So pay up or bugger off is the message from born again Arsene Wenger, he’s finally shown his hand which says ’show us your money’. Good for him, if we get it we could go after anyone we want, imagine!
We are hot on the heels of Silva the Spanish winger, Nasri’s gone cold and that would leave a hole for a proven goalscorer, but what if he doesn’t? That’s my fear, he sold Henry (He left a year today) and Freddie last season and neither were replaced, with Vela coming in and Eduardo coming back, what if he feels we have enough, don’t forget Eduardo wasn’t signed as an Henry replacement, groundhog day anyone?
Good news was to hear Cesc saying he’s going nowhere and the same from Gael Clichy, how refreshing to hear that some of our players want to stay, so on that note Adebayor and Hleb can just go, get what we can and replace them with quality, effective goalscorers, so maybe Arshavin, Silva, Diego, Diogo but please reconsider the centerback situation boss, we really need a quality stopper as Gallas has had it and Senderos isn’t good enough, surely you can see what us and the rest of the footballing world can.
Finally I would really turn the screw with Barca and Milan and say if you want our players we want yours, try it for christs sake, do unto others, they have players we covet, they don’t have the money so take hardball to the next level.
Another good day on the comments section Grovers, at least we all know what to do even if ‘you know who doesn’t’ …or does he?
June 25, 2008 at 8:35 am
1st
June 25, 2008 at 8:36 am
Morning All,
How bout this from Cesc yet again.
Speaking to Radio Catalunya Cesc came to the ‘defence’ of Arsenal in light of what has been fairly non-stop campaign to unsettle Arsenal players in the Catalan press and media. He said:
A club like Barcelona must respect a little more the intimacy of a club that never makes ‘noise’ and that tries to do things well like Arsenal. In the last few weeks it’s come out that Barcelona want at least 7 players from Arsenal and this is not necessary. These things cast doubts on our players and upsets them. Arsenal do things in a different way. Always in secret. This is much more normal.
June 25, 2008 at 8:37 am
What a star. Going against the club he was born into. He is our next captain.
June 25, 2008 at 8:38 am
2nd!
Morning everyone!
Did you hear Wenger make his ‘Prediciton’… is he gambling with insider knowledge? It would be nice to think he is!
So… €40million for Adebayor… are you flipping kidding me? Off the back of one season! That is amazing,..!
Not sure about this Guiza chap… but he did score 27 goals for a shite team! Maybe he’ll shine in the next two games!
Apologies for the non-standard font… Mac and WordPress don’t mix!
June 25, 2008 at 8:39 am
Even I’m convinced Nasri is a done deal now. They had images of him on Arsenal.com (albeit not in an arsenal kit) which have been removed & then his website which clearly wasn”t hacked must have got that information from somewhere.
If it doesn’t happen by the 1st or 2nd of July then I think its dead, but what with Papa Diouf saying yesterday on Marseille’s TV station that provisional agreements are now in place I think it’ll go through shortly.
June 25, 2008 at 8:40 am
Pedro, Watching Guiza play for Spain, he seems a little slow for me.
June 25, 2008 at 8:40 am
Ferrari Daytona on it’s way GMR! I hope we show some nuts today and if Ade did say he wants out then sell the cunt.
June 25, 2008 at 8:41 am
Any thoughts on the wicked games wenger is playing in seducing Arshavin?
I have a sneaky feeling mates…
Dunno whether his quotes about his dream to join the premier league is credible though. The same papers carried the stuff on his la liga dreams yesterday
June 25, 2008 at 8:49 am
He is a lanky chap… kind of like a white Ade… without the pace and dancing skills.
If we get €40mill for Ade… it needs to go on Villa or Benzema or a big name.
We can’t become a selling club…
Eto’o has come out fighting today… dictating that he will decide his future! I’d love to see him in an Arsenal shirt!
Well said Cescy boy!
June 25, 2008 at 8:53 am
have you ever stopped to think that we really dont need to replace Henry, or have you wondered maybe, just maybe we have shifted from the playing style that suited the likes of Henry?
i doubt if you can ever replace any player.
you only get someone better or who brings something different to the team and in effect changes the the style or responsibilities of each player
June 25, 2008 at 8:54 am
Morning all,
try this to cheer up your morning !!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1MCmUKZJYTY
Not as funny as the Spurs one, but good nonetheless
June 25, 2008 at 8:55 am
I agree Pedro, someone of that ilk, not Santa Cruz, Martens or Guiza
June 25, 2008 at 8:58 am
Arshavin’s buyout clause of 10 mill is a bit like buying a twenty pound note for a tenner, and I can’t imagine he would sell at such a price.
C.Ronaldo looks set for Madrid, meaning they’ll be loaded and in need of someone like Arshavin. Chelsea will get involved too, but the final decision will remain Arshavin’s.
27 goals from Guiza for a bottom end of the table team is very good considering the service he’s likely to have had.
June 25, 2008 at 9:02 am
That was the fucking funniest thing i have seen in quite some time. We still have Wes Brown. Classic.
June 25, 2008 at 9:06 am
watching guiza play in the games for mallorca this season, it seems evident that he isn’t gunner material one bit.
A skewed analogy it maybe, but dint we have the Kev Phillipses ruling the roost once upon a time? Being top scorer isn’t a benchmark imo
This man won’t make it at arsenal, he is neither the technical or flair player nor is he an outright lone striker like some of the Africans.. I’d rather see Bendtner being given a run..
June 25, 2008 at 9:10 am
arshavin is all we need seriously… and a CB too.
June 25, 2008 at 9:11 am
i don’t get it pedro/geoff…. each f my coment is being subject to moderation…. wats going on?
June 25, 2008 at 9:15 am
if he is the top scorer in la liga… with no penalties to his tally.. i’m sure he must be doing something right.. has anyone seen him play?
morning all!!
June 25, 2008 at 9:16 am
G’day all, Whipped the top off a coldy & watched that hitler you tube
June 25, 2008 at 9:17 am
Still no signings though:(
June 25, 2008 at 9:19 am
Stoned, i agree mate, ive never seen he keep banging on about somone like he has been!….
WENGERS LATEST ON ARSHAVIN…
“What is quite amazing is that Russia is the only country where a player like Arshavin suddenly comes to the world’s attention at the age of 27. That is not possible anywhere else.
