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		<title>By: geoff</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/03/169/comment-page-1/#comment-2453</link>
		<dc:creator>geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 07:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is precisely my point EVO - Aliadiere was around the first team, not for the odd friendly, but for 9 long years, he loaned him out to Celtic, West Ham and Wollves, then brought him back and paired him with Baptista, he refused to give up on him, and even when Middlesbrough came in, he was reluctant to let him go.

Do you see what I&#039;m saying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is precisely my point EVO &#8211; Aliadiere was around the first team, not for the odd friendly, but for 9 long years, he loaned him out to Celtic, West Ham and Wollves, then brought him back and paired him with Baptista, he refused to give up on him, and even when Middlesbrough came in, he was reluctant to let him go.</p>
<p>Do you see what I&#8217;m saying?</p>
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		<title>By: EVO - OZ</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/03/169/comment-page-1/#comment-2444</link>
		<dc:creator>EVO - OZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it comes down to training games and friendlies, etc that Wenger also uses to assess his team, these games we obviously dont see on TV or at the ground, so maybe we&#039;re forgetting that?

The squad can only be so big for the amount of cash we have at hand to pay them all, so whilst i didnt mind Muamba from some of the games i saw him play, i think Song and others were in front of him, so he had to move on.  

The players definitely rate themselves whether they&#039;re English or not, its just that some speak out more than others.  Another one being Lupoli - i see he has stated today that he made a mistake going to Fiorentina (as he hasnt played a solitary game) - So once again, Wenger knows!

Take our old friend - Aliadiere - didnt he go to West Ham, Celtic and every other club under the sun because he thought he deserved to be no.1 striker, he couldnt even get on the bench for some of the games.  I know he did well in the game against us this season for boro, but i dont see his name up in lights on the top scorers list for the league and boro are definitely in the running for relegation!

I dont see why Connolly should have been given a chance either, however good luck to him.  I think Nordviet being purchased crushed his chances of success, Wenger knows, as he would have purchased a 16 year old and made him reserves captain if he wasnt the next no.1 CB in the league to come through to the Seniors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it comes down to training games and friendlies, etc that Wenger also uses to assess his team, these games we obviously dont see on TV or at the ground, so maybe we&#8217;re forgetting that?</p>
<p>The squad can only be so big for the amount of cash we have at hand to pay them all, so whilst i didnt mind Muamba from some of the games i saw him play, i think Song and others were in front of him, so he had to move on.  </p>
<p>The players definitely rate themselves whether they&#8217;re English or not, its just that some speak out more than others.  Another one being Lupoli &#8211; i see he has stated today that he made a mistake going to Fiorentina (as he hasnt played a solitary game) &#8211; So once again, Wenger knows!</p>
<p>Take our old friend &#8211; Aliadiere &#8211; didnt he go to West Ham, Celtic and every other club under the sun because he thought he deserved to be no.1 striker, he couldnt even get on the bench for some of the games.  I know he did well in the game against us this season for boro, but i dont see his name up in lights on the top scorers list for the league and boro are definitely in the running for relegation!</p>
<p>I dont see why Connolly should have been given a chance either, however good luck to him.  I think Nordviet being purchased crushed his chances of success, Wenger knows, as he would have purchased a 16 year old and made him reserves captain if he wasnt the next no.1 CB in the league to come through to the Seniors!</p>
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		<title>By: jimmyfingers</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/03/169/comment-page-1/#comment-2442</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Geoff has a point, grudgingly. There are players wenger clearly preseveres with that at first don&#039;t appear up to the grade, and not many of them have been English. I say not many because he certainly tried with Jeffers. 

A lot has been said about the English players presently coming though the ranks. Think we should wait and see if they get given a good chance. If not then I may start to subscribe to Geoff&#039;s point of view more.

If the English players aren&#039;t good enough then fair play, but at least show us by starting them more</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Geoff has a point, grudgingly. There are players wenger clearly preseveres with that at first don&#8217;t appear up to the grade, and not many of them have been English. I say not many because he certainly tried with Jeffers. </p>
<p>A lot has been said about the English players presently coming though the ranks. Think we should wait and see if they get given a good chance. If not then I may start to subscribe to Geoff&#8217;s point of view more.</p>
<p>If the English players aren&#8217;t good enough then fair play, but at least show us by starting them more</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Goonah</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/03/169/comment-page-1/#comment-2438</link>
		<dc:creator>Yankee Goonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what your saying, is if you are shit you shouldn&#039;t be here regardless? That cool then because I think that Song is shite and I think Senderos is poor too. But they both play for their national teams, so who am i to judge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what your saying, is if you are shit you shouldn&#8217;t be here regardless? That cool then because I think that Song is shite and I think Senderos is poor too. But they both play for their national teams, so who am i to judge!</p>
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		<title>By: geoff</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/03/169/comment-page-1/#comment-2437</link>
		<dc:creator>geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yankee, you need to read my email, properly. I&#039;m not suggesting we don&#039;t buy the best, that&#039;s why I said Messi, Quaresma and potentially Benzema, Song was shit when he arrived as was Flamini, but Wenger gave them a go, Connolly nor Muamba got any sort of chance, that&#039;s my point.

