration.
I haven’t seen one comment that shows the Kiev coach did his homework very well on us,and i would say overall it was a flat performance by us and yet again our finishing especially in the first half wasn’t clinical.We have a poor away record in europe 2 wins from 9,but on the other hand kiev have never got a point in the group stages before.Can’t change what happened and a point is most probably not a bad result.To me our engine room cesc doesn’t look fully fit,and as much as gallas gets slated,not for the first time he found himself in the right place at the right time.
The team will arrive back in the early hours of this morning and barely gives us 48 hours until Bolton.I think our lack of options due to numbers available won’t help us,and I hope that the lads recover in time.
Because of my first paragraph maybe this should go on today’s post or alternatively you could mention that in house fighting doesn’t achieve anything.
Geoff I won’t be upset if that disappears, it puts us a man down compared to the opposition plus it looks silly.
ethan Kiev were no great shakes as a team, we shot ourselves in the foot with our game plan, Wenger said he would be happy with a point and we played for a point basically. Without Nasri or Eboue we didn’t have nearly as much forward movement as we would usually, and without people to carry the ball forward you end up coming under attack, which we did, we only had 47% possession. Even so they only had 2 shots on goal to our 5. And the problem was not that Cesc was being manmarked, as you predicted, it was that noone (well Theo tried) was making runs around the back or between defenders for him to find them. If we had just played our normal 4-4-2 we would have been fine imo. Too cautious.
Also wenger’s post match interview was a bit week,going on about not enough extra time being played.he had more than enough time to change things after the penalty,and lay off sagna please,it was a 50/50 penalty and he is consistently one of our best players.
Seb ,
cesc being man marked is just one of the many reasons for midfield failure ,
my argument was without bert , hleb and flamini to step up when cesc is flat , we are hardly are the same powerhouse going forward to feed ade as last season .. The lack of class midfielders this season was the overall statement i made . in which you said we have plenty of other options .. and they wont be missed … and to make out eboue as our new savior is just a joke and a cop out ! Nasri has looked good in 2 games but other than that is largely untested , to say we missed him ..well frankly im gobsmacked … He is untested against a quality team and to say he could make the difference at 21 years of age is not an accurate assumption !
Hleb used to create that space you were talking about ,& flamini had the courage ..
its all missing now if you ask me ! and it shows .. And im not even basing it on last nights game because im still 20% away from downloading it ..
Morning everyone!
So I missed the game… what a shitter, did I miss much? They didn’t shower us with praise on the radio?
The heated nature of the blog last night was by two people arguing with everyone, I dealt with it so it will be fine from here on in, you give people a chance but sometimes all they want to do is cause trouble, ho hum.
Morning All
What a funny old game, but I was so glad that Smudger and Keys were commentating..
A game we should have had wrapped up by half time, a game where Theo got bashed, Song congested the midfield, Ade went back to his true form and we scrapped hard for a draw.
So many chances, so many misses, and so many offsides (Ade)
Song is not quick enough to play in midfield (imho) but I though the game was played at a high tempo from start to finish.
We got a point, and in Ukraine, so all is not doom and gloom, and we didnt concede a goal in open play – so the defence did a sturdy job.
But like I say, if our lot took one of their chances each, we would have been 4 – 1 winners!!
NEW POST!
Where?
Oh, I see it!
give the man a break, why look on the negative only. eboue has really improved his game unless i am the only one who is noticing.
nice post.
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