“I wish I’d seem him at 21 or 22. I predict he will come to the Premier League, or go to a big club in Italy. The way he plays is something very special.”
He added: “He could be tempted by wanting to play in the best league, of course. And it could happen. Would you be surprised? If you ask me do I think he will be in the Premier League? I would say yes because that’s a prediction.”
But Wenger admitted he does not know the situation at Zenit, or whether the player wishes to stay with the Russian side.
“Maybe he’ll want to stay because they play in the Champions League.”
June 25, 2008 at 9:20 am
hrmm… 40 million for ade is rediculous, but it makes the point arsene wants to make. “come up with this much money if you really want him, but we want to hold onto him too!” granted, if someone does spend that sort of money on him, and we get a top class replacement, i will be fuckin’ happy! the buyout clause on villa’s contract is only 32 million euro’s i think, so we could easily afford him and have some left over to keep arsene happy, we know how much he likes good deals. both milan and barca seem very interested though so something may develop.
also on the hleb front, we were linked with podolski recently, and i know jurgen klinsmann doesn’t want to see him off, but that said, i wouldn’t mind a straight swap for him, or schweinsteiger, or even phillip lahm if wenger wants to revoke his “no defender” statement.
if either of these scenario’s take place then hot damn! sign me up.
June 25, 2008 at 9:22 am
morning gunners.nice one mates.About the Ade deal i say sell.Its more of a gamble.Ade came as a surprise to many teams last season.This season they will be more prepared to dal with him.Also its not a guarantee he will have the same form next season.What is guaranteed is the 40mil we get we could buy a striker,one midfielder and a defender in the mould of sagna like.Then from the Hleb deal(if it goes through ) we could get a DM in yaya and then as confirmed nasri.Too bad we cant have arshavin.Wenger said he wished he could be 21 or 22.Wenger thinks Arshavin is a little old
June 25, 2008 at 9:25 am
if at all we sell ade and hleb…geoff put it right pink and perky for the supposed sum then we have made the business of the decade according to me……just imagine how much that would add up to the transfer budget and with wenger we could persuade any top talent around the world to join the gunners.
i realy realy hope this is our squad next season;
almunia
sagna kolo toure lescott clichy
nasri yaya toure fabregas silva
van persie villa
for hell we would clinch the quadruple.
just like martin luther king once said;
I HAVE A DREAM
June 25, 2008 at 9:26 am
Lahm is a fantastic player, but bette than the FB we have? I think not, and he sure wouldn’t come to warm the bench.
Guiza, Not for me. Should someone be insane enough to pay 40€ for Ade. We should get someone with CL experience. After all, he could be a one season wonder.
Arshavin ? After signing Nasri for a supposed £15m. No way.
June 25, 2008 at 9:28 am
Wenger has stated we’ll make a couple of “ready-made” signings but it’s worth reminding ourselves about some of the top players Wenger has signed during his tenure.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26472-arsenal-analysis-arsene-wengers-10-best-signings
June 25, 2008 at 9:28 am
we should keep ade… every CB hates playing against him (rio & JT both said he was the hardest to play against) and that means they forget about other players.. eddie, RVP, cesc… if we sell him we need a like for like replacement and there isnt one on the market! its a cliche but he really does give us another dimension with crossing and long balls
June 25, 2008 at 9:29 am
Has anybody been reading this crap about the Spuds getting goalkeeper Gomes (Who holds the record for them most clean sheets in the dutch league, also for going some 600 odd minutes without letting in a goal) and podolski. This has got to be a joke..
June 25, 2008 at 9:35 am
Morning All, great read again - I dont know how you keep it going with the same of ‘pap crap’ being thrown around - good on you geoff & Pedro.
Its funny is it not - Clichy, not long out of nappies, and yet what a man, he says that he heard a few top Italian clubs were interested in him, yet rather than think about the money he could earn, he behaved like a genuine human being who puts his game and his club first - im happy at AFC, why would I want to leave etc etc. He obviously told the board he wanted to stay, and didnt ‘demand’ the world.
Cesc - younger than Clichy, may even still be in nappies, but even before the ‘pap crap’ has begun this transfer window about him being wanted by - Barca, real Madri etc, he has agian behaved like a real man, and made it clear he is staying put. And therefore telling other clubs @Dont even Bother’
This is where I struggle, ADE;
He openly admits his ubring was not full of riches and his family were very poor, as were all those in his homeland. he gets ‘plucked’ from nowhere almost, given a good wage, and a greta club to show off his skills!! One weeks wages for him, would probably buy his whole family a good home and more - in fact it did, but they wont live in it……… So what does he do to thank the club… Well we all know that answer dont we, I believe he is the elder of the three, but speaks to the paps, says -ooooh i cant say anything now, but maybe in 2-3 days….
What a Knob, I know we should all forgive and forget etc etc, but if he goes, I hope he fails, and I know I should not be thinking that. But our great club has given him a chance, his family riches and a home and what does he do….
So Ade, go find a ‘bigger’ club my friend, and may your riches fade, the grass is very seldom greener. BUT YOU can be replaced……
June 25, 2008 at 9:36 am
Stonroy. The Spuds have stated the will def. sign a keeper. Why not Gomes? They have shown they are determined to break into the top rank (which is a joke). HOwever, if they can see that to be top class, you need a top class keeper, WHY the Hell can’t AWsee the same !!!
As to the Spuds, I am reminded of the saying ” You can’t make a silk purse out of a Pig’s ear”.
June 25, 2008 at 9:39 am
AT as much as Ade gives us dimentions 40mil is worth considering.However if we do not sell Ade the most valuble player to add to the squad is david silva .I saw his game on TV against italy and he was awesome.david villa is good but with ADE,RVP,VELA and NICk plus DUDU & THEO i thibnk we are doing just fine.We need someone who makes defenders panic unlike eboue.
June 25, 2008 at 9:40 am
Geoff,
I hope that you will shed some light on something that has left me rather bewildered of late.
Everything I see in forums, debates, news and other areas of discussion and opinion sharing, has a number of rumors about tranfers and players’ general content at the Arsenal.
Each time, I am left with a strange feeling of frustration as I feel that we (Wenger) have/has allowed the team to fall victim of the players and their whims. We have reached the stage where this proud organisation with an amazing history has to hope and pray that unproven players who have won nothing will “decide” that they can be bothered to commit to the cause.
