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		<title>By: coca-gooner</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/01/wonder-kid-in-potential-wonder-kid-out/#comment-2440</link>
		<dc:creator>coca-gooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a buy back clause is the same as first refusal.clubs sell a player that they are forced to under certain circumstances like bentley who wanted more playing time at a time when pires,lungjberg were at the club.

clauses like this are put in the deals with the buying club which,if any such thing existed in the sale of bentley,will give arsenal the right to match offers or talk to the player about a return  to the arsenal.i sure hope there wasn&#039;t one in bentley&#039;s tho.y? may be your question but stop and think&quot;who the hell will he kick out of the arsenal team?&quot;

and to some of the points made already.l don&#039;t think wenger sets out to sell english players in his team.the simple facts are the most english players are too cocky to wait for their chance and a typical example is bentley.a fair comparison is with rv persie.he is definately better than bentley but was as patient as anyone for his chance.

song has been here for two or more years and after all the abuse from our own corners,he&#039;s still here and finally peaple have seen why wenger brought him here.if connollly is not patient and man enough to wait for his chance,then good luck to him on his journey.we do not have a terry now and i don&#039;t think we will ever need one at this club.

what we have is a soldier in kolo.
with djourou,song,nordveit,gavin hoyte and abu ogogo,we definetely have a new kolo toure coming up in the next few yrs.

long live the gooner family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a buy back clause is the same as first refusal.clubs sell a player that they are forced to under certain circumstances like bentley who wanted more playing time at a time when pires,lungjberg were at the club.</p>
<p>clauses like this are put in the deals with the buying club which,if any such thing existed in the sale of bentley,will give arsenal the right to match offers or talk to the player about a return  to the arsenal.i sure hope there wasn&#8217;t one in bentley&#8217;s tho.y? may be your question but stop and think&#8221;who the hell will he kick out of the arsenal team?&#8221;</p>
<p>and to some of the points made already.l don&#8217;t think wenger sets out to sell english players in his team.the simple facts are the most english players are too cocky to wait for their chance and a typical example is bentley.a fair comparison is with rv persie.he is definately better than bentley but was as patient as anyone for his chance.</p>
<p>song has been here for two or more years and after all the abuse from our own corners,he&#8217;s still here and finally peaple have seen why wenger brought him here.if connollly is not patient and man enough to wait for his chance,then good luck to him on his journey.we do not have a terry now and i don&#8217;t think we will ever need one at this club.</p>
<p>what we have is a soldier in kolo.<br />
with djourou,song,nordveit,gavin hoyte and abu ogogo,we definetely have a new kolo toure coming up in the next few yrs.</p>
<p>long live the gooner family.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/01/wonder-kid-in-potential-wonder-kid-out/#comment-2424</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone please explain a buy back clause? Is it true we have one with Bentley?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone please explain a buy back clause? Is it true we have one with Bentley?</p>
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		<title>By: kixzon</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/01/wonder-kid-in-potential-wonder-kid-out/#comment-2379</link>
		<dc:creator>kixzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harlan,
There are clubs out there who would not even want to consider `Gambling&#039; &amp; `Casino&#039; sponsorship even if they offer big money as they do not want their club to tie up with vice. 
There were debate a few years ago when such tie ups are just starting to heat up. Most people then were concerned about the younger generations of fans &amp; footballers may have their view altered about the vice of gambling. And many clubs at that time do not want to be associated with gambling.

So as you mentioned that Spurs have more sponsorship dough coming from MANSION is really NOT something to brag about. It&#039;s the principles of certain big clubs to reject any association with gambling.

More importantly, due to Arsenal&#039;s prudent transfer activities, this advantage of being sponsored by vice for that extra dough is completely NON EXISTENCE. Remember a certain Darren Bent &amp; how much it cost Spurs to buy him over? 

So as reported by media t&amp; pointed out by Pedro hat Arsenal may, and I repeat may, replace Real as the biggest earners is not completely untrue. What is vital is that Arsenal&#039;s sponsorship or should I say `most BIG clubs&#039; sponsorship is not associated with vice (gambling &amp; casinos).

