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	<title>Comments on: 17 more years of hurt, what are you on Arsene? Hunter-on!</title>
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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/07/06/17-more-years-of-hurt-what-are-you-on-arsene-liars/#comment-45697</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ikon</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/07/06/17-more-years-of-hurt-what-are-you-on-arsene-liars/#comment-45694</link>
		<dc:creator>ikon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly fergie has his minds on winning everything in sights... but he has a short sight doesn&#039;t he. It takes just one or two seasons of no trophys to turn into a leeds. 

Wenger&#039;s philosophy of doing the right things and refrain from winning at all costs mentality if commendable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly fergie has his minds on winning everything in sights&#8230; but he has a short sight doesn&#8217;t he. It takes just one or two seasons of no trophys to turn into a leeds. </p>
<p>Wenger&#8217;s philosophy of doing the right things and refrain from winning at all costs mentality if commendable.</p>
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		<title>By: ikon</title>
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		<dc:creator>ikon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok 17 more years means not buying stars for 17 more years... but this has been his philosophy all along.

The selling of stars is a bit scary... but its completely logical... while you have a debt of a new stadium you can&#039;t go overboard. Mayb with kroenke coming to the board we might get a bit more to spend. But the way we played last season without any big stars at the start of the season... I am hopefull about this one.

I think the forward line of vela and dudu will be something worth to look forward to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok 17 more years means not buying stars for 17 more years&#8230; but this has been his philosophy all along.</p>
<p>The selling of stars is a bit scary&#8230; but its completely logical&#8230; while you have a debt of a new stadium you can&#8217;t go overboard. Mayb with kroenke coming to the board we might get a bit more to spend. But the way we played last season without any big stars at the start of the season&#8230; I am hopefull about this one.</p>
<p>I think the forward line of vela and dudu will be something worth to look forward to.</p>
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		<title>By: LEON</title>
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		<dc:creator>LEON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well peter hill and come out and stated that ade is not for sale this is from the chaiman i hope this puts the crap the arsenal are selling team. i dont know why tabloys have such big problem arsenal ,why do they come up with these stories. arsenal are  looking to keep all of our players but hleb looks likely to leave but i feel if nasri deal goes through we will be fine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well peter hill and come out and stated that ade is not for sale this is from the chaiman i hope this puts the crap the arsenal are selling team. i dont know why tabloys have such big problem arsenal ,why do they come up with these stories. arsenal are  looking to keep all of our players but hleb looks likely to leave but i feel if nasri deal goes through we will be fine</p>
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		<title>By: Maryland Gunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maryland Gunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one more thing . . . I too can&#039;t wait for another 20 years.  But neither can Arsene . . . lets face it, he is not going to be at Arsenal in another 20 . . . if Arsenal were to move forward at that rate, they would be in peril long before that magical 17th year.  It&#039;s called having a money manager . . . if Arsene is the money manager, organizational manager, coach, recruiter, and any other hat that we might try to throw at him . . . well, he is either highly under paid, or we are dealing with a ship of fools.  

The President of the organization&#039;s job is to manage these very important functions of the club.  If Arsene did make those comments, it would be the equivilent of me saying that my company is going to have to &quot;eek along&quot; and barely make it for the next 17+ years.  Let me paint a lovely picture of what would happen to me, if I ran my mouth like that . . . 

1.  Maryland Gunner gets a call from the CEO - &quot;Maryland Gunner . . . I need to speak with you in my office.&quot;

2.  Maryland Gunner quickly walks to CEO&#039;s office - &quot;Maryland Gunner . . . have you thought about taking a long vacation?&quot;  &quot;No Mr. CEO, I have not.&quot;  &quot;Well, we would like for you to take one . . . &quot;

3.  Maryland Gunner calls his wife - &quot;Honey, I am coming home early today.&quot;  &quot;Why are you coming home early today dear?&quot;  &quot;Well, I ran my big fat mouth, about stuff that I know nothing about, and . . . well . . . they are letting me take that long vacation that I have wanted to for some time now . . . without pay.&quot;

4.  Maryland Gunner calls brother - &quot;Bro, I am moving in . . . the Mrs. kicked me out, and said that I am sitting on my brains for talking about stuff that I know nothing about.&quot;

So, I hope that gives you all a sense of how stupid this article is/was, and if it be true . . . well, lets just pray that is not the case.  