Am I naive in feeling that playing for the Arsenal is about as big an honor in the world of football as they come? Apart from a somewhat conservative wage structure, there are few places I can think of that would allow the players the same chance of achieving everything they can in the world of football and in excellent conditions.
Bottom line, when did things change to the point where we have to sit each summer and hope that even mediocre players will show some commitment to the team? Even the fact that Cesc has shown his loyalty is something I take for granted. Of course he should stay. The team is being nuilt around him and he is handed everything he needs.
Why are we supposed to shit our selves with fear that we may lose him or anyone else (not to take anything away from the awesome talent that Cesc is)? Seriously, I am fed up with this, and frankly could not care less who wants to leave.
Either you commit to the team (as we the fans do, by being there even when we throw everything away in the most torturing manner) or just leave. Period.
Am I completely out of the loop and has the world changed? Geoff, please shed some light on this general concern.
Thank you for being able to conjure an always inspirational and (something very rare these days) sober debate on Le Grove. Kudos.
Best,
Gus
June 25, 2008 at 9:48 am
lets be honest about this… if we get 40m for ade is wenger gonna reinvest it all in the teamn? NO, no way, not a chance, we all know that! as much as we’d like to think that if ade goes villa etc will come in they wont, because its not how arsene works.
its a sad truth and as much as i love the idea of him spending the money he might get, he wont which is why i see ade as even more important.
wenger has got allot more money than we’re all lead to believe, if he wanted these players we talk about he could get them, theres no way after we got 18m from the CL he’s still only got 25m to spend!
June 25, 2008 at 9:49 am
There is the danger that Adebayor’s paper chasing dreams could cause him to end up like Anelka, very rich but always regretful that he didn’t achieve what money can’t buy. It’s only in hindsight that you realise what could have been, and Adebayor looks set to fall into that trap, sooner or later.
I can give you an example from my own family. My uncle is a highly educated very intelligent man, he could earn an absolute fortune if he moved to the appropriate country. He actually planned to do so but has now given up on the idea.
Why?
He’s found a woman he loves and has a good relationship with her after being mentally tortured by previous girlfriends who were status seekers, moneygrabbers and actually set out to try and control him and his life. What’s the point of having stacks of cash in the bank and sacrificing a good thing.
June 25, 2008 at 9:49 am
by the way,is anyone among u guyz a footy scout.I have a very interesting player ad like to alert u about.
June 25, 2008 at 9:53 am
i wish kenyan!! dont forget ade’s idol is kanu… that has to count for somthing!!
June 25, 2008 at 9:57 am
As we’re here to speculate…
Here is my guess
The Nasri deal will be announced on the 1st of July.
Why that guess?
- Nasri will publish an interview on his web site on the 1st
- OM fiscal year end 30/06.
Have a nice day.
June 25, 2008 at 9:59 am
he is a striker n his dream is to play for arsenal.His name ids dennis Oliech.he was at nantes and is at auxerre.He is lethal.He totaly outclassed benjani in the ANC qualifiers.3 goals in 3games and he played as the lone striker in all the three.
June 25, 2008 at 10:00 am
Kenyan. Try writing to Arsenal, and alerting their scouting system. You never know what can happen.
Just because the Euro’s are taking our focus, we shouldn’t ignore AW’s statemnt about signing established EPL talent.
Could we take Barry from under the noses of the Scouse? Or Dunne from Citeh?
Who do you think would do well at the Emirates?
June 25, 2008 at 10:02 am
I Have to say with Cesc coming out and speaking against Barca give the man a hand at last someone who is about the Arsenal and not just for the money you have to give him the armband for that with Kolo as Vice another Proud to wear the red and white.
As for Ade & Hleb i personally offer my services to help them pack and move house.
Ade has one good season and then cant wait to go gratitude for you.
Hleb is good but no patch on Pires of Freddie in there prime.
Would love to see this team run out on day one next season.
Almunia
Sagna
Clichy
Toure
Richards
Walcott
Fabregas
Y Toure
Silva
RVP
Villa
June 25, 2008 at 10:06 am
With how clear Cesc is being with regards his own future you can only guess how close we were to losing him last summer.
We all know he spoke with Real Madrid (he admitted that on radio) & never once was he as blunt as he has been this summer about where he’ll be the following season.
I hope that loyalty is rewarded by Wenger, because I’m damn sure his commitment won’t be so positive next summer if Arsenal fall short again due to a lack of quality players.
June 25, 2008 at 10:15 am
How come the Spuds have so much money to throw around and we don’t?
Oh well back to us. If we can get the price for Ade then sell him. His first touch is usually shit and often stops the flow of the team. If we need a big man, we have Bendter. The money could be spent on Arshavin who would be a perfect fit for our style and would fit perfectly with our players. We need to only bring in talent that does not stop the hope of the younger players making the first team or we lose the power that enables us to sign the types of players like Ramsay. Remember Cesc would never have had the opportunity at any other club at such a young age and look how he turned out. There is so much talent in the academy, many are World class prospects and they are here because of opportunity. Players who have left have struggled because they don’t understand its the system that makes the players. We only should bring in players because they fit and will improve the system not because they have a big name or reputation. Arsenal are stockpiled with future talent, all technically gifted and being trained to fit in. Everyone is saying we need experience which usually translates to old. Gallas and Gilberto are our oldest and most experienced players. Would anybody cry if they were to leave. Arsenal are the most watchable and exciting team in the World and if they dont win next year I dont really care as long as they serve up the quality football we know and love. Do we really want to go back to “boring Arsenal” just to win a trophy. Just wait, the young guns will eventually rule the World.
June 25, 2008 at 10:19 am
spot on arsenal tom n guyz seeing y’all wanting to sell ADE z worrying he scored FUCKIN 30 GOALS n now u wanna let him go. i think thats TOTAL CRAP
June 25, 2008 at 10:23 am
n guy how abt 4-2-3-1
almunia
sagna toure gallas clichy
denilson gilberto
walcot/rosicky cesc rvp/nasri
ADE
June 25, 2008 at 10:32 am
Milan say they are £3m off reaching an agreement with Arsenal over Adebayor.
If he does go I’d like to see Bendtner promoted, but what do we spend that cash on ?