Song wasn&#039;t a Messi, he was very ordinary, but he has had chance after chance after chance, all I&#039;m saying is why didn&#039;t Muamba or Connolly.

If they were crap, they shouldn&#039;t have been at Arsenal for so long.

I personally don&#039;t give a rats arse what nationality they are, I merely asked why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yankee, you need to read my email, properly. I&#8217;m not suggesting we don&#8217;t buy the best, that&#8217;s why I said Messi, Quaresma and potentially Benzema, Song was shit when he arrived as was Flamini, but Wenger gave them a go, Connolly nor Muamba got any sort of chance, that&#8217;s my point.</p>
<p>Song wasn&#8217;t a Messi, he was very ordinary, but he has had chance after chance after chance, all I&#8217;m saying is why didn&#8217;t Muamba or Connolly.</p>
<p>If they were crap, they shouldn&#8217;t have been at Arsenal for so long.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t give a rats arse what nationality they are, I merely asked why?</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Goonah</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/03/169/comment-page-1/#comment-2435</link>
		<dc:creator>Yankee Goonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerrea Gilbert has since been kicked out of two clubs for a bad attitude? He may have looked ok when he came in but he has plenty of competition.

Have you guys ever thought that maybe he didn&#039;t persevere with the English players because they were bad players? If he is persevering with players like Senderos over Connelly, don&#039;t you think that means that Connelly would be doing a poorer job? 

Wenger doesn&#039;t have to show us that he would do a worse job does he? That why he is the manager and we are mere spectators. I don&#039;t want to see Connelly come in and cost us a game to justify himself as a poor player, I spent most of last season watching Hoyte do that.

Muamba should have taken a leaf out of Flamini&#039;s book. Stay and fight for your position if you think you are good enough. Who&#039;s position was he going to take? Perhaps if he&#039;d stuck it out we wouldn&#039;t have bought Lassana? Does he look better than Diaby now he&#039;s at Birmingham? No way.

Have you guys ever watched Connelly? Because you sound like Connelly&#039;s biggest fans, I&#039;d like to know what you can see that Arsene can&#039;t?

Geoff, I have heard you talking about purchasing Benzema (20), Quaresma (24) and Messi (19). If they came in they would be stifling English players especially Theo (Another English guy not doing it) for years to come. How can you champion the purchase of young superstars who would be around for ten years, then moan when we ship out youngsters who are a) Probably not good enough and b) Don&#039;t want to stay past 20 to fight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerrea Gilbert has since been kicked out of two clubs for a bad attitude? He may have looked ok when he came in but he has plenty of competition.</p>
<p>Have you guys ever thought that maybe he didn&#8217;t persevere with the English players because they were bad players? If he is persevering with players like Senderos over Connelly, don&#8217;t you think that means that Connelly would be doing a poorer job? </p>
<p>Wenger doesn&#8217;t have to show us that he would do a worse job does he? That why he is the manager and we are mere spectators. I don&#8217;t want to see Connelly come in and cost us a game to justify himself as a poor player, I spent most of last season watching Hoyte do that.</p>
<p>Muamba should have taken a leaf out of Flamini&#8217;s book. Stay and fight for your position if you think you are good enough. Who&#8217;s position was he going to take? Perhaps if he&#8217;d stuck it out we wouldn&#8217;t have bought Lassana? Does he look better than Diaby now he&#8217;s at Birmingham? No way.</p>
<p>Have you guys ever watched Connelly? Because you sound like Connelly&#8217;s biggest fans, I&#8217;d like to know what you can see that Arsene can&#8217;t?</p>
<p>Geoff, I have heard you talking about purchasing Benzema (20), Quaresma (24) and Messi (19). If they came in they would be stifling English players especially Theo (Another English guy not doing it) for years to come. How can you champion the purchase of young superstars who would be around for ten years, then moan when we ship out youngsters who are a) Probably not good enough and b) Don&#8217;t want to stay past 20 to fight?</p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/03/169/comment-page-1/#comment-2433</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, true, no chance for English players but tons of chances for foreigners. Craps like Djourou and Senderos are still in but like an English prospect comes and he&#039;s quickly disposed of for peanuts.

 When not sold they continuously bring in young foreigners to stifle their development. Why Connolly is not being entertained? Arsene brought in Haarvard Nortveld, a 17 year old Norwegian so Connolly has to go.

Gibbs, Randall, Lansbury are all being prepared for sale in their place will be Africans, South Americans etc.