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one more thing . . . I too can&#8217;t wait for another 20 years.  But neither can Arsene . . . lets face it, he is not going to be at Arsenal in another 20 . . . if Arsenal were to move forward at that rate, they would be in peril long before that magical 17th year.  It&#8217;s called having a money manager . . . if Arsene is the money manager, organizational manager, coach, recruiter, and any other hat that we might try to throw at him . . . well, he is either highly under paid, or we are dealing with a ship of fools.  </p>
<p>The President of the organization&#8217;s job is to manage these very important functions of the club.  If Arsene did make those comments, it would be the equivilent of me saying that my company is going to have to &#8220;eek along&#8221; and barely make it for the next 17+ years.  Let me paint a lovely picture of what would happen to me, if I ran my mouth like that . . . </p>
<p>1.  Maryland Gunner gets a call from the CEO &#8211; &#8220;Maryland Gunner . . . I need to speak with you in my office.&#8221;</p>
<p>2.  Maryland Gunner quickly walks to CEO&#8217;s office &#8211; &#8220;Maryland Gunner . . . have you thought about taking a long vacation?&#8221;  &#8220;No Mr. CEO, I have not.&#8221;  &#8220;Well, we would like for you to take one . . . &#8221;</p>
<p>3.  Maryland Gunner calls his wife &#8211; &#8220;Honey, I am coming home early today.&#8221;  &#8220;Why are you coming home early today dear?&#8221;  &#8220;Well, I ran my big fat mouth, about stuff that I know nothing about, and . . . well . . . they are letting me take that long vacation that I have wanted to for some time now . . . without pay.&#8221;</p>
<p>4.  Maryland Gunner calls brother &#8211; &#8220;Bro, I am moving in . . . the Mrs. kicked me out, and said that I am sitting on my brains for talking about stuff that I know nothing about.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, I hope that gives you all a sense of how stupid this article is/was, and if it be true . . . well, lets just pray that is not the case.  </p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Maryland Gunner</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/07/06/17-more-years-of-hurt-what-are-you-on-arsene-liars/#comment-45690</link>
		<dc:creator>Maryland Gunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I read a number of the posts today, and I can say that everyone is justified in their frustration and general disappointment with some of the comments bouncing around.  I think that Arsene is doing what he can with the cards that he has been dealt.  Gnarleygeorge9 is right . . . reading what a ManUre fan says about how they manage this, and manage that, and look at all of the success . . . the reality is simple . . . we must adapt and grow, or we will simply be another mid table team (Think Newcastle).

I am tired of the players that have all the control.  A contract is a contract.  I work in a world where a contract is a legal and binding document.  Unless my company really screws the pooch, the company is tied into a 3-5 year partnership.  Game, set, and match.  Why do these rules simply not apply anymore?  

When Lewin left, it opened up a spot for a new physio.  I say, get a physio and a psychiatrist . . . these guys need shrinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I read a number of the posts today, and I can say that everyone is justified in their frustration and general disappointment with some of the comments bouncing around.  I think that Arsene is doing what he can with the cards that he has been dealt.  Gnarleygeorge9 is right . . . reading what a ManUre fan says about how they manage this, and manage that, and look at all of the success . . . the reality is simple . . . we must adapt and grow, or we will simply be another mid table team (Think Newcastle).</p>
<p>I am tired of the players that have all the control.  A contract is a contract.  I work in a world where a contract is a legal and binding document.  Unless my company really screws the pooch, the company is tied into a 3-5 year partnership.  Game, set, and match.  Why do these rules simply not apply anymore?  </p>
<p>When Lewin left, it opened up a spot for a new physio.  I say, get a physio and a psychiatrist . . . these guys need shrinks.</p>
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		<description>[...]  17 more years of hurt, what are you on Arsene? Hunter-on!   So Wenger has now come out and said we would have to sell our best players every year for seventeen years to cope [...] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gnarleygeorge9</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to previous post, over  £850,000,000. And old red nose will just walk out soon, the debt isn&#039;t his problem :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to previous post, over  £850,000,000. And old red nose will just walk out soon, the debt isn&#8217;t his problem <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: gnarleygeorge9</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnarleygeorge9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a comment on ESPN Soccernet by Mancunian88