June 25, 2008 at 10:38 am
Anyone else think Arsene’s comment about wishing he’d found Arshavin when he was 21-22 means he has ruled him out as being too old??
Its not because the transfer fee is too high as Zenit & Arshavin have an agreement, so that comment can only relate to his age now being a concern.
Wenger won’t buy players in their prime because it means that don’t have a great resale value. He only wants kids that can effectively play badly for 3 years but yet he can still make a profit on them.
June 25, 2008 at 10:43 am
ken1 - IMHO that set would not work, firstly as we have not yet signed nasri
also, and sadly, Gilberto will not be a ‘main player’ and Denilson is just not good enough
i am not keen on the one up front either, i hope we get back to our speedy type of play, i know cesc is not so quick, but his vision for a pass makes up for it. Theo’s pace will be a big factor IMHO - I think he will blow us all away
2 more pre season friendlies…
June 25, 2008 at 10:43 am
So would I Squirrel. Maybe AW does as well, which is why he would listen to offers.
June 25, 2008 at 10:43 am
pls.pls.pls.pls.pls don’t let ade go, i hate our team changing every year i want one ARSENAL!!!!
June 25, 2008 at 10:48 am
GAEL CLICHY IS A HERO:
I told my agents that I did not want to talk about anything because my goal was to stay at Arsenal.
“I knew that there were two or three clubs interested in me but they did not tell me the names.
“I know that there were all the big Italian clubs but these are not things that interest me.
“In my head it was always clear: I wanted to stay at Arsenal so I did not have to look any further or to wonder who wanted me.
“It happened fairly quickly, at the end of the season I told them what I wanted, they were in agreement and the coach supported me.
“I gave them a guarantee of confidence. I am super happy. I hope that we can continue like this for another few years.
“It is just an extension of two years, so it binds me to the club for four years, so if I go to the end of my contract, it will be eight years that I will be at Arsenal.
“If everything goes well, I hope I can fulfil my contract. Once again, I really think that we can do great things with this team.
“That’s why I wanted to stay there in order to help my club to move forward and start winning trophies this year.”
June 25, 2008 at 10:48 am
Squirrel & Big R - Do you both really rate Nik that high? I am struggling to be;lieve he will be as good as we thought… But Hey
June 25, 2008 at 10:48 am
Thiago Neves Augusto, is the man we want he is a left winger and have fantastic shot. he is often compared with pavel nedved, he is 23 years, and today he is playing in the final of cup libertadores!!!
June 25, 2008 at 10:49 am
Sneijder - rules out a move from RM.. from the horses mouth, oh, via SSNs
June 25, 2008 at 10:50 am
Oliver Lewin (Arsenal fan) says…
As a close friend of Pat Rice, through family i have gathered from him that Arsenal will try to land the spanish international David Silva for a fee around £15.5million within the next two weeks.
Posted 02:44 25th June 2008
June 25, 2008 at 10:54 am
Morning all.
I don’t think Wenger will sign Ashavin because he a bit old and he always likes to sign players who can improve as it means Wenger can look like he is a genius and we can make a profit when we sell them.
The thing I don’t understand is how we can find a schoolboy in the middle of Africa, but someone who has been playing for russia for six years Wenger did not see him..
June 25, 2008 at 10:58 am
Bendtner is technically better than Adebayor, he is just lazy.
Adebayor works his socks of and gives 100% every game which is how he gets most of his goals, he never gives up!
I used to watch the games at the underhill and Bendtner was a consistent scorer, he is a natural finisher, and has a good touch-he only needs to improve his mentality and work ethic. I know Wenger rates Bendtner very highly, and we have rejected big bids from bayenr munich and chelsea for him in the past.
June 25, 2008 at 11:02 am
Hello my merry Gooners, long time no see.
Let see what’s happened….oh that’s right….fuck all.
I want to buy Sneijder. The man is 1st class.
Ade can fuck off along with Hleb for all I care. I would love to see Arsenal actually sign someone for once. Fed up of all this waiting.
We’ve missed out on Villa, won’t move for Podolski, won’t get Eto’o, won’t get Arshavin, won’t get ben arfa and won’t sign any defenders. Is it even possible that Arsene would let us start next season with a weaker squad than the one before for the 3rd year in a row?
Sounds ridiculous. If he even dares to trot out the old ‘Clichy signing a new deal and keeping adebayor are the best signings we could’ve made’ like he has in the past I may actually scream and rip my hair out.
Does everyone want ronaldo to move to madrid? I don’t. I want the best players in the prem no matter who they play for. Except spurs. I want all their players to fuck off abroad and their entire club to be swallowed up into the ever gaping shit hole that is edmonton and tottenham.
June 25, 2008 at 11:03 am
david, your spot on.
How could we miss a big talent like Arshavin, he hasn’t just suddenly become good.
He has been good for several years, he has won russian player of the year awards-I don’t understand how the russian leagues biggest player could escape so many clubs attention?
June 25, 2008 at 11:06 am
If we promote Bendtner, we are relying a 20 year old, a player who has made 55 starts in 4 years, a man coming back from a serious injury who wasn’t quite up to scratch before the injury and three winger/centre forwards who are still in there teens.
We will not win anything unless we keep Ade or replace Ade.
June 25, 2008 at 11:24 am
My prediction is that if Wenger sells both Ade and Hleb he will replace them with experienced options that will cost far less than the fees recieved for the pair. He will then use the additional funds to perhaps increase others wages and help finance the new players wages. Maybe he’s done that already with Clichy, Sagna & Fabregas all on better terms. This would be typically a Wenger type of stroke thus saving him using any of this years transfer budget yet again.
June 25, 2008 at 11:24 am
Nasri’s gone cold and that would leave a hole for a proven goalscorer, but what if he doesn’t?
are you saying narsi is a proven scorer pedro ? i think he scorer 6 goals the whole of last year . he was fan favorite sure , but i would say that puts him in the cesc style mold .
more flair and less back of the net action , from the stats he would make a perfect hleb replacement .. great technical skill… with no , or very little end product .. Lets just hope he adapts quickly and grows quickly into the player we ’should’ be signing this season !
(someone with a experience track record ! )
the next zidane??
ade for 40 million ? FUCK ! if the cunt didnt have an ego problem before, imagine if we still have him come august 15th ! the cunts head wont fit thru the tunnel !