Probably by now, you should know where Spurs stands &amp; their bragging about being a BIG CLUB is fallen onto deaf ears. Spurs&#039; principles went out the window the moment they associate themselves with Mansion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harlan,<br />
There are clubs out there who would not even want to consider `Gambling&#8217; &amp; `Casino&#8217; sponsorship even if they offer big money as they do not want their club to tie up with vice.<br />
There were debate a few years ago when such tie ups are just starting to heat up. Most people then were concerned about the younger generations of fans &amp; footballers may have their view altered about the vice of gambling. And many clubs at that time do not want to be associated with gambling.</p>
<p>So as you mentioned that Spurs have more sponsorship dough coming from MANSION is really NOT something to brag about. It&#8217;s the principles of certain big clubs to reject any association with gambling.</p>
<p>More importantly, due to Arsenal&#8217;s prudent transfer activities, this advantage of being sponsored by vice for that extra dough is completely NON EXISTENCE. Remember a certain Darren Bent &amp; how much it cost Spurs to buy him over? </p>
<p>So as reported by media t&amp; pointed out by Pedro hat Arsenal may, and I repeat may, replace Real as the biggest earners is not completely untrue. What is vital is that Arsenal&#8217;s sponsorship or should I say `most BIG clubs&#8217; sponsorship is not associated with vice (gambling &amp; casinos).</p>
<p>Probably by now, you should know where Spurs stands &amp; their bragging about being a BIG CLUB is fallen onto deaf ears. Spurs&#8217; principles went out the window the moment they associate themselves with Mansion.</p>
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		<title>By: Veggis</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/01/wonder-kid-in-potential-wonder-kid-out/#comment-2368</link>
		<dc:creator>Veggis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Connoly is off, and we have sold another English talent. A lot of people are unhappy about it, but I am pretty sure that if Wenger thaught that what he saw every day in training, in reserve league games etc was the talent of the new Terry, he Matthew would still be an Arsenal player. Besides, Wenger is very good at having buy back clauses when he does sell young players. 
 As for favouring foreign talent.. I don&#039;t know.. If you think about it, these last few years have not exactly been the glory days of the English national team. Is this because Wenger chooses to buy foreign players? No. I believe there is something fundamentally wrong with the attitude of English players. I know this has been mentioned before, but I don&#039;t think it can be said too many times. It seems that ones an english player gets picked up by one of the big teams, he is a superstar already. It seemingly doesn&#039;t matter what kind of performances they put it; they are a part of a very big club and therefor they get money thrown at them. How often are there scandals involving african or french footballers? I&#039;m sure they exist, but they are far outweighed by those &quot;enjoyed&quot; by their english colleagues. 
 Besides, for all the leadership abilities apparantley shown by Connolly (must admit I do not know much about him as I have never seen him play), he was not elected captain of the reserves. That honour is currently enjoyed by a Norwegian defender named Nordtveit. Now there is a name to start looking for in the coming months! He has been injured for a while now, but hopefully he is not to far away.