I&#039;m so sick of hearing about Arsene&#039;s ability to turn nobodies into star players. Maybe United spend a bit more initially, but look at our homegrown talent like Scholes and Giggs and Becks...look at what we paid for some other players like Cantona (1 mil) and Ole Gunnar (1.5 mil) and the huge returns we got. We could&#039;ve sold them for huge profits, but United believes in winning trophies to pay their players&#039; salaries. If Arsene won a trophy now and then, he could pay the players what they deserve, but his board won&#039;t let him. Everyone says they do well with their money, and I won&#039;t argue there, but if you gave Ferguson the budget Arsenal has, he could probably do it - just look at Aberdeen winning the CL in 86, reckon they had United&#039;s budget? But at United, the standard is winning: it&#039;s the standard Ferguson set for himself, and so long as he keeps winning, keeps his squad together, United will keep making money. We spent maybe 50 mil last summer on 4 world-class players, 3 of whom could ALREADY sell for more than we paid, then we won the double (ticket sales aside) that probably pays for all of them. This summer, we&#039;ll spend far less and get the same success. Even Ferguson admits Chelsea&#039;s oil money has changed the game, but he&#039;s adapted and kept building successful sides. 

GG9 says; over 800,000 quid in debt, struggling to keep Oily Ronaldo, foreign owned &amp; Cantona 1 million quid (does that include inflation &amp; inflated transfer fees since?) 

What a delude fool. Your time is coming sunshine as you watch old red nose walking out the door. 

I want to trash their egos even more now. So bring it on You dirty northern bastards :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a comment on ESPN Soccernet by Mancunian88</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so sick of hearing about Arsene&#8217;s ability to turn nobodies into star players. Maybe United spend a bit more initially, but look at our homegrown talent like Scholes and Giggs and Becks&#8230;look at what we paid for some other players like Cantona (1 mil) and Ole Gunnar (1.5 mil) and the huge returns we got. We could&#8217;ve sold them for huge profits, but United believes in winning trophies to pay their players&#8217; salaries. If Arsene won a trophy now and then, he could pay the players what they deserve, but his board won&#8217;t let him. Everyone says they do well with their money, and I won&#8217;t argue there, but if you gave Ferguson the budget Arsenal has, he could probably do it &#8211; just look at Aberdeen winning the CL in 86, reckon they had United&#8217;s budget? But at United, the standard is winning: it&#8217;s the standard Ferguson set for himself, and so long as he keeps winning, keeps his squad together, United will keep making money. We spent maybe 50 mil last summer on 4 world-class players, 3 of whom could ALREADY sell for more than we paid, then we won the double (ticket sales aside) that probably pays for all of them. This summer, we&#8217;ll spend far less and get the same success. Even Ferguson admits Chelsea&#8217;s oil money has changed the game, but he&#8217;s adapted and kept building successful sides. </p>
<p>GG9 says; over 800,000 quid in debt, struggling to keep Oily Ronaldo, foreign owned &amp; Cantona 1 million quid (does that include inflation &amp; inflated transfer fees since?) </p>
<p>What a delude fool. Your time is coming sunshine as you watch old red nose walking out the door. </p>
<p>I want to trash their egos even more now. So bring it on You dirty northern bastards <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: El Tel</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger Federer will go on my sporting gods hall of fame. Tiger Woods,Valentino Rossi and roger federer modern day sporting gods. 

Nadal did brilliantly in beating Roger and I enjoyed watching a sport where both of them wanted it so much, there was no bitching just pure sport. Well done gentlemen you are both a credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger Federer will go on my sporting gods hall of fame. Tiger Woods,Valentino Rossi and roger federer modern day sporting gods. </p>
<p>Nadal did brilliantly in beating Roger and I enjoyed watching a sport where both of them wanted it so much, there was no bitching just pure sport. Well done gentlemen you are both a credit.</p>
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