( it was having trouble fitting last season ! )
fuck-nose why
( a bit of aussie slang for george and evo)
I hope ade starts believing he is worth that much , he might turn into a player with skill
finally ..
Hahaha i wont hold my breath however !
June 25, 2008 at 11:30 am
What about we sell Ade and promote Gunnersaurus to striker??..
June 25, 2008 at 11:30 am
Hello groovers. why is everybody not saying anything about that shit Eboue. we need him gone and it wont be bad if we get 5 mil from an Spanish or Italian side , though he deserves to play in a 2nd division Bellarussian side.
Big ups Joy of Cesc
June 25, 2008 at 11:37 am
lol david!
The Nasri deal is as good as done… if we sit around all day waiting for it to happen, then it wont, so we may as well focus n what else we need/want. Unless we hear otherwise, Nasri is an Arsenal player.
Ade for 36-40mil! Sell him dammit!! Buy Villa, Silva, and the iranian goat hearder just to keep Arsene and Eboue happy, and were set for the new season!
Pedro, with the hand of fate we should change it to “If the Spuds finish higher than 4th this season we’ll….”
Or
:if Tottenham sign a player tht actually manages to stay good, then ill…
ect… the signing thing isnt working….
June 25, 2008 at 11:37 am
lesang, the problem with shit players is that nobody wants them.
Look how nobody is interested in Hleb for £15m anymore, he isn’t good value especially when you compare him to Arshavin at £10m.
June 25, 2008 at 11:38 am
sell adebayor and try and find someone to score his 30 goals. great idea! we wont be spending half of we get for him and hleb. and as for playing hardball with barca, why would we want to upset our parent club? after all well want to negotiate a good deal for cesc with them next season. fucking joke.
June 25, 2008 at 11:38 am
I agree with kenyan Gooner. If there are any Arsenal scouts reading this blogg please tell Wenger to invite Dennis Oliech of Auxerre and Mariga of Parma for trials. Oliech is young very fast and a lethal striker and he clearly outclassed Benjani Mwaruwaru of Zimbabwe in the recent African qualifiers game. He likes Arsenal and Wenger can get him for less than 5M pounds and this guy will give Arsenal the results.
TO ALL THOSE ARSENAL SCOUTS….
CALL WENGER AND TELL HIM TO INVITE DENNIS OLIECH FOR TRIALS…
HE WILL NEVER REGRET SIGNING THIS GUY.
His younger brother Kevin Oliech is very lethal and Andrew Oyombe all who play for the kenyan national team.
KUDOS TO ALL YOU ARSENAL FANS……
JUST GOT MY NEW SEASON ARSENAL KIT TODAY WITH MY FAVOURITE PLAYERS NAME FAB4 ON IT.
June 25, 2008 at 11:42 am
Howdy Chaps and Chapesses,
Anything exciting happened in the last 2 hours I need to know?
I just read the fixtures for pre season! Looks like we’ve got some tough warm ups!
So… I read someone talking about Wengers seducing Arshavin… is that the general consensus? Or is he using the Russian as a smoke screen… just like he did with Arfa!
June 25, 2008 at 11:46 am
smokescreen for silva me thinks….
June 25, 2008 at 11:47 am
Gus I hope you’re still there, I agree wholeheartedly, but I feel Wenger (Dr Frankenstein) has created this monster by allowing players their own way, and it all started with Anelka.
Now it appears it’s spreading to other teams, Bentlley, Ronaldo and so on.
June 25, 2008 at 11:50 am
morning/evening lads!
so is it guiza or silvia that is coming now? im confused!
its definitely not arse shavin, just read wengers comments on that!
June 25, 2008 at 11:51 am
bentner has no pace either ade can run the channels and is a threat on a through ball… and what makes u think milan are gonna pay 40m, if you dont think hes worth it why would they??
we dont need to sell him to buy anyone else, and theres no way if we got 40m, we’d spend it all, he’d buy a 10m striker at best… wengers rrecord speaks for itself. the only way we’d sign villa is if he was signed ages ago with a wenger having a plan to sell other people to recoup the money
June 25, 2008 at 11:52 am
Georgian, Thiago Neves looks great. He actually reminds me more of Torres.
June 25, 2008 at 11:58 am
Tom - i bet bendtner would out run you bro! surely you cant say he has no pace, they are 2 of the big men of the league with the most pace!
June 25, 2008 at 12:05 pm
he probably would evo!! then again so would gary lewin!!
but he dont come close to ade for speed!!! i rate bendtner and have to spend hours defending him to my spuds mates who say hes shit but he cant replace ade.
still no news on the prem player wenger mentioned anyone??
June 25, 2008 at 12:06 pm
he cant replace kanu jnr in the season just gone, but he can easily replace him in the coming seasons! nothing like fulfilling your talent for everyone to see!
June 25, 2008 at 12:10 pm
did ade score as much as bendt in his debut season?
i think not
June 25, 2008 at 12:14 pm
haha
check this out!
http://youngguns.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/carlos-at-houston-interntional-airport-holding-arsenal-kitb.jpg
June 25, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Are people knocking Nikki B… where are they… let me at them!
Nikki B started minimal games and scored some crucial goals!
He is still a year younger than Ade was when he joined us. He has skill, a great touch, vision and he is a solid finisher. We have a player in that boy!
June 25, 2008 at 12:17 pm
agreed. what about Bendtners final goal against slavia prague when he played the ball to eboue who did the back heel to play bendtner throu and he made his way past 3-4 defenders to put the ball home, id say that was good skill and a good amount of pace to get past the defence!
June 25, 2008 at 12:17 pm
they r very different, ade is a meanace to defences chasing them down, bendtner hasnt got his engery levels either
June 25, 2008 at 12:19 pm
ade is like flamini…a workhorse….
you mean to say that to be a good striker you have to work your nuts off?
June 25, 2008 at 12:21 pm
how much energy do you want when you’re 20? blokes are literally jumping out of their skin at that age! that cant be a good enough reason bro!
nice vela pic choy!