And at Arsenal, it is not enough to be good, you have to be great or brilliant. It is not enough to be John Terry, you have to be able to pass the ball. The very basic technique must be able to rival that of most midfielders in the Premiership even for defenders! Wenger it seems prides himself on creating a unity; when they employ the kind of football they, everyone must be able to take part in that. Maybe Connolly didn&#039;t have sufficient qualities in that department? I don&#039;t know.. I just know that after seeing what the team is able to do after the transfer dealings of recent years I have only one thought; God bless Arsene Wenger, and God bless the mighty Gunners!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Connoly is off, and we have sold another English talent. A lot of people are unhappy about it, but I am pretty sure that if Wenger thaught that what he saw every day in training, in reserve league games etc was the talent of the new Terry, he Matthew would still be an Arsenal player. Besides, Wenger is very good at having buy back clauses when he does sell young players.<br />
 As for favouring foreign talent.. I don&#8217;t know.. If you think about it, these last few years have not exactly been the glory days of the English national team. Is this because Wenger chooses to buy foreign players? No. I believe there is something fundamentally wrong with the attitude of English players. I know this has been mentioned before, but I don&#8217;t think it can be said too many times. It seems that ones an english player gets picked up by one of the big teams, he is a superstar already. It seemingly doesn&#8217;t matter what kind of performances they put it; they are a part of a very big club and therefor they get money thrown at them. How often are there scandals involving african or french footballers? I&#8217;m sure they exist, but they are far outweighed by those &#8220;enjoyed&#8221; by their english colleagues.<br />
 Besides, for all the leadership abilities apparantley shown by Connolly (must admit I do not know much about him as I have never seen him play), he was not elected captain of the reserves. That honour is currently enjoyed by a Norwegian defender named Nordtveit. Now there is a name to start looking for in the coming months! He has been injured for a while now, but hopefully he is not to far away.</p>
<p>And at Arsenal, it is not enough to be good, you have to be great or brilliant. It is not enough to be John Terry, you have to be able to pass the ball. The very basic technique must be able to rival that of most midfielders in the Premiership even for defenders! Wenger it seems prides himself on creating a unity; when they employ the kind of football they, everyone must be able to take part in that. Maybe Connolly didn&#8217;t have sufficient qualities in that department? I don&#8217;t know.. I just know that after seeing what the team is able to do after the transfer dealings of recent years I have only one thought; God bless Arsene Wenger, and God bless the mighty Gunners!</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/01/wonder-kid-in-potential-wonder-kid-out/#comment-2367</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harlan, I fully agree with you on Senderos. I don&#039;t think he has been great this year, or last but he was pretty good in the run up to the Champions League final wasn&#039;t he (A point I like to flog as well Evo)? I think Wenger is seeing if he can reignite that form. JD was solid for us last season as well. I like the look of him, and you are probably right about Eboue.

I just don&#039;t think Connelly should have been given a chance if he wasn&#039;t good enough, but you can read more about my views tomorrow!

Its going to be a good un&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harlan, I fully agree with you on Senderos. I don&#8217;t think he has been great this year, or last but he was pretty good in the run up to the Champions League final wasn&#8217;t he (A point I like to flog as well Evo)? I think Wenger is seeing if he can reignite that form. JD was solid for us last season as well. I like the look of him, and you are probably right about Eboue.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t think Connelly should have been given a chance if he wasn&#8217;t good enough, but you can read more about my views tomorrow!</p>
<p>Its going to be a good un&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: evo</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/01/wonder-kid-in-potential-wonder-kid-out/#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>evo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still cant believe you guys are giving Senderos a hard time, people forget seasons gone by so easily these days.  For the 2nd time, i would like to mention that he played most (if not all) of the 10 games unbeaten in the CL when we made that final in 2006, surely he was ok during those games?  What about that infamous International of the Swiss vs Turkey, i think he did pretty well then (with blood streaming down his head).

Anyway, i give up on that topic!  The next topic we can wipe off the discussion list is Connolly signing with QPR, so no more need to talk about that one!
Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still cant believe you guys are giving Senderos a hard time, people forget seasons gone by so easily these days.  For the 2nd time, i would like to mention that he played most (if not all) of the 10 games unbeaten in the CL when we made that final in 2006, surely he was ok during those games?  What about that infamous International of the Swiss vs Turkey, i think he did pretty well then (with blood streaming down his head).</p>
<p>Anyway, i give up on that topic!  The next topic we can wipe off the discussion list is Connolly signing with QPR, so no more need to talk about that one!<br />
Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Harlan</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/01/wonder-kid-in-potential-wonder-kid-out/#comment-2354</link>
		<dc:creator>Harlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro

Business disaster I mean because the foreign players rarely promote shirt sales and advert income. Spurs Mansion gets them 8 million and Arsenal&#039;s fly Emirates bring in 6 million. AIG pays MANU 14 million and Chelsea get 7 million from Samsung.