Arsene worked with Monaco before moving to Japan and I don&#039;t know if Monaco and Japanese sports offiials would have agreed for him to have a team of XI all foreigners; its not done anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, true, no chance for English players but tons of chances for foreigners. Craps like Djourou and Senderos are still in but like an English prospect comes and he&#8217;s quickly disposed of for peanuts.</p>
<p> When not sold they continuously bring in young foreigners to stifle their development. Why Connolly is not being entertained? Arsene brought in Haarvard Nortveld, a 17 year old Norwegian so Connolly has to go.</p>
<p>Gibbs, Randall, Lansbury are all being prepared for sale in their place will be Africans, South Americans etc.</p>
<p>Arsene worked with Monaco before moving to Japan and I don&#8217;t know if Monaco and Japanese sports offiials would have agreed for him to have a team of XI all foreigners; its not done anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: geoff</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/03/169/comment-page-1/#comment-2429</link>
		<dc:creator>geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are missing my point guys.

It doesn&#039;t matter how good, bad or indifferent the English kids are, the facts speak for themselves.

Two English kids - 1) Muamba - 1 carling cup game 2) Conolley 1 Carling cup game, 1 pre season friendly.

Song - straight into the team from somewhere in Corsica, tons of Premier league games, Carling cups and even Champions league and eventually looks mediocre, he has had a ton of chances.

One last thing, Kerrea Gilbert came in at a crucial time for Lauren, looked great, his reward, banishment to Cardiff, then Southend, no wonder he&#039;s gone off the boil.

Point is we persevere with Jonny foreigner but don&#039;t even give the English kids one premier league game, not one.

Finally how many mistakes has Senderos made eh? at least one howler a match. That&#039;s more than Lehmann did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are missing my point guys.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter how good, bad or indifferent the English kids are, the facts speak for themselves.</p>
<p>Two English kids &#8211; 1) Muamba &#8211; 1 carling cup game 2) Conolley 1 Carling cup game, 1 pre season friendly.</p>
<p>Song &#8211; straight into the team from somewhere in Corsica, tons of Premier league games, Carling cups and even Champions league and eventually looks mediocre, he has had a ton of chances.</p>
<p>One last thing, Kerrea Gilbert came in at a crucial time for Lauren, looked great, his reward, banishment to Cardiff, then Southend, no wonder he&#8217;s gone off the boil.</p>
<p>Point is we persevere with Jonny foreigner but don&#8217;t even give the English kids one premier league game, not one.</p>
<p>Finally how many mistakes has Senderos made eh? at least one howler a match. That&#8217;s more than Lehmann did.</p>
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		<title>By: Bud</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/03/169/comment-page-1/#comment-2428</link>
		<dc:creator>Bud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right grovers, i&#039;m off home now. Going out for an early dinner tonight with the wife and son and like Wenger I too am Xenephobic and wont be eating English......... a nice Indian me thinks !!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right grovers, i&#8217;m off home now. Going out for an early dinner tonight with the wife and son and like Wenger I too am Xenephobic and wont be eating English&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; a nice Indian me thinks !!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/03/169/comment-page-1/#comment-2421</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t pin us getting to the Champs League final on Gilberto acting as the 5th CB! Senderos played well and looked a man mountain of a player that year!

I don&#039;t believe you should worry about how many English players are in the squad, its pretty irrelevant. We have a good crop of them coming through the ranks and this new lot have pedigree, they are getting to the semi&#039;s of World Under 17 championships (don&#039;t quote me on that!)! They are future world beaters unlike the current crop of youngsters. 

Remember that the only reason we don&#039;t have as many English players as the rest is because we get gazumped! Who could we realistically have afforded to sign who is English lately? Would you have taken £8million crouch over RvP, £21 million SWP over Hleb or £28 million Rooney over Adebayor?

A few might pip for Rooney, but in my eyes, Ade is doing just as good a job.

And plenty of players hold on to shirts and get away with it! Terry and Carragher particularly prone to a bit of that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t pin us getting to the Champs League final on Gilberto acting as the 5th CB! Senderos played well and looked a man mountain of a player that year!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe you should worry about how many English players are in the squad, its pretty irrelevant. We have a good crop of them coming through the ranks and this new lot have pedigree, they are getting to the semi&#8217;s of World Under 17 championships (don&#8217;t quote me on that!)! They are future world beaters unlike the current crop of youngsters. </p>
<p>Remember that the only reason we don&#8217;t have as many English players as the rest is because we get gazumped! Who could we realistically have afforded to sign who is English lately? Would you have taken £8million crouch over RvP, £21 million SWP over Hleb or £28 million Rooney over Adebayor?</p>
<p>A few might pip for Rooney, but in my eyes, Ade is doing just as good a job.</p>
<p>And plenty of players hold on to shirts and get away with it! Terry and Carragher particularly prone to a bit of that!</p>
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