June 25, 2008 at 12:24 pm
another piece of nasri news…
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25062008/1/nasri-s-gunners-move-draws-closer.html
June 25, 2008 at 12:32 pm
no u dont just have to work hard, but his extra running is an added bonus to his game. i rate nik but i just dont think he can fill ades boots.
ade wont go anyway
June 25, 2008 at 12:34 pm
He has pace… that is myth that he doesn’t! Watch him closely next time…
RvP also has huge amounts of pace… I couldn’t believe he was the second fastest at Euro 2008!
He may have been a bit lazy at times last year (NB)… but I think he soon realised that if he wanted to play, he’d have to pick it up… and he duly did.
He’ll be a different beast next year and I think if Ade goes… we’ll have forgotten about him by next summer (And Barca will be ruing another duff purchase from Arsenal).
June 25, 2008 at 12:36 pm
ade runs a lot coz he loses the ball… so he has to get it back!!!!
June 25, 2008 at 12:41 pm
lol choy, thats spot on. he runs so fast out to his left cause he thinks hes henry, then he forgets he has no left skills and try to cut back in and loses it…
hes definitely way better than kanu snr….
June 25, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Kanu Snr was one of the most skillful players I’ve ever seen… but he just couldn’t stick it in the back of the net!
Still… he scored a lot in his first season for us!
Oh… and when he rents hookers… he makes them wear his Arsenal shirts and bow to him calling him ‘King Kanu’. That was in the NotW! Funny stuff…
June 25, 2008 at 12:47 pm
gold, absolute gold!
my favourite was when kanu snr would take the ball over to the corner and just hold it there with his long legs trying to stop defenders getting the ball, eventually he would stuff it up and they would just take it off him!
June 25, 2008 at 12:51 pm
yeah kanu snr had crazy feet, id like to nik b to suceed and prove allot of people wrong rather than doing an aliadiere!! i also think that despite the web-site being run by a bunch of monkeys they wouldnt be having adebayor week if he was off… surely even our club isnt that stupid! its like having flamini week next week!!
June 25, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Do you remember when he scored that goal against Deportivo La Coruna, at the North Bank End, he sold the keeper such an outrageous dummy that the whole North Bank swayed to the left as well………….priceless!
June 25, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Never underestimate Arsenal, Tom!
Right.. I am going to catch some sun… fuck me… I love the sun! You international Grovers don’t know how lucky you are! England is so damn miserable!
June 25, 2008 at 12:56 pm
DDM… that goal was legendary… along with the Chav hat trick and the goal he scored against Boro…
Vitamin D… here I come!
June 25, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I’m looking forward to seeing Carlos Vela in that shirt next season! I wander if he’ll get much first team action tho or just be used sparingly in the CC?
June 25, 2008 at 1:04 pm
get some rays pedro, or just jump in the microwave…whichever is easier!
June 25, 2008 at 1:07 pm
im away to my bed to catch some zzzzzz’s. hopefully nasri will have signed in the morning and we can focus on next 2-3 signings!
June 25, 2008 at 1:08 pm
catch you all tomorrow lads!
June 25, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Ade for sale on Arse.com..
At the peak of his powers in the Premier League Adebayor was unplayable, intertwining bulldozing power with a fleet-of-foot reminiscent of one Thierry Henry
June 25, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Emmanuel Adebayor’s season in numbers* Appearances 36
Minutes 2931
Goals 24
Assists 3
Yellow Cards 3
Red Cards 0
Clearances 7
Interceptions 1
Passes made 209
Passes completed 127
Tackles made 22
Tackles won 6
Tackles lost 16
Dribbles made 28
Dribbles successful 15
Dribbles unsuccessful 13
Offsides????????????/
June 25, 2008 at 1:30 pm
To the tune of Bob Dylan’s Pissing in the Wind, sorry Blowing in the Wind:
How many blogs must a man read through, before Samir Nasri signs
Yes ‘n’ how many times must Milan up their bid, before Ade says bye-bye
Yes ‘n’ how many kids will the Arsenal buy, before we win the league,
The answer, my friend, only Arsene knows,
The answer is Arsene knows
(to be sung revereentially or ironically depending on one’s persuasion)
June 25, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Offsides per game
Emmanuel Adebayor 1.83
June 25, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Offsides - Emmanuel Adebayor - 66
June 25, 2008 at 1:34 pm
we got a dylan in the house!!!
nice one johan!!
June 25, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Just a quick one as i am on my lunch break…….. Guiza is just paper talk, he’s not really Arsenal’s standard, anybody who saw him play will tell you that, if we are to go for another big ass lanky forward then it’ll better be dam good, Guisa isn’t that so we can safely cross him of the list.
However , If we are to break the bank on somebody , then go for Arse-Shavin, seriously……… this guy is the bees knees!
As play makers go, he’s by far the best i’ve seen in last 12 months and at 27 is in the peak of his carreer!
June 25, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Offsides - Emmanuel Adebayor - 66
wow choy
i thought he only managed 64
IS THAT 1.4 MILLION PER OFFSIDE ??
June 25, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Had anyone seen this on SSN? Does this pave the way for Nasri to go?
Marseille have agreed a deal with Lyon to sign Hatem Ben Arfa after meeting the French champions’ asking price.
Ben Arfa has been a long-term target for Marseille, but the club had been struggling to agree a fee with Lyon.
However, a statement on Marseille’s official website has confirmed an offer has been accepted and Ben Arfa will now undergo a medical.
“An agreement has been reached between Olympique Lyonnais and l’OM for the permanent transfer of Hatem Ben Arfa,” read the statement.
“The player will be in Marseille in the next few hours to undergo the traditional medical checks before signing the contract.”
Earlier on Wednesday, l’OM chairman Pape Diouf expressed his confidence that a deal could be agreed with Lyon.
Reports have suggested that Lyon have been demanding 15million euros (£11.8million) for the 21-year-old France international.
June 25, 2008 at 1:50 pm
BEN ARFA IS MARCELLE PLAYER OFFICIAL, I THINK IT MEANS THAT ALL OF US WANT TO HEAR! SAMIR NASRI IS A GUNNER!!!!
June 25, 2008 at 1:51 pm
11.8 mill For him as well!
Cheap as chips for a player of his calibre!
June 25, 2008 at 1:58 pm
ehhh, is nasri better than ben arfa??????
June 25, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Confused because when United try to get him they stated only in February this year:
“I told Sir Alex that Benzema and Ben Arfa will not leave in the next two years,” Aulas is quoted in The Sun.
“We want to build our future on them.