Djourou was a flop at Birmingham and as for Senderos and Eboue I think even Spurs won&#039;t take them yet the mantra is &#039;If you have quality you&#039;ll play for Arsenal&#039; What quality is Senderos  who leaks at least once in every game and yet being held while English prospects are sold every season? Tell me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro</p>
<p>Business disaster I mean because the foreign players rarely promote shirt sales and advert income. Spurs Mansion gets them 8 million and Arsenal&#8217;s fly Emirates bring in 6 million. AIG pays MANU 14 million and Chelsea get 7 million from Samsung.</p>
<p>Djourou was a flop at Birmingham and as for Senderos and Eboue I think even Spurs won&#8217;t take them yet the mantra is &#8216;If you have quality you&#8217;ll play for Arsenal&#8217; What quality is Senderos  who leaks at least once in every game and yet being held while English prospects are sold every season? Tell me?</p>
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		<title>By: kixzon</title>
		<link>http://le-grove.co.uk/2008/01/01/wonder-kid-in-potential-wonder-kid-out/#comment-2350</link>
		<dc:creator>kixzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harlan,
The problem is that England doesn&#039;t play the continental style which is adopted by Arsenal albeit finetuned to compete in Premiership. 

What good does it do if any English players churned out by Arsenal have to reprogram themselves when training with the England national side. And to reprogram themselves when returning to the club side.

The only way to see more English players at Arsenal is when England starts to play with more skill &amp; techniques instead of thunder &amp; blood.

If you think out of the box or view things from various angles, England&#039;s recent failures had little to do with Arsenal cos there are no Arsenal players to be blamed in the first place! The media really need to blame the rest of the 19premiership clubs where their players were involved in the England&#039;s team &amp; embarassment!

It has been 40 long years since a prestigious football trophy landed on its shores. Le Professor was around for the last 10years &amp; the first time Arsenal fielded a 100% foreign players was around 6yrs ago. Obviously the problem with the National Team started some 40 years back &amp; had declined ever since. To blame it on Le Professor for the current standard of England&#039;s football is nonsensical. There are more than 100clubs in all divisions. If talent can&#039;t be found, something must be wrong somewhere.

To rebuild the England Team with skills, techniques &amp; panache, has to start from the very young U12, U16, U18.

There&#039;s little you can change when you&#039;re past a certain age. That&#039;s why Le Professor like to seek young talents with the appropriate skills &amp; techniques &amp; mould them into the Arsenal&#039;s way.

Of course, being educated as an economists, he certainly knew that these young talents are really a value for money rather to compete for established talents with Chelski, MU, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Milans, Juventus etc....etc..
So, why compete &amp; waste money. Why not develop &amp; earn money from all the cash rich clubs? That&#039;s plain prudent. Any clubs will be dying for a manager who is as astute as Le Professor but there aren&#039;t many or should I say...there isn&#039;t any.

Of course, the media may say that he is blind when it comes to local talents. Firstly, there aren&#039;t many local talents around. Secondly, any clubs who owns them would have guarded such diamonds vigorously &amp; to take them away may usually cost a bomb.

Thirdly, if you look at different viewpoint......any local clubs should be glad that Arsenal isn&#039;t barging or fighting for their players. Or you can say....there would one less club to compete for their players as many knew that Arsenal has a worldwide scouting network.

