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	<title>Comments on: 5 to 3 to 1&#8230; Manc hangover continues! Fans defence of Online Gooner Ed</title>
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		<title>By: jamesgillesp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamesgillesp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t agree totally with you..I&#039;m a season ticket holder in the NW corner, and we don&#039;t get any trouble from the stewards this season. I have not sat down in a single minute of any game this whole season and the atmosphere in our very small section of the Emirates is much improved this year. It does seem that a lot less than 8000 people are responsible for ALL of the atmosphere in the stadium. I&#039;m not slagging off anyone, and not club level specifically. I love Gooners, I am one, but it is just dissapointing every game when people don&#039;t join in.Everyone needs to make an effort.

Last year the stewards were very harsh but persistence has meant that people are allowed to keep an atmosphere going. To be honest though when the NW corner is quiet the stadium really is like a library. It is dissapointing, and also seeing fans streaming out with 10 minutes to go at half time and again in the second half against Villa is just bad support. This does happen a lot, much more than ever at Highbury. Part of the problem seems to be that a lot of fans don&#039;t want to get involved in sings and don&#039;t contribute to the atmosphere, and a lot of the stadium doesn&#039;t get back for half time, especially club level, the club have tried to rectify this through their announcing of how long till 2nd half kick off.

Also Pedro, many fans do seem to take pictures of the stadium and match which seems to be partly football tourism. i can see that dedicated fans who don&#039;t get to many games may want to take photos of their first visit to the Grove, but from where I sit I see a frenzy of flashes opposite every time theres a corner. It never happened at Highbury so much.

The old singers are not nessicarily dispersed as it was made clear that there was to be a RedAction section in the NW for the people who really want to create an atmosphere. I&#039;m not saying you aren&#039;t wanting to sing if you didn&#039;t buy a seat there, but I don&#039;t think you can totally argue that the singers are all dispersed.

Also gazza. The reason for the slag off Tottenham is that it seems to get people a bit more active, people around the ground seem more responsive with the &quot;stand up if you hate Tottenham&quot; than &quot;jump up if you&#039;re 1 nil up&quot;!!! 

Jim made a good point:
&quot; i was surprised that the sitting/standing excuse was brought out to explain the lack of atmosphere. I SAT on the North bank every game and there was nearly always a better atmosphere than at the Grove.&quot;

Although I think the article from Online Gooner is extreme, I think that it does make points which are very true.. Highbury was never the loudest stadium in recent years, but it would be nice to see a bit more of a consistent effort from all fans in the Grove, not just one section. Time will tell, it probably is partly a case of &quot;new stadium syndrome&quot;, but there are underlying problems which may not be solved with time.