“If he wants to exchange Cristiano Ronaldo for Ben Arfa we could talk about it, but they would have to also give us a bit of money.”
June 25, 2008 at 1:59 pm
nasri will be done 2day or 2mo then i guess, marsielle must have been delaying it too keep the fans happy
June 25, 2008 at 1:59 pm
hehe ethan.. i knew that you would love that statistic!!!
so samir nasri is our record signing is it?
June 25, 2008 at 2:00 pm
“If he wants to exchange Cristiano Ronaldo for Ben Arfa we could talk about it, but they would have to also give us a bit of money.”
read and learn mr wenger!!!
June 25, 2008 at 2:02 pm
he is learning AT.. ade for 40 mill.. hleb for 19 mill!!!!!!
June 25, 2008 at 2:03 pm
arshavin latest… he should get his own section…
“Barcelona are my dream, I never thought I would have a genuine chance to play for the club,” said Arshavin.
He added: “I have supported Barcelona all my life, let’s see how the situation unfolds. For now I can’t say anything for sure.”
sliva it is then
June 25, 2008 at 2:03 pm
He was voted On French Ligue 1 Young Player of the Year May 2007 ahead of Jimmy Briand Arfa and Karim Benzema. He was voted Marseille’s player of the year by the fans, receiving 62% of the votes. So that goes to show what sort of accolade he has.
June 25, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Gus. It’s a sign of the times! It isn’t just ‘Arsenal’ that’s lost it’s hold on players. All kids today want stuff now and normally get it via credit cards, parents etc: that’s one of the things adding to the ’so called’ cost of living. It’s a process that’s happened in front of your eyes over the last 10+ years.
TH14…………I bet you didn’t say ‘no spuds for us’ when Sol came across or Pat Jennings? Wouldn’t Ledley King be an asset currently assuming he can stay fit of course?
Good post Geoff: just waded my way through it all to catch up!
June 25, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Ade only makes 3.5 successfull passes a game in the best passing side in England. How does that compare to other strikers?
June 25, 2008 at 2:15 pm
I was thinking this Nasri saga has been going on for far too long now but looking back at past reports we’ve been tracking in him since he was 17!
FFS imagine how impatient Arsene Wenger must be feeling to get his signature! Lol
Arsenal are ready to test Marseille’s resolve over their teenage starlet Samir Nasri.
The 17-year-old has emerged on the first team scene this season and has impressed, although he lost his place in Phillipe Troussier’s team towards the end of the season.
Nasri is reported to have become a bit disgruntled with life on the bench and, despite his tender years, is now considering his future.
The playmaker has been trailed by a host of English clubs with Chelsea, Liverpool and Newcastle all keeping tabs on his progress.
However, Arsene Wenger and his French scouts are known to have been impressed with Nasri and are now considering an offer - although they may yet baulk at the asking price which is understood to be in excess of ‚é¼10 million.
June 25, 2008 at 2:26 pm
some stats for our star CESC FABREGAS from the last season:
Total passes and passing accuracy:
>>Fabregas 2318 81.06% Highest in the league
Minutes per chance created:
>>Francesc Fabregas 25.5 Best in the league
Percentage of team assists
>>Francesc Fabregas 23% Highest in the league
Chances created per game:
>>Francesc Fabregas 3.50 Best in the league
Passes per game:
>>Francesc Fabregas 72.44 Best in the league
Most…
Passes in opposition half - Francesc Fabregas - 1690
wow!!!
June 25, 2008 at 2:28 pm
I love FAB!
Remember the chant when he first started playing for us “He’s only 17, he’s better than Roy Keane” Lol
June 25, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Choy, Cesc has 2318 passes and Ade has 209, I know cesc is the best and in midfield but that is a big difference!
June 25, 2008 at 2:31 pm
he needs a new one top_gooner!! lets get thinking!
June 25, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Mmmm now you’ve got me thinking! LOL
June 25, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Didn’t I see stats a month or more ago showing Ade as the quickest in the team over a short distance? He’s obviously got stamina. He’s normally there or there abouts when the crosses come in and he scored 30 odd goals…..
Give him a break; but if he wants out and we’re getting mega funds I’ve no doubts we can get a more skillful replacement and have change to be used elsewhere. It would at least solve the problems in winter 2009 when the African cup come round again, well providing we don’t lose Song, Kolo and Yaya…………………….!
June 25, 2008 at 2:38 pm
How about?
Fabregas! Woah… Fabregas! Woah…
He is so f*****g hard.
He’s better than Gerard.
Fabregas, Fabregas!
June 25, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Marseille have confirmed the signing of Hatem Ben Arfa from Lyon subject to a medical - paving the way for Samir Nasri’s transfer to Arsenal.The French club have not revealed the length of the 21-year-old’s contract nor the transfer fee but his arrival looks likely to mean compatriot Nasri will leave the Stade Velodrome and head for north London.
A statement on the club website read: “An agreement has been reached between Olympique Lyonnais and OM for the permanent transfer of Hatem Ben Arfa.
“The player will be in Marseille in the next few hours to undergo the traditional medical before signing his contract.”
Reports in France suggest the 21-year-old will join OM on a four-year deal, and is seen as a replacement for fellow French youngster Nasri.
Marseille are understood to have been following Ben Arfa for some time, after the forward admitted to being unsettled at the end of last season due to the lack of first-team football at the Stade Gerland.
NASRI SIGNS FOR ARSENAL WILLBE TOMORROWS HEADLINES……
June 25, 2008 at 2:39 pm
lol your second line had me laughing my ass off!!!!
June 25, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Fair play but he has beefed up a lil you must admit from seeing him in recent games for Spain!
June 25, 2008 at 2:42 pm
david.. compared to torres thats better he had 161 passes…
but ade only has 3 assists..
June 25, 2008 at 2:49 pm
So tell me of one striker that doesn’t loose the ball! Wouldn’t knock the guy too much. Not after bagging so many goals last season and is definately improving year on year. In two years time he’ll be the best centre forward in the world! Better than Villa, Torres (everyone’s favourites at the moment it seems), Rooney (waste of space), Drogba (diving cunt), RvP (too injury prone), Benzema (hugely overrated) and any other you want to name. It’s not a coincidence that Milan and Barcelona want the guy so badly, and these teams only settle for quality. Arsenal fans that knock the guy now will be sorry in the future if he goes. As for Hleb, the guys’s got magical skills! Nough said!