So what&#039;s the problem with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harlan,<br />
The problem is that England doesn&#8217;t play the continental style which is adopted by Arsenal albeit finetuned to compete in Premiership. </p>
<p>What good does it do if any English players churned out by Arsenal have to reprogram themselves when training with the England national side. And to reprogram themselves when returning to the club side.</p>
<p>The only way to see more English players at Arsenal is when England starts to play with more skill &amp; techniques instead of thunder &amp; blood.</p>
<p>If you think out of the box or view things from various angles, England&#8217;s recent failures had little to do with Arsenal cos there are no Arsenal players to be blamed in the first place! The media really need to blame the rest of the 19premiership clubs where their players were involved in the England&#8217;s team &amp; embarassment!</p>
<p>It has been 40 long years since a prestigious football trophy landed on its shores. Le Professor was around for the last 10years &amp; the first time Arsenal fielded a 100% foreign players was around 6yrs ago. Obviously the problem with the National Team started some 40 years back &amp; had declined ever since. To blame it on Le Professor for the current standard of England&#8217;s football is nonsensical. There are more than 100clubs in all divisions. If talent can&#8217;t be found, something must be wrong somewhere.</p>
<p>To rebuild the England Team with skills, techniques &amp; panache, has to start from the very young U12, U16, U18.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s little you can change when you&#8217;re past a certain age. That&#8217;s why Le Professor like to seek young talents with the appropriate skills &amp; techniques &amp; mould them into the Arsenal&#8217;s way.</p>
<p>Of course, being educated as an economists, he certainly knew that these young talents are really a value for money rather to compete for established talents with Chelski, MU, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Milans, Juventus etc&#8230;.etc..<br />
So, why compete &amp; waste money. Why not develop &amp; earn money from all the cash rich clubs? That&#8217;s plain prudent. Any clubs will be dying for a manager who is as astute as Le Professor but there aren&#8217;t many or should I say&#8230;there isn&#8217;t any.</p>
<p>Of course, the media may say that he is blind when it comes to local talents. Firstly, there aren&#8217;t many local talents around. Secondly, any clubs who owns them would have guarded such diamonds vigorously &amp; to take them away may usually cost a bomb.</p>
<p>Thirdly, if you look at different viewpoint&#8230;&#8230;any local clubs should be glad that Arsenal isn&#8217;t barging or fighting for their players. Or you can say&#8230;.there would one less club to compete for their players as many knew that Arsenal has a worldwide scouting network.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the problem with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A business disaster? Have you seen our figures of late? We will replace Madrid as the number on club in the world next year!

We have some great players coming through! Henri Lansbury is the name on everybodys lips at the moment.

Stuart Pearce is hardly the best person to judge a player! I would say the fact that he didn&#039;t get sold to another prem club says a lot about Connolly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A business disaster? Have you seen our figures of late? We will replace Madrid as the number on club in the world next year!</p>
<p>We have some great players coming through! Henri Lansbury is the name on everybodys lips at the moment.</p>
<p>Stuart Pearce is hardly the best person to judge a player! I would say the fact that he didn&#8217;t get sold to another prem club says a lot about Connolly.</p>
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		<title>By: Harlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich

So is Diaby who dribbles everything in sight and loses the ball. Arsene talks about English players coming through, who is coming through? They are selling everybody name them and bringing in every average foreigner in ala Senderos, Haarvard, Sunu, name them. Senderos? Losing us Carling Cup, FA cup match with Blackburn, Servilla and others. Even last game with Blackburn, without Song we would have lost, and yet this guy is being propped up and being given games.

Connolly crap? Is Stuart Pearce so stupid to call him into the U21 team recently? Are you happy with our policy of not shopping for English talents in the Championship and yet having scouts all over the world looking for young foreigners?

In a years time players like Simpson, lansbury, Gibbs, Rhys Murphy and the rest will all be gone, sold. In will come, Mputu, Lucik and the rest. Arsenal will continue to keep players like Eboue, Senderos, Diaby, Diarra because they claim they are better than any English youngster in their position.

The club has now become a trainee ground for future French national team players. You want to play for France team? See Wenger and go to Arsenal. That&#039;s why all French players are rushing here. Its business and public relations disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich</p>
<p>So is Diaby who dribbles everything in sight and loses the ball. Arsene talks about English players coming through, who is coming through? They are selling everybody name them and bringing in every average foreigner in ala Senderos, Haarvard, Sunu, name them. Senderos? Losing us Carling Cup, FA cup match with Blackburn, Servilla and others. Even last game with Blackburn, without Song we would have lost, and yet this guy is being propped up and being given games.</p>
<p>Connolly crap? Is Stuart Pearce so stupid to call him into the U21 team recently? Are you happy with our policy of not shopping for English talents in the Championship and yet having scouts all over the world looking for young foreigners?</p>
<p>In a years time players like Simpson, lansbury, Gibbs, Rhys Murphy and the rest will all be gone, sold. In will come, Mputu, Lucik and the rest. Arsenal will continue to keep players like Eboue, Senderos, Diaby, Diarra because they claim they are better than any English youngster in their position.</p>
<p>The club has now become a trainee ground for future French national team players. You want to play for France team? See Wenger and go to Arsenal. That&#8217;s why all French players are rushing here. Its business and public relations disaster.</p>
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