Anyway, aside from that, we should all be feeling extremely happy after last night!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t agree totally with you..I&#8217;m a season ticket holder in the NW corner, and we don&#8217;t get any trouble from the stewards this season. I have not sat down in a single minute of any game this whole season and the atmosphere in our very small section of the Emirates is much improved this year. It does seem that a lot less than 8000 people are responsible for ALL of the atmosphere in the stadium. I&#8217;m not slagging off anyone, and not club level specifically. I love Gooners, I am one, but it is just dissapointing every game when people don&#8217;t join in.Everyone needs to make an effort.</p>
<p>Last year the stewards were very harsh but persistence has meant that people are allowed to keep an atmosphere going. To be honest though when the NW corner is quiet the stadium really is like a library. It is dissapointing, and also seeing fans streaming out with 10 minutes to go at half time and again in the second half against Villa is just bad support. This does happen a lot, much more than ever at Highbury. Part of the problem seems to be that a lot of fans don&#8217;t want to get involved in sings and don&#8217;t contribute to the atmosphere, and a lot of the stadium doesn&#8217;t get back for half time, especially club level, the club have tried to rectify this through their announcing of how long till 2nd half kick off.</p>
<p>Also Pedro, many fans do seem to take pictures of the stadium and match which seems to be partly football tourism. i can see that dedicated fans who don&#8217;t get to many games may want to take photos of their first visit to the Grove, but from where I sit I see a frenzy of flashes opposite every time theres a corner. It never happened at Highbury so much.</p>
<p>The old singers are not nessicarily dispersed as it was made clear that there was to be a RedAction section in the NW for the people who really want to create an atmosphere. I&#8217;m not saying you aren&#8217;t wanting to sing if you didn&#8217;t buy a seat there, but I don&#8217;t think you can totally argue that the singers are all dispersed.</p>
<p>Also gazza. The reason for the slag off Tottenham is that it seems to get people a bit more active, people around the ground seem more responsive with the &#8220;stand up if you hate Tottenham&#8221; than &#8220;jump up if you&#8217;re 1 nil up&#8221;!!! </p>
<p>Jim made a good point:<br />
&#8221; i was surprised that the sitting/standing excuse was brought out to explain the lack of atmosphere. I SAT on the North bank every game and there was nearly always a better atmosphere than at the Grove.&#8221;</p>
<p>Although I think the article from Online Gooner is extreme, I think that it does make points which are very true.. Highbury was never the loudest stadium in recent years, but it would be nice to see a bit more of a consistent effort from all fans in the Grove, not just one section. Time will tell, it probably is partly a case of &#8220;new stadium syndrome&#8221;, but there are underlying problems which may not be solved with time.</p>
<p>Anyway, aside from that, we should all be feeling extremely happy after last night!!</p>
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		<title>By: gazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another reason why it&#039;s quiet at arsenal matches.
i &#039;ve spoken to many mates of mine at the grove. there seems to be an agreement that the afc songs are predictable and, simply, boring.
playing milan? let&#039;s slag off those twats down the lane.
&#039;and it&#039;s arsenal, arsenal fc&#039; . . . i agree with the sentiment but everyone has their own version, it&#039;s hardly ours.
&#039;arsene, arsene, give us a wave&#039; . . . you can tell he&#039;s bored stupid with it.
all the chants are tired.
songs aside, it doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s up the local with a pint or at the grove, what wenger has done with afc on the outlay he&#039;s (chosen to?) had, marks him as a genius and the players -- all of them -- as exceptional. look at the table and remember your aspirations last august.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another reason why it&#8217;s quiet at arsenal matches.<br />
i &#8216;ve spoken to many mates of mine at the grove. there seems to be an agreement that the afc songs are predictable and, simply, boring.<br />
playing milan? let&#8217;s slag off those twats down the lane.<br />
&#8216;and it&#8217;s arsenal, arsenal fc&#8217; . . . i agree with the sentiment but everyone has their own version, it&#8217;s hardly ours.<br />
&#8216;arsene, arsene, give us a wave&#8217; . . . you can tell he&#8217;s bored stupid with it.<br />
all the chants are tired.<br />
songs aside, it doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s up the local with a pint or at the grove, what wenger has done with afc on the outlay he&#8217;s (chosen to?) had, marks him as a genius and the players &#8212; all of them &#8212; as exceptional. look at the table and remember your aspirations last august.</p>
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		<title>By: Evo in OZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evo in OZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This season is starting to resemble last, but we can reverse it with a win again milan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This season is starting to resemble last, but we can reverse it with a win again milan!</p>
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		<title>By: jimmyfingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 23:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well they&#039;re the first, but sure as hell they won&#039;t be the last to sing that. No doubt Manu fans will follow suit (along with everyone else) in between those lovely songs about Wenger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well they&#8217;re the first, but sure as hell they won&#8217;t be the last to sing that. No doubt Manu fans will follow suit (along with everyone else) in between those lovely songs about Wenger</p>
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		<title>By: Stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its a class issue, unfortunately most football teams have a high percentage of low class low iq numpties that support them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its a class issue, unfortunately most football teams have a high percentage of low class low iq numpties that support them.</p>
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		<title>By: gazzap</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is a horrible song. why would football fans want to sing something like that? I just cannot imagine Arsenal fans singing that to anyone - even to man u and even if we&#039;re pissed up to the eye balls. no class. Villa fans have just gone to the bottom of my estimations. wankers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is a horrible song. why would football fans want to sing something like that? I just cannot imagine Arsenal fans singing that to anyone &#8211; even to man u and even if we&#8217;re pissed up to the eye balls. no class. Villa fans have just gone to the bottom of my estimations. wankers.</p>
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		<title>By: Stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets fuck the league thing off for a couple of days and get right behind the boys for our biggest game since the paris final 2 years ago.

CMOOOOOOOOOOON</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets fuck the league thing off for a couple of days and get right behind the boys for our biggest game since the paris final 2 years ago.</p>
<p>CMOOOOOOOOOOON</p>
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		<title>By: Stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bring on the italians.... cesc, flamster, hleb and ade had one eye on the big game..nothing elevates your status as a top player more than a cracking perfomrnace against the champions of europe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bring on the italians&#8230;. cesc, flamster, hleb and ade had one eye on the big game..nothing elevates your status as a top player more than a cracking perfomrnace against the champions of europe!</p>
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		<title>By: jimmyfingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sick? That&#039;s actually just sad and witless</description>
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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Eduardo used to have silky skills, now he walks like Heather Mills.&quot;

Didn&#039;t you get the text the monday after the incident?

Fucking sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Eduardo used to have silky skills, now he walks like Heather Mills.&#8221;</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you get the text the monday after the incident?</p>
<p>Fucking sick.</p>
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