June 25, 2008 at 2:50 pm
I see Nasri was at Marseille’s first training session this morning. Not much of a holiday!!
June 25, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Hleb - Magical skills = 11 Goals in Three Years!
June 25, 2008 at 2:51 pm
GMR… lol.. i believe it was a good bye of sorts!
June 25, 2008 at 2:52 pm
patrick i saw that!!
ade’s faster than anyone over 60m… not bad when u think we got, sagna, kolo, clichy and theo in our squad!!!
June 25, 2008 at 2:54 pm
I thought Traore was the fastest?
It’s been quiet on here today… I guess everyone is gearing up for the big match!
Predictions anyone?
June 25, 2008 at 2:55 pm
The world has gone mad…..Slagging off a striker who scored 30 goals in a season for us…. Mental….
June 25, 2008 at 2:55 pm
germany 2- turkey 1
schweindgsgdsdgtertetete and ballack and tuncay!!!
June 25, 2008 at 2:56 pm
matt no one is slagging him off.. we appreciate his efforts and what he has achieved…
but if someone came in with 25mill +… it is bye bye !!!
June 25, 2008 at 2:56 pm
All the talk about Arshavin going to Barca may be true, but do Barca need him?
They have Messi who is the same type of player, could they play with two similar players?
Barca need an out and out striker?
If they want Adebayor and Arshavin, we should go for Messi.
Imagine Messi and Fabregas in the same team……
June 25, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Choy, I did see that but not so sure I believe it. Why risk getting injured & putting the move in jeopardy?? Surely if the deal is as complete as everyone is saying Marseille would have told him to go on holiday, relax & not bother coming back so he can prepare himself.
Looking in it seems the deal is further off than most of us thought!!
June 25, 2008 at 2:58 pm
will you buy me a drink if nasri signs.. i’ll do the same if he doesn’t!!!
June 25, 2008 at 2:59 pm
messi would be the equivalent of our 5 summer transfer budgets… so no chance!
June 25, 2008 at 3:00 pm
arshavin to barca means no hleb for them… pack him off the bayern and get podolski in return… problem solved
June 25, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I will buy all le-grovers a drink if he signs today!
June 25, 2008 at 3:03 pm
I’m not saying he won’t sign though. I just think its further away than most of us thought.
Its been a really frustrating summer so far & it will continue that way until at least 2 new first team players are signed.
June 25, 2008 at 3:04 pm
You have to remember, Nasri will now go on a well deserved holiday before settling housing arrangements with Tatiana Golovin…..What a crock of shite.
June 25, 2008 at 3:05 pm
If Ade is worth 40 mill Euros, that is over 32 mill quid.
Are you saying Messi is worth 200 mill Euros?
If Barca want Ade and Arshavin, we should try and get Messi.
Arshavin is no replacement for Hleb, they are totally different players, Arshavin is a striker/ forward, Hleb is a wide midfielder.
June 25, 2008 at 3:05 pm
it’s only june… wenger signed diarra on the last day last year..!!!!
we all know how quiet and slow arsenal are!!
June 25, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Pedro, I’d say Russia and Germany in the final as I feel Spain not only worked so hard for their win but if Arshavin does the business of linking their play they’ll be too big and powerful for the Spanish…..similar with the Germans against the Turks with their injuries and suspensions.
The final will be a toss up between the two but then I feel the Russians will have played well in order to get there whereas the Germans have not but are just beginning to peak and have lots of big game players and Jens in goal: enough I feel!
June 25, 2008 at 3:08 pm
mark c… there is no way we are getting messi!!!
June 25, 2008 at 3:09 pm
SSN saying that Valencia are not selling Villa or Silva! Thought they needed the funds because they are strapped for cash!
Valencia are determined to hang on to David Villa and David Silva following the Spanish duo’s impressive Euro 2008 displays.
Villa is currently the top scorer at the European Championship with four goals, while Silva impressed in Spain’s quarter-final win over Italy.
A string of Premier League clubs have been linked with a bid for Villa, with Barcelona and Real Madrid also monitoring the striker.
Silva is also rumoured to be wanted in England, but Valencia president Agustin Morera plans to withstand any interest in his players.
“Our intention is to avoid the departures of our big stars, even if other big clubs want to sign them,” Morera told reporters.
“We know there is interest from many clubs, but our stance is to reject any offers and begin the new season with all the players.”
Great player
Valencia’s technical secretary Juan Sanchez is also confident that predatory striker Villa will still be at the Mestalla when the transfer window closes.
“I have the feeling that, ultimately, he is going to still be here,” Sanchez told AS: “Really.
“A lot has been said about him, but that is normal with such a great player and with what he is doing in the Euros.”
Sanchez also rejected rumours that Valencia have received an offer from Barcelona for Silva following speculation about the playmaker’s future.
He added: “We have heard things about him, but there has been no specific amount on the table, neither from Barcelona nor any other team.”
June 25, 2008 at 3:11 pm
no champions league.. no uefa cup.. it is going to be tough for them to hold onto those two!!
June 25, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Keeebab Sellers 0 Sausage Munchers 3
Ruskies 1 Cesc’s Boys 2 (AET, 1-1 @ 90 Mins)
June 25, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Valencia are just trying the first stages of talking up their value……..
June 25, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Choy, I am not saying we are getting Messi, the point I am making is that barca dont need him and we do.
Get me??
June 25, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Choy,
So if we sell Ade for £25M, who is going to replace him?
Villa?
Your mental - Villa is no better than Eduardo - and couldnt hold the line up front on his own like Ade.
There are not too many strikers out there who could do the job for us that Ade does - so it makes no sense to sell him.
June 25, 2008 at 3:17 pm
sorry mark c.. but barca don’t need messi?
they are building the team around him… just like we are doing so around cesc!!!
June 25, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Matt.. during the invincible era.. did we have a tall striker.. did we have header goals?
Did Man U do the double with a tall striker?
June 25, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Sorry Choy I stopped typing half way through that post.
OK the point I am getting at is Barca dont need Arshavin as they have Messi.
You are right in saying they build the team around Messi.
So my point is Barca dont need Arshavin as they have Messi, however we DO NEED Arshavin.